For Video of Helicopter Shooting Fireworks at Lamborghini, YouTube Influencer Faces 10 Years in Prison (msn.com) 131
An anonymous reader shared this report from the Washington Post:
A YouTuber who posted a Fourth of July video in which passengers on a low-flying helicopter shot fireworks at a speeding Lamborghini is facing a federal charge tied to the stunt.
Suk Min Choi, 24, who runs a YouTube channel under the name Alex Choi, was charged Thursday with causing the placement of an explosive or incendiary device on an aircraft, the Justice Department announced. He arranged to have the helicopter fly over the El Mirage Dry Lakebed near Los Angeles in June 2023 for a video titled "Destroying a Lamborghini With Fireworks," according to a complaint filed in the Central District Court of California. The video, released on July 4, shows scenes akin to an action film as Choi laughs while driving the Lamborghini and helicopter-launched fireworks ricochet off the car, enveloping it in sparks...
Choi faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted, according to the Justice Department.
More details from NBC Los Angeles: Federal authorities said radar data from the day of the video shoot showed that the helicopter left an airport in Pacoima, California, around 1:53 p.m. and turned toward El Mirage Lake, a dry lake in California, where the video was filmed. The helicopter's transponder was then turned off, according to the affidavit. The helicopter reappeared on the radar and flew back to the airport just before 9 p.m., the document says.
The pilot initially told an FAA inspector that he did not know anything about the El Mirage video, according to the affidavit. In a follow-up call, he told inspectors that he did not want Choi to know he was speaking with them and said "Choi was doing unsafe activities involving cars and aircraft." In January, the FAA issued an emergency order revoking the pilot's private pilot certification, the affidavit says.
Suk Min Choi, 24, who runs a YouTube channel under the name Alex Choi, was charged Thursday with causing the placement of an explosive or incendiary device on an aircraft, the Justice Department announced. He arranged to have the helicopter fly over the El Mirage Dry Lakebed near Los Angeles in June 2023 for a video titled "Destroying a Lamborghini With Fireworks," according to a complaint filed in the Central District Court of California. The video, released on July 4, shows scenes akin to an action film as Choi laughs while driving the Lamborghini and helicopter-launched fireworks ricochet off the car, enveloping it in sparks...
Choi faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted, according to the Justice Department.
More details from NBC Los Angeles: Federal authorities said radar data from the day of the video shoot showed that the helicopter left an airport in Pacoima, California, around 1:53 p.m. and turned toward El Mirage Lake, a dry lake in California, where the video was filmed. The helicopter's transponder was then turned off, according to the affidavit. The helicopter reappeared on the radar and flew back to the airport just before 9 p.m., the document says.
The pilot initially told an FAA inspector that he did not know anything about the El Mirage video, according to the affidavit. In a follow-up call, he told inspectors that he did not want Choi to know he was speaking with them and said "Choi was doing unsafe activities involving cars and aircraft." In January, the FAA issued an emergency order revoking the pilot's private pilot certification, the affidavit says.
FAFO (Score:1)
That is all.
Fireworks and explosives are heavily regulated (Score:5, Informative)
When Mythbusters used explosives, they followed the rules, got inspections and permits along with all the safety support
These clowns acted irresponsibly
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Still stupid though, just asking for all the wrong attention with how they went about it.
Re:Fireworks and explosives are heavily regulated (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not about the fee, it's about regulating the actions to keep things safe for the general public. Otherwise dumbasses like the ones we're discussing here will spread and start to get ideas like, "hey, I should do this in heavy traffic because it'll be cooler". And then somebody dies.
If we didn't have to worry about people escalating until someone died, we wouldn't need the regulations.
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4th of July. Which means summer in the US. Fireworks can often be regulated because of wildfires in certain parts of the country. Consumer fireworks or industrial fireworks, same.
Because well, "fire". One dud going off in the distance can lead to a raging wildfire that then takes out a town because no one saw it and it was left to smoulder for a few hours.
Sometimes it doesn't take much, which is why permits and other things are often required.
And yes, stupid stunts abound - we saw what happened with drones
Re:Fireworks and explosives are heavily regulated (Score:5, Insightful)
Nothing you have said leads to what you are describing.
The guy in question very nearly killed a motorcyclist back in March. Yes it leads to what was being described. This was not controlled at all. The fact that someone didn't come down the road while he was doing his little attention whoring stunt was pure luck.
He didn't get a permit so fine him like you fine someone who runs in a store and grabs a bunch of clothes and runs out.
He didn't do the paperwork according to the law so he gets punished with the appropriate article of the law. What is happening is up to the court to decide. The reality is the specific law he violated can net him up to 20 years in prison. Maybe after years of legal school you can work your way up to being a judge and then you get to decide what the outcome should be.
What disproportionate response
There has been no response. He is facing a punishment as written on paper. But as usual, someone like you jumps to conclusions and name calls. That is what is truly pathetic.
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The guy in question very nearly killed a motorcyclist back in March. Yes it leads to what was being described.
Hm... nearly killing a guy on a motorcycle leads to a (best as I can tell) harmless fireworks stunt? Or this fireworks stunt lead to him time traveling to the past to nearly kill a motorcycle guy? Why not put him in jail for nearly killing someone instead of for lighting himself up?
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Dude this is a helicopter. I know about . that much about them, and have training in dealing with crashes and fires.
This is an appeal to my authority but you sound absolutely deranged.
Permitting for something like this includes a bunch of safety checks including "are you doing this somewhere safe"
Otherwise say he didn't do this in the middle of nowhere.
and since he did do this in the middle of nowhere who is going to deal with the wreckage when it crashes. sure we can let these consenting adults burn unti
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Because Suk Min Choi is a fucking moron with no idea what he is doing nor how to do any of it safely for himself, those around him, and the environment. It doesn't matter that "nothing bad happened" this time. It's not even in the same ballpark as someone stealing clothes. Personally, I hope Suk Min Choi loses every penny and becomes homeless, because he is worthless human garbage just like anyone watching his videos or defending his actions.
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If you have your pilot's license (Score:4, Insightful)
If you have your pilot's license, you've already been told about the regulations multiple times.
It's not like this clown had no warning, and the regulations didn't get written for no reason (they're rarely proactively created) - at some point somebody got hurt and that has costs associated with it that the rest of us aren't willing to tolerate.
Don't like it? Find some place that cares less about these things and fill your boots.
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I sincerely doubt that "causing the placement of an explosive or incendiary device on an aircraft" is prohibited because someone got hurt by shooting fireworks from an aircraft. It seems like a rule to enable convicting terrorists even if their "explosive or incendiary device" fails. It is however very clear that the rule covers fireworks shot from an aircraft too, even if everybody in the vicinity is a consenting adult. Should've applied for a permit.
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No permit would have been forthcoming, so this is just a way of saying he shouldn't have done it at all.
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Worse stuff has been permitted in the interest of entertainment. It's not free and you can't do it haphazardly like these folks though.
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If you know the right people you can get it done. If you're outside those networks, you just get denied.
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sincerely doubt that "causing the placement of an explosive or incendiary device on an aircraft" is prohibited because someone got hurt by shooting fireworks from an aircraft
Dude launching fireworks and blowing yourself up was probably like the first thing anyone did after consumer helicopters hit the market.
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First was probably photography - which is restricted too in Canada at least, probably in the name of keeping you focused on flying. I've seen illegally produced publications where nobody got charged, though.
After that comes buzzing buildings or people, and after that flying through clouds without radar and instruments to do so safely.
As my instructor said, "I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you're not supposed to".
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You may sincerely doubt that anyone has died in an airborne pyrotechnics incident, but I'm sincerely convinced, all on my own.
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Turing off the transponder all day and then lying about everything certainly didn't help his case.
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Turing off the transponder all day and then lying about everything certainly didn't help his case.
And certainly not an obvious lie:
The pilot initially told an FAA inspector that he did not know anything about the El Mirage video, according to the affidavit.
Didn't know *anything*? I mean, he was there and (I imagine) there are records. Unless he's a deaf and blind helicopter pilot ... or somehow didn't notice the fireworks shooting out of the vehicle he was piloting.
Lets all go watch his video (Score:2)
and earn him some more clikz, because that's what he so desperately wants...
Why target Choi? (Score:3)
It appears that the pilot who allowed him to put the fireworks on the helicopter is to blame. Doesn't Hollywood like competition? Or is this the FAA looking to justify their existence?
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They go after Choi the same way they'd go after you if you ordered a murderer to whack someone.
You're assuming Choi knew he was doing wrong (Score:4, Insightful)
If he's an averagely knowledgeable person he's far more likely to assume that there wasn't a problem and merely paid the pilot to do something he believed to be legal. It should have been the PILOT that stopped this happening, surely?
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If he's an averagely knowledgeable person he's far more likely to assume that there wasn't a problem and merely paid the pilot to do something he believed to be legal.
Ignorance is not a defence: "Ignorantia juris non excusat". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
That does not seem to me the kind of situations where one would invoke ignorance. It's not a tourist who got lost and ended up on a forbidden land without knowledge. What Choi does is to run a production house (a youtube channel but still, he has a team, he hires people, he films movies, and he earns money from views; that's what movie production businesses do). When you start a business that's not a simple lemonade
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Ignorance is not a defence: "Ignorantia juris non excusat". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ [wikipedia.org]... [wikipedia.org]
Unless you're a cop of course. Then you're held to lower standards and ignorance of the law absolutely *is* an excuse for detaining someone, searching them, then using what you find to lock them up. (Heien v North Carolina)
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Or is this the FAA looking to justify their existence?
I know conservatives love stripping regulatory bodies of power but the FAA not having the resources and allowing Boeing to self certify is what lead to parts falling off airplanes. This article predicted safety would suffer. https://nffe.org/nffe_news/tru... [nffe.org]
Flying is safe because of FAA.
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I have no doubt that the pilot will also face cconsequences.
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Ignore "up to ten years" (Score:2)
Google "US sentencing guidelines" and look how many things have to line up to get a maximum sentence. Actual sentences are almost always way less than the headline number.
On top of that the overwhelming majority of Federal cases end in plea bargains.
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The maximum is 20. If he gets 10 he'll already meet your criteria of "way less". Incidentally if the summary is to be believed a lot of actions were performed that showed that this is not some incidental breaking of a law. It shows a pattern of wilful law breaking. The people involved were certified in ways that meant they couldn't have not known about the regulation. And if the prosecutor is even partially competent he'd go through the guys history showing that he has recklessly endangered other people cou
humans, what a fucked up bunch we are (Score:2)
that he didn't ask for a permit to do this is just incredibly stupid ... sad
that he gets the equivalent of terrorist treatment for it is just unfair and scary
that he even has millions of subscribers wanting to watch fucking stupid crap like this is just
global warming can't happen fast enough
Hints for the stupid: (Score:5, Informative)
[1] Don't play with fireworks in California (where they are ILLEGAL) on video, which you then upload to a place where everybody on the planet (including law enforcement) can see it.
[2] Don't carry hazardous stuff on an aircraft, fire anything at an aircraft, or fire anything from an aircraft without knowing the regulations that apply and adhering to them. Oh, and don't video yourself doing it and then upload it to a place where anybody (including the FAA) can see it.
[3] If you have a pilot's license, don't turn off your transponder during one portion of your flights where you are doing illegal stuff - you'll stick out like a sore thumb. It's no longer legal to operate an aircraft in most US airspace without an active ADSB-out transponder. By flying most of you activity with it on, then a bit of activity with it off, then putting it back on again, you have documented the time and place of your illegal actions AND your knowledge of wrongdoing.
[4] If you have a pilot's license and the FAA contacts you to look into some of your actions, DO NOT LIE TO THEM. They WILL find out and you WILL lose your license. If you lie to them, you are opening a massive can of legal whoopass - you can then be charged with all sorts of crimes like interfering in a government investigation (the sorts of overlapping and vague laws with huge penalties that congress created to go after organized crime etc.)
So-called "social media" is a monster; it enables the dumbest people on the planet to make money doing stupid and often dangerous crap - and it's like they live in some alternate universe. These idiots think that all the normal rules, laws, regulations etc of society do not apply to THEM. If it'll get clicks, they're up for it no matter the legality or the risks.
Mountains out of mole hills (Score:1)
So many people getting so butt-hurt about someone letting off some fireworks. Just to put things in perspective, normally when fireworks are let off there are hundreds or thousands of people standing nearby.
Meanwhile politicians and MSM are supporting genocide in Palestine and the silence is deafening. Children being blown to bits and starved to death, that's what pisses me off.
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silence might be deafening in the us (where not only politicians and mass media but even universities and think tanks are totally obedient to the israeli lobby), in the uk (which is the us' lapdog and will do as told), in germany (where they are still traumatized by guilt for attempting genocide themselves and anything jew is just taboo and sacrosanct), maybe australia (?) and ... where else? afaik media in the rest of the world is pretty open about the atrocity that israel is committing in palestine, and w
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I am sick and tired
Don't worry (Score:1)
His family is wealthy, he'll be ok.
Personally, I find that a bit draconian. It was in a desert after all.
Unlike other YouTubers, his videos are somewhat high quality and he doesn't generate clicks by pissing off other people.
Meanwhile... (Score:1)
... a felon that sells state secrets to your enemies has a real chance to be elected by these very same lawful peoples, and he still walks free to this very day!
Your selective approach to justice is going to be the joke that destroys you. Your reputation is already gone.....
Slashdotted? (Score:3)
The video doesn't load. Has it been slashdotted you think?
Oh wait..
Click bait videos (Score:3)
Ever since YouTube has gotten the "short" videos,I've seen a increase of click bait videos. It seems it is very profitable to be a " influencer" now.
Re:Filming an unlicensed Music Video. (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead, all should pay them for their very presence because exposure!
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Like the old Dave Chappelle joke. I’m sorry, I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to do that.
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So this would have been perfectly fine if they paid for licenses to film the music video.
Presumably people who make music videos do the appropriate paperwork, the kind that is there for everyone's safety and to prevent idiots from doing idiotic things. Case in point.
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Ah yes... paperwork. Paperwork is the ultimate mitigator of risk.
Remember, a bureaucrat's worth is measured in inches of paperwork created on a daily basis.
How? (Score:3, Insightful)
I mean anyone who has done anything even marginally important at any point in their lives can imagine what kind of important things might be part of this paperwork.
Did you install FOD covers on the air intakes of your craft?
Do you have a NSTB-FAA-57example qualified firefighting crew onsite?
Have you arranged to have the road closed to traffic?
Is your pilot certified for launching pyrotechnics?
This is coming from me who hates paperwork and process. But like jesus christ you really think like this?
Re: Filming an unlicensed Music Video. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Appears to be targeted by abusive moderation. Perhaps for UID envy?
Ah, Slashdot. Same as it ever was. Lousy moderation.
Can't recall the last time I got a mod point to give, but I would have given you your Funny.
Re:Filming an unlicensed Music Video. (Score:4, Insightful)
I think you misunderstand the reason for licenses; the safety of others is important. You do not have the right to do whatever you wish when it might endanger people; licenses are a way the government can verify safety precautions are enforced. Effective? Maybe, maybe not. It's not just to get a fee paid, however. Being upset over the fee is stupid, though.
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What you said is even in the summary, so not sure why OP doesn't understand that.
Re: Filming an unlicensed Music Video. (Score:2)
Today with all CGI capabilities ut don't make sense to do it IRK.
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You really think they need to set a precedence of deterrence over consenting to a video shoot wherein fireworks are harmlessly shot at a car? Get real
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Dude you're a little too good at this.
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As someone coming from EU and lacking all the great freedoms granted in USA, I don't understand that. Can you explain a bit more? One day a pair of LEOs shows up at your door and says: "You are going to jail." And you say: "Do you have an arrest warrant?" and they go: "No, but you come with us anyway". Is that how it works?
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I do not believe this happened. But, let's pretend I did. They can do temp lockups for potential psychiatric issues/dangers with no trial needed - especially when someone does what you did. If you were in real jail jail for that long it would be extremely illegal. If you were locked into some kind of psych facility, then I would assume you would have said so, but also it wouldn't have been illegal as long as a doctor thought you should still be there. If you were held for 6 months before releasing you for a
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And if you had been out hiking in that area to enjoy the good weather, unaware of some influencer's intention to behave like an influencer, would you feel the same way? Would you feel like you were a consenting adult if you got hit by stray fireworks you had no idea would be fired towards the ground by a helicopter?
Re: Today I learned (Score:5, Insightful)
Dude, if you exploded a helicopter and it just disappeared, then fine. But they come down, litter the ground, possibly kill people (like those inside the copter.) The state bears costs when incidents happens - even in Bumfuck nowhere. That's why it's illegal. Get it through your thick skulls, you dumb Americans ... everything you do *can and may* affect another people. That's why there are the rules that enrage your inner 5 year olds.
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No, this action is primarily illegal because it was written with transport class aircraft in mind. If this particular criminal asshole picked up the explosives in the middle of nowhere and used them all over unpopulated areas, he would have presumably minimized the risk of killing anyone who wasn't intentionally part of his stunt, and could argue for a lesser sentence. But I suspect the helicopter wasn't allowed to land there to pick up the explosives, meaning he would have had to put them in the helicopt
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If this particular criminal asshole picked up the explosives in the middle of nowhere and used them all over unpopulated areas, he would have presumably minimized the risk of killing anyone who wasn't intentionally part of his stunt, and could argue for a lesser sentence.
Actually, no, maximum sentence for the YouTuber who intentionally crashed a plane is up to 20 years.
https://yro.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]
Of course, he DID get a much lighter sentence, of 6 months only, which seems awfully light to me, but it is what it is.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-c... [justice.gov]
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The probability of his helicopter crashing is very very low. By that account nobody can fly a helicopter or plane anywhere because there's a non-zero crash probability.
Re: Today I learned (Score:2)
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I was referring to during the transportation of said fireworks.
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When you put a shitload of fireworks in the helicopter, the chance of it crashing goes up significantly. That's why it's a crime.
The usual safety threshold for catastrophic outcomes (loss of aircraft) is once per billion hours (114,000 years) of flight, per AC 25.1309-1B Arsenal draft. Do you think this guy achieved that?
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Dude it's a helicopter the chances of it crashing are already pretty high and if you've ever had to deal with one outside of action movies you'd be surprised just how tedious and bullshit laden the entire process of launching one can be.
If I told a military helicopter crew I wanted to launch fireworks or even chuck rocks at their helicopter they would absolutely not be down with it at all.
Plus helicopter crashes can often be extremely difficult to extinguish, it's possible that the local fire department doe
Re: Today I learned (Score:4, Informative)
You had me until dumb Americans. Haters gonna hate.
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This isn't hate. Just observation. :-P
Telling the truth isn't hate, (Score:2)
see, for example, MAGA worshipers.
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Says the country that's going to elect Trump *TWICE*.
School shooting season start yet?
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You had me until dumb Americans. Haters gonna hate.
I was going to admonish the GP for falling back on such an overused and over-stereotyped trope... But you just went and demonstrated said trope for us.
I know quite a few Americans and most are quite astute and considerate... but the examples to the contrary are always very, very loud.
Fortunately this story is about the US actually giving a damn about proper safety and responsibility... Unfortunately I suspect he'll get away with a fine. I almost wish he'd tried this stunt in Europe although I suspect
Re: Today I learned (Score:4, Informative)
They have permits, local authorities are notified, they pay for emergency medical and fire response to be on standby and have insurance.
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Do you really want random YouTubers defining what "bumf*ck nowhere" is?
A wiseass up above noted that if they'd had a license they could have done this stunt legally. That's probably true: part of licensing is oversight.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the law was written after this accident. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re: Today I learned (Score:3)
Shooting fireworks at your car (from a helicopter) in the middle of a desert in "bumf*ck nowhere" can challenge you to 10 years in prison.
In Sun Tzu's Art of War there is a prescient section on legal advice, I'm paraphrasing: ask yourself "How could this lead to a federal investigation?" End all your excuses with "your honor." Further down there's some good advice on filming yourself in the act too. To me, it's fascinating that problems like "when to film oneself committing a federal crimes" were answered thousands of years ago and it holds up today.
Ex. Accidentally blowing up a helicopter. Crashing a helicopter into a car. Crashing a helicop
Re:Shot himself in the foot (Score:5, Interesting)
Naw, he's getting arrested with causing a weapon or explosives or incendiary devices to be Placed onto an aircraft transporting passengers. And criminal disregard for human life - Even if it is your own life does not matter here. All human life is human life.
He's fortunate if they Don't also charge all the passengers under that Section. 49 Sec 46505(b). - 49 U.S. Code 46505 - Carrying a weapon or explosive on an aircraft
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All human life is human life... except for the billions of your tax dollars spent on global offensive warfare annually.
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If you want to shoot from an aircraft, go on a wolf hunt in Alaska with Sarah Palin*.
*Not implying that those erial hunts are conducted without the proper permits.
Re: Shot himself in the foot (Score:2)
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Bro, in North Dallas you can hunt deer with LAW rocket launders.
Texas is fucked up. It's my home state.
Re: Shot himself in the foot (Score:2)
They do it, but semi-auto and without the music. It is an effective way to take out packs of feral hogs that are tearing stuff up. They are an invasive species.
helicopter hunting (Score:2)
Re: Shot himself in the foot (Score:2)
https://www.helibacon.com/ [helibacon.com]
They have all their permits.
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Not "Ride of the Valkyries"?
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Yes, except for the fact he was not engaged in "air transportation" as defined by the same section of the code:
49 US Code 40102
(5) "air transportation" means foreign air transportation, interstate air transportation, or the transportation of mail by aircraft.
(25) "interstate air transportation" means the transportation of passengers or property by aircraft as a common carrier for compensation, or the transportation of mail by aircraft
(27) "intrastate air transportation" means the transportation by a common
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(1) when on, or attempting to get on, an aircraft in, or intended for operation in, air transportation or intrastate air transportation,
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You've got to read my comments carefully, because I said "or flying a helicopter used as an air taxi service" to cover that case.
If it was privately owned or rented and never used as a common carrier, then it was not air transportation. I don't know of any flight schools (where you rent aircraft) that rent aircraft to private pilots that are also used as common carriers. It would be a rare case if it fell under that clause.
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What? I'm not sure that you understand what intent means in this case. It doesn't matter if this specific plane was intended to be an air transporter. What matters is that planes of this model are intended to be used as such. Weird, but I'm pretty sure it's true. Sometimes laws don't mean what a plain reading makes you think they mean.
An interesting example: Michigan has a law that says that recording phone calls without permission of all parties is illegal. It's pretty clear. However, the Michigan Court of
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It doesn't matter if this specific plane was intended to be an air transporter. What matters is that planes of this model are intended to be used as such.
This is made up nonsense. That is not a valid interpretation of the law.
Intention is for the cases like when a airliner is being relocated with no passengers on board, not to cover every single plane that could conceivably be used for paying passengers. If they wanted it to cover every aircraft that could be used as an air transporter, they would just say every plane with a passenger seat, or set a minimum number of seats on the plane. There are many regulations that do that. They would not define air trans
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Naw, he's getting arrested with causing a weapon or explosives or incendiary devices
Sure, believe in your weird fantasy if you like.
And criminal disregard for human life - Even if it is your own life does not matter here.
So how long a jail sentence for a suicide attempt?
Gotta have FAITH! Bay bee! (Score:2)
So how long a jail sentence for a suicide attempt?
Well that's a serious good-faith argument if I've ever heard one!
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Better than the other guy. And you, are you saying he can get off a charge of "criminal disregard for human life - Even if it is your own life does not matter here." by saying it was a suicide attempt?
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Sorry I'm not trained to deal with this sort of autism.
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All human life is human life.
Really? Are we banning all sports that puts peoples lives in danger?
Moderators. Just because you don't agree with an opinion it doesn't make the opinion a troll.
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The driver of the car. The Lamborghini also fired fireworks back up at the helicopter, so the pilot there. And the 2 girls setting off the fireworks. Also the driver of the car recording this. And apparently some bystanders too, as it mentioned some of them got hit. You don't think making sure there's safety processes in place is important here?
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You might as well charge motorcycle riders for criminal disregard for human life.
Please go on.
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We don't need a ban on organ donors.
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No i just mean they're annoying to other humans.
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Correct. The penalty for being a YouTube influencer should be death.