UK Users Show Little Concern as Apple Removes iCloud Encryption (bloomberg.com) 98
British iPhone users have shown minimal reaction to Apple's decision to disable end-to-end encryption for UK iCloud customers, challenging the company's assumption about privacy priorities, a Bloomberg columnist notes. Rather than create a government-accessible backdoor demanded under Britain's Investigatory Powers Act, Apple chose to eliminate its Advanced Data Protection feature entirely for UK customers, effectively giving both authorities and potential hackers easier access to stored emails, photos and documents.
The near absence of public outcry from British consumers points to what researchers call the "privacy paradox," where stated concerns about data security rarely translate to action. According to cited research, while 92% of American consumers believe they should control their online information, only 16% have stopped using services over data misuse. The quiet reception suggests Apple's principled stand against backdoors may have limited impact if customers don't understand or value encrypted protection, potentially undermining privacy's effectiveness as a marketing differentiator for the tech giant.
The near absence of public outcry from British consumers points to what researchers call the "privacy paradox," where stated concerns about data security rarely translate to action. According to cited research, while 92% of American consumers believe they should control their online information, only 16% have stopped using services over data misuse. The quiet reception suggests Apple's principled stand against backdoors may have limited impact if customers don't understand or value encrypted protection, potentially undermining privacy's effectiveness as a marketing differentiator for the tech giant.
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Yeah, simultaneously responsible for England's success and Greece's bankruptcy.
Yes, that's true. They forced austerity on Greece, which never works.
The GBP was the strongest going in, and it remains among the strongest post-Brexit.
The EU definitely should not have allowed the UK to join without giving up the UKP in favor of the Euro. That was a huge mistake.
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Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Any proof of that or is it you just think Brexit was a bad choice and it must be the evil Russians to blame.
Or maybe its just that the people who don't agree with you are just morons, easily fooled by the evil Russians (Ad hominem).
Re: No shit (Score:2)
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
When the official report into Russian interference in the run up to the referendum still hasn't been released nearly ten years later it's not very surprising that some people think it's been deliberately suppressed.
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Re: No shit (Score:1)
And thatâ(TM)s why itâ(TM)s perfectly reasonable for Remainers to talk about another referendum to rejoin. I think Brexiteers being rude and juvenile towards Remainers on this is just their fear of losing next time. With 3.5 million EU citizens remaining in the UK and potentially getting citizenship and the right to vote, as well as the older democratic dying out, itâ(TM)s reasonable to expect that the UK could indeed rejoin the EU.
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That's the beauty of EU democracy: if the Apparat doesn't like the result of a vote, they'll simply have it repeated later.
All countries that voted to not join the EU or the Euro were made to vote again and again and again until they did. If a country votes for a non-EU supported candidate, they annul the election and arrest the candidate just in time before the new election. If the media is EU-critical, it gets verboten and all assets seized in a 6am raid by police.
And if you think that's a strange form of
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> eave the union responsible for your financial success
I hope you are bloody kidding!
We went into the EU for ONE reason. Because one guy wanted to shift us into it without a vote to get himself set up for life. Tony Blair rode that train too, all well documented.
That was in 1992/3. When we went into the EEC bacm in the 70's (it was called something else but basically became the EEC quickly), again we had no vote and we ONLY went in there for one reason: to rebuild after we got totally thrashed FREEING
Re:Same (Score:5, Insightful)
So long as you aren't openly sharing my data with every attacker, I don't see why I'd care about e2e encryption for personal data. I don't have illegal content on my devices.
Mainly because if you don't have end-to-end encryption for personal data, there's no way to be sure you aren't openly sharing your data with every attacker. It is ridiculously easy to add a new certificate to a device's trust store, and the average user will click right through when a website asks them to do things like that. So now, instead of silent network failures, suddenly when your device is on that compromised Wi-Fi network at the coffee shop, your private messages are being slurped up by the hackers who compromised it.
Data doesn't have to be illegal to be embarrassing.
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What world do you live in where it's easy to add a trusted certificate to an Apple device?
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What world do you live in where it's easy to add a trusted certificate to an Apple device?
Never used MDM?
North Korea (Score:3)
You are the people the article is about (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Same (Score:5, Interesting)
There are so many things wrong with this statement, but to start with, what is or isn't illegal now might change with the next government. (Ask women in the US who have considered having an abortion if you think that's a someone-else problem that only applies in far away places with different cultures.)
You can now get in trouble for things you've said or done that aren't actually illegal.
It's not just about illegal content and your own police being able to access it, it's also about a commercial organisation with many thousands of employees being able to access it, and anyone else who manages to compromise that system being able to access it.
The list goes on. Everyone should be worried about moves to weaken online security. And contrary to the claim in the garbagewalled article that iPhone users have shown minimal interest, this story made the #1 spot on literally every major news and discussion website I use last week and in several cases stayed there for a day or more with unusually high participation in the resulting discussions.
Re:Same (Score:5, Informative)
As for police access, you are basically screwed in the UK. It's a crime to not give them your password. To claim that you forgot you are up against the fact that you probably unlocked your phone quite recently. I don't know how iPhones do it but Android devices require your password, not just a biometric unlock, every few days. I suppose you could say you recently changed it and forgot it, but then you are at the mercy of the jury believing you.
You can get a couple of years in prison for refusing to give the police access to your devices. Of course if the crime you are accused of is worse you may prefer to take the two years.
Other random people getting into your iCloud account is still a concern, and of course Apple has a history with that.
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Unless you are tory
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Why should your phone be any different to your home if theyâ(TM)ve got a warrant?
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Uh, no, there is still the privacy policy. There is still encryption (where they have the keys). There is just no E2E encryption.
As for thousands of employees and hackers having access, there are at least 500 million users in the cloud. What are the chances of someone taking the interest in getting my data if I'm not actively painting a bullseye on my back by doing something very unordinary with my data? Very, very small. There is a good word for worrying about things like that: paranoia.
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Great question! What are the chances? Well, first you may have to download iCloud. According to some article, it's 8 million+ TB. That's only 253 years of if your organization is streaming it at 1000MB/sec. Don't forget to store it somewhere! Maybe you have an array of magnetic disks to save on cloud costs. Enterprise grade 20TB disks for $100 each. Your vendor is suspicious, but they are enjoying the 40 million dollar order.
Next, you'd need to hack the data. If Apple (or Google, according to sources) are s
Ignorance (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Ignorance (Score:5, Insightful)
In my experience, MOST Apple users don't care about tech, they just want a status accessory.
And that is your experience. In my experience, the iPhone people I know don't care about status especially the ones that are not teenagers. They want a phone that works for them. Some of them started using iPhones as their first smart phone and they don't want to learn a new system. Yes Android has more options and most apps have both Android and iPhone versions, but they do not want to switch.
Re:Ignorance (Score:5, Insightful)
In my experience, MOST Apple users don't care about tech, they just want a status accessory.
And that is your experience. In my experience, the iPhone people I know don't care about status especially the ones that are not teenagers. They want a phone that works for them. Some of them started using iPhones as their first smart phone and they don't want to learn a new system. Yes Android has more options and most apps have both Android and iPhone versions, but they do not want to switch.
True enough. There's more reasons to not switch as well. I use Apple products because they integrate seamlessly with each other. I also prefer UNIX, I also use terminal every day on My Macs.
You are right about people wanting something that works. I would just caution everone that wanting a reliable phone that gets along with their computers and other Apple devices is not an indicator of incompetence as some in here might claim.
It's a gaddamned phone and texting device, and I want it to work and integrate every time I pick it up to use it. That's the strange thing to me - my iPhone is like my washing machine and my refrigerator, an appliance. I have 0 interest in people orgasming when they see me pull out the phone. Ain't no status symbol, it's a tool.
Now all that said, have people not learned yet that if they want to do illegal things with any smartphone, they are monumentally stupid? I'd say that level of stupidity pretty much deserves getting caught and punished.
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You are right about people wanting something that works. I would just caution everone that wanting a reliable phone that gets along with their computers and other Apple devices is not an indicator of incompetence as some in here might claim.
What an odd statement. An iPhone is worthless to me, and quite a few other professions, precisely because it doesn't get along well with computers. I've seen this also cause problems for non-professionals as well, though this has improved a little for those use cases in recent years.
Back when the silly things were new, I was traveling with a colleague who needed to send a file on his laptop. Public wireless networks were becoming increasingly common, but we couldn't find one in whatever backwater we hap
Re:Ignorance (Score:5, Informative)
His only hope was to find some way to send the file from his iPhone
This is trivially easy. If the document is stored on iCloud, it's already on your phone. If it isn't on iCloud, just AirDrop it to your iPhone. I haven't tried this third one for some time, but I believe you can still transfer a file using an actual cable connected between the iPhone and the computer.
If your laptop is a PC you're mostly SOL, but I suppose you could create a hotspot using the iPhone and just send it from the computer.
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An iPhone is worthless to me, and quite a few other professions, precisely because it doesn't get along well with computers. I've seen this also cause problems for non-professionals as well, . . Back when the silly things were new,
Do I understand that your opinion is partially based on the capabilities of a brand new device 17 years ago?
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An iPhone is worthless to me, and quite a few other professions, precisely because it doesn't get along well with computers. I've seen this also cause problems for non-professionals as well, . . Back when the silly things were new,
Do I understand that your opinion is partially based on the capabilities of a brand new device 17 years ago?
You understand precisely - making forever decisions based on sketchy experience happens a lot in here. Just like people claiming that you need to be a professional to set up Linux, and have to manually install all the drivers. Yeah, maybe at the turn of the century.
Times change, technology improves.
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Do I understand that your opinion is partially based on the capabilities of a brand new device 17 years ago?
It's one example. I can give you others if you'd like.
For the record, you still can't simply copy most file types between an iPhone and a computer. It's a senseless and frustrating limitation.
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o It's one example. I can give you others if you'd like.
So admit your example is like judging Sony's current PS5 capabilities based on the PS3 which released in 2007.
For the record, you still can't simply copy most file types between an iPhone and a computer. It's a senseless and frustrating limitation.
By "copy most file types" do you mean move files from an iPhone to a computer? I can do that quite easily all the time. Whether the computer or iPhone can read the file is another problem.
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So admit your example is [...]
I do not. I stand by my post. I offered you additional examples because of the false assumptions you made based on my choice of example.
By "copy most file types" do you mean move files from an iPhone to a computer?
Obviously.
I can do that quite easily all the time.
Bullshit. You can easily move some file types easily, but not all. Try to copy a spreadsheet from a computer to your phone and from your phone to a computer. With any other phone, it's no different than copying a file to and from a flash drive. Only Apple makes you do different things for different types of files, if its even possible to copy them to your ph
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t. I offered you additional examples because of the false assumptions you made based on my choice of example.
So instead of posting your examples, you are quibbling as to whether you posted what you posted. Your first example is based on a new iPhone in 2007. That was 17 years ago. The PS3 was also new 17 years ago. I can assure you that both the PS5 and the iPhone have advanced in 17 years.
With any other phone, it's no different than copying a file to and from a flash drive.
So your actually complaint is an iPhone does not have a micro card slot. You are aware many Androids do not have a card slot either. For example, Samsung removed the SD card from Series S21 going forward. [samsung.com] The S series is Samsung
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You are right about people wanting something that works. I would just caution everone that wanting a reliable phone that gets along with their computers and other Apple devices is not an indicator of incompetence as some in here might claim.
What an odd statement. An iPhone is worthless to me, and quite a few other professions, precisely because it doesn't get along well with computers.
Well okay - it is worthless to you, so we need to stop making and using them.
Fascinating! My iPhone connects to all my other Apple devices, I can work on the iPhone and iPad, making a seamless instrument. Mac, iPhone and iPad., and it functions as another device. It integrates seamlessly with my Jeep infotainment system - it is an extension of my Macs, and extension of my iPad.
So homie I take it you have intense and extended use of your Mac Products and you know just how terrible the almost unuseable iph
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Calm down there, sparky. It's just a phone. You might want to talk to someone about why my simple criticism upsets you so much.
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Calm down there, sparky. It's just a phone. You might want to talk to someone about why my simple criticism upsets you so much.
Oh homie. Criticism is one thing. Bold face bullshit another. At best, you are like a person who is all spun up about 1999 Linux, and thinks it is still like it was then, First you claim my statement is odd - ie a lie, then pop in your own bullshit about the phones not playing well with other computers, and is useless to professionals - sorry, I'll respond, and if you don't like it, well whatchya gonna do? Drop to AC?
Then after I and others point out your bullshit, you try to high road us?
I use all m
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Everything I wrote was 100% true. Not just in the past, but now as well.
FACT: Moving files between an iPhone and a computer is needlessly difficult, unlike every other modern phone. That makes it useless for many professionals, myself included.
FACT: My life would be more difficult if I had to use an iPhone.
FACT: Many people with iPhones would be better off with something else, but unfortunately don't know any better.
That's reality.
Cry harder, snowflake. Then seek professional help. You very obvio
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Cry harder, snowflake. Then seek professional help. You very obviously need it.
Your ad ad hominem attack undermines your claims.
Re:Ignorance (Score:4, Funny)
Yep.
As soon as someone starts talking about Apple devices being status symbols, I know that I can safely stop reading.
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Yep.
As soon as someone starts talking about Apple devices being status symbols, I know that I can safely stop reading.
That's because it really isn't.
Doesn't stop the fanboys from pretending it is.
It's like pretending owning a Toyota Camry is an accomplishment.
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That's what I wanted for my parents, but unfortunately all of the gestures on iPhones are confusing and often inadvertently triggered. They need permanent on-screen buttons for navigation. All the contextual things that only appear in certain conditions and options that slide out and that type of navigation confuses them.
It would be great if there was a phone with only 4 apps: Email, SMS Messaging, Web Browser, Camera/Gallery, and 4 physical buttons for accessing each of them /switching between them.
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In my experience, MOST Apple users don't care about tech, they just want a status accessory.
And that is your experience. In my experience, the iPhone people I know don't care about status especially the ones that are not teenagers. They want a phone that works for them. Some of them started using iPhones as their first smart phone and they don't want to learn a new system. Yes Android has more options and most apps have both Android and iPhone versions, but they do not want to switch.
It's my experience as well. Apple = fashion accessory for the non technical.
That will be true for most others who have a life outside of slashdot. People buy Apple because they are or were popular. It's not really the case any more, at least in most places in the world as it's become too passe, the only people in the UK who care if you've got an Android or Apple phone are either hopeless frothing Apple fanboys or equally hopeless fashion victims.
The reality is most people can use either phone, so the
Re:Ignorance (Score:5, Informative)
In Canada for example, I would say iPhone represent about 10-15% of active devices.
Based on what data?
Nothing online comes even close to showing the number you're suggesting. The reality is more like ~60% of mobile phones in canada are iPhones. (and to answer your original question ~50% of UK users). Curious to see your data that counter these.
https://mobilesyrup.com/2024/1... [mobilesyrup.com]
https://heytony.ca/usage-of-sm... [heytony.ca]
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-... [statcounter.com]
https://gs.statcounter.com/ven... [statcounter.com]
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I would say iPhone represent about 10-15% of active devices
That also brings up probably the biggest point of the lack of end to end encryption. It's not a closed ecosystem. It doesn't matter when they don't interoperate, because you are going to be limited regardless.
Though in the UK it seems that Apple's share is much larger - a little under half.
Re:Ignorance (Score:4, Insightful)
In my experience most iPhone users are older people. The younger ones want a cool phone, not a middle age jeans-and-shirt phone.
As for the lack of outcry, I guess if you want security then you probably didn't buy an Apple device in the first place. As for privacy, we are still stuck with the culture of assuming that the police and security services are at least somewhat trustworthy.
Anyone who cares wouldn't be using an iPhone or iCloud, and everyone else probably doesn't even understand what is happening.
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Older people are still trying to use flip phones. You might be an idiot.
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In my experience most iPhone users are older people. The younger ones want a cool phone, not a middle age jeans-and-shirt phone.
Android phones are cool?
As for the lack of outcry, I guess if you want security then you probably didn't buy an Apple device in the first place. As for privacy, we are still stuck with the culture of assuming that the police and security services are at least somewhat trustworthy.
Anyone who cares wouldn't be using an iPhone or iCloud, and everyone else probably doesn't even understand what is happening.
Are you actually Amimojo? Thinking that Android phones are secure is about the worst mistake that a person could make. I've said it before, if a person uses a smartphone to commit crimes, thinking that the onl;y way to get caught is using an Apple device, they have a name for them - convicts. Seems like you should be smarter than that.
Re:Ignorance (Score:5, Interesting)
I think you have to remember that the US is unusual when it comes to the iPhone's dominance. It's very different in Europe where we have a much wider selection of phones and Android is the most popular. Google, Nokia, Huawei, Oppo, Nothing, OnePlus, Alcatel, Samsung, LG, Honor, Motorola, Doro, HMD, Sony, Xiaomi, and more.
Apple devices are the target of many Israeli (in)security firms who specialize in unlocking them, and they seem to get most of them open eventually. iCloud's (in)security has resulted in some high profile hacks as well. Meanwhile Google accounts are pretty robust, even for fairly clueless users, even if some of the phones aren't. The variety of Android devices works in your favour too, as it means less chance of your particular one being the target of some Israeli company.
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Us has the same selection, but not so big on the chinese govt phones.
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And maybe those Chinese android devices with the pre-installed monitoring spyware - maybe that was fake news. I bought a couple to test, and if a person believes they are secure - well, p
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I just assume any mobile phone that comes pre-loaded with an OS is fundamentally not secure from world governments. If I was going to do something illegal, I would never use my phone to assist. I don't even like to talk about grey area topics in text messaging and have told people we can have this conversation later, face to face. Who knows, phone is probably spying on all our conversations anyway.
None of these corporations care about their users beyond what money they can extract from you.
So use whatever p
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I just assume any mobile phone that comes pre-loaded with an OS is fundamentally not secure from world governments. If I was going to do something illegal, I would never use my phone to assist.
Very smart person. In my previous career, there were places where phones were not allowed at all. You put them in a metal box to shield them, and left them there until done. And don't forget to turn the thing off, because little ET likes to phone home when it gets lonely, and inside a Farady gage, it cranks it's power to max to try to connect, and drains the batteries by the time you retrieve it.
I don't even like to talk about grey area topics in text messaging and have told people we can have this conversation later, face to face.
Oh hell yeah - definitely text is a memorialization of the discussions. Talking around a subject is always a bad
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I think you have to remember that the US is unusual when it comes to the iPhone's dominance. It's very different in Europe where we have a much wider selection of phones and Android is the most popular. Google, Nokia, Huawei, Oppo, Nothing, OnePlus, Alcatel, Samsung, LG, Honor, Motorola, Doro, HMD, Sony, Xiaomi, and more.
Apple devices are the target of many Israeli (in)security firms who specialize in unlocking them, and they seem to get most of them open eventually. iCloud's (in)security has resulted in some high profile hacks as well. Meanwhile Google accounts are pretty robust, even for fairly clueless users, even if some of the phones aren't. The variety of Android devices works in your favour too, as it means less chance of your particular one being the target of some Israeli company.
Good to hear that Android devices are inherently secure. So if they are so secure, why doesn't the UK demand they have backdoors - seems like with criminals knowing how secure they are it is a vector for the bad guys to do as they wish, and their data is safe beyond the law. Who knew?
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They will probably be coming for Google next. Android backups have been E2E encrypted since Android 9, released in 2018.
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They will probably be coming for Google next. Android backups have been E2E encrypted since Android 9, released in 2018.
So with only a teeny tiny and probably insignificant number of Apples. it is critical that you go after them instead of the overwhelming majority of Android phones. Sounds legit.
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Not really 'incorrect' as they used the clause 'in my experience'.
We do not know their experience, though we can make assumptions about their observations.
I could say, "In my experience, crack cocaine is awesome!"
That wouldn't really be incorrect, as it's just what I've experienced.
(Don't do crack. Well, don't do too much crack.)
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All the old people I know use iphones. A lot of young people do as well. I don't know any technically inclined folks that personally use iphones but clearly plenty of people on this site do use iphones and presumably are technically inclined.
Turns out when half the country uses iphones, it includes pretty much every demographic.
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What percentage of mobile users in the UK use an iPhone? In my experience, MOST Apple users don't care about tech, they just want a status accessory.
In my experience, most Apple users don't care about tech, they just want a phone that just works and you don't have to mess with to get it to do what they want.
Androids are getting there now, but iPhones are still a bit better with the "turn it on, press the buttons and it does stuff" simplicity.
(and there's no particular status in having an iPhone anymore. Maybe five years ago, but now nobody says "ooh! an iPhone! He must be cool!")
So if that is the case in the UK as well, perhaps users just don't understand what is occurring living the "ignorance is bliss" model.
Exactly. And the price they pay for "ignorance is bliss" operation
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Plus if you complain about it, you probably get put in jail for hate speech.
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Oh believe me theres a lot of subservient cretins in britain.
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These days Apple maintains lock-in using iMessage. I know my kid basically uses it like a mini social network among their friends. It has a lot of features that I wouldn't personally use cuz I'm an old fa
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There's less momentum there than you'd think. BBM was the iMessage of its day, but it collapsed seemingly overnight. The same is true for countless other messaging platforms.
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Part of the ignorance is not even knowing that ADP was a thing. Apple didn't publicise it, it isn't set on by default and not one person I know with an iPhone had heard of it until the news broke that in the UK it isn't available any more.
If you don't know about something your phone isn't doing you're not going to kick up much fuss when it can no longer do that thing. The most you'll get is "oh, what's that? I might have wanted to use that. Oh well, never mind."
I love how... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: I love how... (Score:2)
Not one commenter here is even remotely concerned about the UK gov wanting a "Backdoor" to read private communications.
Probably because the story is actually about them wanting the ability to access encrypted backups stored in iCloud.
Sigh.... (Score:3)
Apple haven't removed "iCloud encryption", data is still encrypted both on route and in-situ. They have only removed "end to end" encryption, which prevents anyone (including Apple and authorities) other than the user from decrypting the data.
The vast majority of users haven't even heard of "iCloud Advanced Data Protection" (which enables e2e encryption), let alone enabled it (it is off by default).
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Most definitely if you are concerned about a real risk of your data/identify being stolen vs a hypothetical risk of some government caring enough about you to steal your data.
If a person is truly concerned about the privacy of their data, they won't be storing it on a computer. We have these discussions with people complaing that iPhones and Apple products are not secure.
It's like trying to decide which size screen doors to put on a submarine.
UK has become an island of Sheep (Score:2, Informative)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... [dailymail.co.uk]
Next they are coming for ewe.
Re:UK has become an island of Sheep (Score:5, Insightful)
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Ad hominems aren't credible either. We don't have any credible corporate news sources so it's necessary to state specific objections to any "report".
It's a total waste of time and the incentives are perverse.
Maybe technology can assist but deep moral rot is core and difficult (so most people take a pass).
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Ad hominems aren't credible either. We don't have any credible corporate news sources so it's necessary to state specific objections to any "report".
It's a total waste of time and the incentives are perverse.
Maybe technology can assist but deep moral rot is core and difficult (so most people take a pass).
No, he's quite right about the Daily Mail.
They're a known source of misinformation and constantly in trouble for deformation.
It's not an ad hom if it's correct.
I get what you mean by "no credible news sources" in the way of "you cant believe everything you read", which is healthy scepticism but there are definitely non-credible sources that are deliberately void of fact or even reasonable conjecture... and the Daily Mail is one such source.
If the daily mail were under the same impartiality rules
Obviously (Score:2)
I guess 99% of people have no idea what encryption really is and what is that they've lost.
They will become concerned once their government and authorities will start start to learn things about them that they never intended to share with anyone but we are talking about individuals. The rest will realize the importance of this only after some major scandals and news stories.
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I guess 99% of people have no idea what encryption really is and what is that they've lost.
>99% of people haven't turned on the level of E2E encryption that Apple no longer allows in the UK, and so have lost nothing.
Almost no one was using it (Score:2)
Seriously, you have to manually take a step to enable E2E on iCloud and apple gives you very scary (and very real warnings) about data loss if you lose your keys. Most people are not using it.
What do you expect? (Score:2)
The average person understands nothing. How would they understand what this means?
I think we are worried about it, but (Score:1)
Re: The english are toddlers (Score:2)
ROFLOL - going to age like Brexit (Score:1)
"Privacy Paradox" (Score:2)
"So you SAY they care about privacy, yet you don't change your lifestyle or complain enough when we take it from you. Curious!"
And how are they even measuring complaints?
people using this stuff (Score:1)
probably keep it quiet and don't say a thing... also, are able to use something else in case this sort of thing happens; and were probably already doing so
boilng frog (Score:2)
the uk has been simmering for decades, now we're boiling we havent even noticed
Bloomberg OpEd? Yeah. No thanks... (Score:3, Interesting)
At no point should anyone, anywhere, trust what major news organizations in the USA publish. They're all owned by Republicans, and they all push their agenda in subtle, and not-so-subtle, ways.
Not very surprising (Score:3)
People just don't care about security. Sure we are a small subgroup of society do care, but in general they do not.
Look at these examples:
Credit cards, why are there still just numbers that enter on a random web site on them, why are they not challenge response? Its old technology but because its slightly more expensive, and slightly more inconvenient it hasn't been implemented.
Paywave, why doesn't it force you to have a pin, under 2FA which all the institutions say is SO important, it should be at least 2 things, something you have, something you know, or something you are. They removed a factor, sure magnetic strips sucked but chip and pin are way more secure, yet people don't care, all most people care about is the saved a few seconds entering their pin. For access to my money its Ok, but god forbid someone could login to steam an play one of my games. (2FA on steam should only be for payments and even then I don't store my payment details on steam)
2FA. The only reason 2FA is even a thing is because almost everybody now has a phone. It has been around for at least 30 years. And they made halfhearted attempt at it where its an app on your phone instead of a separate, non internet connected device. Sure you have those but most sites don't even support them.
All of these are major security issues that can quite easily and directly cost people a lot of money, they are not addressed, why? Because the vast majority of the population don't understand, and don't care until they are scammed. Relatively speaking my discussion about why my daughter needs another leash to add to 12 leashes for her 1 dog doesn't even register on my level of concern about privacy.
American, class action sledgehammer (Score:2)
With great power to encrypt... (Score:2)
comes great responsibility to remember your passwords.
Apple does not do end-to-end encryption by default, because for every person whose data was protected from bad actors, there are probably thousands who have forgotten or misplaced their Apple ID passwords.
If end-to-end encryption is on, those people are screwed, and will be pissed at Apple for "losing their data".
If you understand the trade-off and take the responsibility to remember your passwords, you can enable end-to-end encryption.
Except in the UK,
Same issue as always (Score:2)
In the 90â(TM)s, we developed Windows software that encrypted and signed email, offered secure file transfer, secure FAX, and secure chat. It was simple to use and incorporated the latest RSA libraries (before the scandal). It blocked email that failed dkim. We had law firms expressing interest.
We were going to charge $99. And, we even ported it Mac so it was cross platform.
Then, Microsoft and Netscape offered encrypted email for free just as we were to about accept VC. And WinSCP allowed secure fi
Re: Same issue as always (Score:2)
Just an opinion but (Score:2)
UK users probably assumed their government was already listening in on everything anyway. The weren't even aware that phones were probably the one place where they weren't. Having Apple turn it off won't make any difference to them. Criminals will always find other ways to hide their communications.
And this is a surprise? (Score:2)
Over here iPhones are mostly bought as a bling item to show off you have an iPhone.
That and to use Facetime and iMessage with all the other iPhone forever-fans you have grown up with since school.
Nobody on the street has any care or knowledge about anything being discussed here. None. They wouldnt even know it happened.
Thus no so called "public" outcry.
"everyday" people want features, easy to use features that make them look "up to date" and fashionable. They want to be part of the new trends and thats it