Musk Signals Fresh Push To End US Daylight Saving Time 263
The Department of Government Efficiency, headed by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, appears to be signaling its intention to tackle daylight saving time. Musk has indicated support for ending semiannual clock changes in recent days on his social media platform X, sharing a poll showing majority opposition to the practice.
DOGE co-head Ramaswamy also backed the stance, calling time changes "inefficient and easy to change."
The initiative follows a failed 2022 legislative attempt, the Sunshine Protection Act, which passed the Senate but stalled in the House. The Department of Transportation, which oversees time changes, cannot alter the system without congressional action.
Public sentiment appears to favor reform, with a 2022 YouGov poll showing two-thirds of Americans support ending time changes. Studies have linked the switches to increased rates of heart attacks and traffic accidents, while JPMorgan Chase research found the return to standard time reduces consumer spending by up to 4.9%. Several countries including Mexico, Russia, and Turkey have already discontinued daylight saving time, which originated during World War I as an energy conservation measure.
DOGE co-head Ramaswamy also backed the stance, calling time changes "inefficient and easy to change."
The initiative follows a failed 2022 legislative attempt, the Sunshine Protection Act, which passed the Senate but stalled in the House. The Department of Transportation, which oversees time changes, cannot alter the system without congressional action.
Public sentiment appears to favor reform, with a 2022 YouGov poll showing two-thirds of Americans support ending time changes. Studies have linked the switches to increased rates of heart attacks and traffic accidents, while JPMorgan Chase research found the return to standard time reduces consumer spending by up to 4.9%. Several countries including Mexico, Russia, and Turkey have already discontinued daylight saving time, which originated during World War I as an energy conservation measure.
France... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:France... (Score:5, Insightful)
Socialism killed my country.
Hyperbole much?
France is objectively one of the best countries to live in on this planet. Go ahead. Compare it to all the other nations. Compare it to how France was 50 years ago.
The reality is that you are 'spoiled', in that all the things that were created through the blood, tears and sweat of your ancestors and the others of their times, are things you take for granted (something libertarians always do, btw).
Don't get me wrong: making government more efficient and judging whether social democratic policies are achieving what they should is very important. Regularly reevaluating regulations and laws should be an integral part of governing. But saying shit like "socialism killed my country" and supporting giving the keys to your democracy to some MBA-like fuck who will almost certainly throw away the societal baby with the inefficiency bath water is retarded.
Re: France... (Score:2)
Mod parent way up.
Re: France... (Score:4, Insightful)
Mod parent way up.
Yep, OP just wants to blame all their problems on the great spectre of communism... ignoring the fact that it's been ultra-capitalists that have been in charge for the last 2 decades at least. France's right has been in charge since 1995 with the exception of Hollande's govt from 2012-2017.
The big issue in France at the moment is youth unemployment... the magic free market isn't doing anything to help this.
Right now, France's far left and far right are getting along trying to take down the govt (there's a no confidence vote today), when communists and fascists agree on something it is almost universally bad (esp. if you're Poland).
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Regularly reevaluating regulations and laws should be an integral part of governing.
Yeah, well. Trouble is, in an overregulated and statist environment, "reevaluations" tend to end in more regulations on top of existing ones in order to "fix" problems. It's a paradigm. Fundamental reforms do not happen - they're hard, uncomfortable and ultimately an admission of error. This regulatory calcification then ends in stagnation.
Re:France... (Score:5, Insightful)
France's socialized healthcare system in particular is highly ranked. They have a decent high speed rail network. They aren't all that socialist - you have to pay to use a lot of the privately built autoroutes (motorways/freeways), although when you do they are generally excellent, well maintained, good charging infrastructure, nice break areas etc.
Libertarians always look at countries like that and think it's all fat that could be trimmed away, but if they ever manage to do that they end up like Argentina.
France is Great but you pay for it (Score:3)
France's socialized healthcare system in particular is highly ranked. They have a decent high speed rail network. They aren't all that socialist ...
I lived in France for a couple of years and I completely agree that it was a great place to live provided you can speak French reasonably well. However, I was working at an international organization (CERN) which meant I was classed as an international civil servant (fonctionnaire internationale) so I did not have to pay French taxes (which given I was a UK postdoc being paid a pittance at the time was a good thing!). However, I did get some French income tax papers sent to me and the tax rate was eye-wate
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That's more of a EU problem than a France problem. It's one of the few areas where North America is actually ahead of Europe. Smoking rates in Europe are far higher than they are in North America and general attitudes are such that smoking is actively discouraged. It's why vaping is current target because it's the gateway to getting lifelong addicts.
Ironically, I think it's because cigarettes are cheaper in the EU than they are in the US because to help discourage
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France would desperately need a DOGE.
Venice already tried that.
Besides, France already has a DOGE [wikipedia.org] at home.
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You might want to read up Musk's policy positions, particularly with regard to universal healthcare, public transportation, labor rights, public education - you name it.
Maybe if you live in Somalia, they might be acceptable, but not if you live in the US or France, and I have lived in both for decades.
If anything like DOGE ever was even hinted at in France, you would have a general strike like the one in 1995 that lasted 3 weeks and paralyzed much of the country. I was there for it. The strike was very succ
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That won't change with DOGE, in fact it will arguably get worse as they slash any regulation that impedes profit. Look at
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Yeah I don't think public healthcare and strong labour protections killed France.
France is a nuclear power and other than Poland the only EU country with a militaristic bent. France will be fine
Re:France... (Score:5, Interesting)
RFK should help with that. Most people eat poison and medicate themselves to death.
Anyone else get the feeling RFK is actually a closet Scientologist? It's like he's just waiting for the right opportunity to finally start with the whole body thetans thing, and the anticipation is driving him mad.
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Anyone else get the feeling RFK is actually a closet Scientologist? It's like he's just waiting for the right opportunity to finally start with the whole body thetans thing, and the anticipation is driving him mad.
Thats just what it looks like on the surface, yes, but if you dig a bit deeper you’ll find it’s just what the brainworms think is most effective at furthering their cause. I can’t say it’s not an ineffective approach.
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Noted heroin junkie and brain parasite enthusiast RFK Jr?
Re:France... (Score:4)
Yes, let's put the roadkill-eating anti-vaccination heroin addict with a literal brain worm - who's body of work in public health includes prolonging a deadly (over 80 dead) measles outbreak in Samoa by delaying the door-to-door vaccination effort that actually ended it [nytimes.com] - in charge of the national health infrastructure.
Extra credit for doing that right as we're getting evidence of avian flu infections in humans, only 4 years after the last deadly pandemic that killed more Americans than any armed conflict in our ~250 years of being a country. But hey, Kennedy also recommends drinking raw milk [sciencenews.org] so what could be the problem there? Oh, wait... they're finding avian flu virus in raw milk now... [umn.edu]
Holy shit you people are stupid. But at least dentists will be making a lot more money when he stops fluoridation of drinking water, right?
Re:France... (Score:4)
Can't tell if trolling or...
It's not trolling if they believe it. Is it really that hard to swallow that half of America has set up shop on the peak of Dunning-Kruger's Mt. Stupid? Honestly, I find it easier to believe that there is no trolling anymore. Heck maybe there never was any and it was always just someone saying what they really thought while hiding it behind a veil of "just kidding" in case they're called out.
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while hiding it behind a veil of "just kidding" in case they're called out.
Otherwise known as the "Trump PR strategy" for the last 8 years.
Remember, he was "just being sarcastic" when saying every provably stupid thing he's said for the last 9 years. And for some reason, nobody has ever asked why he feels that sarcasm is an appropriate response serious questions about serious problems.
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Also, "he's just playing 4D chess with the libtards". Seriously, he was being defended for tweeting "covfefe" which to most normal people was seen as an honest typo. Mostly, Trump (and Musk) have rich-guy syndrome - nobody around them dares to point out mistakes or give constructive criticism, so they end up with a world view that they must be the smartest guy in the world because that's what everyone around them says.
"What if we abolished daylight savings time?" "OMG sir, that is brilliant, I wish we ha
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GGP ain't entirely wrong.
But heroin brainworm Kennedy is not the answer. The best he can offer is overcorrection and corruption.
Taken in isolation, saying "Most people eat poison and medicate themselves to death", while perhaps a bit hyperbolic, is not an unreasonable set of concerns within the field of medicine/healthcare.
Taken as a whole, suggesting that the solution to this reasonable concern in the field of medicine/healthcare is to follow the lead of a person who has absolutely no knowledge, education, experience, or expertise in the field of medicine/healthcare, and is actually hostile to the accumulated knowledge that the hum
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But when a person cannot differentiate if the thing they said is wrong or right and they think everything is right, that's not a good sign. A broken clock geing right once a day is not a good reason to trust that clock. If all RFK is doing is repeating stuff he heard on the internet, then some of it may be right (American diet is bad, we all know this, it's an obviousity) but some of it will be bonkers.
The fact that even some of it is bonkers is the primary reason to NOT trust him! ("Oh sure my dad's a f
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I've been perfectly happy with my healthcare...still am.
I would suggest that you as an individual might not represent 100% of the citizens of the US, though.
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I've been perfectly happy with my healthcare...still am.
So you're happy paying for the healthcare of others (aka how all insurance works) and getting a really shitty return on your investment?
Re: France... (Score:2)
Not Biannual (Score:2)
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I just hope they don't try keeping Daylight Saving Time going year round again and simply stay on Standard Time year round.
They can replace the hours of the day with names of aging rock stars for all I care, so long as the end result is that I no longer have to futilely attempt to adjust my sleep schedule by an hour twice a year.
Let the businesses/schools/etc. figure out if Alice Cooper o'clock or Keith Richards o'clock is an appropriate closing time, and adjust accordingly throughout the year.
Re:Not Biannual (Score:4, Insightful)
The majority want to get rid of the switching.
The problem is that they can't agree on which direction to go. Morning people want normal hours. Partiers want DST 365. Also where you live in your timezone can matter. Those on the east of their time zones already get morning sun, so are more inclined to want later sunlight. Those on the western edges of their timezone already get later afternoon/evening sunlight, and would be sending their kids to school in the dark if DST was 365 days, so they generally want to stay with standard hours.
So the solution is not simple at all. The polls on which way to go are often a 40-40-20 (last 20 are "I don't care") split.
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Yep, I am in Minnesota so either direction will be about the same for me during the winter months. My day will still be book-ended by darkness.
I would tend to favor Standard Time since I am an early riser, but I don't really care either way. If the majority want Daylight Saving Time, so be it.
The time switch twice a year increasingly throws me for a loop the older I get.
This latest switch affected me for a week. It's a classic "off by 1" problem and my body is increasingly unable to adapt.
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The problem is that they can't agree on which direction to go.
For fun, I checked the YouGov poll results [yougov.com]. There's an overwhelming preference for permanent DST (about 2:1). I don't personally like that idea but would probably take it over our current system. Honestly, I'm a little less adamant about it than I was a few years ago.
Just for chuckles, let me throw this out. I recently visited Fairbanks, Alaska (yay dark skies and solar max!). Sunrise there today is about 10:30 AM, sunset is 3 PM. Those poor icicles are starting and ending their days in the dark no matter w
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Hey, I wonder if anyone has ever tried year round daylight savings time? I wonder how that went....
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That's exactly what they're thinking. "Abolish daylight savings time" doesn't mean that, it means abolishing the change.
People have a deep-seated belief that changing time is what makes days shorter in the winter. Simple solution, just don't do that. What they never think about is that you're perfectly free to stay on daylight savings time year round, no legislation necessary. You just have to not fall back in the fall and get up an hour earlier than you would have otherwise.
Re:Not Biannual (Score:4, Informative)
You are completely wrong. Biannual means twice a year
Unfortunately, both meanings for biannual (twice per year, and once per two years) are in use. See, for example, https://www.dictionary.com/bro... [dictionary.com]
Biennial means every other year. Semiannual is a neologism for biannual for people who can't remember the difference between biannual and biennial.
The word "semiannual" dates to 1775 [etymonline.com]. "Biannual," on the other hand, dates to 1837 [etymonline.com]. So, you have it backwards: "Biannual" is the neologism.
For people who know Latin prefixes, "semiannual" is a clear and unambiguous term. https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]
States Rights (Score:3, Funny)
There should be a vote of the citizens of each state (and territory) to decide whether they will have DST, and which time zone they are in.
Re:States Rights (Score:4, Funny)
There should be a vote of the citizens of each state (and territory) to decide whether they will have DST, and which time zone they are in.
People should be free to choose the time zone they'll observe. It's 5 o'clock somewhere, right?
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There should be a vote of the citizens of each state (and territory) to decide whether they will have DST, and which time zone they are in.
It already is decided by State -- and even by county within some States (or State). You have your States' Rights (note where the apostophe goes, btw) wish granted; you can move on to your next battle.
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DOGE=silly wanking (Score:5, Insightful)
Just another "Blue Ribbon Commission" whose recommendations will ignored by Congress.
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Hopefully....
Though this particular change, I can get behind.
I guess even a broken clock, etc, etc.
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One hopes. I've seen a comparison made already calling it "handing Musk the controller that's not plugged in" to shut up your sibling.
They have no direct power. For now.
I hate DST but I wouldn't trust these two to take out the garbage much less anything which matters.
Irrational people will try to block this... (Score:5, Interesting)
The second you start to propose locking the clock and not changing it, plenty of folks will start crying about kids walking to school in the dark because they don't understand that the time on the clock is arbitrary, that we could start school at 1PM or 4AM or whatever, the time on the clock is irrelevant - start school as it pertains to the sun in the sky and not the number on the clock. Once we stick to a time scheme we can adjust society accordingly.
This wouldn't even be an issue if we all followed UTC time...
Re:Irrational people will try to block this... (Score:5, Insightful)
start school as it pertains to the sun in the sky and not the number on the clock
You say this like constants are unnecessary. Does this mean you'd shift the school time by minutes every day according to sun movements? Or do you reduce it to a few constants? Does this mean that in a "long" country schools start at different times? How do you think people could remotely organize/coordinate activities with times being constantly in flux? It's not as simple.
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Both India and China have one national time zone and neither switches between standard or savings (China stopped switching three decades ago). India is 30 minutes offset from most of the rest of the world, which complicates international communication (Internet meetings are often missed or confused). The residents of western China may have become accustomed to Beijing time, but I was thoroughly annoyed to be awoken at "4 am" (apparent solar time) to the "East is Red" blasting from loud speakers every mornin
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Which is exactly what the people in China who live west of Beijing do.
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The US already has three timezones. Many large countries that could cover multiple timezones have just one, and somehow they manage. Like Americans know that one coast is a couple of hours behind the other, they know that people at one end of the country start work an hour or two later.
While getting rid of DST, let's think about dropping leap seconds too. Arguably those are even worse, because they cannot be predicted in advance. Software has to be updated to account for them, either has to deal with 61 sec
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The US already has three timezones.
The continental US has four time zones, and that is easily known. (not counting Alaska, Hawaii, etc. of course) Maybe you should save your pontificating for the other side of the Atlantic.
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But there are 11 time zones in Russia [youtube.com]!
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Our chief time zone is fear! Fear and surprise. Our two time zones are fear and surprise. And ruthless efficiency. Our THREE time zones are...
Re:Irrational people will try to block this... (Score:5, Interesting)
they don't understand that the time on the clock is arbitrary, that we could start school at 1PM or 4AM or whatever
You postulated a problem of influencing one person. Your solution to the problem is influencing two people. That's fundamentally the issue here. Societal wide change is borderline impossible to implement without massive external influence (e.g. 9/11, natural disaster, etc). The people who are (in my opinion stupidly) concerned about the kids walking in the dark to school are the same people who *KNOW* you're not going to get the school system to start at 1pm. The people who you want to change the school to 1pm *KNOW* you're not going to get the parent's work shifts adjusted so they can get their kids to school during the middle of the work day. etc. etc. etc.
The same has played out in Europe. DST as a EU mandate was abolished. It's now up to the member sites. Oh except nothing changed because each member site doesn't want to be the one to create a weird arbitrary time border with it's neighbour and the same example as above is playing out on a continental wide political level.
This is more than just a few irrational people. My prediction: Musk won't change anything.
Also now let's argue whether we adopt permanent summer time and winter time.
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they don't understand that the time on the clock is arbitrary, that we could start school at 1PM or 4AM or whatever
You postulated a problem of influencing one person. Your solution to the problem is influencing two people. That's fundamentally the issue here. Societal wide change is borderline impossible to implement without massive external influence (e.g. 9/11, natural disaster, etc). The people who are (in my opinion stupidly) concerned about the kids walking in the dark to school are the same people who *KNOW* you're not going to get the school system to start at 1pm. The people who you want to change the school to 1pm *KNOW* you're not going to get the parent's work shifts adjusted so they can get their kids to school during the middle of the work day. etc. etc. etc.
The same has played out in Europe. DST as a EU mandate was abolished. It's now up to the member sites. Oh except nothing changed because each member site doesn't want to be the one to create a weird arbitrary time border with it's neighbour and the same example as above is playing out on a continental wide political level.
This is more than just a few irrational people. My prediction: Musk won't change anything.
Also now let's argue whether we adopt permanent summer time and winter time.
I don't think the US will have any problems creating a weird time border... Weird seems to be their thing of late.
The thing is, it should be left to the states but you know Musk and Trump wont want to do that. The reason being, that it should be left to the states that is, is that if you live in Florida, the difference between the amount of daylight you get in winter and summer is negligible, if you live in Maine, it's significant. I honestly think that with today's 24 hour world, weird time borders won't matter one bit, especially as the continental US already has 4 time zones (eastern, central, mountain and pacific), not to mention Alaska and Hawaii having their own.
I predict nothing will change as well... but mainly because Musk will be too incompetent to do it (if the inevitable fall out between the worlds two biggest manchildren doesn't occur first).
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1) No sidewalks
2) No bike lanes
3) The two main roads leading to school were (SURVEY SAYS!) 45MPH where people regularly do 50-55MPH!
So my kids were doomed to an 45 minute long bus ride every morning to go the equivalent of 3 blocks... and they didn't ha
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Also now let's argue whether we adopt permanent summer time and winter time.
Set it to whatever the hell you want, just stop changing it. High noon at a time when all the stars are out? Fine. Everyone will figure it out sooner or later. Changing the time is pure insanity.
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Aside from people who are against Musk's intentions because they have an irrational hate for Musk
Person with an irrational hate for Musk here. Nope, I'm totally for this. Switching the clock twice a year is really annoying and needs to end. Satan himself could rise up from hell and be the one proposing it and I'd still go "Yeah, the evil guy with the horns has a point."
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This wouldn't even be an issue if we all followed UTC time...
How would you like the sun rising at midnight and setting at noon?
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How would you like the sun rising at midnight and setting at noon?
Wouldn't make a difference to me, just the number on the clock that says when to get up.
(Actually, getting up at hour=0 would make a lot of logical sense. But I'd have to move west a few time zones for sunrise to be at 0:00, and that would still only be exactly right twice a year.)
Let's redefine time zones completely! (Score:2)
...(Actually, getting up at hour=0 would make a lot of logical sense. But I'd have to move west a few time zones for sunrise to be at 0:00, and that would still only be exactly right twice a year.)
The whole daylight-saving time thing could be solved if we just decided to define, say, 6:00 AM as the time of sunrise.
Of course, this would mean that the length of the day wouldn't be exactly 24 hours, but slightly shorter than 24 hours in spring, and slightly longer in autumn. But, back when clocks were mechanical, that would have been a problem, but today with electronics it would be easy.
Would mean that time zones would have to be defined by both latitude and longitude, but sure, why not?
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He's not.
BUT....he does have the attention of the nation, the incoming president and likely congress too since most of the US is in favor of stopping the switch twice a year...
So...he has a chance to help get it passed through congress and signed into law by the new president.
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the time on the clock is irrelevant - start school as it pertains to the sun in the sky and not the number on the clock. Once we stick to a time scheme we can adjust society accordingly.
We generally do start school as pertains to the sun. We call it time zones. But I have no idea why you’re suggesting we’ll “stick” to a schedule. Nature dictates when sunrise happens. You can’t even get kids to wake up “on” time. Much less shifting that schedule daily by a few minutes in order to “adjust” to literal nature. All that, to start school at the perfect hour? Screw that. Might as well tell the kids to grow up now because their employe
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I walked to school with other kids starting around age 5-6 except for some bad weather days. We rode our bikes EVERYWHERE as kids.
H
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the biggest hurdle we'll have to get past is people who have a sentimental attachment to the time on the clock, people who are so fixated on the number on the clock that they're less connected with the time of day outside.
The worlds labor is organized around "numbers on the clock". Time is a big deal and conventions have real world utility. If it is 1 PM on the west coast I know vendors on the east coast will likely be around for another hour if I need to contact them. If everyone just did their own thing based on ad-hoc notions of "time of day outside" it is hard to understand how this serves the interests of modern society.
The second you start to propose locking the clock and not changing it, plenty of folks will start crying about kids walking to school in the dark because they don't understand that the time on the clock is arbitrary, that we could start school at 1PM or 4AM or whatever, the time on the clock is irrelevant - start school as it pertains to the sun in the sky and not the number on the clock. Once we stick to a time scheme we can adjust society accordingly.
Imagine instead of changing clocks everyone just posted their own seasonal schedules for everythin
It has nothing to do with Musk [Re:Irrational...] (Score:2)
Aside from people who are against Musk's intentions because they have an irrational hate for Musk, ...
It's not Musk!
Tens of millions of people in the US have been advocating it and doing so for DECADES. Take a look at the news every single year on the days when DST starts or ends, you will see opinion pieces saying "let's stop changing clocks."
The only reason Musk is mentioned is that he's a celebrity and the news media loves him. Really, it has nothing to do with Musk.
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School time is tied directly to work time and vice versa.
This is simply false. It's obviously false because different schools start at different times. Not only that, but different school busses from the SAME school arrive at different bus stops at different times and school busses from different schools arrive at the SAME bus stop at different times.
It's also false because different JOBS start at different times.
As a parent I can assure you that the arrival time of my child's school bus has absolutely never had any connection whatsoever to the time I started wor
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9 - 5. Thats the standard business working hours. Dolly Parton even made a song about it way back when you were still shitting yellow. Thats the hours banks keep, thats the hours most non-retail businesses keep. No your walmart job doesnt keep these hours, mostly because they stay open till midnight. Almost every normal business starts between 8 and 9 am. Doctors offices, AC repair, plumbers, banks, car repair, barbers, practically everyone conforms to the 9-5 schedule. School districts set their school sc
Can someone refresh my memory (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Can someone refresh my memory (Score:5, Insightful)
and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?
Welcome to representative democracy. You elect the leaders, they choose their cronies. I'd say the American public was adequately warned that Trump would be tapping some pretty incompetent folks to be part of his administration, and by golly, the electorate responded with "that's just dandy!"
It's going to be a weird four years.
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Just like the last four? And the last four before that? And the last four... you get the picture right?
It doesn't matter which side, it's always the same.
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the electorate responded with "that's just dandy!"
It may look like the electorate said that; however, I would say that the answer was forced. Perform a poll to see the difference in how the election went and how people really feel.
Re:Can someone refresh my memory (Score:5, Insightful)
and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?
Welcome to representative democracy. You elect the leaders, they choose their cronies.
I don't so much mind that Donald T is choosing his cabinet and staffing the executive positions. That's how the government works. Don't like it, elect somebody else.
What bothers me is that he defined a new position, "Department of Government Efficiency," and then declared that this position does not require financial disclosure and is exempt from government ethics rules about conflict of interest.
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I'm not seeing anyone convicted of crimes or in need of pardons.
Re:Can someone refresh my memory (Score:4, Insightful)
and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?
Please tell me you actually paid attention to what your politicians were saying before you voted. In defense of Musk, I (someone not in America and who has no stake in the election) knew well in advance of your election that a vote for Trump meant a cabinet with Musk in it.
I mean there was even a globally distributed meme of Musk acting like a fucking weirdo on stage with Trump at a rally. The WORLD saw this. Did you not?
Re:Can someone refresh my memory (Score:4, Interesting)
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and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?
When we started forming governments comprised of The People. Appointing has been going on for decades. Ask yourself why that hair up your ass is named Elon.
So we are all switching to (Score:2)
Mars Central Time
Good but not enough (Score:3)
UTC for everybody, dammit!
Wait, no. Better still, Unix time for everybody, ala the late Vernor Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky [wikipedia.org]
DST to start... (Score:2)
easy to change ? (Score:3)
Go ahead please, I am very interested to know how "easy to change" it will be.
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DOGE co-head Ramaswamy also backed the stance, calling time changes "inefficient and easy to change."
Go ahead please, I am very interested to know how "easy to change" it will be.
Uh, Congress passes a bill, the President signs it, and it's law. No more spring forward or fall back. It's really not that complicated. It never has been. The problem has been equal parts inertia and opposition from the Chamber of Commerce [wnycstudios.org]:
""Since 1915, the principal supporter of daylight saving in the United States has been the Chamber of Commerce on behalf of small business and retailers," says Downing. "The Chamber understood that if you give workers more sunlight at the end of the day they'll stop and
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DOGE co-head Ramaswamy also backed the stance, calling time changes "inefficient and easy to change."
Go ahead please, I am very interested to know how "easy to change" it will be.
Uh, Congress passes a bill, the President signs it, and it's law.
So easy ! And of course implemented for March 9th 2025 ?
Why are you pimping this DOGE nonsense? (Score:2)
answered your own question (Score:2)
"It's just a topic heading on X." /. editors look for the easiest way to do the least amount of work, preferably none.
Exactly. That's why.
And they don't care what the topic is, and they don't care that they're normalizing garbage this embarrassing.
The idea that the "department of government efficiency" is legitimate is as ridiculous as Giuliani's Four Seasons (Total Landscaping" press conference. These two morons are being played by Trump. DOGE is a laser pointer to distract billionaires. Look how great
"Musk Says" (Score:4, Insightful)
Literally all news is these days, this lying liar said a thing that will never happen!
Did we ask any follow ups? Nope! Did he give any specifics? Nope! If I think about if for even a half a second does it seem remotely plausible? Nope!
BUT MUSK SAYS
Doesn't Exist (Score:3)
There's no such thing.
subshine protection act (Score:2)
I still donâ(TM)t understand (Score:2)
I still donâ(TM)t understand why they donâ(TM)t just freaking change the clock by 30 minutes and then lock it there. Itâ(TM)s a compromise between both times and would work fine.
No one elected you. (Score:2)
S&W (Score:2)
Please, Zuck went hat-in-hand to Mar-a-Lago sti the same time Facebook was permabanning Smith & Wesson from their platforms, one of the oldest companies in America.
Trump's FTC is going to do damage and the Facebook shareholders should be *pissed* at these Woke unforced errors.
If Zuck can't stop these behaviors the shareholders should demand that the Board replace him.
They won't and the breakup will be worse than the other options.
Re: (Score:2)
But a lot of people are sick and tired of changing the clocks twice a year, and for what?
Personally I'll be glad if daylightsavingtime is discarded (here in the Netherland) and set back to standard time, BUT here they are thinking of keeping the daylightsavingtime all year instead of standard time, and THAT'S not something I like as DST has a bigger negative impact on my biorhythm as standard time.
Re:Musk Twitter polls (Score:4, Informative)
Musk's Incel Army on Twitter is gonna take whatever position Musk indicates he holds himself - it's not indicative of the wider population.
Based on publicly available polling data there seems to be majority in favor of doing away with DST transition.
There was also so much of a majority in the 70s that they got their wish in 74 when the DST flag was permanently enabled. In less than a years time public opinion was squarely against it and the changes were rolled back.
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And Musk Derangement Syndrome Sufferers will take the opposite position by default.
Most of the people who have had enough of Leon have quit the social media site formerly known as Twitter, for Bluesky or Threads.
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Per usual its just tech bros saying things with no clue what actually has to happen. The chances they follow through with a months long push on congress to draft a bill and shepherd it through the process? Zero percent.
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