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Ubuntu 24.04 LTS 'Noble Numbat' Officially Released (9to5linux.com) 34

prisoninmate shares a report from 9to5Linux: Canonical released today Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) as the latest version of its popular Linux-based operating system featuring some of the latest GNU/Linux technologies and Open Source software. Powered by Linux kernel 6.8, Ubuntu 24.04 LTS features the latest GNOME 46 desktop environment, an all-new graphical firmware update tool called Firmware Updater, Netplan 1.0 for state-of-the-art network management, updated Ubuntu font, support for the deb822 format for software sources, increased vm.max_map_count for better gaming, and Mozilla Thunderbird as a Snap by default.

It also comes with an updated Flutter-based graphical desktop installer that's now capable of updating itself and features a bunch of changes like support for accessibility features, guided (unencrypted) ZFS installations, a new option to import auto-install configurations for templated custom provisioning, as well as new default installation options, such as Default selection (previously Minimal) and Extended selection (previously Normal)."

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Ubuntu 24.04 LTS 'Noble Numbat' Officially Released

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  • Screw snap (Score:5, Insightful)

    by enxebre ( 5572726 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @04:24PM (#64425520)
    Seriously, snap can go f*** itself. Ubuntu should just get rid of snaps.
    • Re:Screw snap (Score:5, Insightful)

      by dicobalt ( 1536225 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @04:36PM (#64425558)
      Yep, snap ends up being more of a problem than a solution.
      • Re:Screw snap (Score:5, Insightful)

        by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @07:08PM (#64425888)

        >"Yep, snap ends up being more of a problem than a solution."

        Not just screw snap, but screw any FORCED use of containerized packages. Users should always have a choice for native packages- you know, the ones that take little disk space and are not complicated to manage.

        Having the choice to use a container package is fine/great- they can be useful. But abandoning native packages is bad. And if you are going to support containers, using snap would probably be the worst choice. It is why Linux Mint not only has native packages for the major stuff that Ubuntu doesn't, but they also fully support flatpak and not snap.

        • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

          >"Yep, snap ends up being more of a problem than a solution."

          Not just screw snap, but screw any FORCED use of containerized packages.

          My first reaction too, docker etc. It bugs me when some software is only easily available packaged into a docker container.

        • >"Yep, snap ends up being more of a problem than a solution."

          Not just screw snap, but screw any FORCED use of containerized packages. Users should always have a choice for native packages- you know, the ones that take little disk space and are not complicated to manage.

          You have a choice. Ubuntu hasn't uninstalled aptitutde and you can always add a custom repo to your source list. But fundamentally while I *hate* snap I really disagree with your point. The fundamental point of a distribution is that someone makes decisions for you. The issue here is that Ubuntu isn't the right choice for you, but we shouldn't be saying that any distro should be forced to follow the opinions of anyone other than their own maintainers, because in doing so it would lead to all distros being t

          • You don't have a choice if you want/need to run a supported enterprise apt-based distro. For some companies a support contract is mandatory. You can get a subscription from Canonical and they'll support you and provide early access to bugfixes etc.
    • Re:Screw snap (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Brain-Fu ( 1274756 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @04:58PM (#64425626) Homepage Journal

      The good news is that there are other distributions available that don't use snap. And even some that make snap use your choice.

      So I don't agree that Ubuntu should get rid of snap. I think it's good that different distributions use different technologies, so each person can find the one that is right for them.

      I, for one, have never noticed any problems using Ubuntu (snap included). It all just works, for my uses anyway.

    • The first thing I do after installing ubuntu is rip snap completely off the machine. I love Mint but I tend to update hardware frequently and LTS editions only just do not give me the bleeding edge hardware support that I need. Snap needs to burn in hell. It is the worst of the app store style packaging systems. None of them are good. I want my apps to be lean and mean and not have 10-15 apps whether snap or appimage or any other system that all carry the exact same libraries that have to be unpacked when y

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      The snappifying tendencies of Ubuntu made me switch to Debian. A bit more "bare", but a lot less crapware.
  • More of the same (Score:5, Informative)

    by Z-MaxX ( 712880 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @04:38PM (#64425562) Journal
    If you like what Ubuntu's been doing for the past decade, then feel free to enjoy this.

    As for me, I'll pass. When Ubuntu started doing bloatware, I stopped using Ubuntu and went back to reliable distros like Debian. I don't miss it.

    • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @04:45PM (#64425592)

      When Ubuntu started doing bloatware, I stopped using Ubuntu and went back to reliable distros like Debian. I don't miss it.

      I too switched away from Ubuntu when they started replacing packages with snaps. Sure, if people *want* a snap instead, fine, but I'm not a fan of not having the choice for myself. I strongly considered Debian, but went with Mint 21 (Cinnamon) -- Snap is available, but disabled by default.

      • Re:More of the same (Score:5, Interesting)

        by StormReaver ( 59959 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @05:32PM (#64425702)

        Sure, if people *want* a snap instead, fine, but I'm not a fan of not having the choice for myself.

        Every Snap I've seen is alongside the deb package, so the choice is there.

        • Re:More of the same (Score:4, Interesting)

          by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @05:49PM (#64425750)

          Sure, if people *want* a snap instead, fine, but I'm not a fan of not having the choice for myself.

          Every Snap I've seen is alongside the deb package, so the choice is there.

          As far as I know, Firefox is only available from Ubuntu as a Snap -- at least using the standard/default package repositories. I think Emacs as well and TFA now says Thunderbird too. If people want that or want to mess around with configuring other repos (PPA), fine, to each their own, but many others don't want that. Other than Canonical not having to support packaging for those various apps, and wasting a bunch of disk space with the snaps, not sure how it benefits them to alienate a segment of their prospective users.

          How to Install Firefox as DEB on Ubuntu (Not Snap) [omgubuntu.co.uk]

          Firefox is the default web browser in Ubuntu but as of 2022 it’s packaged as a snap app, with a traditional DEB version only available for users of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and earlier.

          [goes on to explains how to remove/disable Snap version, add Mozilla PPA, install from there, etc...]

        • >"Every Snap I've seen is alongside the deb package, so the choice is there."

          You haven't looked very hard, then. And the number will go up with each release. It is one of several reasons Linux Mint is continuously gaining in popularity.

        • Ok, then please point me to to their offcial .deb for Chromium please?

          P.S. One of several key desktop packages that are snap only with the list growing.

        • Every Snap I've seen is alongside the deb package, so the choice is there.

          False. You may think you're getting a deb package but Ubuntu will actively circumvent your attempts. For example, try running "sudo snap remove firefox". Then run "sudo apt install firefox" ... Ubuntu traps this request and reinstalls the snap.

          There are multiple packages in their official source list that operate this way. If you want to install firefox as a .deb package you literally cannot do it from an Ubuntu repository. There are whole guides on the internet of how to work around this for multiple apps,

        • semi-true for AMD64, completely false for ARM64 - some of the packages (like Firefox, Skype, Discord) are hard to get as not snaps anywhere. But on the Ubuntu ARM64 much more available only as snaps (Chromium, etc.), which is worse as RPi - the most popular ARM64 system, uses sdcard by default, making snaps almost unusable.
  • Might check out the kubunt lts. It is a shame they don't do more to market the distro.
  • by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @06:57PM (#64425874)

    >"Ubuntu 24.04 LTS 'Noble Numbat' Officially Released"

    Kewl, because that means a new Linux Mint will be on the way soon.

    https://linuxmint.com/ [linuxmint.com]

    And I seem to be more fascinated by their LMDE project, although I haven't decided to jump to it from regular Mint quite yet...

    https://linuxmint.com/download... [linuxmint.com]

  • Count me out. I'll stick to real operating systems not led by lunatics.
  • by Big Hairy Gorilla ( 9839972 ) on Thursday April 25, 2024 @07:45PM (#64425976)
    You know you're thinking that..... But someone once said "No harm EVER came to anybody because of systemd"...... aaaand this this is why you can't have nice things anymore: SystemD-itis <TM symbol> Everyone pile in and try to make everything proprietary again.

    Snap has it bad.
    Great harm has come to youbuntus.

    All the best software runs without systemd anyways. Not being able to run snaps is an advantage. For sure your machine will run faster and battery life will be longer and have fewer security issues. It's less moving parts.

    I could offer some ideas on that, but ... it's a bit of a touchy subject.. .so I've heard...
    <...whispers... devvv........ooo.....aaawn.......>
  • How about Nomore Numbnuts instead? Oh wait, that's not an animal...

    I DO wish that would become Ubuntu's motto though - maybe then they'd stop ramming Snaps down users' throats.

    FWIW there are some pre-packaged applications that I like and use. But a) I favour AppImage and Flatpak over Snap, and b) I want the choice between APT and standalone. That's a major reason for me running Mint instead of Ubuntu.

  • Anyone know when it hits the do-release-upgrade servers?

    • ...in about three months, when 24.04.1 comes out.

      Some references will suggest using the '-d' flag to do-release-upgrade, but that has a very limited window (weeks) where it may do what you want it to.
      If interested in more details, see the accepted answer to https://askubuntu.com/question... [askubuntu.com]
  • I would say that https://ubuntu.com/blog/canoni... [ubuntu.com] is a better link for "release"
  • by hogleg ( 1147911 ) on Friday April 26, 2024 @07:06AM (#64426740)

    My daily is Debian 12 with Gnome and it runs flawlessly. Installed Ubuntu 24.04 on a spare partition because I do like Ubuntu and like to keep track of where it's at for it's LTS releases.

    Frankly, the visual differences between Debian's version of Gnome and Ubuntu's is not readily apparent to me. File managers "improved' speed is not noticeable to me either...whatever.

    Thunderbird is now a snap on Ubuntu but I couldn't bring over my Debian Thunderbird config, the one that resides in ~/.thunderbird.
    Ubuntu's snap puts it in a different location, fine. But my Debian config wouldn't work.
    Uninstall/purge the T-bird snap and install the deb package. Moved over my ~/.thunderbird from Gnome. Done.
    Annoying to have to do that and I should mention that Thunderbird as a snap seemed to start as quickly as the deb version so that is a plus.

    Libreoffice on snap is incredibly slow to start up, I need to google how to purge that next and install the deb package.

    Remmina doesn't work as a deb package, it crashes on startup, but from what I can find it does work as a snap. I need to check that out.
    I thought 24.04 had an import tool for wireguard, if it does, I did not see it.
    That was last night.

    I got disgusted and rebooted back to Debian. I do like Ubuntu, I don't have a hard-on for them like some people do but damn, snaps have been around for awhile. Fix that shit.
    Honestly, I don't want to deal with this anymore. Debian isn't doing anything crazy, it is stable, reliable and simply does not annoy me. What's not to like. It's dependable.
    Maybe I am getting old. I no longer have the patience I used to have nor the tolerance. I have better things to do with my time.
    Fix your shit Canonical.

  • Finally a nice wayland distro working with hardware acceleration & gamepad working out of the box

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