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Intel Awarded Up To $8.5 Billion in CHIPS Act Grants, With Billions More in Loans Available 29

The White House said Wednesday Intel has been awarded up to $8.5 billion in CHIPS Act funding, as the Biden administration ramps up its effort to bring semiconductor manufacturing to U.S. soil. From a report: Intel could receive an additional $11 billion in loans from the CHIPS and Science Act, which was passed in 2022. The awards will be announced by President Joe Biden in Arizona on Wednesday. The money will help "leading-edge semiconductors made in the United States" keep "America in the driver's seat of innovation," U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo said on a call with reporters. Intel and the White House said their agreement is nonbinding and preliminary and could change.

Intel has long been a stalwart of the U.S. semiconductor industry, developing chips that power many of the world's PCs and data center servers. However, the company has been eclipsed in revenue by Nvidia, which leads in artificial intelligence chips, and has been surpassed in market cap by rival AMD and mobile phone chipmaker Qualcomm.
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Intel Awarded Up To $8.5 Billion in CHIPS Act Grants, With Billions More in Loans Available

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  • Leading edge (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DrMrLordX ( 559371 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:55PM (#64331099)

    If they wanted to fund leading edge semiconductor manufacturing, they wouldn't be giving money to Intel.

  • by Teun ( 17872 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:59PM (#64331115)
    As if Intel needs financial support.
  • by nightflameauto ( 6607976 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @01:03PM (#64331133)

    I assume for all that money there's some form of guaranteed return? Like, even if the return is couched in language about job creation, or overall employment, or tax revenue of a certain amount over a period of time, there should be SOMETHING. My preference would be stock owned by the government, with any form of dividend payout then being dispersed to taxpayers in the form of relief on their own taxes. I know, totally unrealistic, but in a perfect world this would be what would happen when the US government hands massive wads of money over to already profitable businesses.

    Does Intel have any obligation to follow through after that fat stack of cash? Or is this like the telcos have always been? Accept the money to build out infrastructure, hand it to the execs as bonuses, then come back with the hands out a few years down the line? Because as a US citizen that's constantly told monetary troubles are an individual's responsibility to deal with, watching billions upon billions be handed over to big business year after year gets a tiny bit galling.

    I'd like to see some consequences when we inevitably see zero new facilities actually built and operational in the US within a certain timeframe. Then again, I'd like to live in a country where the citizens are cared for before the big money interests, and we all know that's not going to happen.

    • by nevermindme ( 912672 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @01:25PM (#64331201)
      A 4 Billion dollar factory has 12 billion dollars in OPEX in HR and power spend over the next 20 years. Since the main input on that is domestic natural gas from TX and AZ the value will come back to the federal and state partners. I am not concerned about chances of the value for the taxpayer, I am concerned about big empty holes in the ground like the SSC, where the money is spent all inside the beltway on a half a decade of conflict, before the real players get started. https://www.scientificamerican... [scientificamerican.com]
      • A 4 Billion dollar factory has 12 billion dollars in OPEX in HR and power spend over the next 20 years. Since the main input on that is domestic natural gas from TX and AZ the value will come back to the federal and state partners. I am not concerned about chances of the value for the taxpayer, I am concerned about big empty holes in the ground like the SSC, where the money is spent all inside the beltway on a half a decade of conflict, before the real players get started. https://www.scientificamerican... [scientificamerican.com]

        So you just assume that Intel will follow through? That's an amazing amount of hope to maintain in the face on unrelentingly pessimistic past outcomes from tossing money at corporations. It's not like telcos were the only ones to take huge amounts of money and do nothing with it. Airframe manufacturers and their stock buybacks are another example. We have a habit of handing free money over with no real strings attached, and then wondering why nothing ever happens with it. I expect this to end up the same.

      • Like broadband's last mile? Tens of billions of dollars given to telecommunications companies to improve broadband to rural areas and they did absolutely fucking nothing.
        • That's because suburban last mile was also bad and it was more profitable to make that even better than to do anything for rural areas. And since their service levels in suburban areas are still below par, it is likely technically eligible to be spent that way. Urban areas are a little more expensive than suburban but cheaper than rural because literally everything that needs upgraded is under concrete.

  • Question (Score:3, Insightful)

    by The Cat ( 19816 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @01:40PM (#64331243)

    Where does the federal government get the constitutional authority to give "grants" and "loans" to corporations? I've studied the document quite thoroughly and I must have missed it.

    Perhaps if the federal government reserved itself to its constitutional role (e.g. obeyed the law), we wouldn't be $30 trillion in debt.

    • Re:Question (Score:4, Informative)

      by omnichad ( 1198475 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @04:09PM (#64331645) Homepage

      This is referred to as spending money. I don't believe many laws separately distinguish a grant or loan from "spending" in the general sense. Congress has the authority to spend taxpayer money.

      • by The Cat ( 19816 )

        Oh I see. So Congress has unlimited power. If that's the case, then why did we have 248 years of debate over federalism?

        • Not unlimited. The spending clause says Cogress can "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." Broadly speaking, the scope of the matter was decided by the Supreme Court in 1936. So not 248 years, but 160.

          Not everything would fall under the broad umbrella of general welfare, but assuming the possibility that a foreign government halting trade of chips could cause a lot of general un-welfare, this wou

  • "Intel has long been a stalwart of the U.S. semiconductor industry..."

    Change "stalwart" to "arogant, bully and extortionist".
    • https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/cases-proceedings/061-0247-intel-corporation-matter
      https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6pppdz/intels_antitrust_practices_since_the_1980s/
      https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/nov/04/intel-bribed-for-bribery-coercion
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel
  • 8.5 billion to corporations making BILLIONS in PROFITS a year. Let's hear conservatives defend cutting social security.
  • In other jurisdictions, this would be called market manipulation?

    This money will benefit (1) Intel senior management and maybe a bit (2) INTC shareholders. Can't see any (3).

    Wondering how much say did (1) have in the decision of the government.

  • Take 60 billion dollars and buy their stock then use your controlling stake in the company to order them to do what you want them to do.

    No more free handouts to corporations if they want my tax dollars which are the most valuable dollars on the planet they're going to give us something in return and that's something is ownership in the company. Hell of all you Ubi guys want to fund it what better way than having the government own billions and billions of dollars in stock and then handing out dividends.
  • Tina and David sez: Well, must be time to give Intel free money again. How about a Tax-free district? Jerb!
  • But a Republican would never admit it.

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