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Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Acquire 'Killing Gawker' Screenplay (techcrunch.com) 113

"Ben Affleck and Matt Damon have acquired a screenplay called Killing Gawker," reports TechCrunch, for a film which "presumably delves into billionaire VC Peter Thiel's campaign to bury the media outfit for posting excerpts from a Hulk Hogan sex tape." The film is based on a book that details the 2016 court case in which Hogan won a $140 million judgment against a Gawker editor, Gawker founder Nick Denton, and Gawker itself, whose Valleywag site long chronicled Silicon Valley personalities and routinely zeroed in on Thiel.
While casting hasn't been announced, it's "been rumored" Hulk Hogan will be played by Ben Affleck, writes Variety. "Gus Van Sant, who previously helmed Affleck and Damon's Good Will Hunting, is set to direct".

The script was adapted from the book Conspiracy: Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker and the Anatomy of Intrigue, they report — though the movie currently "has no formal start date or production schedule."
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Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Acquire 'Killing Gawker' Screenplay

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  • by ardmhacha ( 192482 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:16PM (#64716508)

    "Peter Thiel's campaign to bury the media outfit for posting excerpts from a Hulk Hogan sex tape"

    That is not the reason he financed the case. Gawker had outed Thiel as gay, which is the reason he wanted revenge. The Hogan sex tape was just the tool for exacting revenge.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by hdyoung ( 5182939 )
      This. While I kind of dislike the guy (he abandoned his US citizenship because he wanted to avoid a tax bill) he was totally justified to (legally) use his wealth to take revenge on Gawker and generally make those guy’s lives miserable.

      Outing someone against their will is NOT cool.
      • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:58PM (#64716572) Homepage

        Outing someone against their will is NOT cool.

        I'm a gay man so I feel I've got a dog in this fight. This isn't nearly as cut and dry as you might want to imagine it. If you were talking about a 14-year-old gay teen living with his conservative parents? Yeah, that'd be very not cool to out him.

        However, in Thiel's case, we've got a billionaire who absolutely could've been using his wealth and influence to speak up for the marginalized members of the LGBTQ+ community, but instead was cowardly pretending he was part of the white, hetero, and cisgender club so his rich buddies wouldn't think less of him. How you feel about this situation likely hinges upon how much you believe the ultra-wealthy have an inherent obligation to pay it forward back into the society which granted them their success in the first place. Thiel shirked his obligation, so it was just karma when society pushed back.

        • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @05:31PM (#64716624) Homepage Journal

          How you feel about this situation likely hinges upon how much you believe the ultra-wealthy have an inherent obligation to pay it forward...

          Well, that's a contentious issue, isn't it? There are plenty people who would say people *don't* have any obligation to pay society back for their success. Even if you don't agree with them, is there any limits on what someone who self-deputizes themselves as the enforcer of the ideal of paying forward can do with that role? If so how do those limits get applied?

          My suspicion of "fair game" arguments stems from this: whenever you find yourself making one, you are bound to be completely sure -- in other words uncritical -- of the impulse to do something that you yourself normally would condemn. You *might* be right, but you have no way of telling because you're too emotionally involved. I think it's far safer to set ground rules for yourself: I will not use someone's private sexual orientation against them. Perhaps you can add some provisos to that, e.g. "... unless they do that to someone else." As long as you're clear ahead of time. You should never just wing it when you're violating one of your personal principles. What does doing the wrong thing feel like? Usually it feels exactly like being totally certain you're doing the right thing. In fact I consider that feeling of self-righteous satisfaction a red flag.

          it was just karma when society pushed back.

          It sounds kind of abstract when you lay the blame on some amorphous entity like "society". But the reality is that actual individuals made the conscious decision to weaponize his sexual orientation against him. Thiel may be a billionaire, but we don't necessarily know all his motivations for not being public. They may well be venal and contemptible, but that's *conjecture* on our part.

          • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

            by Powercntrl ( 458442 )

            Thiel may be a billionaire, but we don't necessarily know all his motivations for not being public. They may well be venal and contemptible, but that's *conjecture* on our part.

            He was (and still is) actively supporting the political party which seeks to roll back LGBTQ+ rights. I'd say the rest of us should know when one of our own happens to be a turncoat billionaire.

            There's that old expression "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen." If someone can't handle a life of scrutiny in the public eye, they should stay out of the limelight. If the money isn't going to help you sleep well at night because the entire world knows you're sleeping with, you always have the c

            • He was (and still is) actively supporting the political party which seeks to roll back LGBTQ+ rights. I'd say the rest of us should know when one of our own happens to be a turncoat billionaire.

              If he's anything like me, he finds no political party he can adequately align himself with, so he simply chooses one that is either least opposed or most in favor of his preferred views. I can't speak for any LGBT people when I say this, but is it possible that some of them simply don't consider their sexuality to be a pressing concern outside of their own lives? I personally know a self-described Orthodox Jew who doesn't vote for politicians that advance the views of his religion, even though he considers

              • And finally, I also don't believe how much money somebody brings in means they are obligated to surrender any of their rights.

                Billionaires aren't victims of circumstance, though. They all made a conscious decision to keep acquiring wealth well beyond what any person needs to earn for a lifetime of comfortable living. No one forced Thiel to become a billionaire in the public eye, instead of becoming for example, an unknown truck driver who hooks up with guys on Grindr and goes home to an unhappy heterosexual marriage.

                • And who gets to define what "comfortable" means?
                  • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

                    by Powercntrl ( 458442 )

                    And who gets to define what "comfortable" means?

                    Against my better judgement, I once watched a MrBeast video where he sampled a bunch of obscenely overpriced foods. After a certain point, the foods actually stopped being worth the money and actually tasted worse than the cheaper fare.

                    I'm certainly not saying there should be a hard limit on anyone's earning potential, but above a certain point you've basically broken the social contract with the rest of your fellow humans and we are going to "gawk" at your follies. Sometimes that will be things like watc

                • Billionaires aren't victims of circumstance, though. They all made a conscious decision to keep acquiring wealth well beyond what any person needs to earn for a lifetime of comfortable living. No one forced Thiel to become a billionaire in the public eye, instead of becoming for example, an unknown truck driver who hooks up with guys on Grindr and goes home to an unhappy heterosexual marriage.

                  I still don't see how this means they should feel some sort of obligation to give up certain rights.

              • Hey, Thiel supports QAnon while literally injecting himself with the blood of young people. QAnon is the only political movement outspoken against taking Adrenochrome. WTF Thiel?
              • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

                I can't speak for any LGBT people when I say this, but is it possible that some of them simply don't consider their sexuality to be a pressing concern outside of their own lives?

                Most people "simply don't consider their sexuality to be a pressing concern outside of their own lives", but that becomes a real problem when the state starts to intervene and restrict what you can do in your own life. Thiel supports the party of state intervention and is simply relying on being rich and powerful enough that the law

            • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

              by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

              That's the Barney Frank rule in action: he vehemently opposed outing someone who didn't want to be outed, unless they were using their power and influence to make life worse for gays. Then they were fair game.

          • > But the reality is that actual individuals made the
            > conscious decision to weaponize his sexual
            > orientation against him.

            But no one did that. Thiel may have not been out to the press. But his orientation was common knowledge in the valley before Gawker published a word. Hell... I'm a nobody with no direct connection to him and definitely not a part of the billionaire set. And I don't even know how or when I first heard. But even I knew, and when Gawker "outed" him, I just shrugged and though

        • Okay, letâ(TM)s say that is true (it is not), you then would feel free to post names etc of Iranian wealthy gays, and Saudi gays etc. They are wealthy after all, whether they have butt sex is irrelevant.

        • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @08:20PM (#64716888) Journal
          You can hold a number of opinions simultanously:

          1) What Gawker did to Hulk Hogan was not cool.
          2) Peter Thiel is basically a horrible person.
          3) Peter Thiel did something good when he funded the lawsuit, even though he's basically a bad person.

          There's no one who is purely good or purely evil, even though we tend to think of them that way. It's not logical to do so.
          • by sg_oneill ( 159032 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @02:08AM (#64717264)

            Except it wasn't "good" at all. It was flaunting his wealth to destroy independent media because he was grumpy that they ran a story about something everyone already knew.

            Thiel is an authoritarian conservative who has spent a fortune funding right wing attempts at denying the rights to a private life unhindered by the interfering control of big government for gay folks, all the while being gay himself. He's a rotten hypocrite, and Gawker merely exposed that hypocracy.

            They did the public a great service (although most of us where aware he was likely gay anyway). Gawker should not have been destroyed for merely having the nerve to act in the public interest. The destruction of independent press should *never* be commended.

            • by vbdasc ( 146051 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @06:10AM (#64717500)

              Except it wasn't "good" at all. It was flaunting his wealth to destroy independent media.

              I'm not a fan of Thiel, not at all. But he didn't destroy Gawker. Did he bribe the judge, or buy the verdict? Nope. Gawker destroyed itself. The only thing Thiel did was giving money to Hulk Hogan, and this was not a destructive move. He saw that Gawker had placed itself in a precarious position, by playing with the injunctions against it. He saw that Gawker's legal strategy against Hulk Hogan and probably other individuals was to entangle them in costly lawsuits, where it could outspend them. His money enabled Hulk Hogan to get justice from the court. Because getting justice apparently is something only people with money can afford. What Thiel did was not a bad thing per se, although he obviously had selfish motives.

              I can see people accusing Thiel of buying the verdict. Well, if such a thing is possible in the USA, then that country has way bigger problems than billionaires suppressing free speech.

            • If you see the world in a way that people are "all good" or "all bad" then back in the real world, things will be very confusing for you. People are a mix of good and bad, including you.
            • Honest question: why does Thiel get all of the blame/credit when it was the courts who ultimately rendered their decision?

              Think what you want of Thiel, but do we really believe that Thiel is able to buy a verdict? If Gawker was in the right, wouldn't they have been acquitted? If the damages were really overblown, wouldn't the courts have ruled otherwise?

              I'm not particularly invested in the Gawker/Hulk Hogan case. I'm also indifferent to Peter Thiel. I wouldn't care if he lives or dies. But I'm also not in t

    • ...which would suggest this entire thing is just an exercise is in gaslighting, trying to paint the Gawker network as somehow the innocent victim of a slavering right wing crazy when in fact, they (for politics, probably) revealed deeply personal and private information for laughs.

  • Casting 101. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:24PM (#64716516)

    it's "been rumored" Hulk Hogan will be played by Ben Affleck.

    Sorry guys, but the Good Will Hunting dynamic duo does magically not turn an actor into fucking Hulk Hogan.

    If this actually happens with casting, know that a dozen or seven Hulk Hogan impersonators (who can probably actually wrestle too) were passed up on behalf of Ben’s ego. Hulk Hogan himself is probably in better shape to do this, and that’s saying a lot.

    • a dozen or seven Hulk Hogan impersonators (who can probably actually wrestle too)

      You should know that wrestling skill isn't required to be a professional wrestler.

      • They do need to be in very good physical shape, and be very good at pulling punches while making them appear to hit hard.

        • Re: Casting 101. (Score:4, Interesting)

          by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @07:09PM (#64716792) Journal
          So...they need to be good actors?
          • Daniel Day Lewis is a good actor. But he could likely never become a professional wrestler. Despite it being scripted and fake, it's a very physically demanding sport and there is a huge amount of skilled involved in making it look you injured your opponent without actually injuring them.

            To say that wrestling skill isn't required to be a professional wrestler is downright bizarre. That's exactly what it takes.
            • Uh, you do realize professional wrestling is fake, right? It's a show.
              • I literally said, "Despite it being scripted and fake"
                • Then no, you are wrong. It's choreography and you know it. That is a different skill than being able to wrestle. Real wrestlers show up in NCAA tournaments (or other places) and it's not as bombastic.
                  • by Binestar ( 28861 )

                    I like a good pedantry here and there but this is just silly. Football (Soccer) players play Football, and Football (American Football) players play Football.

                    Just because the same word is used for two different things doesn't make it incorrect.

                    Professional Wrestlers for the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) are wrestling when they go out there, and NCAA Wrestling tournaments are wrestling as well.

                    Examples from Merriam-Webster about wrestling:
                    https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]

                    Pro wrestling has always been

                    • Yeah, but football players actually play football, soccer players actually play soccer. Pro wrestlers don't actually wrestle. The moves they use wouldn't work in a real match. The submissions are staged. They are pretending to wrestle.
                    • by Binestar ( 28861 )

                      No, Football (American) players play football, and Football (Soccer) players play Football.

                      You renaming it to make it seem like its not two words for the same thing doesn't make you correct.

                      Wrestlers (NCAA) wrestle.
                      Wrestlers (Pro WWE) wrestle.

                      Words can have multiple meanings.

                      That bird is a Crane.
                      They used a Crane to lift that heavy object.

                      I have an ant bite on my arm.
                      It's important to arm yourself with a solid education.

                      I enjoyed watching a clip from that video.
                      My mom is going to clip my hair.
                      The boat is mo

                    • And yet, they are just pretending to wrestle. If you can't admit they are pretending to wrestle, you are lost.
                    • OK, let's go with WWE = Choreography.

                      You still don't think it requires a certain level of skill and expertise to do "Choreography" in a way that makes it look like you punched your opponent in the face but actually didn't hurt them? Or piledrove them into a canvas mat without breaking their neck and crushing their spine?

                      If you got 100 random people and choreographed a routine where they attempted the piledriver, they would maybe do it twice before one of them got badly injured.

                      But I suspect you al
                    • Oh I do think all that takes skill. You are absolutely right. Acting is a skill. And I don't oppose it, if it's entertaining why not watch it?
                    • by Binestar ( 28861 )

                      The pretending part doesn't come into the definition of words.

                      Wrestling is defined in at least two ways. First would be the way NCAA wrestling is, the second would be the way WWE Wrestling is. Both are wrestling, but since the definition is different for the use of the word both fit the definition of wrestling.

                      WWE is not pretending to NCAA wrestle. They're WWE wrestling.

                      They're two different things, and if someone doesn't give enough context clues it's likely confusion can occur.

                      It's like people who get

                    • If they are not pretending to wrestle, what are they pretending to do? They are pretending to fight, is that what you think?
                    • by Binestar ( 28861 )
                      They are wrestling (WWE).
          • Well, what skills did Donald Trump have when he was part of WWE?
            • He's a good actor. He spent four years pretending to be president.
              • Well, what skills did Donald Trump have when he was part of WWE?

                He's a good actor. He spent four years pretending to be president.

                Well, I've got to say, I really didn't find his performance all that convincing. He really didn't inhabit the role, and he never achieved suspension of disbelief for me.

                :-P

          • So...they need to be good actors?

            LOL. You could turn 100 wrestlers into actors before you could get one actor to become a WWE star.

            It ain't hard to read lines and play pretend. Social media is full of it. Some better than Hollywood at this point. You sure as hell don’t see too many actors switching careers to become wrestlers. Seen plenty the other way ‘round. Tends to prove what is true.

            Heres what’s also true. Ben Affleck looks more like Joe Biden than Hulk Hogan. Stupid casting, is stupid casting.

            • LOL. You could turn 100 wrestlers into actors before you could get one actor to become a WWE star

              Which pays more? Shows how much you know.

    • Motion captured CGI. Would by design also have his uncanny valley look.
    • In the video, Hogan isn't.... wrestling. Thats just something your parents told you when you wondered unannounced into their bedroom.
  • Heather Clem (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kunedog ( 1033226 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:29PM (#64716520)
    Who will play Heather Clem, the woman whose sex acts in her own home Gawker broadcast to the world? I can't wait to see how focused this film will be on the rights of the female victim, and how harshly it will expose those who violated them.
    • Who will play Heather Clem, the woman whose sex acts in her own home Gawker broadcast to the world?

      Well, Ben Affleck is going to play a huge 300-pound blond haired wrestler named “Hulk”.

      With casting like that, I’d expect Heather to be played by Hillary Clinton.

  • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:32PM (#64716526) Homepage

    Thiel's grudge against Gawker began when Gawker outed Thiel. [wired.com] Personally, I wonder what goes through the mind of someone who'd rather hide an immutable fact about who they are, rather than perform some introspection upon their political views, but cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Being gay and donating money to the republican party is a real head scratcher. I guess he thinks the party won’t eventually turn on him when the funding stops.

      • Being gay and donating money to the republican party is a real head scratcher. I guess he thinks the party won’t eventually turn on him when the funding stops.

        Ya, but Thiel will always have his friendship with JD Vance to fall back on. :-)

      • Bigger head scratcher. Voting for the same party whose members want to throw you off buildings and are currently rioting against the Jews.
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @05:00PM (#64716576)
      it wasn't exactly a secret that Theil was gay. The problem was Gawker had real journalists on staff and they kept digging up real dirt on Theil's questionable business practices.

      Paying for real journalism with muckracking is as old as for profit journalism.
      • it wasn't exactly a secret that Theil was gay. The problem was Gawker had real journalists on staff and they kept digging up real dirt on Theil's questionable business practices.

        I hadn't heard that angle before, and TBH it seems like it'd be kind of difficult for readers to have taken their real journalism seriously when it's surrounded by celebrity trash articles. You generally assume news outlets will stay in their lane.

        Besides, these days it seems like having shady business dealings is a prerequisite to gaining favor among Republicans, not a dealbreaker. Heck, the former president actually bragged about how many times he's filed for bankruptcy. Do enough sketchy things and a

        • You're thinking like a non-Journalist. Actual Journalists get big stiffies about the truth getting out there because of them. Credit is nice and they'll get some, but it's seeing the stuff you dug up in print that gets them out of bed in the morning.

          It's like how a musician will spend hours a day practicing and never really make a dime doing it. Journalists are like that except for publishing important stories. Every single one of 'em dreams of taking down someone powerful Woodward & Bernstien style
    • Personally, I wonder what goes through the mind of someone who'd rather hide an immutable fact about who they are

      Immutable?

      If putting on a dress and just wishing real hard can change your gender, then there can't be much that's actually "immutable".

      • If putting on a dress and just wishing real hard can change your gender, then there can't be much that's actually "immutable".

        You could always ask Thiel if he would've popped the ex-gay pill, had such a thing existed. It doesn't though, so while trans folks can change their clothing, pronouns and (if desired) have surgery on their genitals, us gay folks have to just learn to accept ourselves for who we are.

        Superficially, it does seem like there is a bit of a contradiction going on, but it all makes sense when you realize that current medical understanding can't change things that are "in the head". There'd also be significant et

    • by godrik ( 1287354 )

      I have no real idea what Thiel's political views are. You don't get to decide when other people disclose things about themselves. They get to decide that. And outing someone is not a nice thing to do.

      But in this particular case, hiding that you are gay does make sense quite a bit. Gay people do get persecuted for who they are. They get declined jobs. They get declined service. They get attacked more.

      And while a lot of things have gotten better for queer people in the last 20 years, Peter Thiel is in his mid

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:58PM (#64716574)
    Gawker was a muckracker that financed real journalism with the muck. Theil wasn't angry he was outed, he was angry they kept digging up dirty on his shady business dealings. So much that Theil can never actually run for office himself (Telflon Don he ain't) and he's been forced to promote a couch ****er as a stand in.
    • It's OK, we're on slashdot, so you can say "couch fucker" all you like.

      Somehow that reminded of a particular site from the mid 90s. It's still up! Maybe he visited it.

      http://www.furnitureporn.com/ [furnitureporn.com]

      • It's OK, we're on slashdot, so you can say "couch fucker" all you like.

        I tried, but the damn lameness filter foiled my plans.

    • So you're gonna keep pushing the couch thing even though it's an easily debunked lie? If only you had the intellectual honesty to read the source material, and admit you are lying. You won't because you don't care about the truth, rsilvergun. You only care about victory, and you are willing to act immorally to get it. We see right through you.

  • Yeah yeah go ahead and downvote me, but their advertizing head at the time said so himself. https://www.politico.com/media... [politico.com]

    For all that is wrong with supervillain Peter Thiel and his vision for the world, this is pretty low on the list.

  • by battingly ( 5065477 ) on Sunday August 18, 2024 @06:36PM (#64716734)
    I miss Deadspin and Jezebel. They were a couple of the best sites on the internet. They were unfortunate collateral damage of Thiel's vindictiveness.
    • "Best sites on the internet"?

      They were cringingly left-biased, and deserved their fate. Good riddance.

  • RuPaul to play the peterless Thiel. (bump-ba-bump).
  • You should never out anybody as gay. .... But if you do, do it to a conservative libertarian who supports right wing causes, founded Palantir, funded Facebook, bought himself a NZ citizenship, published books about the "myth" of diversity in education and how affirmative action is wrong, does not believe democracy and freedom are compatible, and - you guessed it - donated to Trump's campaign and is one of the largest Republican Party donors.

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