US Will Be 'Central' To Climate Fight, Says Cop30 President (theguardian.com) 57
The US will be "central" to solving the climate crisis despite Donald Trump's withdrawal of government support and cash, the president of the next UN climate summit has said. From a report: Andre Correa do Lago, president-designate of the Cop30 summit for the host country, Brazil, hinted that businesses and other organisations in the US could play a constructive role without the White House. "We have no idea of ignoring the US," he told journalists on a call on Friday. "The US is a key country in this exercise. There is the US government, which will limit its participation [but] the US is a country with such amazing technology, amazing innovation -- this is the US that can contribute. The US is a central country for these discussions and solutions."
Brazil has also vowed to hold an "ethical stocktake" aimed at examining climate justice issues, for poor and vulnerable people, and to give Indigenous people a key role at the talks. Correa do Lago wrote to all UN countries on Monday, setting out Brazil's expectations that all governments will draw up national plans for steep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions before the conference starts in Belem, a rainforest city at the mouth of the Amazon, in November.
Brazil has also vowed to hold an "ethical stocktake" aimed at examining climate justice issues, for poor and vulnerable people, and to give Indigenous people a key role at the talks. Correa do Lago wrote to all UN countries on Monday, setting out Brazil's expectations that all governments will draw up national plans for steep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions before the conference starts in Belem, a rainforest city at the mouth of the Amazon, in November.
Really? (Score:1, Insightful)
Have they never seen the graphs from China?
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They aren't able to fill their pockets with graft from this scam in China.
Reading the article (Score:2)
Reading the news article...
Executive summary: A group of politicians, diplomat class, and non profit talkers get together to talk. Yet, they never ever commit to spending their own money to build a wind,solar or other green energy producing plant.
https://www.theguardian.com/en... [theguardian.com]
US will be ‘central’ to climate fight even without Trump, says Cop30 president
by Fiona Harvey Environment editor - Mon 10 Mar 2025 12.11 EDT - The Guardian Newspaper
André Corrêa do Lago suggests US organisatio
Funding the diplomatic class via Climate Change (Score:2)
Cop30 is about the keeping diplomatic class employed and not about climate change or pollution.
The Cop30 needs to lead by example and not disregard pollution, rainforest destruction and ecological impact of their own meeting.
- Disregard for preserving a protected rainforest where "tens of thousands of acres" of trees are being cut down and the ground paved over
- Disregard for the poorest people living the rainforest
- The government infrastructure secretary is OK with destroying the rainforest to help "prepa
367,000 attendees in 30 years (Score:2)
The CSV list of UN Cop climate conference attendees (roster list) for the last 30 years lists 367,000 people attending.
Add in the reporters, individual citizens and others, and the attendance may be well over 500,000 people.
Instead of spending billions (?) on building facilities for, traveling to, and attending these climate conferences to TALK. what amount of solar panel farms could be built with the same money?
https://github.com/bagozzib/UN... [github.com]
Spend the money directly on building green energy projects inst
Re:China blame (Score:3, Informative)
China's per-capita pollution level is below that of the USA. Further, since we consume their factory goods, we perhaps should be demerited for that also. We NIMBY'd that one under a different carpet.
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This isn't an economic comparison. Per capita is irrelevant here, only absolute numbers. Your argument is literally "it's okay that china out-pollutes literally everyone else by a huge margin because they're keeping most of their population in abject poverty, everyone in western countries should get the standard of living of a chinese slave to make up for that."
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You could disappear the entire North American continent and global warming is still going to happen. As the next comment points out, the Earth doesn't care who's producing the pollution.
I agree though, let's stop buying from China and insist we only buy stuff built or made in North America. It would result in less transportation pollution and due to higher environmental standards, would also lead to less production pollution as well. Yes, stuff would cost more. That difference in cost is the the env
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You could disappear the entire North American continent and global warming is still going to happen.
Not necessarily, that depends on the method and what you mean by "disappearing". Hell, you could keep some/most of the continent intact if there is a massive eruption from Yellowstone and lower temperatures by 3–5C for maybe a decade??? Now how one goes about that or waits until nature causes it....
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I'm not deny Americans are, per capita, the worst contributors. I'm simple pointing out if you could eliminate all pollution Americans create, it still won't be enough if you can't also get the other major players to also take it seriously.
It's a hard issue. We are making progress in USA but we've still a long ways to go. Individuals need to take responsibility for their footprint and make adjustments. Without government mandates, you won't get most people to do it. I say, don't worry about what other peopl
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Gaia doesn't care about the arbitrary lines humans have drawn on their maps.
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There should be an allowance for the size of a country, but not the population. It should be by area (land and sea claimed by the country.)
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Actually, it seems to be okay to sue the creators of things. For example, people are attempting to blame big oil for climate change, and not big consumer for continuing to buy the product. Given that, we can just blame China for climate change because they are the ones making all this stuff in their polluting factories.
I think it's still on the consumer and also the voter. By allowing entities to sell things that harm the environment, we are being complacent to the damage being done. That means we're just a
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China is actually doing a pretty good job lowering their CO2 output, but mostly because they can make solar power for dirty cheap, but yes, the US pollution is quite small if compared to it.
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Totals are what cause the global warming, wanting to do "per capita" calculation is just a dumb blame game.
And it is "quite small" on the global scheme of things, with it being only 12% of the total emissions.
If the US alone stopped polluting, it would make no difference whatsoever.
The real solution lies in making everyone pollute less, with technology, instead of retarded country wars and screaming and stupid politics.
Shuji Nakamura did more to help solve this problem than a million of Gretas combined.
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The kind of policies and approaches you create with this mindset will solve nothing and we will burn to the ground.
"No, it is the US fault! they're the 2nd worst country so THEY should solve it first!"
We're in a situation where everyone need to do cut. Even if china, the first place in pollution did somehow cut their emissions to 0% overnight, we would still have the issue. it's a pretty well spread issue by the 20 most polluting countries or something.
Also if you go by countries, you do need to take accoun
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Long-term I agree, China is going to lead most world affairs.
delusional (Score:2)
De Lusion Al.
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De Lusion Al.
If I had mod points today I'd be modding this up rather than commenting. The guy's delusional if he actually thinks those things, especially given the current administration.
Cop30 summit (Score:1, Insightful)
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I agree they should have had a tele-meeting to promote reducing business travel. It makes them look like hypocrites.
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I agree they should have had a tele-meeting to promote reducing business travel. It makes them look like hypocrites.
Alt-take: It's a public display of the fact they are hypocrites, rather than making them look like hypocrites.
Re:Cop30 summit (Score:5, Informative)
I agree they should have had a tele-meeting to promote reducing business travel. It makes them look like hypocrites.
Exactly. Everyone is trying to point out how remote work is effective and good for the planet and these dumb fucks are effectively loudly saying no, it isn't. We need to fly! Every year! And not just scientists but thousands of other various hangers on that they don't seem to discourage. If they really wonder why so many people don't care that just shows they are not very bright.
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I agree they should have had a tele-meeting to promote reducing business travel. It makes them look like hypocrites.
Exactly. Everyone is trying to point out how remote work is effective and good for the planet and these dumb fucks are effectively loudly saying no, it isn't. We need to fly! Every year! And not just scientists but thousands of other various hangers on that they don't seem to discourage. If they really wonder why so many people don't care that just shows they are not very bright.
I would submit that there's a pretty big difference between flying for work and flyung for fun.
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Cop30 (Score:1)
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Don waffled on that also, once claiming "if it is warming, we can't say it's caused by people" (paraphrased)
He talks out of 8 sides of his mouth. Conservative denial generally follows:
1. Global warming is a hoax.
2. It's warming, but not caused by humans.
3. Might be caused by humans, but prevention hurts economy too much.
4. It's too late to prevent it, lefties didn't warn us early enough.
5. Look, I evolved gills!
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Koch would be more than happy to publish such.
which side? (Score:3, Funny)
Nowadays USA is very central alright, it is central in many fights, unfortunately it is fighting on the wrong side of things.
do what you can personally (Score:5, Interesting)
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What lattitude? In central/north europe solar does jack shit [November-February].
I made 40kWh today.
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This story isn't about what you can do, it's about what your country can bring to the world. Your example is a good one because it objectively shows USA's failure. If you install your own solar system right now there's a very good chance you're getting the latest and greatest from ... China, because the west is dropping the ball on developing alternate technologies.
It was an industry we ignored allowing other countries to dominate. Green energy should be the something that the west is best placed to both do
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Why would we do that when half the country votes to remain a service economy every few years? Service economies don't produce, they consume what others produce. You want better engineering? Vote for manufacturing here and we can solve China's and the United States pollution problems. Otherwise, why learn engineering when the jobs are overseas? It's like telling everyone "learn to code" knowing full well you intend to eliminate a lot of their jobs with AI and outsource the rest before they even get out of co
In Other Words (Score:4, Informative)
The world is screwed.
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Central, yup (Score:2)
We'll be central all right, but as an impediment not an asset. The US has abrogated all it's responsibility to even attempt to maintain a habitable global climate. Let the history books show that the US could have done something, and didn't.
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Personally I am getting nauseous from all the whiplash.
I'm getting nauseous from all the stupid raining down on us, for quite some time now but in torrents for the last 50 days
US will be central to fighting climate change (Score:2)
In this case technically correct is not the best kind of correct.
riiiight yes save us murka (Score:1)
guess you missed that memo amid all the plane crashes and starship explosions, but in killing the country, they killed all that too
between that and the forty years of defunding and refucking the education system and now the gutted government... yeah, good luck lol
Translation (Score:2)
No-one wanted to fight the US-led sabotage but now the USA is turning everything into a pissing-contest, doing nothing is really dangerous.