California Advances Bill For Porn Site Age Verification (gizmodo.com) 166
California is another state lining up to pass a law requiring adult sites to verify the ages of porn watchers. From a report: The California State Assembly passed the Parent's Accountability and Child Protection Act that will require porn companies doing business in the state to verify that users are 18 years or older. This law would also affect other businesses such as fireworks, body branding, and even BB guns. Democrat Rebecca Bauer-Kahan and Republican Juan Alanis pushed for passage of the bill, which ended up receiving 65 out of possible 80 yes votes, and zero no votes with 15 assembly members listed as not voting. Before the bill becomes law, it still has to pass the State Senate and then be signed by Governor Gavin Newsom. Louisiana was the first state to pass an age verification law for adult sites in 2022. In the past year, several other states jumped on the bandwagon including Utah, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Texas, and Virginia.
They never learn (Score:5, Insightful)
1) If your kids aren't old enough to be exposed to adult content, they aren't old enough for unsupervised Internet access.
2) If age verification is required in CA, people will use services homed elsewhere and use a VPN if necessary. CA porn production is subject to CA laws and generates CA economic activity - two reasons to NOT drive it elsewhere.
This isn't about that (Score:3, Insightful)
Right wingers want to monitor and control you. Dipshit liberals think they can get rid of political trolls and Russian bots this way. It's a team up with the evil and the stupid.
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For once I completely agree with you
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How do you explain the Texas legislation?
Horseshoe (Score:3)
The exposition. [wikipedia.org]
My grandfather who served in WWII was very much on board with this, believing that all forms of totalitarianism were just as bad as each other. Having experienced both types in his journeys from Tunisia to Czechoslovakia, I suppose he'd know.
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How do you explain the Texas legislation?
From what I've seen, there's no explaining TX legislation. :-)
Re: This isn't about that (Score:2)
I mean, I just did. The GOP wants to strip anonymity from the internet for the sake of power.
What are you even basing this on? I personally can't think of any elements of it that would target anonymity. If anything I can only think of the opposite, like qanon, Trump's truth social, parler, 8chan, and maybe kiwi farms. These are all things that Democrats would absolutely love to kill off, and even take an active effort at doing so.
Meanwhile there's nothing at all I'm aware of that relies on anonymity that is favored by any elements of the Democrats that the GOP is making an active effort to kill off
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It sounds as though you think California has only one person in it.
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Radical and left and communist and Democrats. That's awfully specific. And yet it says right there in the summary that it's a bi-partisan bill. And with 65 out of 80 votes, it must have not only gotten some Republicans on board but also some of the Democrats who don't meet all of your specified qualities.
Not really. Sane people can't get elected in the United States. We're a government of the loudest voices.
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Right wingers want to monitor and control you. Dipshit liberals think they can get rid of political trolls and Russian bots this way.
Absolutely spot fucking on. The is the second time you've said something I agree with. You stop that shit right now.
But yeah, everyone thinks it's two sides of the same coin and the thing is, there's just the coins, and us plebs get none of them and told to be happy with nothing and get back to work.
The coin sides aren't the same (Score:2, Troll)
Team blue is just dumb. Really, really dumb. You can work with dumb. Education can stop dumb in it's tracks. You can pull them aside, remind them of how Citizens United blew up in their faces and talk (most of) them down because they j
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Don't forget the dump AND malicious, a lot of the deep south politicians fall into this category.
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What does this have to do with Republicans? California is a majority Democratic party state. They can do whatever they want. This has nothing to do with Republicans.
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Dipshit liberals think they can get rid of political trolls and Russian bots this way. It's a team up with the evil and the stupid.
Yes, those poor naive liberals that really are just trying to do good in the world, but sometimes make mistakes. Well, we have to cut them some slack then don't we.
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If they want to track everybody, why aren't the gore sites on that list? I'll never understand why it's okay for kids to see someone get run over by a truck, but holy crap, if they see boob, they'll be ruined.
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So...CA requires you to be 18yrs old to buy just a BB gun!?!?!?
I know they are hard gun control out there, but sheesh...a BB gun?
I bought my first BB guns that I saved for with my allowance when I was like in 4th grade....no ID necessary for buying the BB rifle (Daisy) or ammo (BBs).
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I bought BB and pellet guns (CO2 powered too) all the time when I was a kid. No issues whatsoever, at places like Mr. Wiggs and Buckeye Mart. When I was in my teens I would routinely take my grandfather's pistols, rifles, and shotguns down to the local creek out in the country for target practice. I later joined the Marine Corps and earned rifle expert every single I time I qualified at the range which I'm sure is directly related to my familiarity with the proper use of firearms and not being scared of the
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I don't know many kids who bought a BB gun, but I know a ton of kids who parents bought them one. The thing is, it's not a toy because it can be a bit dangerous, and is often used for vandalism, so you want parental knowledge that the gun is being purchased.
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I had lots of fun as a kid with my BB and later pellet guns....and bought without ID.
That's some Grade A Bullshit right here (Score:2)
You can do a lot of terrible things just by bullying people into silence with clever propaganda and word play.
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No, it's a left wing stronghold, that is, in many ways - literally - indistinguishable. And equally stupid.
Re: This isn't about that (Score:3)
Yeah that. Right and left wing are united in allowing corporations to control everything so that they can get those sweet, sweet kickbacks. They will both sell us up the same river for the same reason.
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What? No it isnt. It's a label used to indicate what a persons views on the scale of government should be. By your own words what you describe is an everyone problem and has nothing to do with right or left politics as moderates are just as bad with this as well.
Re:They never learn (Score:4, Insightful)
There are a lot of parents who find it very difficult to keep their kids off the internet. "Only allow them supervised internet access" is a whole lot easier said than done. They are very eager to support measures that simply change the internet so that it is safer for their kids.
And, of course, they also believe that access to porn is harmful to their kids.
So, you can try convincing all the parents in the country that access to porn is not harmful to kids (good luck) or you can try to convince them all that they should be taking on even more parental burdens and social consequences by hovering over their kid's every opportunity to access the internet (good luck).
There may be some parents who already agree with you on this, but how many are there really? I sure don't know. Be that as it may, parents are a large voting demographic. And their incentives here are pretty clear.
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It's getting to be a tall ask to ask parents to restrict internet access entirely as if you are a parent born in say 1992 you're 32 now but you've had the internet your whole life so why wouldn't your kids?
Like there is a lot of discussion about banning phones in schools, something I am coming around on as a good idea. Teachers seem like they support this idea but one thing I've seen teachers bring up is the fact that if they try to restrict phones in classrooms the parents have more of an issue with that
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My kid needs a phone because there aren't pay phones she can drop a dime in to get in touch with me anymore. Phone stays in the backpack and off at school though. The phone is so she can have independence *after* school.
Re:They never learn (Score:4, Insightful)
I practice what I preach...
I'm an IT geek. My kids had phones before most others, with Internet. I made sure they were old enough to handle them responsibly. Until that time, they'd been supervised. Originally by being there with them, but in later years just making sure to check in periodically.
Parenting well is tough, tedious, inconvenient, and annoying. At least it was for me (the kids are pretty much adults now). It's also what you have to do because you chose to have kids, they didn't choose to exist - until you turn them into adults, they're your responsibility no matter how unfair that seems.
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Parenting well is tough, tedious, inconvenient, and annoying. At least it was for me (the kids are pretty much adults now). It's also what you have to do because you chose to have kids, they didn't choose to exist - until you turn them into adults, they're your responsibility no matter how unfair that seems.
Thankyou for that! If a person doesnt want to do the work then they shouldnt have had kids to begin with! The rest of us shouldnt have to lose freedoms and handover personal information to even more companies because parents dont want to do the job the vast majority of them chose to do.
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"What's fair" and "what wins the votes" don't always coincide.
People are very rarely objective, and much more commonly have perceptions that are skewed in their own favor. When such a skew is held by a large voting demographic, it can become law, no matter how unjust it may be.
This situation is still better than a dictatorship. But it is far from perfect.
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Worst form of government aside from all those tried before, eh? :)
Well that still doesnt mean I cant be a little annoyed by it.
Re: They never learn (Score:2)
They've already been driving them out, that started with the condom rule.
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1) If your kids aren't old enough to be exposed to adult content, they aren't old enough for unsupervised Internet access.
The monkeys in Sacramento believe - they really do - that nobody (but them) is old enough for unsupervised internet access, because you might see something that shows how ridiculous their narrative is and vote for the other guys (who are no different).
2) If age verification is required in CA, people will use services homed elsewhere and use a VPN if necessary. CA porn production is subject to CA laws and generates CA economic activity - two reasons to NOT drive it elsewhere.
As best I can tell, driving all good paying jobs out of California is, in fact, exactly the goal. Once they've done that, all that will be left are the obscenely wealthy and their indentured servants.
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Let's be realistic... virtually all technology these days requires an Internet connection, whether it should or not. Even basic socialization pretty much requires some use of technology. Keeping kids off the Internet is pretty much impossible.
I was a teenager when the Internet was just starting to become available, and I had access to all the seedy stuff in the world, from zillions of pop-up porn ads to StileProject. I turned out okay, and I suspect future generations will as well... as long as the bible
Re: They never learn (Score:3)
Most people have had sex before their 18th birthday.
https://worldpopulationreview.... [worldpopul...review.com]
So porn is supposed to ruin their lives how?
Documentary??? (Score:5, Funny)
Age vs Identity (Score:3)
Re:Age vs Identity (Score:4, Informative)
Technically? Yes.
You need an external party that knows your identity. Government, bank, whoever where you have at some point authenticated.
Then you need some kind of identity federation framework.
Porn site redirects you to identity service with a token and info about the bits of information needed. In this case perhaps age and state of residence, or perhaps just a boolean on whether they are legally old enough in their state.
You, the user get a page asking how you wish to provide your identity, possibly with a menu. You choose whatever identity provider you like and authenticate. The provider (government, bank, etc) returns the information the porn site originally requested - nothing more.
You get a confirmation window saying "the following bits of information are going to be sent to pr0nhub: State: TX, Age: >21", You click accept.
Porn site knows you are adult in your jurisdiction. It doesn't know who you are, only that you were vouched for.
The identity service knows that it was porn site that requested the info - they need a forwarding URL, after all - but even they do not know your full identity.
All technically very feasible.
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It's the government. They know your identity.
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It's the government. They know your identity.
In the solution provided, the identity service and the government / bank / etc. are still kept separate. The government only knows the identity service sent a request for an individual, not the website which initiated the request.
The identity service would need to put in many privacy controls to ensure if the government ever obtained their data that they couldn't trace a specific government request to a specific website request. This would include not storing the individual's data, any unique identifiers us
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Who owns the network?
The telcos which the government has access to. Matching your queries to the site and the validator isn't hard.
Re:Age vs Identity (Score:5, Insightful)
That third party ("Government, bank, whoever where you have at some point authenticated") now has a much more complete list of your activity in the form of web sites you visited and when. Such centralized data seems even more prone to abuse and privacy concerns - esp. if it's the "Government" who you use for authentication (but the "bank" records would also be subject to search warrants and would also, potentially, yield nearly "one stop shopping" for the government or a security black hat).
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???
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Fine, one final time: All this happens in users browser:
Pr0nsite: Token, 'need to know adulthood, state'. Redirect to Identity server at https://idp.com./ [idp.com.]
User sees idp.com coming up with a portal: "I've been requested for your adulthood status and state. I can get the info from the following services, pick which suites you and have an account with: Government/State DMV/Bank/Credit Union/whatever".
User selects the provider. They get yet another redirect to bank.com. Bank.com (or dmv.gov) says: "I've been r
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Technically? No.
We already have what you described. It's called a credit card. How do you know the other person is who they say they are?
Porn, cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, guns, etc... were/are restricted to adults only and yet they were/are in the hands of minors and that's not stuff that is typically downloaded.
This is politics for idiots.
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We already have what you described. It's called a credit card. How do you know the other person is who they say they are?
What makes you think a credit card identifies who you are? There is nothing on my credit card which would help you know who is using it. If I was trying to verify someone's identity, I would start with their drivers license not their credit cards.
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We already have what you described. It's called a credit card. How do you know the other person is who they say they are?
What makes you think a credit card identifies who you are? There is nothing on my credit card which would help you know who is using it. If I was trying to verify someone's identity, I would start with their drivers license not their credit cards.
What makes you think that the new method will be any different? How do you know who is using it?
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The identity service knows that it was porn site that requested the info - they need a forwarding URL, after all -
The identity service doesn't need the URL of the porn site. If it says "I'm resident of Texas, age at least 21", that's enough. My phone would know the forwarding address. And the identity service could be implemented on my phone itself. So I need to add the information to my phone _once_, and that should be enough.
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I'd quote what you said but none of it protects against minors misusing the identity of someone else. Maybe parent, maybe someone who's 18, maybe some other way depending on the weaknesses of the system.
Yes, but that's no different than grabbing your older siblings/parent's porno mags from their secret stash back in the old days. And in case of older sibling, sometimes even with their permission.
Re:Age vs Identity (Score:5, Insightful)
There are at least some possible ways, but even if they claimed to do it, could you trust them? I don't mind the concept of age verification. What I mind is that it eliminates anonymity. It makes it trivial to match viewing habits for everything to your real identity. For most of us, there isn't much to see, but it should still be our choice. More so since we know this isn't going to stay just being about porn. It will end up being pushed into everything. With the info coming out from both corporations and governments, I see no reason to trust any of them with more personal data.
Even if I wanted to be trusting, any system holding this information is a huge hacking target. The idea that these same companies and governments can protect this when they have utterly failed at protecting anything else is a bit much to buy into.
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Re:Age vs Identity (Score:4, Insightful)
Sell age-restricted Visa cards where they sell alcohol and tobacco.
Pay cash, they ID you there, but don't record anything.
$5 cards would be fine for almost everybody.
Porn sites get a list of the 4xxx yyyy prefixes that are compliant and sell $5/yr memberships equivalent to the free level.
But "their" real goal is an "internet driver's license" where everything you look at is tracked to your personhood and reported to a central authority "to prevent terrorism, child abuse, and medical malinformation".
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Sell age-restricted Visa cards where they sell alcohol and tobacco.
Pay cash, they ID you there, but don't record anything.
$5 cards would be fine for almost everybody.
Which then the adult drug addicts or homeless can buy and turn around to sell these to kids waiting just outside at $10 a pop.
Great idea.
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"To watch this next video, you must first solve this differential equation."
I guarantee this will raise high school math scores by leaps and bounds.
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A ID verification service that has a physical booth you go into, create a username and password, then show an actual human your ID and face. On their end, they enter that the logged in account was over 21 as of the verification date.
That's all you need - they store nothing but a username, password, and date (that's not connected to your personal info). You can create as many user/pw accounts as you want so that stuff can't be connected that way.
Anyone storing more information than that, or insisting on a ce
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I don't think this significantly protects children - there are far worst things that porn that a child can get to if they have unrestri
Stupidity (Score:4, Insightful)
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Or uses an open proxy server like every other 10 year old who knows how to use Google.
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Maybe it's just because she only tests at around the 75% percentile in school, but I guarantee you my 10 year old does not know what a proxy server is. Okay fine, she isn't 10 for a couple more months, but I'm certain she won't learn it by then. And that isn't just wishful thinking; I'd be thrilled if she figured it out.
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These laws have absolutely nothing to do with Timmy. This is a bullshit "think of the children!" law to strip anonymity on the net more easily than it already is.
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I agree, but it's even simpler for Timmy than that. It's not as if all the porn sites on the internet are going to adhere to this. And even if California decides to try to block all the ones that don't and succeeds, there is an assload (pun intended) of porn in torrents.
Even if they succeed in blocking all those as well, the 'best' they could achieve is push a bunch of horny teenagers towards sites with semi-porn like Twitch or shady video-chat services.
Only morons who don't understand how the internet and
This has never been about privacy (Score:2)
Coinbase, Kraken and other firms have already proven at scale that you can use AI to process a government ID and selfie pair at scale to recreate a reasonable online version of the IRL act of handing over your government ID for a quick verification.
The porn companies aren't afraid of adults getting doxxed and crap like that because there's no legal requirement to keep the IDs and selfies if you have a provable workflow showing you accept the pair, process it, verify it and then cleanup the data.
No, folks, t
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Setting up an ML to scan an image that contains an ID and verify it is trivial these days.
The problem is it doesn't actually keep someone from just holding up any ID. It can be fake. It can be not even theirs. Heck I can photoshop something that will easily pass an ML check.
> They're afraid of losing some of their best customers: minors.
[Citation Required] Boomers and Gen X are the ones paying for porn. Young people don't bother. They torrent it or just go on Twitter or are more interested in the softcor
100% fine with me if... (Score:2, Interesting)
Just a verification that the owner of this phone has the required age. Plus an option where the owner can say to a random website that they don't trus
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Won't happen. We require every business to store an image of the customer's government-issued identification or a non-prepaid credit card. It's not required to actually verify that the driver's license or state ID is legit with the DMV, just to require that it be virtually presented. If you want to visit the same site every day, then you need to either provide the ID every day, or you need to make an account. Most (all?) sites are just going to force you to make an account.
And yes. Any child can photoshop a
not exactly where the harm to children comes from (Score:2)
The burden for adults doesn't justify the minuscule protection provided to children, especially when we're completely ignoring all the other major sources of injury to children.
Firearm-related injuries, motor vehicle crashes, diet, exercise, access to healthcare, and poverty are the primary sources of injury, death, and poor quality of life for California's children. Focusing on those instead of protecting children from what is statistically a minor or non-issue is the standard that we should hold Sacrament
Won't someone think of the minorities? (Score:3, Insightful)
Won't this disproportionately impact the minorities that aren't able to figure out how to get an ID?
You know, the argument people use against voter ID
Going about it wrong (Score:2)
Require porn sites to have a top-level-domain or some kind of clear marker that indicates it's porn.
Then when parents purchase a device for their children, they can set an OS switch to filter out the marked sites and lock that admin area with a password. Any consumer device that connects to the internet would be required to make it easy for parents to find such an option. Device sellers will be required make sure the device is certified for such. (There will be a grace period for used devices, but over time
Opera browser has a free VPN built in (Score:2)
Just sayin
The *same* people ... (Score:2)
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I just use the bible for all my kinky sex needs.
Ezekiel 23:20 She lusted after her paramours, whose genitals are like those of donkeys, and whose emissions are like those of horses.
There is no "porn" in school libraries. A young adult novel (i.e high school) depicted a same sex relationship and the holier than thou crowd lost their minds. The novel was written to help young people who might be struggling with sexual identity.
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The Fascist Pigs and their Fascist Pig Party (GOP) don't want anyone to be gay though, they want to make it illegal and maybe even just kill gay people, though. Nevermind that there has been homosexuality in humans throughout human history (and likely as long as there's been humans), and that there are examples of it occurring in other animal species as well, they think they can just 'ban' it and it'll magically go away -- all because their tiny brittle little minds can't accept that humans are not black-and-white about everything. But they're more than willing to burn the whole country to the ground trying to erase it from reality anyway.
It's not just gays that bother them. Anything that doesn't adhere to their weird, twisted interpretation of Biblical "law" should be outlawed according to most of them. People who, if you've ever talked to them directly, make it abundantly clear that they never made it past the point where God said, "Let there be light." They have hate and anger and by their God they are determined that it's rooted in their Bible. Praise Jesus, but don't live like him. Treating others with respect is anti-Christian! Accordi
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True, except if you have tattoos, lie, or continually remarry. Those are perfectly fine, but being born gay, nuh uh, that's a sin punishable by death. If you're poor, it's amost as bad as being gay. After all, no poor person ever gave anyone charity [christianpost.com].
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Because they're not really reading the Bible thoroughly, despite claiming to do so. There's so much hypocrisy going on. I also think there is a lot of confusing between religion and culture and many assume something that isn't right according to a culture is also wrong according to a religion. Ie, gotta have a church wedding or it's a sinful wedding - except how did Adam and Eve get married, and who married Abraham and Sarai? The probably didn't even wear white (gasp!). Probably some are the type to tel
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Mental Illness is an awfully harsh term to throw around for homosexuality as every psychological organization in the first world considers it irreversible. All using terms like that accomplishes is to encourage discrimination and make these peoples lives miserable. In other words, using terms like that is a great way to show you really dont give a shit about these people's well being.
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I was thinking more of the trans stuff we see nowadays.
But hey, I guess everything is "normal now", eh?
No matter your sex
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What I said is exactly true of trans stuff as well and all this drama is exactly where we were with gays a couple of decades ago and before that it was black people (can't have them marrying white women or taking up white people space!). I'm curious when our country's conservatives will get tired of being on the wrong side of history and just accept the fact that people are different and difference isn't somehow inherently bad.
No matter your sexual slant....like to fuck animals? Sure, natural
And now you're just being super dishonest throwing out obviously false equivalent
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The updated Miller test [wikipedia.org] used by this vocal minority is "Anything we don't like."
I recall getting my hands on Roots [wikipedia.org], in 3rd Grade, from our elementary school library. Amongst other things, it depicts rape. I wonder if it would qualify as "porn" under this new censorship regime?
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The updated Miller test [wikipedia.org] used by this vocal minority is "Anything we don't like."
I recall getting my hands on Roots [wikipedia.org], in 3rd Grade, from our elementary school library. Amongst other things, it depicts rape. I wonder if it would qualify as "porn" under this new censorship regime?
In the south it will get pulled for depicting slavery in a bad light. https://www.texastribune.org/2... [texastribune.org]
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That's Texas though. The only state to have gone to civil war twice over the issue of slavery. You really can't trust their viewpoints on the issue.
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Exactly. Christians have taken over the Ca state government, that's why they haven't banned the Bible and aren't tracking its readers online.
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Agreed, this "porn is in the schools" is just a bunch of dumb hicks trying to prevent their kids from learning things. "My boy was a good God fearing kid with good grades and praying every night. Then he started reading Catcher in the Rye and the next day I caught him masturbating!"
Yes, some books have sex scenes. Big deal. It's not porn. A lot of parents don't want the kids to know that sex exists until after they're married, and they go to so many futile attempts in that goal. No kid is going to get m
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Examples?
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I find it ironic that people keep talking about book "bans" when schools simply REFUSE TO CARRY porn in their libraries.
Nobody's stopping anyone from going out in public and providing their own kids this crap.
There were over 1500 banned books in USA schools for 2021-2022; that's a LOT of "porn".
https://pen.org/report/banned-... [pen.org]
But I'd wager all those school libraries carry Christian bibles containing the Old Testament which has a fair amount of lurid sexuality.
Why carry those porn-filled pages?
Re:Meanwhile, pushing porn in schools (Score:4, Insightful)
'I find it ironic that people keep talking about book "bans" when schools simply REFUSE TO CARRY porn in their libraries.'
In every school library there's a risqué book that should be banne. :-)
Song of Solomon 4:5-7 (NIV):
"Your breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies. Until the day breaks and the shadows flee, I will go to the mountain of myrrh and to the hill of incense. You are altogether beautiful, my darling; there is no flaw in you."
Song of Solomon 7:7-9 (NIV):
"Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit. I said, 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine."
Ezekiel 23:18-21 (NIV):
"When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her naked body, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."
Genesis 19:32-33 (NIV):
"Let's get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father. That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up."
Re:Meanwhile, pushing porn in schools (Score:4, Insightful)
You mean the book about the penguin with two dads? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
So steamy it made the wallpaper peel!
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ca bans all of the good fireworks any ways!
I lived in California from 1990 to 1998 and I can confirm that the fireworks were crap - nothing that flies or explodes, essentially only loud screeching and sparklers. That never stopped us though. We used to take those ground flower [tntfireworks.com] things that spin around and would drill a small hole in the end opposite the fuse which would allow them to fly in random directions. We would also take these loud screeching things called Piccolo Pete [tntfireworks.com] and wrap them up in duct tape before hammering the shit out of them. This w
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Why didn't you just buy Mexican fireworks like everyone else? It's not like they were hard to find.
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Why didn't you just buy Mexican fireworks like everyone else? It's not like they were hard to find.
Or visit a Chinatown in the lead-up to Chinese New Year?
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Oh yeah, they sold some great stuff too although usually a bit less ka-boom than the Mexican ones but then again you're more likely to lose a hand with the Mexican ones so there's that.
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Now that liberal California has done this, no red states will follow. They can't be seen agreeing.
Yeah, I guess that is why murder and rape are legal in all red states because both are illegal in California.
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Just last week the governor of Texas pardoned a man convicted of murder by a jury of his peers. Seems like murder might be alright in Texas if it's politically popular with the right people?
Link [apnews.com]
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"Abbott announced the pardon shortly after the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles announced a unanimous recommendation that Daniel Perry be pardoned and have his firearms rights restored."
Texas has strong stand your ground laws, the governor was following the recommendation of a group specifically created to prevent miscarriages of justice.
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Every member of the parole board was appointed by Gov. Abbott. And it acted unprecedentedly fast in making its recommendation before the convicted murderer had exhausted any of his options for appealing his conviction.
Reads to me like the politicization of justice has permeated the system. Here I was thinking that, in Texas, of all places, we'd have people standing up for the veteran who got murdered while exercising his first and second amendment rights!
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The governor requested that the board recommend that he grant the pardon.*
*Texas law says that he can only grant pardons if recommended by the board... but does not prohibit him from requesting that they provide certain recommendations to him -and since he appoints the members of the board, they do as he requests.