US Revokes Intel, Qualcomm Licenses To Sell Chips To Huawei (msn.com) 239
An anonymous reader quotes a report from MSN: The US has revoked licenses allowing Huawei to buy semiconductors from Qualcomm and Intel, according to people familiar with the matter, further tightening export restrictions against the Chinese telecom equipment maker. Withdrawal of the licenses affects US sales of chips for use in Huawei phones and laptops, according to the people, who discussed the move on condition of anonymity. House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul confirmed the administration's decision in an interview Tuesday. He said the move is key to preventing China from developing advanced AI. "It's blocking any chips sold to Huawei," said McCaul, a Texas Republican who was briefed about the license decisions for Intel and Qualcomm. "Those are two companies we've always worried about being a little too close to China."
While the decision may not affect a significant volume of chips, it underscores the US government's determination to curtail China's access to a broad swathe of semiconductor technology. Officials are also considering sanctions against six Chinese firms that they suspect could supply chips to Huawei, which has been on a US trade restrictions list since 2019. [...] Qualcomm recently said that its business with Huawei is already limited and will soon shrink to nothing. It has been allowed to supply the Chinese company with chips that provide older 4G network connections. It's prohibited from selling ones that allow more advanced 5G access.
While the decision may not affect a significant volume of chips, it underscores the US government's determination to curtail China's access to a broad swathe of semiconductor technology. Officials are also considering sanctions against six Chinese firms that they suspect could supply chips to Huawei, which has been on a US trade restrictions list since 2019. [...] Qualcomm recently said that its business with Huawei is already limited and will soon shrink to nothing. It has been allowed to supply the Chinese company with chips that provide older 4G network connections. It's prohibited from selling ones that allow more advanced 5G access.
This is how western chips die (Score:5, Insightful)
This is how they killed the West(ern semiconductor industry). One of the only industries that still has advantage over the Chinese.
Sanctions rarely work for their intended purposes. But one way in which they do work is they force the other guy to become independent of your stuff. The Chinese are already making giant leaps in their domestic chip industry, and outinvesting the West by an order of magnitude. Maybe two - it's difficult to keep track, but one order of magnitude is easily there. Sanctioning them further will only add fuel to their efforts. In ten years nobody in the world will have reason to buy chips from the West, the Chinese will deliver them cheaper and better.
Chips, together with aerospace were basically the last things the Chinese, and everybody else, needed to buy from the West. Once they have these last few industries in the bag, Western money will be worthless outside the West. There will be nothing to buy from the West, for which you will not get a better deal in China. And if the West has nothing to sell, it will have no power to buy, either, and we all will sit in our deindustrialized landscape with a dumb look on our face, looking for someone to blame. Considering we are already doing our best to forget the uncomfortable fact that shipping our industry, together with technology transfer, was a deliberate policy acted out by our elites, and sold to us as our glorious prosperous future unfolding... I do not expect we will suddenly gain the amazing powers of introspection later on, when the fan has finished spreading out the manure that we flung it's way.
After we shipped out our industry, and realized we fscked up, we had basically had one job to do. Keep hold of every export market we still have, especially the ones where we had absolute advantage. Instead these have now been pissed to the wind for whatever genius voter engagement idea of the day our "leadership" is chasing after these days. A collective economic suicide by the West. A reversion back to the historic mean of Asia being the economic center of the World, with the West as a backwards insignificant periphery. You cannot compete on a level field with the raw population numbers, the relative ease of feeding them, and the economic power that comes with these, that Asia has going for it. Getting to the industrial revolution first gave the West the upper hand, but we have now sacrificed that to the altar of comfortably retiring a few assholes from DC, and retiring insanely rich a few assholes from Wall Street.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
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from a western consumer POV, if this makes chinese company create competitive chips, yes please, also can we add nvidia to the list. i can't afford the 2000 dollar video cards.
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There will be nothing to buy from the West, for which you will not get a better deal in China.
While I agree with much that you write, I disagree with this.
China is still mostly known for cheap, unreliable crap. Maybe they can make better things (excluding the ones that they simply copied 100%, factory and all, from western companies) but they don't export them. There's plenty of garbage coming out of China, while things "made in Germany" and western brands in general still have a much better reputation.
Getting to the industrial revolution first gave the West the upper hand, but we have now sacrificed that to the altar of comfortably retiring a few assholes from DC, and retiring insanely rich a few assholes from Wall Street.
late-stage capitalism.
Communism self-destructed in the end. I fear capitalism will do the same. An
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China is still mostly known for cheap, unreliable crap. Maybe they can make better things (excluding the ones that they simply copied 100%, factory and all, from western companies) but they don't export them.
I can state with absolute confidence that they can, and do export them. There's a brand of microphones (sE Electronics [seelectronics.com]) that is absolutely good and reliable and exported from China.
With Chinese manufacturing, unless you tell them you want it to be this level of quality/this caliber/this higher price point, my understanding is their culture TEACHES them from an early age to be as frugal as possible. As such, making things cheap is inherent. If the Western companies that work with the Chinese factories wer
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late-stage capitalism.
Capitalism was on the ropes and dying in the 1890s. Then again in the 1920s. Then again in the 1960s. Then again in the 1980s. Then again in the 2010s. Capitalism has been on it's last legs for a hundred years. At this rate it will be dead in two or three hundred more years.
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All of the expensive quality stuff also comes from China. For lack of an original example, iPhones come from China. Seriously, 99% of everything comes from China by now. They now have also an absolute lead in new patents and technology development. Musk dreamed of battery swap stations for Tesla ten years ago. Did not become reality. It's done and done in China. They will put up in a week a bridge we take two years to build, only for it to collapse on us. They have machines for fsking everything, and for go
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Chips, together with aerospace were basically the last things the Chinese, and everybody else, needed to buy from the West. Once they have these last few industries in the bag, Western money will be worthless outside the West.
You're making the same mistake Karl Marx did in his economic predictions: assuming technology remains static, and ignoring the knowledge generated by market competition.
If the West were to stop inventing stuff, then what you say would be true. Or if China were to become as good at inventing stuff as the West is. The reason the West is better at inventing stuff than China is exactly because open, democratic societies with competitive marketplaces are better at it than controlled, non-democratic societies w
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To make a long story short, you have missed the memo about China already being better at inventing stuff than the West. I do not want to sound like a broken record, but semiconductors and aerospace are the last two fields where the West is still ahead. And China is closing the gap fast, especially now that they have been getting sanctioned off in these areas.
Market competition is exactly one of the reasons they have pulled ahead. China has an extremely competitive market, much more so than what the West has
Preventing China from developing advanced AI (Score:2)
Re:chinese have long memories (Score:5, Insightful)
Sounds like the government is screwing over Intel and Qualcomm, not the Chinese. All this will do is send even more money to Chinese companies developing competing products, as the CCP works to remove its reliance on US technology.
There may be some short term benefit for Intel and Qualcomm's customers, but even that is questionable.
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Do you also believe that we should have allowed American companies to sell anything they wanted to the USSR and Nazi Germany?
Or do you believe China is not an evil totalitarian state very similar to the Soviets and Nazis?
There are things more important than the corporate bottom line.
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China does plenty of bad things, but then so does the US, and many European countries. Clearly none of them are as bad as the Nazis. We were at war with Nazi Germany, we aren't at war with China. China has nuclear weapons so lets hope we never are.
Generally speaking though, I don't think carving the world up with trade barriers is a good idea. Trade tends to lead to more peace, not less. What we should be doing is competing, and where possible cooperating.
Think about this for a minute. China doesn't ban exp
Re:chinese have long memories (Score:5, Insightful)
We're not in a hot war with China. But Chinese leadership has made it abundantly clear they will do whatever necessary to be number one in the world as well as continue to abuse (I use that word very lightly) their own non-Han subjects (not citizens because they have no rights). The hot war will start when they decide they are ready for it and can take Taiwan before we can do anything about it. The only thing stopping them is insufficient military strength and the difficulty of the logistics of making a 90 mile leap across the water with 500k troops.
Is it necessary to go on about Tibet, the cultural revolution, Taiwan, Uighers, political prisoners used for organ harvesting, Falun Gong, Hong Kong, and so much more? I think not. Let's be adults about this. The details have been covered on /. countless times. Let's not pretend the Chinese are just like the West. They are not.
So what you seem to be saying is money is more important than morals because we've been trying the "bring them into the modern world with trade" thing since "Nixon went to China!" and it hasn't worked at all. The only thing trade engagement has done is make them stronger and turn a fucked up agrarian communist shit hole into a serious global threat.
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But Chinese leadership has made it abundantly clear they will do whatever necessary to be number one in the world
pot kettle etc.
The only thing trade engagement has done is make them stronger and turn a fucked up agrarian communist shit hole into a serious global threat.
thats life unfortunately, you cant be on top forever. theyre no more of a threat than the USA has been for the last century. like I said in OP, this time on top wont be forgotten in a hurry, and personally I cannot wait to finally see that American exceptionalism knocked into the bin
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The hot war will start when they decide they are ready for it and can take Taiwan before we can do anything about it.
You're adorable.
No hot war will result from that.
It's a sad situation. We'd huff, and we'd puff, and grumble and walk away.
Just as if the US decided to knock over Venezuela, the Russians would huff, and they'd puff, but ultimately not enter a war involving millions of deaths in protest of it.
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There is a difference between a Western nation that believes in some form of democracy and human rights being the big dog and an evil totalitarian dictatorship being the top of the world. There is no moral equivalence here and saying "oh yeah? Well the West hasn't been perfect either!" is a rhetorical fallacy. This doesn't require any further comment.
I have very carefully watched China for the last 25 years. If there is China news, I read it. They would prefer a non-bloody political surrender. Who woul
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As a non US citizen, the idea of the US being the big superpower isn't so attractive either. That's why I want Europe to complete. It can be a three way.
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Go ahead, compete. And I've never said the US is all golden happy angelic goodness. We have a history of doing shitty things both to other people and our own. Every country does. Including all of Europe. But there are a) degrees and b) recency and c) counter balance within to limit the degree and frequency of shiftiness. China has no such counter balance and their negative behaviors have neither slowed nor lessened in degree of evil since Mao took over. Xi is really just a less charismatic modernized
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Again, that isn't true. The COVID lockdown protests were a great example of how things have softened in China. 30 years ago it would have been a violent crackdown, but instead they folded pretty quickly.
As for the US, I think it's a really dangerous time for it. You have Trump who is an actual crook, and openly talking about dismantling your democracy. The Democrats seem to be pretty useless, and can't even reliably beat that guy, let alone undo some of the damage he has already done. Women have lost basic
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They didn't hold anyone hostage. There was a law passed enforcing lockdowns, just like there was in many Western countries, including my own. In cases where people refused to obey the law, they put them under house arrest. In some cases that involved barricading the front door of an apartment, because they couldn't station a cop on every one of them 24/7. The alternative would be to take them to prison, and prisons were already in trouble trying to handle a highly infectious disease, and they might already
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Wait... Do you not know what a hostage is? It's not the same thing as being held captive, a.k.a. being arrested.
I don't know why you think anyone would starve to death either, as I explained they delivered groceries.
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You are just being obtuse now. You know what house arrest is, and I already explained to you that the local government was responsible for delivering food and other necessities. The punishment for breaking house arrest is not death, you seem to have confused China with North Korea.
This is why we keep falling behind.
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China doesn't ban exports of its advanced technologies to Western countries
China doesn't ban exports YET. I feel like they are holding back and playing the long game here to protect their immediate interest, but they are Probably bound to eventually, in retaliation for the Wests' sanctions against them. Once they have eliminated enough of their dependencies on outside tech, and the US still depends on China for manufacturing -- about around that time is when they drop the axe.
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The problem is the policy toward China is all over the place.
Exporting or wealth by creating a trade imbalance intentionally - refusing to sell them stuff; while buying their stuff as fast as it can be shoved into shipping containers is not a good strategy.
I believe the China is evil; but step 0; is actually not stop selling them stuff its to stop buying their stuff.
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If you maintain a trade deficit, you are essentially funneling your wealth out of the country.
How bad is that? That depends on your goals.
Of course in today's ultraglobalized world, your national revenue that's actually accrued overseas may be so significant that the trade deficit is meaningless.
And largely- that's absolutely the case in the US.
But ignoring that, a country that purchases everything overseas can expect to have no monetary wealth at home.
A country that pur
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but you dont just trade with one country. and if its just losing "wealth", why import a single thing?
Huh? Because you're trading that wealth for "things". Also known as... basic free market capitalism.
deep, but meaningless
Wrong.
It's simple math.
People x, with an average monetary wealth of y have a total monetary wealth of xy.
If you spend that in the country, that monetary wealth stays in the local economy.
If you spend it on a foreign good, it is gone.
and ditto. you cant even demonstrate it to me, because you havent actually said anything we can scrutinise
Don't blame me for your subpar intelligence.
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Or do you believe China is not an evil totalitarian state very similar to the Soviets and Nazis?
Dear USA, many of you do not realise this yet, but if Trump is elected again, the US will end up on the same list as China and Russia. Make the other America great again please.
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Do you also believe that we should have allowed American companies to sell anything they wanted to the USSR and Nazi Germany?
Except American companies already did sell to to Nazi [quora.com].
For example Henry Ford visited German before the war and met Hitler and his logistics experts. The latter were concerned that they did not have enough lorries to support blitzkrieg, or the capacity to build them. Henry built a factory to turn out lorries ostensibly for the civilian market but all painted in Wehrmacht grey for some reason. In 1939 80% of German military lorries were Fords.
and supplied biochemical weapons to Saddam Hussein [foreignpolicy.com], the few remaining remnant of which were recovered after the US-launched Iraq War which killed 500 thousand Iraqis.
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This is a textbook strawman. We don't allow American companies to sell anything to China. Lookup ITAR regulations.
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Impressive! You just strawmaned your strawman. (It's strawmen all the way down.) I'm using "anything" in the same way you used "anything". American companies are not allowed to sell anything they want to China. This doesn't mean there isn't a lot of things they c
Re:chinese have long memories (Score:5, Informative)
He asked is it an evil totalitarian state "very similar to" Nazi Germany. Obviously, it is. Ask the Uyghurs, if you're willing to admit they exist.
But good attempt to deflect.
Re:chinese have long memories (Score:4, Informative)
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And the Indians, for that matter.
Re:chinese have long memories (Score:4, Insightful)
No. It is not "very similar to Nazi Germany". It is its own kind of problem and making invalid historical comparisons is not going to help. If your understanding ends at "they are murdering people", then you have no place in this discussion.
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Alright, smarty pants, he was not asking whether those three nations were historically comparable, he was asking if they were each totalitarian regimes, like those other states once were.
He asked is China "an evil totalitarian state very similar to the Soviets and Nazis." Do you not understand analogy?
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China is not and has never been "very similar to the Soviets and Nazis". Not understanding an opponent is a really bad mistake.
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You, sir, are moron.
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He asked is it an evil totalitarian state "very similar to" Nazi Germany. Obviously, it is. Ask the Uyghurs, if you're willing to admit they exist.
No, it isn't. Not even fucking close.
Of course they exist. Of course what is happening there is fucking disgusting.
But you know what they're not doing? Systematically rounding them up from 1000 miles in every direction, and funneling them into camps that turn 80% of them into ash on admission.
The way you try to paint any criticism of your really stupid fucking comparison as support of what the CCP is doing to them is fucking pathetic.
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But you know what they're not doing? Systematically rounding them up from 1000 miles in every direction, and funneling them into camps that turn 80% of them into ash on admission.
YES THEY ARE. AND WORSE. At least 1 million dead already, tortured and murdered in literal Chinese concentration camps.
Don't look away!
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
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YES THEY ARE. AND WORSE. At least 1 million dead already, tortured and murdered in literal Chinese concentration camps.
1 million are quoted to have been in the re-education camps.
Not 1 million dead. You need to read better.
You know how we know what goes on in those shithole fucking camps? Because almost all people make it out.
That doesn't somehow justify what those camps do- but what they do doesn't justify you spreading misinformation, either.
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Bullshit. Those are the CCP numbers.
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https://bylinetimes.com/2020/0... [bylinetimes.com]
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https://bylinetimes.com/2020/0... [bylinetimes.com]
And the stories of what actually goes on in the camps comes from actual Uyghurs who were there. Your denials come from the CCP.
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Rather than worry about the exact parallels though, the real question is where do we draw the line?
I might suggest starting by lessening our reliance on Chinese supply chains for critical goods like semiconductors. If the national security argument isn't sufficient for that, consider what happened during COVID supply chain disruptions. Both provide ample reason, IMHO, not to be wholly dependent on the PRC for any non-luxury good, particularly when they would never allow themselves to be likewise solely reliant on an American product.
We can talk about less sexy goods too. Recall the PPE shortages ea
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It does make sense to have semiconductors manufactured in Europe and the US and Japan. Like the mask thing though, we seem to be pretty terrible at strategic planning.
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Fuck you, AmiMoJo. You don't get to defend China's genocide and say "we."
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I have never defended the CCP's genocide. It's a crime against humanity.
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You've minimized it. Fuck you.
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The horrible truth.
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/0... [bylinetimes.com]
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"A crime against humanity" is minimizing it? What's worse than a crime against the very nature of human existence and dignity?
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Yup.
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Ah, the resident, monsterous CCP shill is back.
it's nothing like the holocaust, or even pre-war Nazi Germany
At least a million Uyghurs are dead, tortured to death in front of each other at the direct order of Xi the Pooh. Probably millions more by now.
Precisely what is happening is that certain aspects of Uyghur culture are being destroyed. The Chinese government wants them to integrate into Chinese culture, much like how many Western conservatives want other ethnic groups to abandon their cultures, speak only English etc. To do that, there are various things going on. Most Uyghurs live as freely as any Chinese people, because they just go along with it, or even want to integrate. Those that don't can be forced to take jobs in Chinese owned businesses (mostly factories), to prevent them running their own businesses or working for other Uyghurs. Some are also forced to attend "re-education" camps, where Chinese culture is drilled into them, including language and writing skills, history, and how they are expected to behave once released. Violence is used against those who resist.
OK, that's the CCP Press Release version. Now here's what's ACTUALLY happened:
The Chinese have not just murdered well over a million Uyghur Muslims, they have taken it upon themselves to utterly destroy their culture, just for existing. They've put tortured millions in huge concentration camps for years in conditions
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EVIDENCE
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/0... [bylinetimes.com]
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Diplomacy is war by other means.
Re:chinese have long memories (Score:5, Informative)
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Those with any historical knowledge would probably agree. Note that I did not say they were any better either. I just said they are different and that is quite true.
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Taiwan just wants to be left alone
That's simply not true. The official position of the Taiwanese government is that it is the government of all of China, including the entire mainland. Long ago the communists took control of the mainland, and the fascists fled to Taiwan, both claiming to be the legitimate government. The fascists fell and Taiwan became a democracy, but the democratic government still considers itself and Taiwan the legitimate China.
Within Taiwan, many people there have family on the mainland. There are 370 flights a week be
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That's simply not true. The official position of the Taiwanese government is that it is the government of all of China, including the entire mainland.
They both claim each other in official documents. In practice, there is literally nothing in the posture of Taiwan in which they would even vaguely attempt it, unlike the other way around.
Within Taiwan, there is a political movement to reunify with the mainland, merging the two governments under the PRC system.
In any country of a nontrivial size there will be
Re: chinese have long memories (Score:3)
You have that reversed. Mainland China is a part of Taiwan and has no right to exist as a separate nation.
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And you're a fucking shill.
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I have no love for the PRC, but the fact is- the entire world recognizes them as the legitimate government of *one* China.
That includes the UN.
It is simply a fact that the claim "Mainland China is a part of Taiwan and has no right to exist as a separate nation" is so fucking divorced from reality, as to be dumber than fucking bricks. That doesn't make me a shill- it just makes you a fucking idiot.
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I'm a shill because you said something really fucking stupid?
I didn't post what you took exception to. Dumbass.
You're a shill because you're defending the second most brutally oppressive dictatorship on the planet today.
And you know it.
Re: chinese have long memories (Score:2)
Q.v. Israel to see how important the view of the UN is.
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Except the ROC was a legitimate government of all of China before Mao's PRC took over in an illegal coup.
Its actually the PRC that has no right to exist. It is probably the greatest moral failure post war diplomacy that it was ever recognized.
It would be more like if the Texas militia took over the continental US and current government in Washington fled to the Virgin Islands. Then you wanted to claim the United States of Texas was legit.
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That matters more because we don't like them. We recognize the United States as independent from Britain.
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Taiwan just wants to be left alone and that is beyond what is considered acceptable to mainland China. I could go on, but I think you get my point.
They're part of mainland China
Only if you ask the mainland government or their shills, If you ask Taiwan, they'll give you a different opinion. If you ask the United States, or a lot of other countries, they'll agree with Taiwan.
You, of course, agree with the communists, being a loyal party shill. But that doesn't make your opinion worth any more than anyone else's.
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They're part of mainland China
That hasn't been true since the 19th Century, regardless of what the CCP claims to whip up nationalist furor. No Mainland Chinese Government has exercised sovereignty over Taiwan in living memory and the CCP only cares because a successful non-despotic Taiwan serves as a constant reminder to their own people that there's an alternative to their governance model.
Too bad for them Winnie-the-Pooh abandoned the pretense of "One Country, Two Systems" by cracking down on Hong Kong. Whatever (slim) chance there
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Missile silos.
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I think you are overlooking WW2 there.
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The Cultural Revolution didn't involve the targeted killing of 45 fucking million people. Still a shit ton- probably around 500k- but not more than the fucking holocaust.
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You're assuming the mass famines were not exploited for advantage by ensuring it was the people the party didn't like who did the vast bulk of the dying.
That's every famine that ever was. So no, my point stands.
You're accusing others of committing a crime against history by oversimplifying through conflating different kinds of death
Because they are.
but you're committing a crime against history by oversimplifying through drawing sharp lines that are in fact very broad and fuzzy.
Bullshit, you just lack the intelligence to see the clarity of those lines.
If shitty policies leading to famines resulting in fucktons of deaths is now a targeted genocide, then all of a sudden, that word just lost a lot of meaning, because it has happened a fucking lot, historically.
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Indeed. The Nazis failed. The Chinses have succeeded for several thousand years.
Other than that, there are a number of genocidal similarities.
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Yup that's why so many countries in the region of China, their primary sphere of influence prefer them over the US right?
Oh wait, no they all are extremely suspicious of potential Chinese hegemony and the major powers in the area like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Vietnam all greatly prefer the US.
I mean hell Biden got Japan and Korea to make stronger security ties and China has, North Korea?
https://apnews.com/article/cam... [apnews.com]
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You know I would agree they have every right to say fuck America but.... that region is next door and the US is 41% of exports for central and South America, China is 14%. And the US is right next door. I dunno which one is going to declare war against the US with China. Could happen though.
https://wits.worldbank.org/Cou... [worldbank.org]
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I know this might be difficult for your brain to comprehend but multiple factors can make up one decision.
You also failed to ask a specific question and you also affirmed my answer so thank you for sort of agreeing with me. ]
I am sorry you lock imagination but do you not think part of why the Asian countries align with the US is not due to trade and military prowess? The very military prowess that defeated Japans empire, rebuilt it, saved SK from communist takeover, protects their sea shipping routes as w
Re: chinese have long memories (Score:2)
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You are overlooking WW2.
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Rounding up a people and systematically murdering them is far different than all the red labor camps, reeducation camps, and other crazy weird dumb shit that they do.
You can't fucking compare them, so stop fucking doing it.
As bad as China is, it has no extermination camps.
As fucked as the Cultural Revolution was- it didn't involve 9 million people funneled into fucking extermination camps.
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Read history on nazi camps, rather than the memes. Overwhelming majority were slave labor camps, not death camps. Where do you think "sabotage as a massive problem in German military hardware" came from? Biggest amount of people held were Slavs from territory Germans conquered as well as POWs and they weren't being mass exterminated. They were employed as slave labor to produce materiel mostly for the Wehrmacht.
That doesn't fucking matter.
Again, stop being stupid.
Nazi Germany isn't known for its forced labor camps. It's known for the systematic extermination of a people.
And so they're completely comparable. Both used slave labor for the good of the nation's immediate needs. Both had people selected based on their ethnic origins.
So does the US. What's your point?
No, it funneled about five times that at low end estimates into struggle sessions. If you have to choose to die to zyklon B or to a struggle session, you will choose zyklon B every single time. It's way less painful, and far less psychologically crushing. Because for all the horrors of extermination camps, at least it wasn't your brainwashed children slowly beating you to death to the massive cheers of your entire family and village.
The Cultural Revolution did not result in 45 million deaths. That's a fucking fabricated number.
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And most people in America today believe that was a Bad Idea (TM).
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Sounds like the government is screwing over Intel and Qualcomm, not the Chinese.
Quite to the contrary, I guess. This is a move out of the "Make China Great Again" textbook.
Sure, short-term there might be a shortage of certain chips. But they'll produce their own in no time, and then even if the political landscape changes and we're all friends again, they won't buy from US companies again.
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... why should the USA assist them in that endeavor by selling them the chips they need?
Our poor little executives have to pay for their third vacation homes and second mistresses.
Re:chinese have long members? (Score:2)
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Giving China chips right now would allow them to ramp up many, many other industries and get a leg up on us in them.
Re:chinese have long memories (Score:4, Informative)
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Way to broadcast your ignorance, Anonymous Coward! Even if you didn't learn anything about history in school, about 10 seconds on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] would inform you that the opium wars occurred in the mid-1800s, decades after the US was founded. They were largely waged by the British government, although France chipped in, too.
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Coincidence? Those 3 colors are in stripes of countries all over Europe. The US doesn't even have blue stripes, unlike the French and Dutch flags.
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I'm replying to the comment about the completely unrelated West India Company. Which is a Dutch company, related to the Dutch East India Company. Regardless, the Wikipedia article on the East India Company from Britain shows the flag from 1801 and later. More or less copying the first US continental flag that predated it by a quarter of a century. Its design may be inspired by the older East India Company flag, but a union jack in the corner (canon) is common to quite a few countries affiliated with the
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Nonsense. China is already building their home chip industry as fast as they possibly can. This move cannot accelerate that.
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Bullshit. You are confusing cause and effect.
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This move is separate from earlier moves.
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