Trump Hack Continued Into Last Week (semafor.com) 224
An anonymous reader shares a report: The alleged Iranian hack of Donald Trump's orbit continued at least until mid-September and may be ongoing, a document the hackers shared with a progressive publication reveals. Iranian authorities have denied any involvement in the efforts to leak internal documents from Trump's campaign, which have reportedly been sent to major US publications including Politico and The New York Times, and to the Biden campaign. But the campaign and outside analysts have blamed the hack on the Iranians, who have ample reasons for hostility to the former president and also allegedly plotted his assassination.
The publisher of the newsletter Popular Information, Judd Legum, writes this morning that a source under the name "Robert" shared a set of documents with him. Those included a research dossier on JD Vance matching other publications' descriptions of the hacked material. But the leak also included a legal letter to The New York Times complaining about an article that raised questions about the validity of Trump's image as a successful businessman.
The publisher of the newsletter Popular Information, Judd Legum, writes this morning that a source under the name "Robert" shared a set of documents with him. Those included a research dossier on JD Vance matching other publications' descriptions of the hacked material. But the leak also included a legal letter to The New York Times complaining about an article that raised questions about the validity of Trump's image as a successful businessman.
I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, the guy has said he wants to build concentration camps, admitted to making up stories about eating cats & dogs that caused multiple bomb threats, has 34 felony convictions, 4000+ lawsuits and a rape conviction... I could go on.
I guess there might be some political strategy stuff in there, but none of it matters. Trump has so many grifters & crooks in his party the billionaires won't give him any cash because it all just gets embezzled. So they're running the Trump campaign outside the Trump campaign and the GOP in order to prevent that. Meaning Trump isn't running his campaign, he's just a figurehead, and nothing he does matters.
All in all just a nothing burger, with the only scandal that might matter being that if the Harris campaign had accepted the documents, which they didn't because they're not idiots.
Re:I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:4)
That was his dolt of a VP pic that claimed to have made up the cat stories. It was based on a woman's post about her lost fluffy, and she pinned it on those naughty Haitians. A day or two later, she found fluffy hiding in her basement. She recently apologized for the incident. But Lora Loomer, one of former alleged president's squeezes, had already picked it up and passed it to the VP pic. Then the VP pic goes on an interview and lies about making it up, but by then he already knew it was made up.
The embarrassing bit is that a fair number of people believe those bozos when they say something. In his speech in Indiana, Pennsylvania, the former alleged president got the people to chant "send them back". The people they wanted sent back are the legal Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio. However, the people of Springfield are supporting their Haitian neighbors.
The lunacy gets worse. Gov. Dewine of Ohio, tells us it his horrible his party's nominee is lying like this. Does he do anything more than tut-tut in an op-ed? No. Former president Bush says it is terrible. Does he do anything more than tut-tut? No. They have no moral fiber and are just as bad as the former alleged president.
Re:I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:5, Insightful)
That was his dolt of a VP pic that claimed to have made up the cat stories. It was based on a woman's post about her lost fluffy, and she pinned it on those naughty Haitians. A day or two later, she found fluffy hiding in her basement. She recently apologized for the incident. But Lora Loomer, one of former alleged president's squeezes, had already picked it up and passed it to the VP pic. Then the VP pic goes on an interview and lies about making it up, but by then he already knew it was made up.
It's actually worse than that. He posted his racist bullshit, and then bothered to see if it was true or not after. And then when he found out it wasn't when the city manager directly told him it wasn't happening, he just kept on anyway [washingtonpost.com].
They already knew it was false before Trump went on that debate stage and made himself look like a deranged brain-addled incompetent fool yelling at clouds. And then for the next two weeks, that poor city has been dealing with stochastic terrorism from the "Make America Great Again" set - apparently achieving that greatness through phoning in bomb threats to schools and hospitals.
Springfield didn't want this. Ohio didn't want this. The city manager, the Mayor of Springfield, and the Governor of Ohio - all Republicans - don't want this.
JD Vance and Trump wanted this, and don't give a shit who gets hurt in the process. They are increasingly sounding overtly fascist with their blaming of immigrants (and now pre-blaming Jewish Americans if he loses) while also talking about how the problem with their mass deportation won't be splitting up families or deporting people incorrectly, but rather that the media will be showing it happening [newrepublic.com]:
Attkisson then asked Trump how he even intends to carry out mass deportations. “A lot of the millions of people have had children who are American citizens, and don’t you think the first time there is an image on television of a family tearfully being told to board a bus that that whole program would end?” she asked.
Trump agreed and offered a solution: less media coverage.
“That’s right,” he said. “If you take a young woman with two beautiful children, and you put her on a bus, and it ends up on the front page of every newspaper. It makes it a lot harder.
“You put one wrong person onto a bus or onto an airplane, and your radical left lunatics will try and make it sound like the worst thing that’s ever happened,” he added.
That makes them 100% unelectable in my opinion, and they can't lose fast enough.
We have leaked comms from Trump staffers (Score:2, Troll)
So Trump caused multiple bomb threats in order to change the narrative for a week or so away from his disastrous economic policies, his insane reproductive health policies and project 2025.
It shows just how little he thinks of the safety
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It's not like you're going to get a window into the candidate's private thoughts on policy anyway.
The stuff you get from an inside look at the campaign are things like how much money they think they'll have, when they'll have it, and where they'll spend it. This information may not be of great strategic value at present. Trump is being outraised by 150 million/month, and outspent at a corresponding amount of about 5 million per day -- the figures tally with each other. On top of that Trump is spending a
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Fox News is officially "Entertainment", so is not required to follow the rules that apply to news outlets. So yea, Fox tells a lot of false stuff, including spreading lies about Dominion(which cost Fox a LOT of money). The others tend to be BIASED, it's not fake, but they tend to lean conservative. Trump isn't a conservative in any way, even if he has fooled a lot of Republicans.
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> Fox News is officially "Entertainment", so is not required to follow the rules that apply to news outlets.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch... [snopes.com]
"While the term "accredited news station" may sound official, no regulatory body even exists that would accredit Fox News (or CNN, MSNBC, etc.) as a "news" station.
"A spokesperson for the FCC told us that, "We do not have any rules or licensing requirements in which a cable channel might categorize itself as news vs. entertainment."
Re:I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:5, Insightful)
Because all those court cases are simply made up and all his own words are simply made up.
What are you, two?
Are you claiming Trump is ChatGPT? (Score:2)
I don't think ChatGPT gets that emotional. OTOH, I've never tried to get to act that way.
Re:I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:5, Insightful)
Still.....better than kamala....
In what way? What do you have on Kamala Harris that compares to the list that rsilvergun mentioned? I'll remind you:
I mean, the guy has said he wants to build concentration camps, admitted to making up stories about eating cats & dogs that caused multiple bomb threats, has 34 felony convictions, 4000+ lawsuits and a rape conviction... I could go on.
Re:I can't imagine anything leaking (Score:5, Insightful)
The war with Russia must not be stopped. It must be won.
There aren't many miscalculations as destructive to a free and peaceful future as appeasing dictators and their encroachment on the world. It happened with Hitler's annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland, and because he saw that nobody confronted him, it continued with the invasion of Poland and ended with WW2.
The Mullah's of Iran, Xi in China, Kim in North Korea, they are watching how this conflict evolves, and the willpower, determination and sacrifices that the democratic West is willing to bear for the defense of liberty.
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Oh Trump will end the war by giving Putin what he wants and maybe more.
The influence and capacity of Russia will increase and Russia will now share borders with several NATO countries setting up WW3.
We already saw how appeasement and giving into imperialistic aggressive conquest turned out in the last century. The Trumpers want to see a repeat and maybe join in the side of the Axis powers this time.
Anyone who thinks they are "pretty much the same" is gravely mistaken.
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Russia already make borders with NATO countries... and actually, one of the excuses for the war was actually Russia trying to avoid make more borders with NATO countries (ie Ukraine). Also this made Sweden and Finland join NATO, so yep, Russia got even more borders with NATO by trying to avoid it
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Still.....better than kamala....
Not better, but maybe (and I mean maybe) less of a threat to my income/way of life.
Why? (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm assuming it's not character. I mean, he banged a porn star 3 days after his wife gave birth.
So why? What's so great about Trump?
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Christine Lagarde, President of the European Central Bank, was recently on Jon Stewart's show. He asked her what caused the inflation. It was, in her order, the Covid epidemic which snared supply chains, the Ukraine war, which took a lot of food off the market, and Russia taking advantage to up energy prices. That last one was mainly targeting Europe but in my opinion, hit the U.S. as well. The reason is that the U.S. refineries for petrol relies on dirtier foreign crude, not American light crude. So in a s
I don't care much for Jon Stewart (Score:2)
Actual economists have said the impact from Ukraine has been minimal (food started moving quickly and Russia is just selling gas to China and at a discount to boot). The COVID supply chains issues
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Re:Why? (Score:4, Informative)
Short answer: Trump isn't going to do anything of the good things you think he is and Harris isn't going to do any of the bad things you've been told she is. You're being lied to by billionaires who want to take your house and rent it back to you.
Government efficiency effort. (We don't know how successful this might be but it will be an effort at least)
What does this mean? Trump spent trillions, most of which went to his donors. What specific efficiencies do you mean?
Do something better about boarder.
Again, he blocked the border bill and has no plan to stem the flow of refugees.
Reduce/remove tax on 501k.
This is really specific so I can't argue it, but I'm not sure a tax cut on a specific insurance product is worth everything else bad from Trump.
As for Harris: Price Controls
While I'd love to see it, Harris doesn't actually support price controls. Her actual policy is anti-trust law enforcement + gov't subsidies to encourage more supply. She's not nearly as far left as Fox News tells you she is.
The closes she gets to "price controls" is letting the federal gov't bargain on drug prices.
Tax unrealized gains, This to me is literally insane.
Do you have over $100m in unrealized gains? Then it doesn't effect you. This isn't a tax on unrealized gains, it's closing a loophole in our tax code where billionaires keep all their money in unrealized gains and then borrow off it at below market rates because of their connections, living off the borrowed money.
Ban Fracking
Again, skip the Fox News. Harris doesn't support *any* fracking bans.
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I can also think of many harms that he produced when he was in office: 1) Huge deficits (some of which was brought on by pandemic spending, but much of it stems from his tax cuts for the rich). 2) Removing medical access for pregnant women who need medical care.
So on his two main "accomplish
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By the way it just moves it off the Federal "rights" and puts it under the states.
How can the right to privacy in the 9th Amendment be put under the states? Is that like saying they can move freedom of speech off the Federal "rights" and put it under the states?
Whatever your opinion of abortion it is simply not in the constitution and not a right guaranteed by the constitution.
Again, how can the right to privacy not be in the 9th Amendment? Do you know that amendment even exists? It is literally, in th
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"By the way it just moves it off the Federal "rights" and puts it under the states."
Ignorant at best. You call yourself non-borg presumably to indicate your free thought but all of this bullshit you believe comes from the mainstream media (Fox News is the MSM, they are over half of news outlets in the US) and the fact is the Republicans want a national abortion ban. They have been working on it for decades and they are much closer than ever now.
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And let's be honest, if he really wanted to reduce abortions in the United States, there are tons of abortion prevention programs (see the St. Louis model, for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go... [nih.gov]) that allow pregnant women health care access when they need it but also result in greatly reduced number of pregnant women who are in a position o
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Trump already did the good things I do want
Like increase the deficit more than any president in the history of presidents?
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Re: Why? (Score:2)
"Sorry so Harris is not part of the current administration?"
You are either pretending that the vice president has powers that they don't have, or actually believe that they do. Either you are disingenuous or ignorant. Which is it?
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Re: Why? (Score:2)
Where do you think your device comes from? Some rich guy invested their cash to make that. Theres your trickle down economics. Staring you in the face.
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Sometimes. And sometimes they invest their own cash. Like Elon Musk did with Tesla and SpaceX and Twitter and Zip2 and Paypal.
Re: Why? (Score:2)
Zip2 was from sales of gems he got from his daddy. So he started with someone else's money.
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Prove it.
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And yes, Kamala WILL come for guns [youtube.com] with confiscation.
Remind me again which president banned bump stocks?
Kamala already had a great comeback to gun ban question at the debate, and I'll add to it. This is America. Even the gay men own guns. The main difference is we don't usually go around reminding everyone that we're packing heat at every opportunity.
Re: Why? (Score:2)
"and at the time that was written no one had the capability of firing more than a few rounds a minute."
False, the repeating rifle had been created by that point. They were not broadly known as they were very expensive, but they did exist.
Further, private citizens owned cannon. is that what you want? By that logic I should be able to drive a loaded technical on city streets.
Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
I love how Trump cultists want to talk about 4 years ago, but in the same breath absolutely and completely forget that 4 years ago we were dealing with a pandemic with over a thousand people dying every day in our country, riots in cities, soaring unemployment, empty grocery shelves, and we would soon be seeing supporters of a defeated president violently attacking the seat of government.
No, I don't want more of that. And my bet is a whole lot of other people do not either.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/02/11/trumps-policies-resulted-in-the-unnecessary-deaths-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-americans-lancet-report/
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Government efficiency effort is code word for redirect more of the public money into the hands of the oligarchs and people that will give kickbacks to Trump. Trump doesn't do anything unless he benefits somewhere in the chain of events. Everyone at this stage has to understand the extremely transaction nature of Trump. Also Trump is easily manipulatable and bribed.
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Ban Fracking
Many others but I am conservative so I list things which I think would upset everyone.
Everyone, seriously? Around here in EU someone that promise to ban fracking would be acclaimed.
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You still believe the news?
So, what? You simply disregard anything stated by any formal "news" organization as a lie? I suppose there is no election at all, and no war in Ukraine, and nobody has died in Isreal/Gaza over the last year? Or, if you do believe these things have happened, how do you reconcile the fact that news agencies report on this? What rubric are you using to sort through what is and isn't happening in the world? If your statement is just hyperbole, can you clarify a bit? I'm genuinely curious how people who make a s
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They only believe what Trump says, even if it is proven to be a lie, these people will believe it.
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To be fair, you can't trust the news. I've been on the scene of some events they reported on. This was decades ago, and I suppose things could have changed, but while everything they reported happened, they edited the context to change what it meant.
Fucking of course it is. (Score:2)
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Calling the Republicans "anti-authority" is silly. That's their declared position, but not the way they act.
Too on-the-nose (Score:2)
Blaming Iran for this is too easy. Has Iran ever had hacking capability? Or were they given information from a different state actor that does? Or were they just blamed because the truth is far more insidious?
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It's easy to imply a conspiracy, but to construct one that isn't full of holes, actually makes sense, answers more questions than it asks, and is superior to the simplest explanation is the only one worth anything.
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Or perhaps they've got an agent that is a contractor for Trump...and is angry at being stiffed.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us... [telegraph.co.uk]
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Yes, it's hard to imagine that the head of state to a country that is being invaded wouldn't heap praise on the guy who tried to extort him for political dirt, while also publicly saying multiple times that he would appease Putin the very instant he wins election and sell Ukraine out.
Weird!
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That's shockingly idiotic, sorry.
That they did not ask for it to happen is EXACTLY the point. A foreign power did it, unsolicited offered it to the Dems who did not respond.
That's almost literally the opposite of Trump asking/encouraging it be done in his favor
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And the mafia bosses never order a hit. But they might say it would be a shame if something happened to so-and-so.
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For one, it was a big deal, he was impeached because of it. All of a sudden it's not a big deal because it's Democrats?
Is there evidence that anyone associated with the Democratic Party met with or cooperated with -- much less formally colluded with -- any Russian operatives/actors to hack Trumps' org? Are there even any unfounded rumors that this happened? I would imagine not, since the hacking into Trump's campaign and organization was part of a larger operation that also went after the Dems at the same time.
Re:What's the big deal? (Score:5, Informative)
For one, it was a big deal, he was impeached because of it.
What are you talking about? He was impeached the first time because he used his presidential position to withhold aid from a friendly nation (Ukraine) to pressure them to open a bogus investigation into his political rival. He was impeached the second time because he tried to reverse the results of an election and implement a self-coup. Unless you have some evidence that the impeachment had anything to do with his too-close ties to Putin?
I mean, both impeachment cases are public, all of the documents are public, the vast majority of the evidence is public.
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Trump wasn't impeached for working with Russia to influence the election, he was impeached for abuse of power trying to coerce Ukraine into helping him get dirt on an opponent by withholding money, then later for his actions involved with the insurrection attempt.
Now I haven't heard Biden or Harris state that they want Iran to hack the Republicans, nor have any of the Democrats been linked to them, but if they were to be, I would expect a proper investigation
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Guess who's campaign actually had public reporting of the contents of the hack in 2016? Oh, that would have been Trump.
Guess who's campaign got hacked this time around and absolutely none of the contents have been made public? Oh, that also would be Trump.
But please do go on about double standards and how things aren't a big deal "because Democrats."
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he was impeached because of it.
WTF are you talking about? Trump was impeached for using congressional approved foreign aid to bribe leaders of another country to smear his top political candidate. At least trying to the important facts straight.
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Why is it that every time Trump says something stupid, unintelligible, completely nonsensical, hypocritical, or suggesting illegal activity, he's "joking"?
Like when he finally admitted that he lost in 2020, only to turn around and say he was "being sarcastic" when called on it during the debate with a much larger audience?
He is lying to you, and you are lapping it up like the good little pet you are.
Even if the guy that has provably lied to the public tens of thousands of times is being truthful for the fir
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Most countries have a favorite US presidential candidate, and many of them try to influence the election just like the US tries to influence many foreign elections. Russia prefers Trump since Trump is such a pushover for Putin, and it makes sense Iran prefers Harris since Trump assassinated Qasem Soleimani. Revenge is a good motivator.
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They are probably uncomfortable with Trump's statements about "ending" conflicts. Russia may be happy with him letting them cement their gains in Ukraine for now, but Iran isn't likely to be interested in settling anything in their sphere at this time.
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Well Trump DID assassinate one of their generals and cancel the nuclear agreement with them, I can see why they might not like him in power.
In general they have a much better chance of being accepted to the world stage if the party that knows how to negotiate is in power, so Mr "art of the deal" isn't going to cut it
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Or the Iranians want that argument to be made to increase the chance of a Trump win...
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Or perhaps they just want Trump to lose. That's my attitude.
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No, they know she's even more of a spineless, weakling than Biden that will allow them to go as nuclear as they want and will pose no credible threat to anything the Iranians will want to do in the world.
They likely also know how badly her economic plans will cripple the US if by some chance they actually passed the congress....they do after all root for the fall of the "great satan" you know....
I'm not sure which is funnier here, the premise that Biden/Harris has presented a "spineless" image on the world stage compared to the reputation as a laughingstock that the demagogue-loving Trump earned us, or the suggestion that Harris's economic plans will cripple the US -- when 400 economists have endorsed her policies (https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/24/business/kamala-harris-economy-endorsement/index.html) including 16 Nobel-prize-winning Economists who took a special moment to go out of their way to say
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Trump a laughing stock ? Not anywhere except the US. Biden on the other hand is, in every single country. Except half of US I guess. And Kamala only in the countries where they might have watched her videos or interviews except 1 or 2 where she's okay.
Not that any of it means anything about their actual impact as a President or future President, but every single person who has looked at Biden or Kamala has laughed at them and the US. Unless they're Americans who support Biden/Kamala. That's a fact.
That is some industrial strength Bizarro World logic there. It is, unfortunately, about as laugh-inspiring as Trump is overseas. Of course, the reality is the exact opposite of the fantasy you propose. And reality is based not on what one may hear from unsupported opinion and other sources, but on facts.
Here is a survey that Pew did during the Trump and Biden administrations, asking whether respondents felt each President would "do the right thing in world affairs." The surveys soecifically compared each Pr
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> Russian backers, who want Trump to win.
Which ones?
Putin endorsed Biden, stating that Russians prefer the predictable.
He updated his endorsement to Harris, calling her laugh 'endearing' and called Trump unpredictable.
It doesn't really matter if random Russians like Trump if Putin is backing Harris.
She has the assistance of the Iranians, and now the endorsements of Dick Cheney and the IRS Union.
If you're aligned with Russia, Iran, Cheney, or the IRS then your choice couldn't be more clear.
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Jesus Christ, you're gullible.
Dude Putin be trolling (Score:5, Informative)
I'm sure that has nothing to do with the piles and piles of secret documents at Donald Trump's golf course held securely in a unlocked bathroom.
And yeah the Iranians want Kamala Harris to win because the Iranians just elected a moderate who wants to modernize the country and both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are on record with wanting to encourage that. Who the fuck opposes it when religious lunatics start to mellow out? Donald Trump that's who. That fucker poked that bear multiple times hoping to get a nice big war that would keep him in office. How many of your kids have to die so Donald Trump doesn't have to lose an election?
Re:Seems the Iranians are trying to tip the scales (Score:4, Interesting)
Your argument is predicated on Putin being truthful.
Therefore your argument is based on absolutely nothing. Thanks for playing.
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Yes. The best way for Putin to damage the Harris campaign is to endorse it.
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Russian backers, who want Trump to win.
Which ones?
Putin endorsed Biden, stating that Russians prefer the predictable.
Putin wants a destabilized America.
What Russians want does not factor into what Putin does, duh. The guy that has held onto power since Windows 98. The fuck does does he care what Russians think and why would you believe him dumbass?
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If you're aligned with Russia, Iran, Cheney, or the IRS then your choice couldn't be more clear.
You're too afraid to make a list of unsavory characters that support Trump because you know Kamala wins that battle, lol.
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Iran wants this because they are backing the people fighting against Israel. They don't need Russia involved to have an opinion.
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To be fair, whatever was leaked has to be verified if they want to use it. The hacker(s) have a powerful motive to release what they have obtained selectively, or even to carefully alter the material.
One positive thing: the material can be used to point journalists toward sources that could provide the same information in a way that would raise fewer legal questions. I'm sure the fate of Snowden and Assange has had the desired chilling affect on our so-called free press.
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Never following through on his promises is one of his trademarks. Sometimes I think that's a benefit.
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It obviously is. He can go straight to blaming somebody and making even more fantastic promises. And his fans eat it up.
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The thing is, he made promises about a bunch of things before he was elected, then he never followed through on those promises.
Obviously not. He does not even have the skills to do what he promises. And he probably knows that. But look, he gets people to cheer for him anyways, even at 1000 lies per day. Typical abysmal "leader": Does know how to get the position, but cannot actually fill it halfway competently. Democracy only works reasonably well if voters are somewhat aware of actual reality and how thing really work. That seems to be missing here.
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Can confirm, from the New Jersey days of long ago.
I can't imagine taking a contract without up-front payments but that might also be all you get.
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My dumb clients are always telling me how to do my job... even though, they have Zero experience in IT, and I have over 40 years.
It usually becomes an argument, where they say Joe did it like such an such... and you should do it that way.
I tell them fine, I'm not doing that. Get Joe to to it. You're fired.
I win 100% of the time, because, most of them back down and say, OK, do it your way (i.e. the right way) and a few walk
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Ah, yes, _those_ customers. They get you because they need you and then they try hard not to listen to you. Stoooopid.
When I was doing consulting, whenever one of those requested an offer, we just added 100% to the hourly rate. Never got taken up on it.
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Now express this sentiment scaled up for running an entire national government.
Why would anyone that is competent, want to deal with bosses that are demonstrably incompetent?
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I've always wondered why people single out "government" as terrible, since those same folks usually give a pass to large corporations who make governments seem efficient and non-corrupt. Governments, like any group with more than three people, include corruption, idiocy, and many other vices.
Two parts of the US government: First, the Post Office. They need an act of congress to even change their rates; they have to have staffed offices in every podunk town; and nobody sends letters anymore. Yet the PO k
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I think it is because government often means a stupid leader selected by a stupid population. With an enterprise, sure, stupid leadership is common, even in really large and important ones (see, e.g. Intel and Boeing), but the organization sort-of did it to themselves.
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Well, yes. But doing that is a _really_ stupid thing when you want to be a leader and need good info and advice. I guess Trump just wants the role and the prestige, but actually trying to do a good job does not even enter his mind.
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