Fewer People Moving in California Are Moving Into the State Than Anywhere Else (sfgate.com) 265
America's census bureau looked at how many people relocated into each state from another state, compared to the total number of people making a move in that state. The state with the lowest "inmigration" ratio? California.
From 2021 through 2022, "California's inmigration rate was 11.1% last year..." reports SFGate. "For comparison, nearby Oregon had a inmigration rate of 21%."
But the census bureau cautions that California — America's most populous state — "also had a relatively large base of movers overall" — over 4 million — which could help explain its low ratio in several statistics. SFGate reports: California's outmigration rate — defined as the "number of people moving out of a state as a share of that state's total number of movers" — was also below the national migration average. Texas had the country's lowest outmigration rate, at 11.7%, according to the Census Bureau's analysis.
California and Texas are America's two most populous states. (The total population of California is 39 million — roughly 11.7% of America's population — while Texas has another 30 million. Oregon's population is just 4,240,137.) Interestingly, most people moving to California arrived from... Texas. (44,279). At the same time, 102,422 people moved from California to Texas, with another 74,157 moving from California to Arizona.
New York state also lost 91,201 people to Florida, and another 75,103 people to New Jersey. The second-highest number of people (31,225) who moved from a different state to California came from New York...
According to the San Francisco Chronicle, California saw a net loss of 340,000 residents between 2021 and 2022, with most of the people who left heading to Florida or Arizona.
From 2021 through 2022, "California's inmigration rate was 11.1% last year..." reports SFGate. "For comparison, nearby Oregon had a inmigration rate of 21%."
But the census bureau cautions that California — America's most populous state — "also had a relatively large base of movers overall" — over 4 million — which could help explain its low ratio in several statistics. SFGate reports: California's outmigration rate — defined as the "number of people moving out of a state as a share of that state's total number of movers" — was also below the national migration average. Texas had the country's lowest outmigration rate, at 11.7%, according to the Census Bureau's analysis.
California and Texas are America's two most populous states. (The total population of California is 39 million — roughly 11.7% of America's population — while Texas has another 30 million. Oregon's population is just 4,240,137.) Interestingly, most people moving to California arrived from... Texas. (44,279). At the same time, 102,422 people moved from California to Texas, with another 74,157 moving from California to Arizona.
New York state also lost 91,201 people to Florida, and another 75,103 people to New Jersey. The second-highest number of people (31,225) who moved from a different state to California came from New York...
According to the San Francisco Chronicle, California saw a net loss of 340,000 residents between 2021 and 2022, with most of the people who left heading to Florida or Arizona.
Thank you for leaving CA (Score:2)
As someone who grew up in SoCal and watched the freeways turn into parking lots and buildings sprouting up on every empty lot I say thank you for moving elsewhere. I still live in SoCal I just moved out to the desert into a small city. I go back to my old neighborhood in L.A. and even the residential streets are packed with cars. Gentrification is sucking the soul out of little communities. What used to be a ten minute drive from my house in Venice to Santa Monica is almost an hour now the traffic is so
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I certainly hope your happiness can balance out the ever-rising cost of living as you cheer for less taxpayers while California politics feeds a hell of a lot more reasons to need more tax revenue.
Good luck with that in exchange for traffic that went from insanely fucked to moderately fucked. We'll see what win-win looks like in the next few years.
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I certainly hope your happiness can balance out the ever-rising cost of living as you cheer for less taxpayers while California politics feeds a hell of a lot more reasons to need more tax revenue.
Good luck with that in exchange for traffic that went from insanely fucked to moderately fucked. We'll see what win-win looks like in the next few years.
Are you absolutely sure you are so happy about what you perceive as his misfortune? After all, Californians leaving for other states might mean more 'California libruls' in your deep red state back yard.
Californians leaving are doing so for a reason. I do have faith that some have come to their senses about 'librul' policies and mentalities. If not, then they're going to have one hell of a time fitting in a deep red state. Much like CA staying true blue for so long, red states are pretty deeply rooted in their beliefs.
And again, the biggest argument for those leaving their alleged paradise is making them say the quiet part out loud; tell me why you left, and then you can try and convince anyone else tha
Might be a good solution.. (Score:2)
..to the housing shortage
Shortage (Score:2)
There really isn't a housing shortage. There is a shortage of places to live in certain areas. There are plenty of places to live outside of huge cities.
Re:Shortage (Score:5, Insightful)
That's basically the case in the entire world. The cities people want to live in don't have enough housing while the cities people don't (or rural areas) have housing. Reason is pretty obvious
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Wildfires? (Score:3)
The wildfires, the taxes, the traffic... I love visiting parts of CA, but I don't want to (and could not afford to) live there.
Re:Wildfires? (Score:5, Insightful)
After being gone for about a year we visited for a week this last summer. The price increases from only a year before were shocking.
Here, traffic is "there are 5 cars ahead of me at the stop light". And since we don't have horrible forest management problems here, I haven't had to run my air purifiers since leaving there.
I miss the food. That's it.
The taxes are lower than Texas (Score:2, Insightful)
I saw a post from somebody who moved to Texas from washington. They were expecting a libertarian Paradise where they could hunt and shoot and ride their ATVs and do pretty much whatever they wanted. Turns out 95% of the land in Texas worth anything is privately owned and they quickly found that they couldn't do much of anything in the state me
Many are moving to cheaper locations (Score:5, Insightful)
There is a housing shortage that has been ongoing for years, inflation has kicked the crap out of peoples wages, and boomers are retiring and transitioning to fixed incomes. Some people are cashing out their incredibly valuable homes and moving to cheaper states (often times selling to corporations that turn their homes into rentals at inflated prices, which is a whole nother problem). PG&E also managed to burn down a couple of my friends homes. They had to move out of state simply because there was nothing available for them to buy or even rent. That is what you get when an infrastructure provider cheaps out on maintenance in the lowest income area: they burn down all the affordable housing.
Many people still *work* in California though. Remote work has changed the calculus on homeownership for some of my friends. They moved out of state, kept their jobs, and can now afford to buy instead of rent even though they were almost 'low income' here. Oddly, I have seen more than a few move a second time. I had family retire and move to Texas only to move to Oregon after a few years. They couldn't take the bipolar weather. Summers where its 100 percent humidity and 90 degrees at 2 AM, winters where the roads all freeze, storms that come out of nowhere, rattle your house for an hour, and then its sunny and bright an hour after that. I also had friends that moved to Nebraska. They didn't last 2 years before they moved to Colorado to escape the boredom. They are avid outdoors people. Why they thought eastern Nebraska would be a good idea I don't know. A lot of the old folks I know have moved. Some even moved to Mexico for cheaper medical care. Mostly its the same story: costs. Healthcare is expensive, housing is expensive, gasoline is expensive. It all adds up.
I tell you what though, the infrastructure is hugely different in California. I've heard all the complaints of living in flyover states. Terrible roads, no sidewalks/bike lanes, non-existent building codes, non-existent city services, crazy neighbors, you name it. Friends in Tennessee said there was no water, sewer, natural gas or even garbage pickup in the town they moved to (20 minutes form Nashville). Everyone was on septic tanks and wells. As you can imagine, that sometimes caused problems. A few times a month they would load up their truck and drive their garbage into the city for disposal. Some of their neighbors would just burn it in their back yards. Technically illegal but not enforced. Lovely. A family member that was a retired contractor spent over a year trying to find a home in his price range that wasn't, in own words "a deathtrap waiting to catch fire", in the Texas community he wanted to move too.
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Oh yeah. Unregulated and poorly regulated places are awful to live in.
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Don't politics and immigration have direct influence of cost of living? I'm not sure how you extricate those from one another so blithely.
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Oh yeah, everyone's a racist. That's it.
Speaking of that.. (Score:2)
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That flag was created to celebrate white supremacy. The bear of intolerance (yeah really) was there to displace the bull of Spanish cattle raising. Ironic since what we destroyed the Bison for was putting up fences for cattle. We could have had free meat and all it would have taken was to not fence some flyover states.
um, no (Score:3)
The official CA statement is: "The colors and symbols of the flag are: White for purity, Red for courage, the Grizzly Bear to represent strength and independence, and the Red Star to represent the fact that California, like Texas, became a state without ever having been a territory." oh, and the Grizzly bear is the state animal.
As for "white supremacy"...ugh.. that's cheap garbage. California was never a slave state, never segregated along racial lines, has had significant minority populations for its entir
Clickbait steps (Score:2)
2. Find a way to apply hot buzzword to appropriate state in the headline.
3. You're done, you wrote the headline, watch clicks happen and get ad revenue. The "article" can be written by ChatGPT or something for all you care.
Attn Californians: Don't move to Texas (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Attn Californians: Don't move to Texas (Score:4, Insightful)
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I've lived in both and Texas is worse in literally every listed regard.
Friend of mine is looking at moving back from Texas for all those reasons, plus his taxes would actually be lower in California, because he owns a home with a pool.
Texas fucking sucks, there's a reason people have historically wanted to move TO California. Now people are leaving, yes, and it's for real reasons, yes, but they are all about cost. If you want to live in a MAGA enclave those exist in California too, but good luck finding a p
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You just get our rejects.
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You just get our rejects.
...says the sanctuary state.
Meanwhile, that 'loser' Musk will continue laughing along with Rogan at the good riddance of yesteryear.
"Inmigration?" "Outmigration?" (Score:4, Insightful)
I guess that's the state of journalists from Western Washington these days.
English as an only language!
Absolute numbers please (Score:2)
Watch Fox News? (Score:2)
"outmigration"? Are you retarded? (Score:5, Informative)
There's literally an actual word for people that are leaving a region, and its called "emigration".
What the fuck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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The article is about leaving a state--California--not a country.
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Emigration: the act of leaving one's own country to settle permanently in another; moving abroad.
The article is about leaving a state--California--not a country.
Congrats on being stupid enough to think that Google's definition is a one true source for anything. If you're going to correct someone's English it's worth understanding that English words have multiple definitions codified in multiple dictionaries, and that Cambridge (as Google has sourced it) is not a one true source of truth.
Merriam-Webster: "an act or instance of emigrating : departure from a place of abode, natural home, OR country for life or residence elsewhere"
Collins: "to leave one place or countr
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There are literally multiple words for people that are leaving a region and one of them is "outmigration"
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/out-migrate [merriam-webster.com]
None I would move to (Score:2)
I'm curious actually (Score:4, Insightful)
Why is it so important to avoid recognizing that people are leaving California?
There is a general consensus that California is crazy expensive, untenable for any business that had a choice, and has major social problems. Of course people are leaving.
Yet pretty nearly every week there is some news outlet, official study, government pronouncement that Re frames or statistically tap-dances the numbers to try to convince us otherwise. Why?
Immigration could fix this problem (Score:2)
immigrant not missionary (Score:2)
Remember, when you move out of one state to another because you don't like something about the current state you are an immigrant not a missionary. To many people move from one state and then start voting for similar policies they just left.
What fucking palsey wrote that headline? (Score:2)
Christ almighty is Slashdot taking submissions from Indian Tech Support ChatGPT now?
A Subject Easily and Routinely Demagogued (Score:5, Insightful)
The subject of people moving in and out of California has been a popular topic to misrepresent with cherry picked statistics, or even with no data at all. Ever since California turned blue in the 1990s right-wingers have been trumpeting "people fleeing California" even though, for most of this period, the rate at which Caifornians relocated out of state was lower than the national average, and California's population steadily grew.
But things change, and California recently stopped growing for the first time in its history - a major reason is a sharp drop in immigration from Asia during the pandemic, and the general hostility to immigration by the former administration.
One reason why it is easy to misrepresent the issue of "people fleeing California" is that simply due to its size skews lots of statistics. It is hard to have a high rate of anything when about one out of every eight Americans already lives there. This also means there is a very diverse population out of necessity - California is a microcosm of the entire nation to a significant extent - so statistics can easily be misrepresented.
The story line of "middle class fleeing California" citing a gross emigration rate ignores that a large fraction of the people leaving are poor due to the admittedly high cost in the state. The story cannot be squared with the fact that in addition to having a huge population California has one of the highest incomes in the country -- which means it must have a large well off middle class. The problems California has are ones brought about by being extremely successful - high population, high housing costs are driven by people wanting to live there.
The pattern of population flow in California in recent years is something like this - poor people leave the state, also well off retirees leave the state for cheaper locations which makes them relatively even wealthier, but younger education people move in to the state because of the high paying jobs that are there. It is the most popular destination for education foreigner wishing to participate in the job market and economy. it is easy to cherry pick and misrepresent statistical slices to make it sound like some sort of demographic and economic apocalypse is in progress, but that is not the story if you look at the whole picture.
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which means it must have a large well off middle class
Large, yes. Well off? No. And that’s the problem.
My wife’s cousin(-in-law) started fresh out of college at $120,000/year in SV doing basic web development in 2018 or so. He and his wife rented a studio apartment and struggled to make ends meet for the duration of their, admittedly short and unhappy, marriage.
I started at $50,000/year doing full stack dev work in a suburban area in 2011, somewhere other than California. After two years I was able to put 20% down to buy an 1800 sqft home on a thir
Re: Why move there? (Score:3, Insightful)
weather (it's amazing all year), geography (mountains, beaches, desert - all within a short drive of eachother), good universities, good opportunity for artists, government not trying to remove rights to your own body or remove your ability to express your identity or make other laws that protect hate under the guise of saving children. opportunity in general is why California is still worth living in. I've lived in Arizona, midwest, pa/nj. it's not even a contest, ca is a much better quality of life ch
Re: Why move there? (Score:4, Informative)
It's a great state if you're very wealthy or very poor. If you're anywhere from working class to upper middle class, it's brutal.
Yes the weather is great but the government's basic services suck. I paid more to get less there than anywhere else I've lived.
Now I have paved roads, my trash gets picked up 3 times a week, my kid's school is actually teaching her and I don't have to step over human feces in the city. Speaking of which, I hand washed my wife's car today. I'd forgotten how much damage the paint and glass took from driving the 101 every day because it's a dirty broken pot holed mess despite high taxes on everything. My family's cars here don't look like that. Roads are like glass.
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There are more affordable parts of the state. California is highly diverse in its regions, not boring like some states where every part looks like every other part. There are the cities, mountains, hills, valleys, deserts, swamps. Wine country, avocado country, cow country, orange country, almond country, silicon country, marijuana country. Tallest trees in the world, largest trees in the world, oldest trees in the world. In comparison, Texas is just plain boring.
No voice in Cali's lawmaking bodies if east... (Score:2, Interesting)
California has both of its lawmaking arm, elected by popular control. Unlike most states with a senate that gets elected by geographic region, all California's politicians are elected via population. This means that the cities get 100% control of the laws, and if you are east of the palaces of the coastal elites, your only recourse is Federal lawsuits. Especially if you are doing something politically incorrect like having a tree farm.
To boot, you get no amenities, but you have to pay that 11% income tax
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"are just as entitled to live and raise their families in a manner consistent with their principles as people in larger urban communities. "
They are just entitled. You're saying they're MORE entitled.
And you're not just saying that they deserve a bigger say in their own communities, you're saying they should get priority in deciding STATEWIDE decisions.
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I took a drive though California a couple years back. I didn't see any sign of 'affordable parts', prices in even rural areas were as high as city extremes like you'd see in NY and Chicago. The land is beautiful enough... where the people haven't destroyed it. I don't think I've ever been somewhere where the people appeared to have so little regard for the land and at the same time have draconian restrictions on the usage and even a border security checkpoint when entering from other states.
You talk about a
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Anyway, as a well scientifically designed and scientifically awaken and alternate gender person, kindergarten teacher during the day and playing FortNite with kids at night, I say California is a marvelous and wonderful place, especially San Francisco where I live! I would never think of moving anywhere else, especially Texas! Just thinking of moving there right now, I might have serious nightmare tonight and I might have to take a day off from kindergarten teaching tomorrow to go see my doctor so he prescr
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Where is this panacea you speak of?
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Yes the weather is great but the government's basic services suck. I paid more to get less there than anywhere else I've lived.
Sometimes I wonder if the state does anything at all. They'll happily give you a parking ticket for leaving your car in the street when the street sweeper supposedly comes, but I've never seen a street sweeper around here.
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You sure are a stupid parker.
Re: Why move there? (Score:2)
Cupertino gave me a $350 ticket for jaywalking to a Lee's Sandwich.
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I got a parking ticket from a city I haven't been in for 30 years.
(Fortunately, I could prove it wasn't my car, and it was a private contractor handling the tickets, so they weren't as stupid or insane as a government agency would be.)
Re: Why move there? (Score:2)
That private contractor likely tickets a lot of people incorrectly hoping they will just pay it.
The reason they seemed so reasonable is that they don't want you to look to closely at the situation. So when they realize their victims can/will fight back, they quickly apologize profusely for the mistake and clear the ticket.
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You neglected the diverse beauty. Californians seem to appreciate more what we were all born into, too.
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My trash is picked 3 times a week on Tuesday mornings. One truck picks up the regular trash, and kitchen waste (compostable stuff from the kitchen). One truck pick up the recyclables (cardboard, plastics, glass and metal cans). One truck picks the yard wash (grass, leafs, etc...). Maybe that's what 3 times a week mean?
I do live in California.
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I suspect he lives in an apartment complex. Several of those in CA (I live in Los Angeles) have pickups three times per week...
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If you're anywhere from working class to upper middle class, it's brutal.
The killer is the cost of housing. But if you bought a while ago, you're fine. I've lived in the same house for 25 years, and it's worth six times what I paid. But I can't imagine how young people can afford to live here. My daughter could only afford a condo because I paid for 80% of it as an "early inheritance".
my trash gets picked up 3 times a week
Why do you care about that? My trash is picked up once a week. I don't see any advantage of a higher frequency.
I don't have to step over human feces in the city.
The feces are only a problem in LA's tent city and one district of SF. That is 0.00000
Re: Why move there? (Score:4, Informative)
The feces are only a problem in LA's tent city and one district of SF. That is 0.0000001% of California.
No, it's not. It's worse there, but it happens in any urban area to some degree, and it's gotten significantly worse as the state has forced cities to allow homeless drug addicts to do whatever they want, wherever they want, without fear of arrest.
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Re: Why move there? (Score:3)
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my trash gets picked up 3 times a week
WTF are you doing that this is even a requirement for you?
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There's only a shortage of housing. For that, we can safely thank Prop 13 which reduces housing turnover by rewarding people for not selling.
People very much want to move to California, and that desire is reflected in the high cost of housing in the state.
Re: Why move there? (Score:5, Informative)
I was there before prop 13 when old people and others on fixed incomes were getting wiped out by huge property tax increases.
Why do you think the voters put prop 13 in place? It was to make sure the poor could keep their homes.
Without prop 13 only rich people could afford property taxes and everyone else would rent from them. You want that?
Re: Why move there? (Score:4, Insightful)
What does Prop 13 do for someone who is too poor to own a home?
Whether I do or don't, that's exactly what we have now because landlords pay almost nothing in property taxes thanks to Prop 13. Worse, they can raise rents by 10% or more per year, but their property taxes rise by no more than 2% per year, below the normal rate of inflation. It's absolutely insane.
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Worse, they can raise rents by 10% or more per year,
Why is that 'worse'? If I can charge 10% more for something, are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to? Why?
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Why is that 'worse'? If I can charge 10% more for something, are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to? Why?
Because you are an absolute piece of shit. Greedy landlords like you have been the source of so goddamned much suffering throughout history, and the cause of more than a few murderous revolts.
How would YOU like to be barely able to afford rent, then your landlord raises rent why 10%, which you are forced to pay or be on the street? And then they did it again next year? And next year? How is that different from slavery? And don't tell me I can go find different housing, cuz they're all greedy monsters l
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Self preservation. At some point it just gets cheaper to hire a hitman to get rid of you and hope the next landlord is more agreeable.
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If your costs rise by 2% but you can charge 10% more and people will pay it, it's a sign that there's something inefficient about the market [wikipedia.org] that ought to be fixed.
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What does Prop 13 do for someone who is too poor to own a home?
What does the lack of it do for people who are too poor to own a home? If property taxes go up, so do rents.
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Prop 13 has made it so normal people with a job that can coverage their mortgage don't get wiped out by a later property tax increase forcing them to sell.
A standard loan is locked in for 30 years. Without prop 13, property taxes could be anything but definitely going up. Never down.
How can anyone determine if they can afford to buy when they don't know what their taxes will be only one year out?
Prop 13 has kept literally millions from losing their homes.
Again: why do you think the voters put it in place?
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They were normal when they bought the house, now they are wealthy because the house doubled or tripled in price.
Why should I, or anyone else, be concerned about rich people?
And do you know what people do when they are protected by the tax consequences of rising housing costs? They do everything they can [wikipedia.org] to make housing unaffordable for everyone else. Tha
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There's only a shortage of housing. For that, we can safely thank Prop 13 which reduces housing turnover by rewarding people for not selling.
How would not having Prop 13 make more housing available? If someone sells their house, they need another one to buy to move into.
I'm constantly amazed how often people say 'X is the reason for housing prices', and they are so far off the mark it isn't even funny. It's like when people say "Housing isn't affordable!", despite the fact that the very reason housing prices are high is because people are buying houses, so clearly they can afford them.
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There are many reasons for the California housing shortage. Prop 13's impact? It encourages old folks, empty nesters, to stay in their home long past the point where downsizing would make sense. Then instead of an old couple in a 2 bed, it's an old couple in a 4 bed and the new families can't get into homes the size they can use. Then when mom and dad die, it's often foolish to give up the property with a tiny tax base when you can then rent it out and call that extra several k each year a profit. So t
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when you can then rent it out
Please re-read what you posted and get back to me.
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Prop 13 is poorly designed.
It was a poorly thought out, and equally poorly implemented, solution to a very serious problem.
Re: Why move there? (Score:5, Interesting)
Not, strictly speaking, true (Score:3)
When viewed in isolation as you did, Prop13 might be presumed to encourage "old folks, empty nesters, to stay in their home long past the point where downsizing would make sense" (as you put it), Prop13 is NOT the only law that applies in CA
CA has long had a law which allows people to down-size when they get older (actually encourages it) by allowing them to transfer the tax benefits to the newer smaller place. So, while CA has a fairly unique Prop13 with certain effects, it also has other fairly unique la
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Great weather? It's fucking too hot most of the time.
And EVERY FUCKING YEAR, they're bitching about it being too hot, too dry, too wet, too many fires, too many floods, too many mudslides, too many earthquakes, too many brownouts, too much shit on the sidewalks...I mean, they never shut up!
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Eh? Fox News much? Or Newsmax?
Think about all those dogs. (Score:2)
too much shit on the sidewalks
I'm curious on how weather correlates to shit on the sidewalks but I'm afraid to ask.
In a place like NYC or DC one should *always* remove one's shoes at the door of one's house, because there's feces all over the sidewalks. You just can't see it.
Think about it, (and this is a scientific fact [smithsonianmag.com]): Everyone lives in large multi-story buildings. The average new building constructed in DC is 250 apartment units and several buildings can fit on a city block. NYC building are even taller with no height limits. Now think about all those dog walkers and sure they pick up after the dogs, but there's a
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Most Californians aren't worried about restrictions on gun laws, and think of restrictions on abortion as a larger impingement on people's rights.
Musk moved to avoid the capital gains tax. Surely the dude isn't representative of the population as a whole though.
Civil asset forfeiture? I mean, I guess it sucks, but it's not a hot button issue.
Clearly the largest reason is because high demand has driven real estate prices through the roof. I live in California and I'm happy I live in California, but I also
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Most Californians aren't worried about restrictions on gun laws,
Perhaps that is true but I'm seeing that Americans generally have had enough concern on this in the last few years to push for changes in the law. Have a look at the progression of gun permit laws on this page:http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php
I'd like to highlight a couple years to show progress over 15 years...
2008: http://www.gun-nuttery.com/map... [gun-nuttery.com]
2023: http://www.gun-nuttery.com/map... [gun-nuttery.com]
and think of restrictions on abortion as a larger impingement on people's rights.
Just how much do people really think of this? Who is impacted by any restrictions on abortion? I don't know if it's
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Missouri wants to stop out-of-state abortions. Other states could follow. [politico.com]
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Nothing is more depressing than seeing someone whose deciding factor of moving somewhere is how much money they can make there.
There's more to life than work.
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For a parent, the deciding factors should be safety (low death rates) [cdc.gov] and the quality of the schools. [usnews.com]
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Nothing is more depressing than seeing someone whose deciding factor of moving somewhere is how much money they can make there. There's more to life than work.
Agreed.
And depressing doesn't even begin to describe what California taxes amount to against the money earned. Those taxes certainly won't be going down anytime soon with less taxpayers and more reasons to need tax revenue.
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depressing doesn't even begin to describe what California taxes amount to against the money earned.
My friend who's moving back to California from Austin because with property taxes his total tax burden is higher there than it would be here in California would think you're hilarious[ly dumb].
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depressing doesn't even begin to describe what California taxes amount to against the money earned.
My friend who's moving back to California from Austin because with property taxes his total tax burden is higher there than it would be here in California would think you're hilarious[ly dumb].
That's interesting. I am curious how the _new_ California tax burden rates, considering Prop13 helps tremendously until you sell your home and repurchase.*
*Unless your friend is old enough that he could transfer is property tax bill and it's not too late to do so....
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Nothing is more depressing than seeing someone whose deciding factor of moving somewhere is how much money they can make there. There's more to life than work.
Agreed.
And depressing doesn't even begin to describe what California taxes amount to against the money earned. Those taxes certainly won't be going down anytime soon with less taxpayers and more reasons to need tax revenue.
Taxes? They are all heading for Florida and Texas to so their kids can enjoy DeSantis' and Abbott's superior brand of scripture impregnated Christian fundamentalist education.
Huh. Must be some value to that migration then. Incredible how predictable human migration patterns can be when you threaten basic liberties, isn't it...
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Don't know why that got posted as AC but hi it's me.
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Are you a big deal on slashdot?
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We're all old timers now that /. has blocked new signups.
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Not at all, I just don't like AC posting so don't want to contribute to it.
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If tech advancement could happen anywhere, it wouldn't be so concentrated in the Bay Area. Musk came here because this is where he could get the right people. Same with Google, OpenAI, Nvidia, AMD, Intel, HP, and so on. The job rarely gets led from elsewhere.
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If tech advancement could happen anywhere, it wouldn't be so concentrated in the Bay Area. Musk came here because this is where he could get the right people. Same with Google, OpenAI, Nvidia, AMD, Intel, HP, and so on. The job rarely gets led from elsewhere.
At one point in time we forced tech workers into an office sitting on commercial-grade dirt corruptly taxed, to be herded by overpaid cube farmers too.
Then VPN and RDP happened to validate just how antiquated that mentality was. COVID rather cemented it.
Musk did come there. He also left there. And is still thriving just fine. The Bay Area? Not so much.
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Re: Thanks, Biden! #trump2024 (Score:2)
Ahhh 2101, the year Trump rived Hitler's brain and used him as hot running mate.
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Where do I find Trump's life extension tech?
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Welcome to our banana republic.