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Japan's Birth Rate Falls To a Record Low (go.com) 249

Japan's birth rate fell to a new low for the eighth straight year in 2023, according to Health Ministry data released on Wednesday. A government official described the situation as critical and urged authorities to do everything they can to reverse the trend. From a report: The data underscores Japan's long-standing issues of a rapidly aging and shrinking population, which has serious implications for the country's economy and national security -- especially against the backdrop of China's increasingly assertive presence in the region.

According to the latest statistics, Japan's fertility rate -- the average number of babies a woman is expected to have in her lifetime -- stood at 1.2 last year. The 727,277 babies born in Japan in 2023 were down 5.6% from the previous year, the ministry said -- the lowest since Japan started compiling the statistics in 1899. Separately, the data shows that the number of marriages fell by 6% to 474,717 last year, something authorities say is a key reason for the declining birth rate. In the predominantly traditional Japanese society, out-of-wedlock births are rare as people prize family values.

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  • by DrMrLordX ( 559371 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @11:39AM (#64527681)

    Japan has a strong lead in depopulation, but China's posted birth rates are also crashing.

    • Its not that similar. China is undergoing a demographic transition:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

          in the absolutely classical sociology sense.

      Japans issue is a fundamentally different issue that doesn't have such a clear cause.

             

      • by serafean ( 4896143 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:01PM (#64527763)

        Japan is just one or two generations ahead of the curve. Most of the developed world is going into inverted population pyramid territory.
        Some are currently mitigating it through migration, but that has its own issues, and can't go on forever.

        China will go through a population crash in the coming decades... As will Europe.

      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        Japans issue is a fundamentally different issue that doesn't have such a clear cause.

        Yes, it does. The perennially overworked Japanese are foregoing having kids. It's that simple. Combine that with women finally getting out from the male-dominated society and taking control of their own lives, they are either putting off having kids until later, or not having them at all. And finally, the younglings who fully admit they'd rather watch hentai and play games than meet someone.
        • And finally, the younglings who fully admit they'd rather watch hentai and play games than meet someone.

          I could be totally off the mark here; but your comment prompts me to wonder if the Web has anything to do with the failure of young people in developed countries to get together and have kids.

          There are probably lots of factors, including income uncertainty - which itself may be increased by the Web and by technology it enables. Also by social media - I think possibly a lot of younger people are handicapped in their in-person interactions because Facebook and Twitter set such shitty examples and expectations

          • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:49PM (#64527933)

            people decide to not have children because of how shitty it seems

            The problem with this hypothesis is the shittier the situation, the more kids people have.

            Niger is the world's poorest country, has the lowest literacy rate, and is currently having both a civil war and a famine. It also has the world's highest birth rate, at 6.8 babies per woman.

            It is prosperous countries with growing economies where birth rates are dropping fastest.

            • Congratulations! (Score:4, Interesting)

              by denzacar ( 181829 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @02:06PM (#64528257) Journal

              You just managed to conflate and confuse rape and infant mortality [worldbank.org] (that civil war and a famine thing) with precariousness of existence under capitalism (that prosperous countries with growing economies thing.)
              And still, even Niger's birth rate has been declining for decades now. [worldbank.org]

              Thing is, we were always capable of procreating like fuckin cats - and we've always been practicing some kind of birth control to reign that in. Mainly, cause there was never enough food.
              Until we hit the industrial revolution. [worldometers.info]
              And what a koinkidink - Japan's boost in population [statista.com] just so happens to coincide with them being dragged into said industrial revolution by Chandler from Friends. [wikipedia.org] RIP King, taken too soon.

              We've been reaping the benefits of increased food supply, healthcare advances, general increase in quality of life, fucking science, etc. for centuries now - without a cultural or other kind of limitation to our breeding.
              It is slowly dawning on our primitive reptile brains that we don't need to act like cats.

              All it took was a general negative outlook of the future through over-exploitation of limited natural resources without equitable benefits of said exploitation, AS we near the collapse of the planetary ecosystem - thanks to said exploitation.
              And people wonder why depression is in our genes. [nih.gov] Might have something to do with not ending up eating the branch the entire species is sitting on.

              • Not that it means we shouldn't hunt the rich for sport and/or sustenance. We absolutely should.
                And it is morally perfectly fine to hunt down a Musk or Gates with a bow and arrow, spear or even a gun if you're into that kind of thing.
                They made a personal choice to be rich and exploit all those resources WHILE not arming themselves with an army or two, hiding behind a giant wall and a moat.

                You know... Just as the founding fathers intended.
                That tree of liberty needs watering. And I hear it prefers that RICH bl

            • Exactly, that is a compleletly at odds with the data. This is something else.

              Sociology, for all it's silly misapplications and overstatements, is a legitimate field of study with logically and rationally justifiable conclusions. I would suggest everybody start with "demographic transition" if they want to really understand these sorts of large-scale trends

              BTW, the current developed world is as safe, wealthy, comfortable, equitable, and convenient as

            • Indeed. To a large degree children are born out of 1) boredom and 2) lack of birth control.

              The reality is that no matter how poor you are, sex is always available as a distraction, and for some really poor people that's basically all they have.

              And realistically, when given the option to artificially limit how often they get pregnant, many women choose to limit their pregnancies to below the minimum needed to maintain the population.

              Eventually we've got to solve that problem. While no individual women shou

            • It's about how much manual labor you need. People have all those kids because they're using them as manual labor and is a retirement program to take care of them when they're too old to work.

              As soon as a nation modernizes you drastically reduce the amount of manual labor being done because no matter how little money or food you give to a person they can't really compete with a machine.

              And so people stop having kids because they lack the resources and motivation to do so
              • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @05:14PM (#64528863)

                people stop having kids because they lack the resources

                This is the exact opposite of reality.

                People with the fewest resources have the most kids.

                The poorest countries have the highest birth rates.

                In rich countries, poor people have more kids than prosperous people.

                Birth rates don't decline because of a "lack of resources". All the evidence says the opposite. Fewer resources means more kids.

            • by mjwx ( 966435 )

              people decide to not have children because of how shitty it seems

              The problem with this hypothesis is the shittier the situation, the more kids people have.

              Niger is the world's poorest country, has the lowest literacy rate, and is currently having both a civil war and a famine. It also has the world's highest birth rate, at 6.8 babies per woman.

              It is prosperous countries with growing economies where birth rates are dropping fastest.

              Yep,

              Because in developed countries it's expensive to have kids... It's the opposite in undeveloped countries, it's cheap to have kids and not only that kids are the 401k... There's no state pension, no superannuation nest eggs, not even any saving for your retirement because there's no money to put away. Their kids are going to be the ones who will take care of them in old age so having more means that you'll get better care.

              Japan is a bit of special case where the rigid social structures seem to be m

          • It's worth considering that the Internet also allows people to find information. Information such as the constant chatter about overpopulation. And some may actually make an informed decision not to have kids just to not be "Part of the problem."

            Or the general disgust in humanity altogether. It's like we've hit a point where our entire species is looking at ourselves and going, "What the fuck? Maybe the universe would be better off without us." The information age is glorious. Until it shines a spotlight on

            • I partially agree, but I'd say it's the filth that's the problem, not the light on it. Make it miserable for families: get fewer families. Make it impossibly expensive to support a kid, people won't have kids. Provoke home prices to rise to the moon with ZIRP, stupid AF zoning laws, and by denying as many building permits as possible and young people won't see either families or babies as great options, especially young men forced to live with parents longer than they'd like. Encourage young guys to act in
              • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

                by cayenne8 ( 626475 )
                You left out one...Encourage young men to no longer act like MEN. Declare masculinity to be something that is bad or toxic.

                Doing this, you also will observe women scorning men....because they generally do not want to date another woman, they want a strong man in many of the traditional roles in a relationship, even if they often state the obvious. They want confident, decisive men, protectors...providers.

                The trouble is, with woman being "strong and independent"...you're teaching them now not to offer any

                • the 1950s would like their opinions back pls thx
                  • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @04:17PM (#64528729) Homepage Journal

                    the 1950s would like their opinions back pls thx

                    And if you notice...in the 1950's...and even later, you didn't see the population dropping, we had replacement birth rates, we didn't have women complaining incessantly that they can't find "good men" and that they are lonely and facing life after 30yrs alone with their cats, etc....

                    You didn't see the suicide rates of men as high as now....

                    For the faults they had back then...we seemed to have more happier men and women and intact families of all races.

          • I could be totally off the mark here; but your comment prompts me to wonder if the Web has anything to do with the failure of young people in developed countries to get together and have kids.
            It is television.
            Birth rates dropped in the late 1960s and 1970s when television became "wide spread" all over the world.

            Regarding developed countries: unless you find kids cute and think it is worth the effort to spent 20 years with one or two: why would any one want to have kids? Seriously? Unless you simply love the

      • by BeepBoopBeep ( 7930446 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:33PM (#64527887)
        This is very true, China and Japan have different root causes of demographic collapse. They both will end up with the same outcome, too many old people for a much smaller working population to support, with high levels of cost of living relative to income. China is especially unique where they have too many dudes, and not enough woman - outcome of 1 child policy where female babies were terminated in preference of males. The 1 child policy is now continuing on its own due to choice, not by policy. Chila's population peaked years ago when the census was made public last year. I mean, who the hell wants to raise a family of 2 kids, when your dwelling is like 600 sq-ft stacked like a sardine in mega cities? Most Asia doesn't have the concept of a suburb due to land rights.
    • I retrospectively changed how I felt about the "one child policy" a bit when I looked back at their birth rate over time. It actually was falling even before the policy. And after they let up on it and said, "ok, y'all can have babies again," it actually decreased further. And it's even lower in neighboring countries with no such policy.

      Don't get me wrong, none of the above changes the fact that "one child (or else!)" was an oppressive policy. But it was more in line with majority culture than I had a

      • so easy to get around that it had little impact. And they removed it as soon as they ran out of cheap labor from the rural villages. This is just modernization.
      • If China had not enacted the one child policy we had now 10 billion Chinese on the planet instead of just 1.5 billion.
        The countries around China are mostly "not communist" ... so TV and birth prevention popped up more or less same time as the one child policy in China.

        My ex GF is 52. 14th child of a woman, who was over 60 when my GF was born. The mother did not think she could get pregnant again. When my GF was about 12, her mother educated her in birth control. Smiling: I was so old, I di not think I could

    • As soon as even a smidge of the population enters the 20th century let alone the 21st. Africa's the only big country left with positive birth rates and they're rapidly modernizing. As soon as they do the same thing'll happen there.

      The added stress of modern life doesn't help matters either. It's pretty well documented that mammals cut back on children. And the way modern life works you're in a 24/7 state of flight or fight. There's zero job security and these days not even much housing and food security
      • There's zero job security and these days not even much housing and food security. Animals don't breed under those circumstances and humans are still animals.

        ^^^ +1 Insightful.

      • Modern life has such and abundance of food that we have an obesity epidemic. Compare to the stresses of persistence hunting or other societies and tribal groups where there is no next meal until it's been chased down. It's an increase in societal wealth that is correlated with people having fewer children. People no longer need to have large families to ensure that someone will be there to support them in their old age. If you don't have to chase after wild animals for food, it's easy to be productive even
      • There's zero job security and these days not even much housing and food security.

        The people with the least financial security are having the most children.

      • The added stress of modern life doesn't help matters either. It's pretty well documented that mammals cut back on children. And the way modern life works you're in a 24/7 state of flight or fight. There's zero job security and these days not even much housing and food security. Animals don't breed under those circumstances and humans are still animals.

        Thank you for putting that message into a succinct summary.

  • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @11:43AM (#64527687) Homepage Journal
    ...new law...MANDATORY school girl outfits for all women 24/7.....
  • by fleeped ( 1945926 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @11:43AM (#64527695)
    If they prize family values and they opt not to have families, sounds like, well, they don't prize them *as much* really? Anybody can make sense of this?
    • Like everywhere it's a mish-mash of changing values - the past in which the birth rate became unsustainably high as agriculture etc got more productive, then the present which is unsustainably low as birth control is available everywhere and people value money over all else, and the future, which will definitely be different from the past and the present.
    • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @11:55AM (#64527731)

      It's difficult to have a family if you're the stereotypical "company man". Spending long hours every day at work and then spending all night getting shit faced with your boss. Working less hours or not participating is seen as disrespectful to the company culture. You definitely won't get promoted if you choose to abstain.

      • by fleeped ( 1945926 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:23PM (#64527837)
        So, company culture is valued higher than family then clearly, if the former is preferred overwhelmingly to the latter
        • So, company culture is valued higher than family then clearly, if the former is preferred overwhelmingly to the latter

          I think that in some circumstances, company effectively becomes family. And since that part of the 'family' provides the resources to clothe, house, and feed your actual blood relatives, it's easy for it to take on what some might see as too high a priority.

          I also think there's a decent PhD thesis to be had on the similarities between corporations and cults, which are famous for separating and even alienating family members.

        • "Family values" doesn't mean families are valued.

          It means that social scorn is heaped on nonconformists.

      • Companies stopped giving out promotions to internal employees ages ago. Now the only way to get ahead is to move to another company. You are right that we've jacked up the hours to crazy levels though, in America we work more hours than the f****** Japanese...

        When you poll people though the same things keep coming up they can't afford childcare if they even could afford to date enough to get a spouse. An average work week of over 50 hours is just a cherry on that s*** cake. I mean what the hell is the po
    • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:27PM (#64527861) Journal
      If they prize family values and they opt not to have families, sounds like, well, they don't prize them *as much* really? Anybody can make sense of this?

      It's like the people in this country who claim to have "family values" while genuflecting to a convicted felon who's on his third marriage, has cheated on all three wives, has raped at least one woman, and assaulted several others.
      • I think the average IQ of Japanese people who showcase this discrepancy is far higher than the average non-rich Trump voter, so maybe not exactly the same :)
      • by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:41PM (#64527919) Journal

        Yes, it was a big day for the Christian law and order crowd when their leader was convicted of multiple felonies for paying hush money to an adult film star with whom he had an affair just after the birth of his fifth child by his third wife.

        • Let's get this right... the crime itself was cheating in the Presidential election by falsifying business records to hide those activities.
          • Let's get this right... the crime itself was cheating in the Presidential election by falsifying business records to hide those activities.

            Which, in any other court in the US would have been thrown out....thankfully, this likely will be overturned on appeal.

            This was at best a misdemeanor.....

            • No, you are mistaken.

              Falsifying business records alone is a misdemeanor. In New York, falsifying them in aid of another crime is a felony. Trump was found guilty of falsifying the records in service of other crimes.

                Which, in any other court in the US would have been thrown out.

              So Trump should be immune to breaking New York laws in New Your because laws are different in other states. That's... not how the law works.

              • Except in this trial, they never showed what election laws he broke?

                And there is SCOTUS precedent to be observed in that there is a ruling stating that if an activity/payment would be made in a non-election situation, then it cannot be ruled an election contribution....and people pay hush money to others in real life non-election situations.

                I'm pretty sure that will come up on appeal.

            • Which, in any other court in the US would have been thrown out....

              Bullshit. In MOST countries he'd be held in custody for tampering with an election.

          • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @03:22PM (#64528529) Journal
            Let's get this right... the crime itself was cheating in the Presidential election by falsifying business records to hide those activities.

            Nope, not quite right. He didn't cheat in the presidential election. It was about lying to cover up illegal campaign contributions [factcheck.org] and falsifying business records during the commission of that crime.

            âoeUnder New York state law, it is a felony to falsify business records with an intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime,â Bragg said in the press conference after the arraignment. âoeThat is exactly what this case is about.â

            âoeWhy did Donald Trump repeatedly make these false statements? The evidence will show that he did so to cover up crimes relating to the 2016 election,â Bragg said.

            But so much for the "law and order" crowd. Because who doesn't falsify their business records to cover up sleeping with a porn start while you're third wife is pregnant so the public doesn't know about another affair you've had while you're trying to run for president?

    • > Anybody can make sense of this?

      Bank of Japan has kept a lock on interest rates for, what, 30 years?

      It has stifled growth and made people much more poor in real terms creating a jobs scarcity and hypercompetition for extant jobs (10/6+) which sucks for family relations.

      Too many Japanese guys are superstressed and become alcoholics to try to cope.

      Japan is locked into a positive feedback loop now - same as the US since Greenspan.

      They can't unwind it without significant pain so they will let it explode at

    • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @02:17PM (#64528303) Journal

      If they prize family values and they opt not to have families, sounds like, well, they don't prize them *as much* really?

      You can respect family values by not having kids outside of marriage and not getting married before you are willing and able to commit the time and effort to having and raising a family. Respect for family values does not mean that you have to have a family.

    • "family values" doesn't mean family, it means a particular brand of conservatism. One that's particularly limiting on women's choices. Women it seems when given the choice between a career and independence or children while being completely dependent have on average, chosen independence.

      This is not specific to Japan.

  • by twms2h ( 473383 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @11:47AM (#64527701) Homepage

    I can't get those pictures out of my head now.

  • by Tyr07 ( 8900565 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @11:53AM (#64527723)

    It's almost like traditionally there was a reason cultures and religions focused on having children and prioritizing family / having a family.

    Places stopped doing that, corporations are largely responsible for this as they control advertising as well, and turned into 'You want things, you need money, get as much money as you can. Divorce for money? Do it! Not having kids to spend more money on productions and vacation? Do it! Get married? Why do that! You would have more money to spend if you didn't! Saving money as a family? No! You should all work and spend your money.

    Spending time at home with family? Don't do that! Work late, work longer, you get more money! Money is what you want. You don't need a husband, you need a career! You don't need a wife, you're a chad, money will get you everything you need, so just work more instead!

    Well, people started buying the message, men and woman, and it turned a family into a bad deal for men quickly, and told woman they can everything and be happy without a family...it takes time for these kind of things to shake out and see the true results but..uh...here we are.

    When one person could work, can have a house, live reasonably comfortable and support a family, birthrates were up, people were happier. Everyone has been squeezed for profits and maximizing working, and these are the results of that.

    • by Gilgaron ( 575091 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:07PM (#64527779)
      I think its more simply that in a agricultural setting, children are part of your labor force. Additionally they can do craft work to make baskets, spoons, and so on. In an industrialized society, they are economically a cost to the family, and artisanal labor is replaced by factory output. The reason the tweens have time to play on their phones is because they don't have to make nails at the fireplace so that a new barn can be raised in the spring. You also don't have to have near as many to be sure that some will survive to adulthood thanks to vaccination and medical advances.
      • by Tyr07 ( 8900565 )

        I agree other factors are applying to it of course. Your example ties into mine, working with your family at a family store, farm or business is still spending time, raising, and taking care of children. Instead, they're considered a hinderance because not only should you work more, you need to pay someone else to take care of your children because they're not part of your work life.

        Family was life before, including for work, survival and more. Now it's get in the office, make money, you need money, men and

    • they just plain need it. The stay at home mom you're pining for was a *very* brief artifact of the 1950s post war bubble. Before that women were in the home because there was a fuck ton of work that needed to be done at home. You were literally cooking everything from scratch with manual labor and making/mending your own clothing.

      We didn't change culture, we stopped paying people enough that somebody could stay home and raise kids. Then we stopped paying them enough they could pay someone else to raise
      • by Tyr07 ( 8900565 )

        As always it's the economy stupid.

        Is this personal? Did you just call me stupid when my entire post was about being how to the focus on the economy shifted it and my last line was exactly that point? The economic shift was the cultural impact? Because people were told to sacrifice all that for the economy because it's better?

        When one person could work, can have a house, live reasonably comfortable and support a family, birthrates were up, people were happier. Everyone has been squeezed for profits and maximizing working, and these are the results of that.

        Don't be a goof, goof.

    • You don't need a husband, you need a career! You don't need a wife, you're a chad, money will get you everything you need, so just work more instead!

      There's one trouble here...these things aren't equal, because men don't have the ticking biological clock that women have.

      Men can easily wait around, gather wealth and grab younger women.

      Women lose their value quickly as they leave their twenties...

    • I have personally always thought that the one test that truly matters is the test of time. "Traditional" society showed its resilience by birthing mankind and getting us this far, will "modern" society survive this test? I am rather skeptical.

  • by Rinnon ( 1474161 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @11:57AM (#64527745)
    It would be an adjacent solution to reconsider the current position on immigration. At least from an economic perspective, if you're concerned about having less people in the future, why not invite more people? Japan is a very desirable place to live, I'm sure they could bring in as many people as they wanted if there was a desire to, though as I understand it the current policy is that there is not an overwhelming desire to.
    • by Tyr07 ( 8900565 )

      That's basically an invasion if it's at scale, because too many immigrants at once slows or stops assimilation. They don't come to japan and become japanese, and adopt japanese culture. They bring their own and replace it.

      That's not fixing the birthrate issue, that's replacing your population / country with another one. Immigration is great but it is something that needs to be done at a rate infrastructure and assimilation can keep up with.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        You can barely exist in Japan without assimilation or someone to basically babysit you.
        You can live there for a decade and still not understand everything despite trying pretty hard.

        • I knew someone who moved to Japan with his wife early 90s for a several year assignment. He said "the longer we live here, the more alien it seems."
          • I lived in Tokyo and Kyoto over a two year span while working for a subsidiary of NTT Docomo. I learned Japanese, still have Japanese friends, and didn't have the slightest problem understanding the culture. I'd studied it quite a bit as a kid, but that was mostly ancient Japanese culture and Samurai warrior-scholars. Modern Japan is quite different, but I didn't find it "alien" at all. I found them quite human and I love it.
      • by nucrash ( 549705 )

        The United States was built on immigration. So many cultures blended together that sometimes people don't remember where certain cultural norms came from.

        In countries such as Japan, they are large enough that unless we are talking about entry of 1% of their current population or more, there isn't going to be an invasion.

        • by Tyr07 ( 8900565 )

          I don't know if your numbers add up, if their population is in decline, and they need enough immigration to keep the numbers up, the japanese population will keep declining, and yeah...so.

    • by Tyr07 ( 8900565 )

      P.S The same problems that caused the birthrate to fall will then impact your immigrants as well. Working too much, focus on money instead of family, all that, the problem will repeat. You need to fix the underlying cause.

    • by Asteconn ( 2468672 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:02PM (#64527765)

      Importing people to fill an economic need as a policy tends not to be very popular with people already living in a location. Equally, it gives political opponents who are happy to seize on those fears something to wield and amplify, giving them a convenient underclass that they can demonize for their benefit.

      Case in point: every nation in Europe and North America.

      • Importing people to fill an economic need as a policy tends not to be very popular with people already living in a location.

        Unless you live here in Ontario, where you're quite happy to see nurses who came here from other countries. If you didn't see them, you might not see any nurse at all for quite a while.

    • no it's not a good place to live. They work long hours in a corporocracy culture. Plus, they dislike foreigners.
    • If the migrants bring their parents after naturalization it's of limited benefit. Especially after you import enough to get a decent size parallel society going, this is a significant risk for everything but first world migrants and guarantueed for the basket cases.

    • every other country on the planet has the same problem. It's only a matter of time before they stop letting their young people leave.
  • by MpVpRb ( 1423381 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:27PM (#64527863)

    Endless growth is impossible
    We need steady-state sustainability

    • by sunderland56 ( 621843 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @12:39PM (#64527911)

      This.

      It's rediculous to run "global warming planet dying" articles in a newspaper right next to "OMG we need more humans on the planet" ones.

      • We need more humans, we don't need more consumers. The problem is that modern society promises the cake and is eating it too.
        The planet can handle more people just fine. It's just that everyone won't have access to a pocket AI on an iPhone they will change yearly.

  • by Talon0ne ( 10115958 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @01:03PM (#64528017)

    Just a guess.

  • The woke left has completely missed why birth rates are falling. Women choose to have babies when they have a stable partner. If young men can't start a career and a couple can't have a low risk home where they think they will stay, that has a reasonable commute and a passible school then women won't get married/move in with a man with the intent to have children. We have created a society where most women will go onto higher education, they will expect a man as educated as them and they will either want
    • We're talking about Japan and you seriously start a paragraph with "the woke left"? What's wrong with you? Not everything is about your political leanings and pet peeves.
    • they will expect a man as educated

      Whut.

      You think the woke left has somehow missed that women should have some standards and not have to settle for less just because?

      I'd rather say that's precisely our position.

      So much so that most young couples, even if they own their own home, won't feel financially secure enough to have more than 1 or 2 children.

      You think the left hasn't been banging on about the housing crisis? Or the hoarding of wealth by the few. Or the instability faced by the youth of today? Do you

  • it would seem. Same pattern everywhere in the rich world: no struggle, no purpose, no point to procreate. In some instances somewhat amplified or moderated by local cultural effects, like in Japan, but the principle holds. Just nature keeping the books in balance, I guess.
  • Japan has three? choices:

    Review their immigration policies to allow for economic growth that way;

    Radically reform their economic system away from one that is dependent on growth;

    Do nothing & wait for economic collapse.

    What other options are there?
    • As others above have pointed out, they have some cultural issues that prevent more children from being born. So another option is the change their culture so life is less about "corporate family" and more about "home family" in hopes of promoting more marriage and children. I don't see that happening though as culture is pretty hard to change.
    • Radically reform their economic system away from one that is dependent on growth;

      Why do people push the notion that population a crash is only harmful due to "capitalism" or "the drive for endless growth"?

      Children are literally the future. No children, no future. It's very simple. And in the interim, there isn't an economic system on earth that will allow a few young adults to support a huge number of older ones. Regardless of how many pieces of paper money the old people accumulated during their p

  • by larryjoe ( 135075 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @05:37PM (#64528923)

    Most developed countries have low fertility rates, rates that are below replacement level. This includes the United States, which at 1.67 to 1.89 (depending on which source you believe) is significantly below the estimated 2.1 threshold for replacement (or a stable population). Population shrinkage would be bad for the US (as it is becoming for Japan and other countries). The one saving grace for the US is immigration, without which the US economy would be significantly smaller.

  • by RubberDogBone ( 851604 ) on Thursday June 06, 2024 @06:29PM (#64529043)

    This problem is impossible to solve. Educated women tend to have fewer children. Education enables opportunities doing things besides being a parent, like working full time.

    Many Japanese women who work earn enough to sustain themselves and provide for some luxury goods or travel, without needing a partner. They are happy as they are.

    Asking them to be a parent means sacrificing all of that in favor of being a mom who stays at home, because daycare and similar childcare is in extremely short supply and there is almost no government support for working moms. Thus an educated and employed woman accustomed to managing her own life is basically asked to surrender everything and take on the wife and mom role and jumper costume that goes with it. It's no wonder few want to do that.

    What is in it for her except some sort of duty to country? It's absolutely not enticing. The government offers pathetic incentives to have kids and does nothing to support women who do choose that path.

    On the men's side, many of them aren't even particularly interested in starting a family.

    The only way this is ever going to be "solved" is to take unprecedented drastic measures like forbidding women from working jobs above menial level, to force them to marry to survive and hope that produces enough children. This is not going to happen. Nobody would stand for it.

    There just soon won't be enough people to stand for or against it either way. Japan has very little time left to fix it and a terrible really bad track record of poor attempts to do anything -IF they even take it seriously at all.

    • Actually in Japan and Western Europe; Mom’s, parents really, have tones of financial support. Including for daycare. However it hasn’t made much of a difference. More than anything else it is the cost of real estate, aka a home home with rooms for multiple children and the societal expectation they sacrifice their career while the father is punished if they do. I think those factors play just as big a roll as women perfecting career advancement to motherhood. Or at a minimum having one or two ki
  • by sonoronos ( 610381 ) on Friday June 07, 2024 @08:08PM (#64531897)

    Given that the population density of the country is much higher than that of the UK, a country which seems to be surviving just fine with about half the population of Japan, Japan is in no danger of disappearing.

    Given the huge population boom in the latter half of the 20th century, it seems to stand that perhaps this is less of a problem and more of a renormalization. Maybe the people of the country will be happier for it.

    Unpopular opinion, but hey, thatâ(TM)s what slashdot is for.

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