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Musk Signals Fresh Push To End US Daylight Saving Time 168

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The Department of Government Efficiency, headed by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, appears to be signaling its intention to tackle daylight saving time. Musk has indicated support for ending semiannual clock changes in recent days on his social media platform X, sharing a poll showing majority opposition to the practice.

DOGE co-head Ramaswamy also backed the stance, calling time changes "inefficient and easy to change."

The initiative follows a failed 2022 legislative attempt, the Sunshine Protection Act, which passed the Senate but stalled in the House. The Department of Transportation, which oversees time changes, cannot alter the system without congressional action.

Public sentiment appears to favor reform, with a 2022 YouGov poll showing two-thirds of Americans support ending time changes. Studies have linked the switches to increased rates of heart attacks and traffic accidents, while JPMorgan Chase research found the return to standard time reduces consumer spending by up to 4.9%. Several countries including Mexico, Russia, and Turkey have already discontinued daylight saving time, which originated during World War I as an energy conservation measure.

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  • France... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by pierreact ( 983133 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @02:45AM (#64989477)
    France would desperately need a DOGE. Not sure how far Musk will go into this, certainly replacing an extreme by another extreme won't help much but hell, when gov is too fat, how can you hope proper economics? Socialism killed my country.

    • Re:France... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by dinfinity ( 2300094 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:36AM (#64989555)

      Socialism killed my country.

      Hyperbole much?
      France is objectively one of the best countries to live in on this planet. Go ahead. Compare it to all the other nations. Compare it to how France was 50 years ago.

      The reality is that you are 'spoiled', in that all the things that were created through the blood, tears and sweat of your ancestors and the others of their times, are things you take for granted (something libertarians always do, btw).

      Don't get me wrong: making government more efficient and judging whether social democratic policies are achieving what they should is very important. Regularly reevaluating regulations and laws should be an integral part of governing. But saying shit like "socialism killed my country" and supporting giving the keys to your democracy to some MBA-like fuck who will almost certainly throw away the societal baby with the inefficiency bath water is retarded.

      • Mod parent way up.

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by mjwx ( 966435 )

          Mod parent way up.

          Yep, OP just wants to blame all their problems on the great spectre of communism... ignoring the fact that it's been ultra-capitalists that have been in charge for the last 2 decades at least. France's right has been in charge since 1995 with the exception of Hollande's govt from 2012-2017.

          The big issue in France at the moment is youth unemployment... the magic free market isn't doing anything to help this.

          Right now, France's far left and far right are getting along trying to take down the govt (there

          • What I don't get is France is having civil unrest over raising the retirement age cause their retiree-to-worker ratio is becoming unsupportable. Yet their is high youth unemployment. How do those two things happen at once?

      • Regularly reevaluating regulations and laws should be an integral part of governing.

        Yeah, well. Trouble is, in an overregulated and statist environment, "reevaluations" tend to end in more regulations on top of existing ones in order to "fix" problems. It's a paradigm. Fundamental reforms do not happen - they're hard, uncomfortable and ultimately an admission of error. This regulatory calcification then ends in stagnation.

      • Re:France... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @05:27AM (#64989681) Homepage Journal

        France's socialized healthcare system in particular is highly ranked. They have a decent high speed rail network. They aren't all that socialist - you have to pay to use a lot of the privately built autoroutes (motorways/freeways), although when you do they are generally excellent, well maintained, good charging infrastructure, nice break areas etc.

        Libertarians always look at countries like that and think it's all fat that could be trimmed away, but if they ever manage to do that they end up like Argentina.

      • Socialism killed my country.

        Hyperbole much?
        France is objectively one of the best countries to live in on this planet. Go ahead. Compare it to all the other nations. Compare it to how France was 50 years ago.

        The reality is that you are 'spoiled', in that all the things that were created through the blood, tears and sweat of your ancestors and the others of their times, are things you take for granted (something libertarians always do, btw).

        So a Frenchman... who actually grew up in France... complains about his country, and immediately, a bunch of Americans and Canadians jump in to lecture him about how shitty he is and how great France is. That's pretty damned arrogant.

      • Compare it to how France was 50 years ago.

        Try comparing it to how France was 80 years ago!

    • France would desperately need a DOGE.

      Venice already tried that.

      Besides, France already has a DOGE [wikipedia.org] at home.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by madbrain ( 11432 )

      You might want to read up Musk's policy positions, particularly with regard to universal healthcare, public transportation, labor rights, public education - you name it.
      Maybe if you live in Somalia, they might be acceptable, but not if you live in the US or France, and I have lived in both for decades.
      If anything like DOGE ever was even hinted at in France, you would have a general strike like the one in 1995 that lasted 3 weeks and paralyzed much of the country. I was there for it. The strike was very succ

    • France is lower than many other places, and not much higher (4%) than the USA. Count yourself lucky that you still get some return on taxes. Here in the USA most taxes go to corporate welfare giveaways like pathetic school lunches that would make French parents protest and a dearth of services overall so that corporate agriculture can be given huge sums of cash to boost their profits.

      That won't change with DOGE, in fact it will arguably get worse as they slash any regulation that impedes profit. Look at

    • Yeah I don't think public healthcare and strong labour protections killed France.

      France is a nuclear power and other than Poland the only EU country with a militaristic bent. France will be fine

  • Biannual would be every two years. Semiannual, meaning every half year is more accurate. I just hope they don't try keeping Daylight Saving Time going year round again and simply stay on Standard Time year round. And, while I'm thinking of it, First Post!

    • I just hope they don't try keeping Daylight Saving Time going year round again and simply stay on Standard Time year round.

      They can replace the hours of the day with names of aging rock stars for all I care, so long as the end result is that I no longer have to futilely attempt to adjust my sleep schedule by an hour twice a year.

      Let the businesses/schools/etc. figure out if Alice Cooper o'clock or Keith Richards o'clock is an appropriate closing time, and adjust accordingly throughout the year.

    • Re:Not Biannual (Score:4, Insightful)

      by acroyear ( 5882 ) <jws-slashdot@javaclientcookbook.net> on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @08:42AM (#64990007) Homepage Journal

      The majority want to get rid of the switching.

      The problem is that they can't agree on which direction to go. Morning people want normal hours. Partiers want DST 365. Also where you live in your timezone can matter. Those on the east of their time zones already get morning sun, so are more inclined to want later sunlight. Those on the western edges of their timezone already get later afternoon/evening sunlight, and would be sending their kids to school in the dark if DST was 365 days, so they generally want to stay with standard hours.

      So the solution is not simple at all. The polls on which way to go are often a 40-40-20 (last 20 are "I don't care") split.

      • Yep, I am in Minnesota so either direction will be about the same for me during the winter months. My day will still be book-ended by darkness.

        I would tend to favor Standard Time since I am an early riser, but I don't really care either way. If the majority want Daylight Saving Time, so be it.

        The time switch twice a year increasingly throws me for a loop the older I get.

        This latest switch affected me for a week. It's a classic "off by 1" problem and my body is increasingly unable to adapt.

      • The majority want to get rid of the switching.

        The problem is that they can't agree on which direction to go. Morning people want normal hours. Partiers want DST 365. Also where you live in your timezone can matter. Those on the east of their time zones already get morning sun, so are more inclined to want later sunlight. Those on the western edges of their timezone already get later afternoon/evening sunlight, and would be sending their kids to school in the dark if DST was 365 days, so they generally want

      • The problem is that they can't agree on which direction to go.

        For fun, I checked the YouGov poll results [yougov.com]. There's an overwhelming preference for permanent DST (about 2:1). I don't personally like that idea but would probably take it over our current system. Honestly, I'm a little less adamant about it than I was a few years ago.

        Just for chuckles, let me throw this out. I recently visited Fairbanks, Alaska (yay dark skies and solar max!). Sunrise there today is about 10:30 AM, sunset is 3 PM. Those poor icicles are starting and ending their days in the dark no matter w

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Hey, I wonder if anyone has ever tried year round daylight savings time? I wonder how that went....

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      That's exactly what they're thinking. "Abolish daylight savings time" doesn't mean that, it means abolishing the change.

      People have a deep-seated belief that changing time is what makes days shorter in the winter. Simple solution, just don't do that. What they never think about is that you're perfectly free to stay on daylight savings time year round, no legislation necessary. You just have to not fall back in the fall and get up an hour earlier than you would have otherwise.

  • States Rights (Score:3, Funny)

    by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:01AM (#64989487)

    There should be a vote of the citizens of each state (and territory) to decide whether they will have DST, and which time zone they are in.

    • There should be a vote of the citizens of each state (and territory) to decide whether they will have DST, and which time zone they are in.

      People should be free to choose the time zone they'll observe. It's 5 o'clock somewhere, right?

    • There should be a vote of the citizens of each state (and territory) to decide whether they will have DST, and which time zone they are in.

      It already is decided by State -- and even by county within some States (or State). You have your States' Rights (note where the apostophe goes, btw) wish granted; you can move on to your next battle.

      • "It already is decided by State"

        A US State can only decide to have no DST or to change between DST and Standard time on the Federally specified intervals. A State cannot chose to be permanently on DST.

  • DOGE=silly wanking (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mjphil ( 113320 ) * on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:03AM (#64989491)

    Just another "Blue Ribbon Commission" whose recommendations will ignored by Congress.

    • Hopefully....

      Though this particular change, I can get behind.

      I guess even a broken clock, etc, etc.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dbialac ( 320955 )
      At minimum, don't end DST. End standard time. Almost nobody utilizes daylight at 4AM. Almost everybody uses it in the evening.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by waspleg ( 316038 )

      One hopes. I've seen a comparison made already calling it "handing Musk the controller that's not plugged in" to shut up your sibling.

      They have no direct power. For now.

      I hate DST but I wouldn't trust these two to take out the garbage much less anything which matters.

  • Irrational people will try to block this... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by urbanriot ( 924981 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:04AM (#64989493)
    Aside from people who are against Musk's intentions because they have an irrational hate for Musk, the biggest hurdle we'll have to get past is people who have a sentimental attachment to the time on the clock, people who are so fixated on the number on the clock that they're less connected with the time of day outside.

    The second you start to propose locking the clock and not changing it, plenty of folks will start crying about kids walking to school in the dark because they don't understand that the time on the clock is arbitrary, that we could start school at 1PM or 4AM or whatever, the time on the clock is irrelevant - start school as it pertains to the sun in the sky and not the number on the clock. Once we stick to a time scheme we can adjust society accordingly.

    This wouldn't even be an issue if we all followed UTC time...

    • Re:Irrational people will try to block this... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by fleeped ( 1945926 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:21AM (#64989519)

      start school as it pertains to the sun in the sky and not the number on the clock

      You say this like constants are unnecessary. Does this mean you'd shift the school time by minutes every day according to sun movements? Or do you reduce it to a few constants? Does this mean that in a "long" country schools start at different times? How do you think people could remotely organize/coordinate activities with times being constantly in flux? It's not as simple.

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        The US already has three timezones. Many large countries that could cover multiple timezones have just one, and somehow they manage. Like Americans know that one coast is a couple of hours behind the other, they know that people at one end of the country start work an hour or two later.

        While getting rid of DST, let's think about dropping leap seconds too. Arguably those are even worse, because they cannot be predicted in advance. Software has to be updated to account for them, either has to deal with 61 sec

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by Megane ( 129182 )

          The US already has three timezones.

          The continental US has four time zones, and that is easily known. (not counting Alaska, Hawaii, etc. of course) Maybe you should save your pontificating for the other side of the Atlantic.

    • Re:Irrational people will try to block this... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:33AM (#64989545)

      they don't understand that the time on the clock is arbitrary, that we could start school at 1PM or 4AM or whatever

      You postulated a problem of influencing one person. Your solution to the problem is influencing two people. That's fundamentally the issue here. Societal wide change is borderline impossible to implement without massive external influence (e.g. 9/11, natural disaster, etc). The people who are (in my opinion stupidly) concerned about the kids walking in the dark to school are the same people who *KNOW* you're not going to get the school system to start at 1pm. The people who you want to change the school to 1pm *KNOW* you're not going to get the parent's work shifts adjusted so they can get their kids to school during the middle of the work day. etc. etc. etc.

      The same has played out in Europe. DST as a EU mandate was abolished. It's now up to the member sites. Oh except nothing changed because each member site doesn't want to be the one to create a weird arbitrary time border with it's neighbour and the same example as above is playing out on a continental wide political level.

      This is more than just a few irrational people. My prediction: Musk won't change anything.

      Also now let's argue whether we adopt permanent summer time and winter time.

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by mjwx ( 966435 )

        they don't understand that the time on the clock is arbitrary, that we could start school at 1PM or 4AM or whatever

        You postulated a problem of influencing one person. Your solution to the problem is influencing two people. That's fundamentally the issue here. Societal wide change is borderline impossible to implement without massive external influence (e.g. 9/11, natural disaster, etc). The people who are (in my opinion stupidly) concerned about the kids walking in the dark to school are the same people who *KNOW* you're not going to get the school system to start at 1pm. The people who you want to change the school to 1pm *KNOW* you're not going to get the parent's work shifts adjusted so they can get their kids to school during the middle of the work day. etc. etc. etc.

        The same has played out in Europe. DST as a EU mandate was abolished. It's now up to the member sites. Oh except nothing changed because each member site doesn't want to be the one to create a weird arbitrary time border with it's neighbour and the same example as above is playing out on a continental wide political level.

        This is more than just a few irrational people. My prediction: Musk won't change anything.

        Also now let's argue whether we adopt permanent summer time and winter time.

        I don't think the US will have any problems creating a weird time border... Weird seems to be their thing of late.

        The thing is, it should be left to the states but you know Musk and Trump wont want to do that. The reason being, that it should be left to the states that is, is that if you live in Florida, the difference between the amount of daylight you get in winter and summer is negligible, if you live in Maine, it's significant. I honestly think that with today's 24 hour world, weird time borders won'

      • They won't be able to change it because they won't install the infrastructure / make changes to keep kids safe. They could've done it when I was a kid... Today? My kids were closer to school than I was as a kid but couldn't safely walk to school. Why?

        1) No sidewalks
        2) No bike lanes
        3) The two main roads leading to school were (SURVEY SAYS!) 45MPH where people regularly do 50-55MPH!

        So my kids were doomed to an 45 minute long bus ride every morning to go the equivalent of 3 blocks... and they didn't ha

      • Also now let's argue whether we adopt permanent summer time and winter time.

        Set it to whatever the hell you want, just stop changing it. High noon at a time when all the stars are out? Fine. Everyone will figure it out sooner or later. Changing the time is pure insanity.

    • Aside from people who are against Musk's intentions because they have an irrational hate for Musk

      Person with an irrational hate for Musk here. Nope, I'm totally for this. Switching the clock twice a year is really annoying and needs to end. Satan himself could rise up from hell and be the one proposing it and I'd still go "Yeah, the evil guy with the horns has a point."

    • This wouldn't even be an issue if we all followed UTC time...

      How would you like the sun rising at midnight and setting at noon?

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by XXongo ( 3986865 )

        How would you like the sun rising at midnight and setting at noon?

        Wouldn't make a difference to me, just the number on the clock that says when to get up.

        (Actually, getting up at hour=0 would make a lot of logical sense. But I'd have to move west a few time zones for sunrise to be at 0:00, and that would still only be exactly right twice a year.)

        • ...(Actually, getting up at hour=0 would make a lot of logical sense. But I'd have to move west a few time zones for sunrise to be at 0:00, and that would still only be exactly right twice a year.)

          The whole daylight-saving time thing could be solved if we just decided to define, say, 6:00 AM as the time of sunrise.

          Of course, this would mean that the length of the day wouldn't be exactly 24 hours, but slightly shorter than 24 hours in spring, and slightly longer in autumn. But, back when clocks were mechanical, that would have been a problem, but today with electronics it would be easy.

          Would mean that time zones would have to be defined by both latitude and longitude, but sure, why not?

    • I just don't understand why Musk is more of an expert in daylight savings time than anyone else.

      • I just don't understand why Musk is more of an expert in daylight savings time than anyone else.

        He's not.

        BUT....he does have the attention of the nation, the incoming president and likely congress too since most of the US is in favor of stopping the switch twice a year...

        So...he has a chance to help get it passed through congress and signed into law by the new president.

    • the time on the clock is irrelevant - start school as it pertains to the sun in the sky and not the number on the clock. Once we stick to a time scheme we can adjust society accordingly.

      We generally do start school as pertains to the sun. We call it time zones. But I have no idea why you’re suggesting we’ll “stick” to a schedule. Nature dictates when sunrise happens. You can’t even get kids to wake up “on” time. Much less shifting that schedule daily by a few minutes in order to “adjust” to literal nature. All that, to start school at the perfect hour? Screw that. Might as well tell the kids to grow up now because their employe

    • They could fix a LOT of that by installing the infrastructure and changing items to keep kids safe when walking to school. You know, like reducing the speed limit to 25MPH in many places. Like installing wide sidewalks and actual bike lanes with another curb to separate the bike lane from the car lane. Like hiring more crossing guards to control traffic and keep kids safe.

      I walked to school with other kids starting around age 5-6 except for some bad weather days. We rode our bikes EVERYWHERE as kids.

      H

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by toddz ( 697874 )
      Are you narrowing the scope to people who irrationally hate Musk or are you trying to say anyone who hates Musk is irrational?

    • the biggest hurdle we'll have to get past is people who have a sentimental attachment to the time on the clock, people who are so fixated on the number on the clock that they're less connected with the time of day outside.

      The worlds labor is organized around "numbers on the clock". Time is a big deal and conventions have real world utility. If it is 1 PM on the west coast I know vendors on the east coast will likely be around for another hour if I need to contact them. If everyone just did their own thing based on ad-hoc notions of "time of day outside" it is hard to understand how this serves the interests of modern society.

      The second you start to propose locking the clock and not changing it, plenty of folks will start crying about kids walking to school in the dark because they don't understand that the time on the clock is arbitrary, that we could start school at 1PM or 4AM or whatever, the time on the clock is irrelevant - start school as it pertains to the sun in the sky and not the number on the clock. Once we stick to a time scheme we can adjust society accordingly.

      Imagine instead of changing clocks everyone just posted their own seasonal schedules for everythin

    • Aside from people who are against Musk's intentions because they have an irrational hate for Musk, ...

      It's not Musk!

      Tens of millions of people in the US have been advocating it and doing so for DECADES. Take a look at the news every single year on the days when DST starts or ends, you will see opinion pieces saying "let's stop changing clocks."

      The only reason Musk is mentioned is that he's a celebrity and the news media loves him. Really, it has nothing to do with Musk.

  • and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by tudza ( 842161 )
      Beginning of November.

    • Re:Can someone refresh my memory (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @03:44AM (#64989577) Homepage

      and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?

      Welcome to representative democracy. You elect the leaders, they choose their cronies. I'd say the American public was adequately warned that Trump would be tapping some pretty incompetent folks to be part of his administration, and by golly, the electorate responded with "that's just dandy!"

      It's going to be a weird four years.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Tora ( 65882 )

        Just like the last four? And the last four before that? And the last four... you get the picture right?

        It doesn't matter which side, it's always the same.

      • the electorate responded with "that's just dandy!"

        It may look like the electorate said that; however, I would say that the answer was forced. Perform a poll to see the difference in how the election went and how people really feel.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by XXongo ( 3986865 )

          the electorate responded with "that's just dandy!"

          It may look like the electorate said that; however, I would say that the answer was forced. Perform a poll to see the difference in how the election went and how people really feel.

          From the polling I've seen about why people voted as they did, this election was more about "I hate the status-quo so vote the current administration out," rather than about people liking the candidate.

          (with "the economy" listed as the main reason voters hated the status quo.)

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by XXongo ( 3986865 )

        and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?

        Welcome to representative democracy. You elect the leaders, they choose their cronies.

        I don't so much mind that Donald T is choosing his cabinet and staffing the executive positions. That's how the government works. Don't like it, elect somebody else.

        What bothers me is that he defined a new position, "Department of Government Efficiency," and then declared that this position does not require financial disclosure and is exempt from government ethics rules about conflict of interest.

    • Re:Can someone refresh my memory (Score:4, Insightful)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @06:24AM (#64989789)

      and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?

      Please tell me you actually paid attention to what your politicians were saying before you voted. In defense of Musk, I (someone not in America and who has no stake in the election) knew well in advance of your election that a vote for Trump meant a cabinet with Musk in it.

      I mean there was even a globally distributed meme of Musk acting like a fucking weirdo on stage with Trump at a rally. The WORLD saw this. Did you not?

    • Don't complain. If they spend all their time worrying about Daylight Savings time, it means they won't spend their time breaking things that matter.

    • and tell me when we voted to have Musk involved with government business exactly ?

      When we started forming governments comprised of The People. Appointing has been going on for decades. Ask yourself why that hair up your ass is named Elon.

  • Mars Central Time

  • Good but not enough (Score:3)

    by Dave Emami ( 237460 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @04:36AM (#64989631) Homepage

    UTC for everybody, dammit!

    Wait, no. Better still, Unix time for everybody, ala the late Vernor Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky [wikipedia.org]

  • ...then rules about underwear and national language [youtube.com] will follow.
  • DOGE co-head Ramaswamy also backed the stance, calling time changes "inefficient and easy to change."

    Go ahead please, I am very interested to know how "easy to change" it will be.
    • Well, at least we'll have the Lebanese IT sector [bbc.co.uk] to advise us on how to handle the mess that comes about when someone tweaks DST assuming it's easy!

    • DOGE co-head Ramaswamy also backed the stance, calling time changes "inefficient and easy to change."

      Go ahead please, I am very interested to know how "easy to change" it will be.

      Uh, Congress passes a bill, the President signs it, and it's law. No more spring forward or fall back. It's really not that complicated. It never has been. The problem has been equal parts inertia and opposition from the Chamber of Commerce [wnycstudios.org]:

      ""Since 1915, the principal supporter of daylight saving in the United States has been the Chamber of Commerce on behalf of small business and retailers," says Downing. "The Chamber understood that if you give workers more sunlight at the end of the day they'll stop and

      • DOGE co-head Ramaswamy also backed the stance, calling time changes "inefficient and easy to change."

        Go ahead please, I am very interested to know how "easy to change" it will be.

        Uh, Congress passes a bill, the President signs it, and it's law.

        So easy ! And of course implemented for March 9th 2025 ?

  • It's just a topic heading on X. And just the GOP's pathetic attempt to mimic Barack Obama's wildly successful Change.org.

    • "It's just a topic heading on X."
      Exactly. That's why. /. editors look for the easiest way to do the least amount of work, preferably none.

      And they don't care what the topic is, and they don't care that they're normalizing garbage this embarrassing.

      The idea that the "department of government efficiency" is legitimate is as ridiculous as Giuliani's Four Seasons (Total Landscaping" press conference. These two morons are being played by Trump. DOGE is a laser pointer to distract billionaires. Look how great

  • "Musk Says" (Score:3)

    by coop247 ( 974899 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @07:42AM (#64989881)
    Musk Says. Musk Says. Musk Says. Musk Says.

    Literally all news is these days, this lying liar said a thing that will never happen!

    Did we ask any follow ups? Nope! Did he give any specifics? Nope! If I think about if for even a half a second does it seem remotely plausible? Nope!

    BUT MUSK SAYS

  • Doesn't Exist (Score:3)

    by OverlordQ ( 264228 ) on Wednesday December 04, 2024 @08:44AM (#64990017) Journal

    The Department of Government Efficiency

    There's no such thing.

  • Is the wrong answer. You don't get rid of a bad idea by doubling down and making it permanent, you outlaw allowing the states to do it. DST is an optional, opt-in thing any state can stop doing at any time. We also already did year round DST before. It was an unmitigated disaster, which is why it stopped.

  • I still donâ(TM)t understand why they donâ(TM)t just freaking change the clock by 30 minutes and then lock it there. Itâ(TM)s a compromise between both times and would work fine.

  • The oligarchy is out in force.

  • Please, Zuck went hat-in-hand to Mar-a-Lago sti the same time Facebook was permabanning Smith & Wesson from their platforms, one of the oldest companies in America.

    Trump's FTC is going to do damage and the Facebook shareholders should be *pissed* at these Woke unforced errors.

    If Zuck can't stop these behaviors the shareholders should demand that the Board replace him.

    They won't and the breakup will be worse than the other options.

  • Having externally set intervals for DST solves the coordination problem of if, when, and how much to adjust clocks with respect to seasonal variation.

    Coordination problems seem irrelevant to people that no one wants to meet or talk to.

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