US Will Be 'Central' To Climate Fight, Says Cop30 President (theguardian.com) 27
The US will be "central" to solving the climate crisis despite Donald Trump's withdrawal of government support and cash, the president of the next UN climate summit has said. From a report: Andre Correa do Lago, president-designate of the Cop30 summit for the host country, Brazil, hinted that businesses and other organisations in the US could play a constructive role without the White House. "We have no idea of ignoring the US," he told journalists on a call on Friday. "The US is a key country in this exercise. There is the US government, which will limit its participation [but] the US is a country with such amazing technology, amazing innovation -- this is the US that can contribute. The US is a central country for these discussions and solutions."
Brazil has also vowed to hold an "ethical stocktake" aimed at examining climate justice issues, for poor and vulnerable people, and to give Indigenous people a key role at the talks. Correa do Lago wrote to all UN countries on Monday, setting out Brazil's expectations that all governments will draw up national plans for steep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions before the conference starts in Belem, a rainforest city at the mouth of the Amazon, in November.
Brazil has also vowed to hold an "ethical stocktake" aimed at examining climate justice issues, for poor and vulnerable people, and to give Indigenous people a key role at the talks. Correa do Lago wrote to all UN countries on Monday, setting out Brazil's expectations that all governments will draw up national plans for steep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions before the conference starts in Belem, a rainforest city at the mouth of the Amazon, in November.
Really? (Score:2, Insightful)
Have they never seen the graphs from China?
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They aren't able to fill their pockets with graft from this scam in China.
Re:China blame (Score:1, Flamebait)
China's per-capita pollution level is below that of the USA. Further, since we consume their factory goods, we perhaps should be demerited for that also. We NIMBY'd that one under a different carpet.
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This isn't an economic comparison. Per capita is irrelevant here, only absolute numbers. Your argument is literally "it's okay that china out-pollutes literally everyone else by a huge margin because they're keeping most of their population in abject poverty, everyone in western countries should get the standard of living of a chinese slave to make up for that."
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You could disappear the entire North American continent and global warming is still going to happen. As the next comment points out, the Earth doesn't care who's producing the pollution.
I agree though, let's stop buying from China and insist we only buy stuff built or made in North America. It would result in less transportation pollution and due to higher environmental standards, would also lead to less production pollution as well. Yes, stuff would cost more. That difference in cost is the the env
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You could disappear the entire North American continent and global warming is still going to happen.
Not necessarily, that depends on the method and what you mean by "disappearing". Hell, you could keep some/most of the continent intact if there is a massive eruption from Yellowstone and lower temperatures by 3–5C for maybe a decade??? Now how one goes about that or waits until nature causes it....
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Gaia doesn't care about the arbitrary lines humans have drawn on their maps.
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Actually, it seems to be okay to sue the creators of things. For example, people are attempting to blame big oil for climate change, and not big consumer for continuing to buy the product. Given that, we can just blame China for climate change because they are the ones making all this stuff in their polluting factories.
I think it's still on the consumer and also the voter. By allowing entities to sell things that harm the environment, we are being complacent to the damage being done. That means we're just a
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China is actually doing a pretty good job lowering their CO2 output, but mostly because they can make solar power for dirty cheap, but yes, the US pollution is quite small if compared to it.
delusional (Score:2)
De Lusion Al.
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De Lusion Al.
If I had mod points today I'd be modding this up rather than commenting. The guy's delusional if he actually thinks those things, especially given the current administration.
Cop30 summit (Score:3)
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I agree they should have had a tele-meeting to promote reducing business travel. It makes them look like hypocrites.
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I agree they should have had a tele-meeting to promote reducing business travel. It makes them look like hypocrites.
Alt-take: It's a public display of the fact they are hypocrites, rather than making them look like hypocrites.
Re:Cop30 summit (Score:5, Informative)
I agree they should have had a tele-meeting to promote reducing business travel. It makes them look like hypocrites.
Exactly. Everyone is trying to point out how remote work is effective and good for the planet and these dumb fucks are effectively loudly saying no, it isn't. We need to fly! Every year! And not just scientists but thousands of other various hangers on that they don't seem to discourage. If they really wonder why so many people don't care that just shows they are not very bright.
Cop30 (Score:1)
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Don waffled on that also, once claiming "if it is warming, we can't say it's caused by people" (paraphrased)
He talks out of 8 sides of his mouth. Conservative denial generally follows:
1. Global warming is a hoax.
2. It's warming, but not caused by humans.
3. Might be caused by humans, but prevention hurts economy too much.
4. It's too late to prevent it, lefties didn't warn us early enough.
5. Look, I evolved gills!
which side? (Score:2)
Nowadays USA is very central alright, it is central in many fights, unfortunately it is fighting on the wrong side of things.
do what you can personally (Score:5, Interesting)
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What lattitude? In central/north europe solar does jack shit [November-February].
I made 40kWh today.
In Other Words (Score:2)
The world is screwed.
Central, yup (Score:2)
We'll be central all right, but as an impediment not an asset. The US has abrogated all it's responsibility to even attempt to maintain a habitable global climate. Let the history books show that the US could have done something, and didn't.