Senator Dianne Feinstein, Oldest Member of Congress, Dies at 90 (nytimes.com) 386
Senator Dianne Feinstein, the trailblazing Democratic power broker who served in the Senate for 30 years, died on Thursday night, according to a family member. From a report: In recent years, Ms. Feinstein, 90, had suffered from frail health and memory issues that made it difficult for her to function alone and prompted calls for her to step down, which she consistently rejected. Her condition had grown more acute over the past several months, after a bout with shingles that caused serious complications, including a case of encephalitis, and prompted her to begin using a wheelchair in the halls of the Capitol.
Ms. Feinstein's long and very public decline shed a spotlight on the advanced age of members of Congress and particularly the Senate, where many continue to serve long after retirement age. On Capitol Hill, where the Senate is racing to pass a temporary spending bill to avert a government shutdown at midnight on Saturday, her absence was unlikely to have an immediate impact. Her vote had not been expected to be determinative for passing that measure, which has broad bipartisan backing.
Ms. Feinstein's long and very public decline shed a spotlight on the advanced age of members of Congress and particularly the Senate, where many continue to serve long after retirement age. On Capitol Hill, where the Senate is racing to pass a temporary spending bill to avert a government shutdown at midnight on Saturday, her absence was unlikely to have an immediate impact. Her vote had not been expected to be determinative for passing that measure, which has broad bipartisan backing.
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government shutdown stoppage vote may not happen in time now even if they hammer out an deal
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"Most of the boomer politicians hid their money laundering crimes in Ukraine so it's an existential fight for both."
Nice mix of agism and both-sidesism. Funny thing is you don't think you're part of the problem.
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Having an opinion is a big problem with democracy, I understand.
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Having uninformed or false opinions are indeed a threat to democracy. As was demonstrated on January 6th
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They occupied the building with the intent of interfering with peaceful succession of the republic's chief executive. Once loyalty to the person of the Chief Executive outweighs loyalty to the constitutional restraints put on him, the "federal" nature of the system would be come a legal fiction. It's happened before.
Calling something "federal" isn't a magic shield. The *Imperial* legions of Rome carried a banner with "SQPR" on it, meaning the Senate and People of Rome. Imperial Rome maintained it's republican institutions long after it had become a complete dictatorship. The Curiate Assembly, Centuriate Assembly, Plebian Council, Tribal Assembly and other institutions of democratic government all continued to meet, but that was purely symbolic because all their actual powers were stripped.
That is how you lose republican government. You maintain the forms but fail to defend the substance.
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God doesn't exist.
A biological male can't be a woman.
There are important differences between those two opinions:
- One is entirely personal, the other is determined by consensus (if a biological male can be a woman, by the majority opinion, then a black biological male, for example, could have been elected to be the first black woman as a SCOTUS justice)
- One is determined statistically: "biological", "male", "woman" are all determined by how many times the terms have been used since their introduction to th
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Most of the boomer politicians hid their money laundering crimes in Ukraine so it's an existential fight for both.
Ahh yes, that is what the people of Ukraine are fighting for, to keep that money safe.
Sometimes you have to play the game so, got a source for that?
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The fact that you cannot speak against our involved without people quickly attacking you are a Russian agent shows how little discourse people are comfortable having with this topic.
Some of the people (not bill mcgonigle [slashdot.org], to be clear) are Russian agents/bots/trolls, or, what the Soviets used to call "useful idiots" [wikipedia.org]
"I don't think we should be paying for this. America first." <-- Possibly not a useful idiot/Russian troll, although, not a good student of history....
"Russia had to invade, because NATO/Nazis/Russian speakers were being genocided" <-- Very probably Russian/IRA [wikipedia.org] troll, possibly just a useful idiot, definitely not someone arguing in good faith
I'll have a discourse with the former. Occasionally you can reach them. The latter are not worth anything but contempt.
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stating that our interest with this is due to political corruption.
And that's his case to prove. The incentives are pretty well aligned for the US to support Ukraine so it's on them to prove the positive claim they are making. I can easily make the case for the US support without having to come up with what are effectively conspiracies.
quickly attacking you are a Russian agent
Sure, its pretty stupid for people to call other "Russian Agents" without evidence, just like making a claim we are helping Ukraine because of "boomers hiding money laundering". That said if you are a person who is very solidly against helping Ukraine you are somewhat de-facto in support of Russia. You can't claim to be "pro-peace" or "anti-war" when you are effectively looking the other way when one nation invades another. Did you support the US invading Iraq?
Sen. Paul has a pretty consist veiw of the US statying out of foreign affairs (I am sure there are a few examples otherwise - I am speaking of overall).
Sure but the blanket concept of "no involvement whatsoever" is consistent but that's all it is. It's otherwise childlike and without and context or nuance. You can be against bad interventions (Iraq, Syria) and still support a nation who is also facing an unlawful invasion.
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https://web1.ky.gov/GenSearch/... [ky.gov]
per his state he is good standing.
Name: Randal H. Paul M.D.
Address: No address available
City, State, Zip: No city available KY 42103
License: 29638
Status: Active Physician
Expiration: 2/29/2024 0:00:00
Practice County: Warren
*Area of Practice: Ophthalmology
Type of Practice: Private Practice
Year Licensed in KY: 6/28/1993 0:00:00
Medical School: Duke University School of Medicine, Durham
Year Graduated: 1988
Board Action: None
https://www.usato [usatoday.com]
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Sen. Paul created his own certification board: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbn... [nbcnews.com]. Then he went on to declare himself certified. He's as corrupt as they come.
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He absolutely has finished the MD AND IS LICENSED.
What he is not, is board-certified by the core certification group: American Board of Ophthalmology
So, yes, he created his own group, called National Board of Ophthalmology, which he, his wife and Dad control. And only a few MDs have done it. All others go with ABO, since NBO IS a sham.
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It's not like Senator Ron Paul took trip to Russia [politico.com] and immediately when he got back took out a full page ad in the New York Times saying the US should get out of NATO. [apnews.com]
Somebody that did something like that should be on some sort of FBI watch list. And probably one at NATO and at INTERPOL.
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Populism vs establishment. Both parties are split (though the Republicans more heavily split) against their traditional opinions versus different things that have sprung up in recent years.
Personally I'd be all for both of them being closer to what they were 20 years ago.
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I miss the days when Republicans considered Russia the bad guys. Now they just spend their days gargling Putin's balls. Regan rolling over in his grave.
Turns out the fear of brown non-Christians was far greater than the fear of nuke-possessing Commie kleptocrats.
Russia is very white & nominally Xtian so much better places with too many derpa-derpa heathens
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Sure that could be the case but we should all be careful when throwing out such claims. I get why Republicans don't support Ukraine; it's politically convienent since Biden and Democrats are in support of it so basic Republican contrarianism and they like Putin as he is a religious despot who they admire, they get a big ol boner for those Russian army propaganda videos showing the "big tough men".
To me it's craven and antithetical to what they claim as their own values but we don't need such an unfounded claim to rationalize their support, much like we don't need one to rationalize why it's in the US interest to support Ukraine.
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https://www.motherjones.com/po... [motherjones.com]
Pretty interesting premise. Giuliana cleared out the old guard Italian mafia so the Russian mafia could move in.
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Man having lived in NYC during the 90's and 9/11 it's still pretty remarkable how far Rudy's brain has apparently melted.
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Speaking of the Russian mafia, if you look at any former Soviet Union state the biggest Oligarchs have ties back to the Russian mafia. They had the means and the readiness to jump into the power and economic vacuum and they are more or less controlling Russia through Putin too.
So yes, a lot of Ukraine is effectively controlled by Russia through the economy. Even before they invaded. This is why Euromaidan was such a big deal in Ukraine (see Ukraine's history around 2013-2014). It was a direct threat to
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The reason the R's support Russia and not Ukraine is because Ukraine's president rejected ginning up fake crimes on Biden for the former alleged president. The R's were stupid enough to buy the former alleged president's argument back then and they are still stupidly following the same script because he continues to lead his sheep of which the R's are frightened. There's not too much that doesn't frighten the R's at this point.
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What happens if Russia or Belarus enter Lithuania or Poland?
This is actually much more likely if we don't support Ukraine in standing up to Russian aggression.
Supporting Ukraine now is the best way to avoid putting American lives at risk in the future.
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Is Ukraine's 2013 border integrity worth the lives of your sons and daughters?
It's actually 1991 border that Russia also agreed to, but considering no American soldiers are on the battlefield and the US has no commitment to that that's just speculation.
What happens if Russia or Belarus enter Lithuania or Poland?
NATO Article 5 is called which is exactly why Russia is invading Ukraine and not any of those countries.
bombarded with media pundit predictions that Trump would lead us into WWIII. Where is all that concern now?
What's this got to do with fucking anything at all related to what is actually happening in Ukraine?
Is a hot war with Russia okay now because the orange monster won't be the one who triggered it?
If Russia invades a NATO country then the US is in a war regardless of who the President is. What is even your point other than you have gripes about the media? Do you have anything useful to say about the actual situation and not your feelings?
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I get why Republicans don't support Ukraine
Maybe Republicans remember Vietnam and don't want to be drawn into a shooting war to defend Ukraine.
Except Republicans are more likely than Democrats to think the US should have gone into Vietnam [cbsnews.com].
Is Ukraine's 2013 border integrity worth the lives of your sons and daughters?
Fortunately that's not a question Americans have to answer. However, Ukrainians certainly think it's worth their lives and I'm happy to support their decision (though hopefully they won't need to pay). And it's not just a border, the people living on the wrong side of that border are subject to Russian occupation and Russification, which is pretty nasty.
What happens if Russia or Belarus enter Lithuania or Poland?
We go. "Holy shit, we really should have drawn a harder line back in 2014". But Russia's experience in Ukraine is making that very unlikely. On the other hand, if we'd followed your advice and Ukraine did fall those might be next on the menu. They certainly would be if Trump had succeeded in dismantling NATO.
Between 2016 and 2020, we were constantly bombarded with media pundit predictions that Trump would lead us into WWIII. Where is all that concern now? Is a hot war with Russia okay now because the orange monster won't be the one who triggered it?
That was a legitimate concern, and still would be if he got back in power.
The problem with Trump wasn't hawk vs dove, it was his brinksmanship and kneejerk reactions. There's a balance between not seeking war (ie, 2003 invasion of Iraq) and the use of military power to deter war (NATO). Supporting Ukraine is definitely towards the latter.
And Trump nearly triggered wars with North Korea and Iran, and in the case of Iran a planeload of innocents actually died because of his actions [wikipedia.org].
And yes, I lay Flight 752 at Trump's feet more than the Iranians, the Iran's contribution was a screwup by air defence personnel. But Trump was the one who made the policy decision to escalate tensions with Iran to the point of war. And when you do that people sometimes screw up (shooting down a civilian airliner thinking it's military) and do things that can lead to actual war.
Just imagine if that plane had been full of Americans for some reason, you'd probably have that big war.
As for Russia? If Trump got re-elected he may have dismantled NATO, in which case Russia still invades Ukraine, and it still goes worse than they thought, but Ukraine probably doesn't have the weapons to fight them off and eventually falls.
At which point Russia starts looking at Poland, Estonia, and the other no-longer-NATO countries and you get your big war.
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Sen. Paul has blocked any funding bill that doesn't end the Ukraine war.
My goodness. And how does he propose to do that? Cut off US support - won't end it, it will just make it longer and more drawn out as eventually Ukraine will lose.
The only way I can see the US senate being able to stop the war is if they declare war on Ukraine and start bombing along side the Russians. I think Sen. Rand must be stubby short of a six pack.
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Sen. Paul has blocked any funding bill that doesn't end the Ukraine war.
My goodness. And how does he propose to do that? Cut off US support - won't end it, it will just make it longer and more drawn out as eventually Ukraine will lose. ... I think Sen. Rand must be stubby short of a six pack.
It's odd how, as an ophthalmologist, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) consistently lacks any clear vision of reality. :-)
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Sen. Paul has blocked any funding bill that doesn't end the Ukraine war.
My goodness. And how does he propose to do that? Cut off US support - won't end it, it will just make it longer and more drawn out as eventually Ukraine will lose. ... I think Sen. Rand must be stubby short of a six pack.
It's odd how, as an ophthalmologist, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) consistently lacks any clear vision of reality. :-)
Nice Quote!
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The GOP likes a excuse to kill ruskies but could we be a bit more cost effective in it. Ukraine declares their nation a bombing practice area for the USAF, it would be over in hours.
The weapons the US keeps in storehouses can either time out or be used, Got alot of 1980s soviet tech you want gone, we got that mil surplus as long as the irreplaceable 1980s tech is disa
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All of Europe would be speaking German, goosestepping and saluting a madman's picture on the wall if we didn't assist the allied powers in WW2. How many more would have had to die to fulfill his objective of conquering all of Europe?
I served both during and after the Cold War. I really don't want to see the rebirth of the Soviet Union (or anything like it) again - clearly, it's Putin's aim. It would be a clear threat to the world.
I would just prefer it if the world powers would just learn to get along and behave like civilized people.
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There's a huge difference between militarily forcing membership into an organization and nations willingly joining.
Not to mention that NATO is a defensive organization. The only reason for Russia to fear nations joining NATO (again - WILLINGLY) if they don't wish those countries to be able to defend against potential military agression.
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No, it would devolve into the bloodiest insurgency in world history. It would make the wars in Afghanistan by both the US and the Soviets look like a walk in the park. Ukraine is fucking huge, and would still retain land borders with friendly nations.
And no, US meddling didn't cause this, Russian corruption and the Soviet legacy caused it, maybe if Russia wasn't so insistent on keeping their empire, and brutalizing Ukrainians for close to a century or longer, they wouldn't be so thoroughly rejected.
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Staying neutral really helped Ukraine in Feb. of 2014.
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Are you saying that it's America's fault Russia invaded Ukraine? Because the war became a war when Russia was too inept to reach Kiev and instead ended up with a broken down convoy. Everything after that point has been the western world choosing to fight on the border between Ukraine and Russia instead of the EU and Russia.
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Makes you wonder why so many countries wanted to get in on a defensive pact against Russian aggression.
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True, without the US "meddling" the Russian army would have already taken over control of Ukraine and possibly moved on to the next country on Putin's list to recreate the USSR.
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"Hell, without the US meddling in the first place it never even would've happened"
Bullshit
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but for some reason the same players are pretending to be concerned about defense spending for the first time ever.
Most traditional Republicans are all for it, but the new era Trump-style Republicans are very isolationist. I'm in my mid-40's and have been a Republican for pretty much all of my adult life, but the current state of the party is all sorts of weird.
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Most of the boomer politicians hid their money laundering crimes in Ukraine so it's an existential fight for both.
What is this? Where is this coming from?
One of my own takeaways from the Panama Papers was that American rich people don't generally stash their money in overseas accounts. Or at least not very much of it. They don't need too, there are plenty of local loopholes for them to exploit. And I also have never heard of Ukraine as being much of a banking hub.
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It won't.
Sen. Paul has blocked any funding bill that doesn't end the Ukraine war.
Most of the boomer politicians hid their money laundering crimes in Ukraine so it's an existential fight for both.
That won't be resolved quickly.
Only Polonium Putin can end the War on Ukraine.
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Right now the GOP is fighting internally between the ones who think the voters will be smart enough to blame them and the ones who think voters are still clueless. Neither side thinks it's wrong to hu
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It won't.
Sen. Paul has blocked any funding bill that doesn't end the Ukraine war.
Most of the boomer politicians hid their money laundering crimes in Ukraine so it's an existential fight for both.
That won't be resolved quickly.
Why people support Ukraine:
1/ They remember that Putin ONLY wanted Crimea and had no other claims and was allowed to have it. He came back for more and will keep doing so till stopped.
2/ They remember Neville Chamberlains "Peace in our time!" proclamation and what came after.
Why do Republicans support Russia/Putin? Trump says to. Why does Trump? Because he sucks up to dictators and other strong men because he is a gamma male.
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Most of the boomer politicians hid their money laundering crimes in Ukraine". cites or it didn't happen. Pointing to the R propaganda is silly at this point.
Died in the saddle, that's the right way to go (Score:4, Insightful)
As sad as we are at these passing, the fact is that death comes to us all. And while there's certainly no need to hasten it, we do have a choice of how we live, right up to the moment.
Going out still in the saddle is the tried and true way. Never a day without working to leave the world better than you found it, as you see it.
We are sad to see you go, Senator, and we thank you for your service.
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Wonderful words. Extremely stupid, but wonderful nevertheless.
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well said.
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At this point the only thing keeping her in the saddle was duct tape.
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Going out still in the saddle is the tried and true way. Never a day without working to leave the world better than you found it, as you see it.
I must disagree. "Going in the saddle" in this case means that she has been a Senator far, far too long. Nothing against her personally, but politicians should not be geriatrics. First, because they are past their intellectual prime. Second, because they are almost certainly out-of-touch with the modern world.
Finally, and most importantly, because no one should be a politician "for life". Be elected, serve a few years, go back to normal life. Politicians cannot effectively represent people they do not und
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Nah. I think people should be ACTIVE till their last days - but that activity shouldn't be work. There needs to come a time when you've done enough and you spend your remaining days living an active life but that activity should be leisure.
Will she step down? (Score:5, Funny)
Do you think this at last will persuade her to step down?
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News for nerds... stuff that matters? (Score:3, Insightful)
Poster child for term limits (Score:5, Insightful)
I say this for Mitch McConnell too. Too many politicians are out of touch with reality and in the pocket of lobbyists.
An elected office shouldn't be a career. Bring your skills to the job for 2 terms, leave gracefully, no pension and then get a real job like the rest of us.
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If anyone dares to defend an incumbent that should have been voted out long ago by making a party line argum
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Yup, before we go using a sledgehammer like term limits to solve what may not even be a solution to what may not even really be a problem let's maybe try and get those 80% of voters who do not participate in primaries to, vote in primaries.
Nearly 80% of Eligible Voters Don’t Participate in Primaries [bipartisanpolicy.org]
So many people complain that we only get "2 choices" when fact is when elections start we usually get 6-12 per party at the outset of very variable political persuasions. Just look at the GOP debate this w
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Of course the concept of a "registered voter" is inherently nuts. It's 2023, we have computers and cell phone networks and the internet. We don't need to pre-register people to vote, it's just a way to make it harder to vote because one party in particular is less likely to win when turnout is higher....
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This is typical of politicians - power hungry, self-serving assholes who will cling to power until their very last breath. She is a shining example of why we need term limits.
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This is typical of politicians - power hungry, self-serving assholes who will cling to power until their very last breath. She is a shining example of why we need term limits.
I agree Feinstein stayed too long but term limits just shift more power to the lobbyists (bad) and party leaders (good and bad).
Some institutional experience isn't a bad thing.
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First pass the post voting system enshrines the two parties to power. If we had approval or ranked choice voting, or some other system that allows preferences and multiple choice for citizens to express their true opinion, we wouldn't be shoehorned into choosing one of two people forced upon us.
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Instinctively, I agree with you.
But...it is fairly clear that our government is so massive and Byzantine in operation that term limits basically just mean you hand power to the unelected Mandarins - the next-down tier of staff like office managers and Deputy-Sub-Chairs that ACTUALLY understand how all the shitty pieces fit together *and* simultaneously would have the only enduring network of personal connections that actually gets things accomplished for good or ill.
You think any of them read their own emai
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I'm sure social media and political discussion boards will be very classy today
So sorry to hear this (Score:3)
So sorry for him. He has been a key in the direction of software development fopr my whole carrer.
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I was VERY much opposed to her extreme anti-2A legislature attempts.
But while I disagreed heavily with her politics, she was a person and I feel for her family and friends at this time. RIP.
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She should have retired long ago honestly. At this point she had no idea where she even was and her aides would simply tell her to say yes or no into the microphone. Get rid of Mitch McConnell too. His brain has rebooted twice now in front of the press. No way in hell that guy could correctly draw the face of a clock.
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Over on this side of the country, Ted Kennedy decided it was better to kick the bucket while in office after he was diagnosed with brain cancer.
Something very very undemocratic about dieing in office on purpose. Term limits, age limits, something. Just needs to be something that won't invite its own set of problems.
Age limits would invite young hyperpartisans to tout how they could stay in there longest. Senators AOC and Ramaswamy, for example.
Term limits in the simplest sense would undercut the purpose of
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Term limits in the simplest sense would undercut the purpose of enforced continuity in the Senate
Set the limit to three terms. 18 years is a lot of continuity.
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Something very very undemocratic about dieing in office on purpose
Not gonna disagree with most of the rest of what you say but the fact that the Governor is about to make the decision for 39 million people is equally undemocratic. She should have fucking retired in 2018 but voters sent her back. You can't blame the broken primary system most States are saddled with, California has a "top two" system, her opponent was a Democrat, and she still trounced him 54/46. I guess the voters made their bed and now they get to lie in it.
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Hehe. When Ted Kennedy dies, Deval Patrick (D) could only choose an interim successor. This was because in 2004, John Kerry (D MA) was running for president. At the time, Massachusetts law allowed the governor, then one Mitt Romney (R) to appoint a successor for the remainder of the full term. In the event Kerry won, the Massachusetts Great and General Court couldn't abide by the idea if a Republican choosing a senator, so they changed the law to force a special election within a few months of a senator lea
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I shudder to think who might be replacing Feinstein.
That's one reason we needed her to step down sooner, so we could work that out timely. Now we're in crisis and this is just another crisis added on top. Once again a democrat refuses to step down at a reasonable time and creates a problem for the other democrats.
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Newsom has gone on record of appointing a "black woman" to replace her. Nevermind qualifications.
Rather racist if you ask me.
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Newsom has gone on record of appointing a "black woman" to replace her. Nevermind qualifications.
Rather racist if you ask me.
Huh? You're suggesting California might not have any black women qualified to be a Senator? And you're calling Newsom racist?
More seriously, the whole point of racism is you're either unfairly disadvantaging one race, or advantaging another. Assisting the disadvantaged side isn't racist, it's combating the effects of racism.
And more to the point, the US has a representative government. If a group is under-represented in government then being a member of that group is actually an important qualification!
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From what I've seen personally from Ocasio-Cortez, Omar and Boebert, these are exceptionally smart people who know exactly how to play the political game and play it well.
Hate the game, not the player.
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Funny how you explicitly left one clearly cognitively impaired person off the list. The person who said Washington and his troops took over airports [time.com] during the Revolutionary War. The one who said President Biden is leading us into World War II [newsweek.com]. How we have to protect Edison and the people who came up with the wheel [cnn.com]. The person who had this rambling, nonsensical comment when asked what he would do in Ukraine [snopes.com].
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Re:Posting an an epic thread (Score:5, Informative)
I just read that article, and other than the inflammatory headline, there was nothing in it that could be interpreted as "flexing on some little kids". She did, however, say some things that were objectively true, whether you like it or not.
Note that Fienstein's death doesn't make the passage of any "green new deal" any more likely in the Senate, so dance on a grave all you want, you didn't get anything other than a hatred boner.
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Senator Dianne Feinstein was a prominent figure. Her passing is a loss for California and the country as a whole.
What is sad is what became prominent in the end and could very well define her more than anything; an inability to retire with grace.
More than one reason we need term limits. And more support for what should be more obvious as an addiction problem.
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She should have retired years ago. She has been a problem for many years now. She has always been on the wrong side of law enforcement access to encrypted things. Not much of a loss in 2023.
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As far as I remember, she was quoted by likes of EFF as one of the key threats to privacy online. She was often a sponsor or even behind writing legislation that enabled more intrusive spying on people.
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How did that Clipper Chip work out?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
There is a wrong side here, and the wrong side is the side that wants to break all locks. Should the government have master keys to all locks? No!
I'm familiar with Feinstein's position here, we've debated it over email - I wrote my representative several times. She always refused to acknowledge the opinion of crypto experts like Bruce Schneier, willfully turning a blind eye to the inability of technology to meet some ridiculous two-key demand, where keys are always and only used by the intended party.
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We have lessons from history that help us determine right and wrong. If I encrypt my files I have taken nothing away from law enforcement.
https://law.justia.com/constit... [justia.com]
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
See, we already have laws and maybe we should understand them before we replace them with an all-access pass to modern communication.
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No, it's not sad. She was boomer trash who selfishly clung to power far beyond any use, and the people who propped her up weekend at bernie's style are despicable monsters. she ruined her legacy and the Democrats continue to show the strategic acumen of wet pasta and prove they are utterly spineless cowards.
signed, a leftist.
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A Blue puppet
She was a right leaning democrat who regularly went against party line.
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Question is... did she do it because she wanted to, or because she was too senile?
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I imagine that it wasn't about senility, she was just too conservative.
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Based on the voting trackers, she voted annually at least 95% of the time with her party. It's sad that less then 5% is considered regularly.
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She was the most ardent attacker of 2nd amendment rights in Congress - its going to be hard to call her "right leaning".
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But if people would just show up for Primary elections things would get a lot better a lot faster. Barely anyone shows up for them. I've had great candidates in the last 10 years worth of Primaries I've voted in losing out to some more corporate Dems because the only folks that show up are over 60.
It's especially frustrating with those Green Party voters. They could easily swing Democratic primary elections if they'd stop playing games with poin
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What happened to denouncing person's politics but not being glad they died?
I know that person in question was one of those politicians who pushed through it being acceptable to being happy her political opponents die, but it doesn't mean you need to demean yourself by going down to her level.
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There are a few politicians that I look forward to pissing on their graves for what damage they've done and are continuing to do to this nation. Now if you'll forgive me I have some knitting to pick up from my tailor, DeFarge and co.
Remember
"Just say yes."
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That died about the same time grabbing women by the pussy became fashionable.
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What happened to denouncing person's politics but not being glad they died?
I'm not glad she's dead, but I'm glad she is no longer in the Senate.
She should have spent the last 30 years with her grandkids instead of voting for wars and pushing police powers onto America.
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She hasn't been able to effectively do her job for 30 years.
But we're sure that won't stop you from voting for Trump. Because double standards.