Biden To Ban US Sales of Kaspersky Software Over Ties To Russia (reuters.com) 124
The Biden administration on Thursday will announce plans to bar the sale of Kaspersky Lab's antivirus software in the United States, citing the firm's large U.S. customers including critical infrastructure providers and state and local governments, according to Reuters. From the report: The company's close ties to the Russian government were found to pose a critical risk, the person said, adding that the software's privileged access to a computer's systems could allow it to steal sensitive information from American computers, install malware or withhold critical updates. The sweeping new rule, using broad powers created by the Trump administration, will be coupled with another move to add the company to a trade restriction list, according to two other people familiar with the matter, dealing a blow to the firm's reputation that could hammer its overseas sales.
The plan to add the cybersecurity company to the entity list, which effectively bars a company's U.S. suppliers from selling to it, and the timing and details of the software sales curb, have not been previously reported. Previously, Kaspersky has said that it is a privately managed company with no ties to the Russian government. The moves show the administration is trying to stamp out any risks of Russian cyberattacks stemming from Kaspersky software and keep squeezing Moscow as its war effort in Ukraine has regained momentum and as the United States has run low on fresh sanctions it can impose on Russia.
The plan to add the cybersecurity company to the entity list, which effectively bars a company's U.S. suppliers from selling to it, and the timing and details of the software sales curb, have not been previously reported. Previously, Kaspersky has said that it is a privately managed company with no ties to the Russian government. The moves show the administration is trying to stamp out any risks of Russian cyberattacks stemming from Kaspersky software and keep squeezing Moscow as its war effort in Ukraine has regained momentum and as the United States has run low on fresh sanctions it can impose on Russia.
Kaspersky refuses the NSA backdoors (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously, the US does not like that. As Kaspersky has been under a microscope for some time, it is however exceptionally unlikely they have Russian Backdoors. If anybody had found anything, the news would just have been too juicy to not publish it.
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It's odd that they only targeted Kaspersky, and ignored e.g. Chinese AV products.
Anyway, Kaspersky offers a free "rescue disc" that is bootable, so makes a decent way to scan your system without needing to install it (or pay for it). You will need to connect to the internet to update the virus database, I'm not sure there is any way around that.
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They went after TikTok to "get" at China.
The administration is going to pick random bits of software from each adversary nation, and then declare victory over cyber attacks in a few months.
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You mean they'll post a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner somewhere and then keep claiming they won the cyber war in 4 weeks?
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The election isn't until November. They have 18 or 19 weeks to show that they have made progress and "have a plan" to combat cyber terrorism and malware and whatever.
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Well, I'll check back in 18 or 19 weeks to see if you guessed right.
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Yes, probably. All the while Microsoft and every other US software maker gets hacked and hacked and hacked again due to sheer incompetence.
Re: Kaspersky refuses the NSA backdoors (Score:4, Interesting)
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refute one fact in my post.
Last I checked made up bullshit and propaganda are not facts. You can't just make up shit and say refute my "facts". It would be more accurate to say refute my lame ass propaganda because I'm too lazy to do it myself.
US overthrew the democratically elected government of Uraine and installed a neo-nazi one that was murdering ethnic Russians and other minorities like Roma, even to lighting ethnic Russians on fire.
What actually happened is Yanukovych completely lost his legitimacy during the Maidan revolution even his own political party abandoned him. He then fled. The Ukranian Rada **VOTED** 328 to ***ZERO*** to impeach his sorry ass. There was no coup lead by the US, Victoria Nuland and the CIA e
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You totally sidestep Yaroslav Hunka. former Nazi SS, being made a national hero of Ukraine. You totally sidestep his being invited as a hero to Canada to be honored and speak in their parliament.
You totally sidestep the neo-nazi military units in Ukraine,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://www.thenation.com/arti... [thenation.com]
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora... [jpost.com]
Quite sad the lengths you go to, spewing lies and propaganda, trying to cover atrocities and evil of neo-nazi Ukraine and its present government.
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You totally sidestep Yaroslav Hunka. former Nazi SS, being made a national hero of Ukraine. You totally sidestep his being invited as a hero to Canada to be honored and speak in their parliament.
This nonsense was addressed.
"Quite sad the lengths you have to go through to find evidence that comports to your warped world views. Some incident with a 93 year old guy that shows up in Canada which everyone apologized for and people resigned over."
So to recap Canadians subsequently apologized for the incidents and their remarks. Hunka was never awarded hero of Ukraine.
You totally sidestep the neo-nazi military units in Ukraine,
All of this nonsense was addressed in the same post.
": then some ancient footage involving a right wing militia that has since been reigne
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Exactly. It's not the idea of Ukraine joining NATO that is Putin's problem, but that it might join the EU. Once it's in the EU, it's gone from his influence
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He was made national hero:
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/u... [jewishnews.co.uk]
I didn't say anything "in support of Russia", Putin is a thug, head of one of the former 3 mafia groups that controlled Russia, and his, the KGB one is the winner.
But I am pointing out the evil of Ukraine and the support USA gives it.
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Historically, all of Russia belonged to the government in Kyiv. When Moscow was essentially just a village with a bunch of cow paths, Kyivan Rus' was a large quasi-empire ruled from Kyiv.
Maybe we should help Ukraine liberate Russia from the imposters in Moscow.
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It is almost like people had peace for 50 years and forgot what Russian govt is like. People like you make me sick to my stomach
Although historians say Putin’s assertions about the need to liberate Ukraine from the grip of neo-Nazis and genocide against ethnic Russians in Ukraine are false propaganda, the repeated assertions from P
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putin is, for all intents and purposes, an actual neonazi. His excuses for invading Ukraine were literally quoting hitler himself and he is a big fan of ivan ilyin, who, in turn, was a big fan of hitler and mussolini.
besides, in recent history only two people have killed more russians than putin, namely hitler and stalin.
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You are confused.
I didn't say one thing in support of Russia. Russia was run by mafia groups, the winner was the ex-KGB one with thug Putin as head. Russia is awful, true.
But, that doesn't change the reality about the evil in Urkaine
Your "factcheck" link is worthless, just more aping the Biden adminiistration lies try to cover the utter evil in Ukraine.
You even admit what I say is true, "Ukraine may have corruption, it may have neo-nazis, it may have killed Russians..."
Yeah that's the problem and you lost
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As someone who lives in a country neighboring Ukraine I can confirm the fear of Russia taking our countries is real. Actually Russia demanded NATO to shrink to the borders before our countries joined the alliance. And already in this war Russian (from Iranian origin) drones exploded on our soil and sea mines in out waters.
And your words are 100% the ones of a Russian shill, we have plenty of them around here and they are recognizable from a mile away.
Re: Kaspersky refuses the NSA backdoors (Score:1)
The only Nazis Iâ(TM)m concerned about is the little man in the Moscow Kremlin with the Napoleon complex. The similarities between his actions and Hitlerâ(TM)s in the 1930s in the run up to the Second World War are incredible: look at Austria and Czech and what happened there and then compare with Ukraine, Georgia and Chechnya.
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Bullshit.
Re:Kaspersky refuses the NSA backdoors (Score:5, Insightful)
I remember when Slashdot liberals were all for "Free Speech Online" and against Government overreach.
But here we are in 2024, it's now viewed as "conservative".
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I remember when Slashdot liberals were all for "Free Speech Online" and against Government overreach.
But here we are in 2024, it's now viewed as "conservative".
When did Internet Libertarians become "liberals"?
Net neutrality, common carrier, section 230, net considers censorship damage and routes around it, blah blah etc. don't align with political parties
It's a subset of free speech absolutism, and for every bleeding heart useful idiot there's a f u I got mine freedumb warrior.
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Its how we get idiots in congress who believe in Jewish Space Lasers.
But enough about the Congressional Black Caucus ...
Re: Kaspersky refuses the NSA backdoors (Score:2)
OK, now, how do we get democrats that think Guam will tip over [0] or wonder if the mars rover will see where the astronauts landed? [1] How about Democrats that think it's amazing to be able to see the moon with your own eyes [2] or that the moon is made up of mostly gasses? [3]
[0] Guam - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/h... [cbsnews.com]
[1] Mars - https://www.texasmonthly.com/n... [texasmonthly.com]
[2] Moon - https://youtu.be/U5PABXXdDwA?s... [youtu.be]
[3] Gasses - https://www.skynews.com.au/wor... [skynews.com.au]
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https://arstechnica.com/tech-p... [arstechnica.com]
https://www.bloomberg.com/news... [bloomberg.com]
You can make an argument that poor software security policies are incompetence, not malice, but when the functional outcome is the same I'll say that it doesn't matter *why* the security holes are there; banning the gear still is a reasonable move.
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Is not the same with Huawei, there is a big difference: Russia started actual war with the Western world, while China is still at the economic war stage (and the economic war was started by the US). Before their invasion of Ukraine I was a proponent of Kaspersky as a security solution and may get one again after Russia withdraws and hold democratic elections (not gonna happen anytime soon).
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Kaspersky hasn't put in back doors so far, but a future change could cause a lot of damage before it was discovered and remediated. Do you think that the people running this company would reject a "request" from the Russian government?
Frankly, I am surprised that it has taken this long for Kaspersky to be sanctioned.
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Do you think that the people running this company would reject a "request" from the Russian government?
If they had that option, possibly, even quite likely. However I'm sure there are people working for Kaspersky who would be expert at putting back doors into code if they wanted to be. I'll put it like this. If you knew it was the only way to get your daughter out of an FSB prison, and you had any idea what the FSB do to people, would you think twice before putting a backdoor into code?
There is no possible way anything important or internet connected with Russian software should be running anywhere in the We
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There is no possible way anything important or internet connected with Russian software should be running anywhere in the West.
The same is true for US software. But here we are.
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That is a non-argument. Obviously, Kaspersky continues to be under a microscope and they know it. Hence, yes, it may happen but then they would be found out fast and you would have a point. At this time, you do not.
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You don't understand my point.
Let's put it in car terms. Would you leave tires on your car if you know they could blow out? Of course you would be able to fix the tires after a blow out, but your car might be seriously damaged at that point. So you replace the tires as a preventative measure. Similarly, everyone in the West should uninstall and replace Kaspersky now as a preventative measure.
My point is that a lot of damage would already be done before you could mitigate the issue.
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I thought Kaspersky was one of the better anti virus / anti malware systems out there.
And I recall Kaspersky has shifted out of Russia it's international customer's services.
I think some high profile people from Kaspersky got into trouble with the Russian government.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/t... [forbes.com]
Am of two minds about Kaspersky software - on the one hand they seem pretty good. On the other, there is some chance that they are linked to Russian government. But assuming they are linked and have stolen data,
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The question is, are accusations enough to condemn something / someone? Especially when the accusers don't have clean hands in the first place.
You are talking about a country that attacked and colonized Iraq for 10 years causing the deaths of >100,000 people over "weapons of mass destruction related program activities" - ie some metal tubes with traces of yellow dust and some vials that may have been almost about to possibly contain potential something something anthrax. Oh and please no return questions about our own stockpile of nukes and anthrax - we are America. So yeah we have no actual evidence that Iraq is about to magically attack the U
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This is similar to Huawei, alot of accusations, but no actual evidence shown.
The question is, are accusations enough to condemn something / someone? Especially when the accusers don't have clean hands in the first place.
Yes, quite telling, isn't it? Because we can be sure that if they had evidence, they would show it. With the capabilities of the US government, among them the NSA, we can be sure there is no evidence because they would most certainly have found it and then used it publicly.
And no, unless you want witch-burnings, an accusation should _never_ be enough.
Re: Kaspersky refuses the NSA backdoors (Score:2)
"I thought Kaspersky was one of the better anti virus / anti malware systems out there."
When AVP was new it was great, really fast and light. Now people commonly call it AVPoo. Not sure why anyone would even want to run it now.
Re:Kaspersky refuses the NSA backdoors (Score:4, Informative)
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Yes, clearly. The thing the US administration does not like about Kaspersky is that Kaspersky will expose US backdoors.
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Its not about backdoors. Its about data collection, where the data goes, and who later can get access to that data. Anti-virus/endpoint protection has access to everything.
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That is a bogus argument. AV and endpoint protection will _not_ send data back unless you explicitly allow it to. And if it does do so without permission, then that is dead obvious. hence if it did that, it would most assuredly have been found.
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More bogus than your conspiracy theory?
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Obviously, the US does not like that. As Kaspersky has been under a microscope for some time, it is however exceptionally unlikely they have Russian Backdoors. If anybody had found anything, the news would just have been too juicy to not publish it.
Speaking of people who don’t like that, How many hackers do YOU think are lining up at DEFCON to publish findings that could get them invited to an open window viewing in a Russian high rise?
Theres a saying that comes to mind about juice and squeeze.
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> If anybody had found anything, the news would just
> have been too juicy to not publish it.
It depends on who found those backdoors and how difficult they are to exploit. The big-brother wannabe shitbags at NSO Group and Cellbrite have backdoors in both iOS and Android. Granted, those are unintentional bugs that they refuse to report, not *actual* backdoors intentionally put in by Apple or Google. But there's really no effective difference.
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It would not have been just one person or group. It would for example, have been the NSA and the US administration would gleefully have paraded the evidence around. Nothing like that ever happened. Same with Huawei. And the NSA would have found backdoors if they were in there.
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You can bet they didn't refuse the *Russian* government-mandated backdoors.
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You seem to not have understood the discussion at hand. In actual reality there is no way their software has a backdoor. When you know where to look (and in AV the communication channels are _really_ simple) finding a backdoor like that is within reach of a gifted amateur. The US has the NSA and the NSA clearly found nothing or the evidence would have been gleefully paraded around.
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No way their software has a backdoor? Reminds me of the Solar Winds breach.
Without access to Kaspersky's servers, how would you even know what data is being sent where, from the server back end? It's not like you can inspect their server-side source code.
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You want to examine the _server_ for backdoors into the _client_? Do you even know what a backdoor is?
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Yes, absolutely!
The Solar Winds hack absolutely started on the server side, and was used to insert malware onto clients. https://www.wired.com/story/th... [wired.com]
Kaspersky's software is structured a lot like Solar Winds. For many use cases, it requires installing agents--with administrative privileges--on every server and desktop that is part of the system. These agents are capable of delivering and executing literally *any* code on that remote machine. So yes, if there's a back door in the server side, that back d
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That must be peak clueless. No, that is _not_ a backdoor. Fucking get the _basics_ right!
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Apparently you don't know either, because if you did, you'd explain it to me, since I'm so clueless!
What makes a back door a back door? According to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
A backdoor is a typically covert method of bypassing normal authentication or encryption in a computer, product, or embedded device. ...Backdoors are most often used for securing remote access to a computer...to gain access to privileged information like passwords, corrupt or delete data on hard drives, or transfer information.
The Solar Winds hack certainly meets all these criteria, and if the Russians mandated secret access to Kaspersky's back end servers, they would certainly have the ability to do all these things to client computers "bypassing normal authentication" for whatever purposes they want.
Now, tell me again what part of this d
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Obviously, the US does not like that. As Kaspersky has been under a microscope for some time, it is however exceptionally unlikely they have Russian Backdoors. If anybody had found anything, the news would just have been too juicy to not publish it.
You have evidence that other antivirus companies do allow NSA backdoors?
Anyways, I doubt they'd be clumsy enough to leave backdoors in current Kaspersky, but there's still a lot of potential threats.
One, Kapersky self-updates. That means if Moscow does get desperate they can start using that to push exploits, they could either do it to select machines as part of a high risk hack (hopefully covering their tracks after), or to entire countries as a major cyberattack.
Second, it will automatically send back inf [arstechnica.com]
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After Russia started the war in Ukraine, there is no need to show any ties, is enough to know Kaspersky pays takes in Russia, thus funding the war and the terrorist state, to make you stop making any business with them.
And I agree, is a sorry state... They have an office in my city and some 15 years ago lead of that office was a guy from our local LUG.
Do Epic next (Score:5, Insightful)
Can we Please wait for AGI before WWIII? (Score:3)
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I've not really seen any evidence AI researchers want AGI. Statistical analysers and Expert Systems are fashionable and profitable, especially if the software vendor owns shares in nVidua.
Liars (Score:5, Informative)
Bloody liars [rferl.org]: "Kaspersky Complies With Kremlin Blacklist As Other VPN Services Remain Defiant".
"We have no ties to the Russian government except that we do whatever they ask us to do."
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Three years after the infamous decision, they have completely withdrawn [bleepingcomputer.com] their VPN service from Russia. Still, this decision leaves a bad taste and raises questions about their modus operandi.
Still, the company's CEO, Eugene Kaspersky, lives and runs it from [cybernews.com] Moscow [vk.com] and there's been quite a lot of controversy [vice.com] in regard to recent events. In a recent interview [translate.goog] with RIA, Kaspersky tried to downplay the prospect of a US ban, but the problem is that Europe, Canada and Australia could very well follow suit. And these are no small markets.
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As an EU citizen: if we ban importing oil and gas from Russia, why don't we also ban importing software?
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>Still, the company's CEO, Eugene Kaspersky, lives and runs it from Moscow
But *surely* there's no gambling going on in the back . .
Why did anyone ever trust them? (Score:5, Insightful)
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I worked for a government contracting company a while ago where the corporate lead IT support guy insisted on using Kaspersky and nothing else. I wanted to be fair of course, but just didn't get the insistence for that Russian option over consideration of other options.
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The sheer ignorance and negligence it would take to trust a Russian company with cybersecurity, Jesus. Even before Putin.
You know how US Government has been “cool” with Tik Tok?
Now you know how Kapersky got here.
Doesn’t have to make sense as long as makes cents.
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To be fair, Norton, AVG, and Microsoft's tools are useless and resource intensive. If their idea of antivirus is to simply stop the computer running anything else, I suppose it works. Kinda.
There just aren't any really good antivirus systems any more.
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AV has been dead since 2008. With the advent of obfuscated real time 0 minute binaries, the definition AV model died with it. That's why I laugh at most of these AV comparison studies that throw thousands of ancient binaries at an AV product and rank them based on their detection of them that were added to a definition file after it infected tens of thousands of PC's over a week period two years ago and was long abandoned from it's creator because they already got paid by all of the ransom extortions and ma
Russia's a fully rogue state (Score:5, Informative)
They invade neighbors, assassinate people on foreign soil using extremely dangerous methods that harm more than just their intended target, and they actively try to disrupt democratic nations.
You can argue the US does all those things too... Well, not so much the 'assassinate with nerve toxins with plenty of collateral damage', but you can still generally work with the US. Russia's a mafia state in collapse and looking for new victims to prop itself up.
Nobody should be doing any business with Russia until they're out of Ukraine, have admitted they're in the wrong (to undo domestic propaganda that helped make the invasion of Ukraine possible), and paying reparations. Putin's head on a pike would be a nice bonus to put a fear of consequences into his successor, but it's optional.
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I'll go with "US is bad, but the other major world players are significantly worse". Once the EU really starts pushing it's weight around as a cohesive unit and counts as a major player, I think it will at least marginally rank better than the US.
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The EU is not a cohesive unit though. And it will be difficult to become one with the way the EU is setup to preserve the national character of its constituent states.
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The people who invented colonialism are long dead, have you anything to say about actual inhabitants of Belgium?
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> and paying reparations
No. Not paying reparations... PAID reparations!
As in... Ukraine must be made whole; not just the stolen land returned, but all of the damage repaired, anything destroyed rebuilt or paid for at full market value, everything stolen returned or paid for at full market value, medical bills paid for every Ukrainian injured, compensation for every Ukrainian crippled, funeral expenses and compensation paid to the families of every Ukrainian killed, and an ironclad guarantee that no Russ
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Now for eventually ending the conflict you will need negotiations. Everyone hates Putin but you will not end this war without realistic negotiations.
For all those who look to history and yell 'Never appease a dictator' Chamberlain!
How did reparations work out for Germany after WWI?
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As is Israel. The UN, amongst others, says that it has likely ‘consistently violated’ Laws of war [un.org]. So the USA should stop sending it weapons.
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Agreed. Russia is operating as a proper terrorist state at the moment. Has a leader who removed term limits and cannot be voted out. Invaded a country that did not attack them and then proceeded to destroyed many of their cities and killed hundreds of thousand of people. For reasons no sane person understands.
Since world war ii, we have lived in relative safety where no country has tried to change national borders through the use of force. No country except one. Russians are trying hard to drag humani
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>No country except one.
Are you referring to North Korea, or to North Viet Nam?
Or . . . .
Protectionism is the lesser of two evils (Score:1)
I'm sure the Russian bots here on /. (Score:1)
I feel bad for Kaspersky though. Or at least their employees (can't remember the owner's stance on thigns). It's not like they have any say in anything, Russia is a dictatorship, they're all just screwed because one 78 year old man decided he wanted one last shot at glory for Mother Russia.
This is why dictator's suck, even if you think they're cool. Sooner or later they get old and lose it. And you can't get rid of 'em until they die. So you're just stuck with Mad King George.
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I feel bad for Kaspersky though. Or at least their employees (can't remember the owner's stance on thigns). It's not like they have any say in anything, Russia is a dictatorship, they're all just screwed because one 78 year old man decided he wanted one last shot at glory for Mother Russia.
Of course the Russian population has a say and until now their choice is to support the dictator and his war. No dictator can survive a mass revolution. I know because I live in a former communist country who went trough a bloody revolution,
Cool! cheaper Karspesky for us! (Score:3)
I live in LatAm. Most of us in LatAm do not care if the FSB spies on us instead of the CIA (or the MI5, or the five eyes, or the chinese). Probably similar sentiment in Africa, ME, SE asia and other places.
What we want is to keep viruses and ransomware out of our systems (both desktop and server, both Windows and Linux, both physical and virtual). Also keep attacks from hacking groups and State backed actors out.
For that, we want the best perf/cost ratio. Karspesky products are very decent. And cover all the aforementioned areas.
If Karpesky loses access to the USoA market, it will probably have to lower prices, to capture more money elsewhere.
As long as your company's threat model is not affected by rusia spying on you, or having a reason to hack you directly, or indirectly throug affiliated hacking groups, a very good tool is about to get much cheaper...
Thanks
JM2C, YMMV
Its crap anyway (Score:1)
Meh - its crap software anyway. I wouldn't trust it to scan my lawnmower......
*shrugs* (Score:1)
For a second I thought they were talking about TikTok.....
NSA number one problem (Score:1)
Blamake Kaspersky.
Blame China.
The number one abuser of your right to private is the USA government.
Each year they make it a point to re-approve the sections of law that allow them to keep doing it.
Even when the law does NOT allow them to do it, they (FBI, NSA, CIA) do it
How are we better than Russia, North Korea, China, Turkey, Iran?
We're not.
Downvote away. Speaking truth is the only power we have left. Sucking up to the government is just being a loser.
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> Russia, North Korea, China, Turkey, Iran?
I'm no fan of American politics nor it's legal system, but if you can't tell that it's far better than those five you need to get your head examined.
I would never willingly move to the US, but if I had to choose between those six there's no question it'd be the US.
Its about time (Score:2)
They discovered NSA rootkits (Score:1)
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Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution explicitly gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, among states, and with the Indian tribes.”