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Fewer People Moving in California Are Moving Into the State Than Anywhere Else (sfgate.com) 265

Posted by EditorDavid from the statistics dept.
America's census bureau looked at how many people relocated into each state from another state, compared to the total number of people making a move in that state. The state with the lowest "inmigration" ratio? California.

From 2021 through 2022, "California's inmigration rate was 11.1% last year..." reports SFGate. "For comparison, nearby Oregon had a inmigration rate of 21%."

But the census bureau cautions that California — America's most populous state — "also had a relatively large base of movers overall" — over 4 million — which could help explain its low ratio in several statistics. SFGate reports: California's outmigration rate — defined as the "number of people moving out of a state as a share of that state's total number of movers" — was also below the national migration average. Texas had the country's lowest outmigration rate, at 11.7%, according to the Census Bureau's analysis.
California and Texas are America's two most populous states. (The total population of California is 39 million — roughly 11.7% of America's population — while Texas has another 30 million. Oregon's population is just 4,240,137.) Interestingly, most people moving to California arrived from... Texas. (44,279). At the same time, 102,422 people moved from California to Texas, with another 74,157 moving from California to Arizona.

New York state also lost 91,201 people to Florida, and another 75,103 people to New Jersey. The second-highest number of people (31,225) who moved from a different state to California came from New York...

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, California saw a net loss of 340,000 residents between 2021 and 2022, with most of the people who left heading to Florida or Arizona.
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  • As someone who grew up in SoCal and watched the freeways turn into parking lots and buildings sprouting up on every empty lot I say thank you for moving elsewhere. I still live in SoCal I just moved out to the desert into a small city. I go back to my old neighborhood in L.A. and even the residential streets are packed with cars. Gentrification is sucking the soul out of little communities. What used to be a ten minute drive from my house in Venice to Santa Monica is almost an hour now the traffic is so

    • I certainly hope your happiness can balance out the ever-rising cost of living as you cheer for less taxpayers while California politics feeds a hell of a lot more reasons to need more tax revenue.

      Good luck with that in exchange for traffic that went from insanely fucked to moderately fucked. We'll see what win-win looks like in the next few years.

  • ..to the housing shortage

    • There really isn't a housing shortage. There is a shortage of places to live in certain areas. There are plenty of places to live outside of huge cities.

      • Re:Shortage (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Ksevio ( 865461 ) on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:16AM (#64033867) Homepage

        That's basically the case in the entire world. The cities people want to live in don't have enough housing while the cities people don't (or rural areas) have housing. Reason is pretty obvious

        • Housing is only 1 factor. People also need stores and medical services. People who aren't rich or retired need an ability to earn an income. If these basic factors can't be met, then someone can't or shouldn't live there.

  • Wildfires? (Score:3)

    by CmdrPorno ( 115048 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @11:09PM (#64033767)

    The wildfires, the taxes, the traffic... I love visiting parts of CA, but I don't want to (and could not afford to) live there.

    • Re:Wildfires? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by iAmWaySmarterThanYou ( 10095012 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @11:32PM (#64033809)

      After being gone for about a year we visited for a week this last summer. The price increases from only a year before were shocking.

      Here, traffic is "there are 5 cars ahead of me at the stop light". And since we don't have horrible forest management problems here, I haven't had to run my air purifiers since leaving there.

      I miss the food. That's it.

    • And while the wildfire is are a problem if you live near them it's not that many people who do. Meanwhile Texas is power grid is perpetually in a state of collapse.

      I saw a post from somebody who moved to Texas from washington. They were expecting a libertarian Paradise where they could hunt and shoot and ride their ATVs and do pretty much whatever they wanted. Turns out 95% of the land in Texas worth anything is privately owned and they quickly found that they couldn't do much of anything in the state me

  • Many are moving to cheaper locations (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Lando242 ( 1322757 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @11:34PM (#64033811)
    I live in California. Most of my friends and family live or have lived in California. Several have moved out in the last 5 years, all for the same reason: It is really expensive here. Not politics, not immigration, just plain old money.

    There is a housing shortage that has been ongoing for years, inflation has kicked the crap out of peoples wages, and boomers are retiring and transitioning to fixed incomes. Some people are cashing out their incredibly valuable homes and moving to cheaper states (often times selling to corporations that turn their homes into rentals at inflated prices, which is a whole nother problem). PG&E also managed to burn down a couple of my friends homes. They had to move out of state simply because there was nothing available for them to buy or even rent. That is what you get when an infrastructure provider cheaps out on maintenance in the lowest income area: they burn down all the affordable housing.

    Many people still *work* in California though. Remote work has changed the calculus on homeownership for some of my friends. They moved out of state, kept their jobs, and can now afford to buy instead of rent even though they were almost 'low income' here. Oddly, I have seen more than a few move a second time. I had family retire and move to Texas only to move to Oregon after a few years. They couldn't take the bipolar weather. Summers where its 100 percent humidity and 90 degrees at 2 AM, winters where the roads all freeze, storms that come out of nowhere, rattle your house for an hour, and then its sunny and bright an hour after that. I also had friends that moved to Nebraska. They didn't last 2 years before they moved to Colorado to escape the boredom. They are avid outdoors people. Why they thought eastern Nebraska would be a good idea I don't know. A lot of the old folks I know have moved. Some even moved to Mexico for cheaper medical care. Mostly its the same story: costs. Healthcare is expensive, housing is expensive, gasoline is expensive. It all adds up.

    I tell you what though, the infrastructure is hugely different in California. I've heard all the complaints of living in flyover states. Terrible roads, no sidewalks/bike lanes, non-existent building codes, non-existent city services, crazy neighbors, you name it. Friends in Tennessee said there was no water, sewer, natural gas or even garbage pickup in the town they moved to (20 minutes form Nashville). Everyone was on septic tanks and wells. As you can imagine, that sometimes caused problems. A few times a month they would load up their truck and drive their garbage into the city for disposal. Some of their neighbors would just burn it in their back yards. Technically illegal but not enforced. Lovely. A family member that was a retired contractor spent over a year trying to find a home in his price range that wasn't, in own words "a deathtrap waiting to catch fire", in the Texas community he wanted to move too.
  • I'm wearing a shirt featuring the state mascot walking off the flag.

    • That flag was created to celebrate white supremacy. The bear of intolerance (yeah really) was there to displace the bull of Spanish cattle raising. Ironic since what we destroyed the Bison for was putting up fences for cattle. We could have had free meat and all it would have taken was to not fence some flyover states.

      • The official CA statement is: "The colors and symbols of the flag are: White for purity, Red for courage, the Grizzly Bear to represent strength and independence, and the Red Star to represent the fact that California, like Texas, became a state without ever having been a territory." oh, and the Grizzly bear is the state animal.

        As for "white supremacy"...ugh.. that's cheap garbage. California was never a slave state, never segregated along racial lines, has had significant minority populations for its entir

  • 1. Find literally anything to do with "California" though "Florida" or "Texas" will do as backup.
    2. Find a way to apply hot buzzword to appropriate state in the headline.
    3. You're done, you wrote the headline, watch clicks happen and get ad revenue. The "article" can be written by ChatGPT or something for all you care.

  • Attn Californians: Don't move to Texas (Score:5, Informative)

    by sinkskinkshrieks ( 6952954 ) on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:30AM (#64033901)
    Power outages. Hot summers. Cold winters. Expensive property taxes. Shitty schools. Dumbass people. Polluting and exploding oil refineries. Everyone's armed. Mass shootings. Complete lack of attention to design and architecture. Lack of culture. Not all that much to do. Poisonous and harmful flora and fauna. (Enjoy chiggers, like invisible bedbugs, from just walking across untreated grass.)

    • Re:Attn Californians: Don't move to Texas (Score:4, Insightful)

      by superdave80 ( 1226592 ) on Monday November 27, 2023 @01:09AM (#64033939)
      I'm trying to figure out if you are listing things about California or Texas. Almost your entire list would apply to both states...

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

        I've lived in both and Texas is worse in literally every listed regard.

        Friend of mine is looking at moving back from Texas for all those reasons, plus his taxes would actually be lower in California, because he owns a home with a pool.

        Texas fucking sucks, there's a reason people have historically wanted to move TO California. Now people are leaving, yes, and it's for real reasons, yes, but they are all about cost. If you want to live in a MAGA enclave those exist in California too, but good luck finding a p

    • You just get our rejects.

      • You just get our rejects.

        ...says the sanctuary state.

        Meanwhile, that 'loser' Musk will continue laughing along with Rogan at the good riddance of yesteryear.

  • "Inmigration?" "Outmigration?" (Score:4, Insightful)

    by YetAnotherDrew ( 664604 ) on Monday November 27, 2023 @01:01AM (#64033925)

    I guess that's the state of journalists from Western Washington these days.

    English as an only language!

  • Mere ratios aren't terribly informative. The census bureau has published spreadsheets with the full data.
  • Then you're more likely to think California and New York are the only states with problems. Tucker Carlson will gladly trash his home town of San Francisco, for profit.

  • "outmigration"? Are you retarded? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Arethan ( 223197 ) on Monday November 27, 2023 @03:00AM (#64034059) Journal

    There's literally an actual word for people that are leaving a region, and its called "emigration".

    What the fuck

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    • Emigration: the act of leaving one's own country to settle permanently in another; moving abroad.
      The article is about leaving a state--California--not a country.

      • Emigration: the act of leaving one's own country to settle permanently in another; moving abroad.

        The article is about leaving a state--California--not a country.

        Congrats on being stupid enough to think that Google's definition is a one true source for anything. If you're going to correct someone's English it's worth understanding that English words have multiple definitions codified in multiple dictionaries, and that Cambridge (as Google has sourced it) is not a one true source of truth.

        Merriam-Webster: "an act or instance of emigrating : departure from a place of abode, natural home, OR country for life or residence elsewhere"
        Collins: "to leave one place or countr

    • There are literally multiple words for people that are leaving a region and one of them is "outmigration"

      www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/out-migrate [merriam-webster.com]

  • There isn't a single state mentioned in article that I would want to move to !!!

  • I'm curious actually (Score:4, Insightful)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Monday November 27, 2023 @08:19AM (#64034485) Journal

    Why is it so important to avoid recognizing that people are leaving California?

    There is a general consensus that California is crazy expensive, untenable for any business that had a choice, and has major social problems. Of course people are leaving.

    Yet pretty nearly every week there is some news outlet, official study, government pronouncement that Re frames or statistically tap-dances the numbers to try to convince us otherwise. Why?

  • I know there is an ample supply of people looking for a place to live.

  • Remember, when you move out of one state to another because you don't like something about the current state you are an immigrant not a missionary. To many people move from one state and then start voting for similar policies they just left.

  • Christ almighty is Slashdot taking submissions from Indian Tech Support ChatGPT now?

  • A Subject Easily and Routinely Demagogued (Score:5, Insightful)

    by crunchygranola ( 1954152 ) on Monday November 27, 2023 @11:56AM (#64035199)

    The subject of people moving in and out of California has been a popular topic to misrepresent with cherry picked statistics, or even with no data at all. Ever since California turned blue in the 1990s right-wingers have been trumpeting "people fleeing California" even though, for most of this period, the rate at which Caifornians relocated out of state was lower than the national average, and California's population steadily grew.

    But things change, and California recently stopped growing for the first time in its history - a major reason is a sharp drop in immigration from Asia during the pandemic, and the general hostility to immigration by the former administration.

    One reason why it is easy to misrepresent the issue of "people fleeing California" is that simply due to its size skews lots of statistics. It is hard to have a high rate of anything when about one out of every eight Americans already lives there. This also means there is a very diverse population out of necessity - California is a microcosm of the entire nation to a significant extent - so statistics can easily be misrepresented.

    The story line of "middle class fleeing California" citing a gross emigration rate ignores that a large fraction of the people leaving are poor due to the admittedly high cost in the state. The story cannot be squared with the fact that in addition to having a huge population California has one of the highest incomes in the country -- which means it must have a large well off middle class. The problems California has are ones brought about by being extremely successful - high population, high housing costs are driven by people wanting to live there.

    The pattern of population flow in California in recent years is something like this - poor people leave the state, also well off retirees leave the state for cheaper locations which makes them relatively even wealthier, but younger education people move in to the state because of the high paying jobs that are there. It is the most popular destination for education foreigner wishing to participate in the job market and economy. it is easy to cherry pick and misrepresent statistical slices to make it sound like some sort of demographic and economic apocalypse is in progress, but that is not the story if you look at the whole picture.

    • which means it must have a large well off middle class

      Large, yes. Well off? No. And that’s the problem.

      My wife’s cousin(-in-law) started fresh out of college at $120,000/year in SV doing basic web development in 2018 or so. He and his wife rented a studio apartment and struggled to make ends meet for the duration of their, admittedly short and unhappy, marriage.

      I started at $50,000/year doing full stack dev work in a suburban area in 2011, somewhere other than California. After two years I was able to put 20% down to buy an 1800 sqft home on a thir

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