Space Command Chief Says Dialogue With China Too Often a One-Way Street (arstechnica.com) 57
U.S. Space Command chief Gen. Stephen Whiting called for greater transparency from China regarding space debris this week, citing concerns over the recent breakup of a Long March 6A rocket's upper stage. The incident, which occurred after an August 6 satellite launch, scattered over 300 pieces of debris in low-Earth orbit.
While acknowledging some improvement in U.S.-China military dialogue, Whiting stressed on the need for proactive communication about space junk, ArsTechnica reports. "I hope the next time there's a rocket like that, that leaves a lot of debris, that it's not our sensors that are the first to detect that, but we're getting communications to help us understand that," he said.
While acknowledging some improvement in U.S.-China military dialogue, Whiting stressed on the need for proactive communication about space junk, ArsTechnica reports. "I hope the next time there's a rocket like that, that leaves a lot of debris, that it's not our sensors that are the first to detect that, but we're getting communications to help us understand that," he said.
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Mail your identity instead. Or register here. ACs are so 90s.
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Excellent. You can skip registration.
Spell check? (Score:1)
What is a "Shief"? Is copy & paste really that difficult? "Space Command chief says dialogue with China is too often a one-way street"
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I think it is related to covfefe
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Re:Spell check? Actually "Fact Check" (Score:2)
Iron Curtain (Score:2, Troll)
They are communists General ... or did you forget that? Information must not, and will not, flow freely within the CCP.
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Oh please. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a communist duck.
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Communists have never existed if we're being honest. It quickly turns into an authoritarian monarchy where the leader is basically installed for life, and in the case of DPRK, acts like a hereditary monarchy.
In the early days, yes these countries revolutions were based on equalizing the worker, but that get's quickly discarded when the country isn't self-sufficient, and setting work quotas and prices can quickly destroy the country when the price of manufacturing those goods domesticly greatly outstrip the
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It quickly turns into an authoritarian monarchy where the leader is basically installed for life
Name the leaders of the Soviet Union or China that died while still leaders? Founders like Lenin and Stalin died while still in power. Mao was still sort of in power when he died. But even Fidel Castro stepped down while still alive, as did his brother. I think the idea that "communist" countries are individual d
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Name the leaders of the Soviet Union or China that died while still leaders?
Any bets on whether Xi Jinping relinquishes power before he dies? Xi aspires to be the new Mao, the last leader to die while still in power. Same for Putin as to whether he gives up power before he dies. Yes, Russia is not the Soviet Union, but many Russians wish for the resurgence of old Soviet glory.
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I don't know when either one of them will die. But I would be surprised if Xi is still in office at 90. The communist party in China is a self-perpetuating elite. Not surprisingly, they have a very rigorous process for admitting members.
Russia has a communist party, but it is not very large and certainly not the party Putin belongs to or belongs to Putin. Russia has not had a communist government for over 30 years. Its an indication of our atrophied cold war mentality that people consider Putin an exampl
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Oh please. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a communist duck.
Too bad for you reality isnt based on duck quacks.
It took a bit but post Mao China started figuring out in the late 20th century that capitalism is far better at generating wealth than communism. Now they're full on hybrid economy with 60% of their GDP coming from non government owned business https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org].
Given that communism is an absolutist ideology any country generating more of its wealth through capitalism than not can hardly be called communist.
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The key to remember is that the CCP can take any of those non-government-owned business for their own, at their whim. Yes, they can.
And that's not a problem exclusive to China.
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And that's not a problem exclusive to China.
No kidding, technically any country can do this and plenty have. It's hardly unique to China.
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And that's not a problem exclusive to China.
No kidding, technically any country can do this and plenty have. It's hardly unique to China.
Technically yes. However, it is so much easier in China where there are no pesky checks and balances. Authoritarianism is not unique to China, but China is much better at it than smaller wannabees.
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You're off on a tangent now. This conversation was never about whether China was authoritarian or not, it was whether it was communist or not. Everyone pretty much agrees they're authoritarian.
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This reminds me of Fukushima. We had the US nuclear regulator whining about not being able to get any information about the meltdowns... As if the Japanese a) gave a shit and b) didn't have better stuff to do.
When you spend 99% of the time berating China for anything and everything you can think of, and set them up as the new Big Bad for the 2020s, it's not all that surprising that the first thing they think to do in this situation doesn't involve notifying the US.
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I've noticed your posts show lots of love for the Chinese government. Any chance of you moving there to back up your love? Report back to us in a few years after you have moved, that is if you can get through the great firewall or haven't fallen victim to a death van. The other possibility is that you are in fact already in China and doing the dear leader's work of spreading good cheer on the socials like a good little comrade.
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I'd never move to China, too many restrictions.
Re: Iron Curtain (Score:2)
They can't drive (Score:3)
In space either, I guess
Chief or Shief? (Score:3)
shief (Score:2)
shief
Almost all China's Debris is from (Score:3)
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The premium/desirable orbit volume is a couple of toroids, it's not like a full sphere.
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...and you have to allow for all the possible intersections of orbits with wide margins because small changes turn into large ones fairly quickly. Things drift from gravitational anomalies in the Earth, interactions with the Sun and Moon, solar pressure, atmospheric drag (in lower orbits), etc.
Your theoretical calculations do not match practical experience - the people who manage satellite orbits worry about 'conjunction events' - when orbiting objects pass each other closely enough that there is a non-ze
How many? [Re:Almost all China's Debris is from] (Score:2)
i once calculated there is room around the earth, just up to ~23,000 miles,
A large chunk of that volume is the radiation belts, a place where almost no one puts satellites.
for 50 billion satellites
Interesting. Hard calculation, since the satellites are traveling at a speed of 17,500 mph (in LEO, less higher up). And the orbital planes of the satellites don't stay constant, but are continuously perturbed by both the non-sphericity of the Earth, and the lunar and solar perturbations, so they even if they start out in non-intersecting orbits, that will change.
- the scale of space, even just around earth, is unimaginably huge,
That part is right. Quoting Douglas Adams, "Spac
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for the sake of world peace..... (Score:1)
I think the idea is we give in to their every demand and agree with them whenever possible. For world peace, mind you.....
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"Do you really think the US informs China if they gave a big piece of garbage drifting there" (I assume you mean in orbit) Yes. And not only the Chinese, we tell the Russians too, and anyone else who puts stuff in orbit.
"Do you really think all launches by the US (defense) are without (debris) problems or junk?" No, but we're talking orders of magnitude difference here. Furthermore, we at least *try* to clean up after ourselves, e.g. by de-orbiting upper stages. China clearly doesn't.
Dialogue? (Score:2)
Space Command chief says dialogue with China is too often a one-way street
When it's one-way, isn't it a monologue?
#Pedants "R" 'Us
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I think you grasped his point.
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don't give them ideas. they may scrap other satellites to de-orbit and recycle the precious metals and sell it back to us. Much like launching rockets at Elbonia and them goading france into another war due to scrap metal prices of unexploded munitions.
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The Shief don't like it... (Score:1)
Rocket Space bar, Rocket space bar...
Kinda late now. (Score:1)
I'm not sure, but I have a strong suspicion China would point out that the US pretty much stopped talking to them about aero-astro stuff 25 years ago after the Intelsat 708 [wikipedia.org] mess in 1999, because helping them make their satellite boosters more reliable and less "crash into village, explode and kill people" also meant potentially helping them make their ICBMs more reliable - a legitimate concern, sure, and we don't give that kind of IP to Russia either. SSL/Loral and Hughes got slapped for giving them that k
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Just for clarity... (Score:2)
Everything with China is a one-way street. Their way, so far, it seems.
We should expect nothing else.