Beijing's 'Made in China' Plan Is Narrowing Tech Gap, Study Finds 76
An industrial plan China rolled out a decade ago that was criticized by the U.S. as protectionist has been highly successful in narrowing China's technological gap with the West, a new study finds. From a report: The study, commissioned by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, is set to intensify the debate in Washington and elsewhere over how to counter China's use of state subsidies and other strategies to bolster its competitiveness. To placate President Trump during his first-term trade war with China, Beijing dropped mentions of the "Made in China 2025" plan, leader Xi Jinping's signature industrial strategy, from public discourse. But the policy stayed in place.
The study, released Monday, shows that enormous state support unleashed under the strategy has enabled China to eliminate or reduce its dependence on imports such as rail and power equipment, medical devices and renewable-energy products. In addition, Chinese companies have become more competitive globally, gaining market share from foreign companies in sectors including shipbuilding and robotics. The findings in the study, conducted by economic consulting firm Rhodium Group, highlight the stakes for the U.S. and other advanced economies as Beijing continues to advance Xi's blueprint to make China a leader in high-tech industries.
The study, released Monday, shows that enormous state support unleashed under the strategy has enabled China to eliminate or reduce its dependence on imports such as rail and power equipment, medical devices and renewable-energy products. In addition, Chinese companies have become more competitive globally, gaining market share from foreign companies in sectors including shipbuilding and robotics. The findings in the study, conducted by economic consulting firm Rhodium Group, highlight the stakes for the U.S. and other advanced economies as Beijing continues to advance Xi's blueprint to make China a leader in high-tech industries.
Made in China 2025 trumps Project 2025 (Score:5, Funny)
Pun intended.
Re: Made in China 2025 trumps Project 2025 (Score:5, Funny)
Seems like both projects have the same goal: to remove the USA from all aspects of global leadership and allow China to become the dominant superpower in its place. Perhaps the latter plan is just one part of the former?
Re: Made in China 2025 trumps Project 2025 (Score:4, Interesting)
us demise is of its own making. it's no wonder when a country is swamped with corporate greed, drowned in debt and political corruption, controlled by an unchecked and ruthless elite that has been growing inequality for decades, and tries to offset all that by bullying other countries and igniting wars all over the planet. nobody trusts the us anymore.
china is just doing its thing, and it's mostly the right thing: thinking strategically, working hard, being diplomatic and expanding friendly relations, thus prospering and helping others to prosper. china is bound not only to be the next superpower but actually respected as a world leader.
us demise is no plan and nobody's goal, it's simply the result of mismanagent and lack of long term strategy, and nobody would give a shit if it wasn't indeed a superpower with the biggest military the world has seen and about 750 military bases around the world. these are indeed dangerous times. if anything, i count on china being clearheaded enough to handle this transition gracefully.
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US demise is Putin's long wrought plan, and the doofus in the POTUS right now is a useful idiot
You can see Putin's fingerprints all over the nationalistic movements across Europe, and it all designed to fragment the West and allow Russia to reclaim territory
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US demise is Putin's long wrought plan, and the doofus in the POTUS right now is a useful idiot
is that so?
You can see Putin's fingerprints all over the nationalistic movements across Europe, and it all designed to fragment the West and allow Russia to reclaim territory
the rise of nationalisms in europe has been growing for decades and is basically disenfranchisement from the eu which has finally managed to disappoint most of the populations. on top of that it is surging lately (and i expect it to get much worse) as people slowly realize what a clusterfuck project ukraine really has been. ukraine has paid in blood, but germany, the workhorse of europe, has paid with economic disaster and the ripples are being felt throughout. this is only going to go downhill a
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russian propagandist is russian propagandist
Sorry if I ignore your bullshit
Here is some interesting reading for anybody not posting from st petersberg
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/a... [lawfaremedia.org]
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so no evidence beyond sporadic contacts between elected officials (which aren't only legitimate, but what expected officials are expected to do in any civilized system) and insinuations and could and could nots. and you talk about popaganda! dude, that site reeks hard ... :-)
hilarious that it hosts another article that in the effort of colorizing the supposed humanitarian catastrophe caused by usaid funds getting cut off ... actually reveals where much of that money went to:
Perhaps more importantly, the Ukrainian government has received more than $30 billion in direct budget support from USAID. As Ukraine’s economy shrank and budgets were redirected to the country’s defense, USAID essentially allowed the government to sustain its operations, helping pay state workers salaries and provide state services.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/a.. [lawfaremedia.org]
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btw, russia doesn't want more territory except the culturally russian territories in ukraine
Do you realize that what you are describing is the worst type of nationalism? "They speak the same language as us so we will invade their country and steal their land." That is what Hitler did, and you are supporting the same. The sad thing is you will pretend not to recognize it.
Btw, Ukraine + Europe is now outproducing Russia in war materials, and Russia has largely run out of soviet equipment. So by the end of the year, Ukraine will have won pushed Russia out, and Putler will have the unpleasant choice
Re: Made in China 2025 trumps Project 2025 (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you realize that what you are describing is the worst type of nationalism? "They speak the same language as us so we will invade their country and steal their land." That is what Hitler did, and you are supporting the same. The sad thing is you will pretend not to recognize it.
those territories broke away from ukraine before the invasion because of the russian culture/language/religion discrimination carried out by the ukranian government (both the puppet government and zelensky's cabinet, heavily driven by ukranian nationalists. this led to a civil war. you are confused about who the extremists are here.
Btw, Ukraine + Europe is now outproducing Russia in war materials,
in drones, yes.
and Russia has largely run out of soviet equipment.
russia vastly outproduces all nato AND the us in tanks. they're not even sending them to the front line. in manpower they have record conscripion (those are volunteers) and only a small part of the army is on the front, rotating about every 6 months. they have 600.000 troops in reserve. they don't have any hurry to seize territory, their primary goal is to destroy the ukrainian army with minimal losses. btw the ukranian army is helping by constantly conducting stunt operations for political reasons with no strategic value on the ground, like the incursions in kursk (which was a ukrainian bloodbath), belgorod and all around the eastern front, notably pokrovsk amd toretsk.
russia's military is huge and growing, and they are gaining experience. and they're not using most of it in ukraine. given late european war rhetorics they likely predict that other hotspots may break out soon (baltic states, baltic sea, artic) where it will be needed.
So by the end of the year, Ukraine will have won pushed Russia out,
this is delusional. 2 or even 1 year ago we might have argued, but this changed drastically a while ago (it started before, but kursk was sort of an inflection point), the ukrainians are being slowly crushed, if nothing changes they will eventually collapse. territorially they're losing ground at a steady pace, only 3 important strongholds are left. you have not been keeping up.
and Putler will have the unpleasant choice of whether to use a tactical nuke and lose, or lose without using a tactical nuke.
since this is an existential threat i don't rule out they would (more likely oreshniks without warhead which have similar destructive capability, are unavoidable as of today and are much less of a liability) IF they were in dire straits. but they aren't, and it doesn't appear they will be any time soon. your prediction doesn't seem serious to me.
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those territories broke away from ukraine before the invasion because of the russian culture/language/religion discrimination carried out by the ukranian government
They broke away at gunpoint from Strelkov, and you know it.
russia vastly outproduces all nato AND the us in tanks. they're not even sending them to the front line.
Well that's very generous of them to Ukraine to be keeping their tanks behind and sending their soldiers forward on motorcycles and scooters then.
Ukraine production has surpassed Russia's, not just in drones. Prepare for defeat, comrade.
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They broke away at gunpoint from Strelkov, and you know it.
the whole population? what a guy! how many guns did he have?
their soldiers forward on motorcycles and scooters then.
they're fast and can disperse quickly, in case drones rain from the sky.
Ukraine production has surpassed Russia's, not just in drones. Prepare for defeat, comrade.
i asume this adhominem (to a total stranger you know nothing about) is the end of your argument?
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the whole population? what a guy! how many guns did he have?
Oh, you don't know about Strelkov? You're more ignorant than I thought. (That's not ad hominem, it's abuse. But in this case, it's observation).
i asume this adhominem (to a total stranger you know nothing about)
Calling someone a comrade is not ad hominem. It's like calling them a friend, or a partner.
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Calling someone a comrade is not ad hominem. It's like calling them a friend, or a partner.
so you were implying i'm your partner or your friend? nice to hear.
have this in return, so you can keep up: https://deepstatemap.live/en [deepstatemap.live]
go mad with the date selector, and don't miss the "updates" button! have fun!
(before you start moaning about soviet propablablabla ... that's an ukranian source, endrosed by the afu)
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have this in return, so you can keep up: https://deepstatemap.live/en [deepstatemap.live] [deepstatemap.live]
I see target rich areas.
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I'm not your comrade, tovarishch! (apologies to South Park) [youtube.com]
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Sorry that is just completely unbelievable. Putin remembers what he thinks were the glory soviet days. He's said before he wants all of Ukraine. That is his goal. He might settle for areas he now occupies, but he wants it all.
Saying they he just wants what is really russian is very dangerous. This is the same sort of talk the trump engages in when he talks about wanting Canada for himself, because after all they a
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Sorry that is just completely unbelievable.
then wait and see. russia is one of the most resource rich countries on the planet, they don't need more territory. they aren't even aiming at the whole of ukraine, they learned in afghanistan what it means to occuppy a territory where you're not welcome, not to mention western ukraine where they visceraly hate their guts. it would be no end of trouble for nothing. and again, the european narrative of russian expansion into europe is just fearmongering, and of the most absurd sort. they would need several (
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brexit was linked to Russia too, the leaders of brexit spent lots of time on Rus
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Nationalism has always been there, it rose in the 1930s through lies and propaganda by frightening gullible people with bullshit and the same is happening now. And bullshit to your claim "is basically disenfranchisement from the eu which has finally managed to disappoint most of the populations", a proportion to any population will be disappointed with any governance and extremists like fascists are just louder than anyone else
boris johnson was the key figure in brexit and is a consumate russophobe (and was a key figure in biden's nato push overdrive in 2021, and in breaking the russia-ukraine deal that would have stopped the war in 2022, a month after the invasion). another one was nigel farage who has been targeted as a russophile, but there are actually no links or personal interests that i know of (please educate me if i'm wrong), it seemed all based on his critical views on nato expansion and relations with russia in general
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typo: s/agree/disagree/
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btw, sorry, wrong quote. it's late, i'm tired and i had a few beers. about nationalism in europe. i don't think there was a deliberate effort by russia to undermine europe (note "was", this might have changed now). there could have been alliances and relations, and even interests, but this is normal in democracy and in international politics. otoh there is lots of evidence of russia trying to appease the west (they even floated the idea of joining nato, twice) but they mostly hit stonewalls. and ofc russia
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both projects have the same goal: to remove the USA from all aspects of global leadership
Americans knowingly chose to remove themselves from all aspects of global leadership when they gave Trump his 2nd term. A nation like China isn't one to let an opportunity this big slip by.
Pot, kettle, grill, the usual (Score:5, Interesting)
An industrial plan China rolled out a decade ago that was criticized by the U.S. as protectionist
And moving production to a cheap labour country is not protectionism of corporate and personal profits (greed)?
Move the knowledge to manufacture to others and they will learn from it and use it. You know, like a man and teaching how to fish and the like. Don't expect him not to sell fish to others when possible.
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Autarky is not possible in the 21st century, at least not possible in a manner that would substantially reduce the standard of living for everyone in that country.
Re: Pot, kettle, grill, the usual (Score:1)
What can we learn from China's government's printing money to finance fiscal deficits (rather than become beholden to bond vigilantes)?
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It's not just that.
Its the US shouting "protectionism" while simultaneously restricting a lot of tech transfer to China in an effort to try and block their development.
If China cant rely on other countries for what they need, because the US forces restrictions on other countries trade with China (see the banning of an European countries chip UV manufacturing technology sale to China), then of course they are going to reduce their reliance in all areas on other countries.
Dt (Score:2, Insightful)
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Donald Trump has made me realize that China isn't the enemy.
There's not one enemy.
The Chinese government is still an enemy of human beings. They're just not the only such, and a lot of other governments including our own oligarchy (which it always has been and still is) are also the same thing.
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Until our leaders can figure out how to go without things made in China, it would seem they actually help us out quite a lot.
The People of China are just people. They are willing to work and produce goods that other people want to buy. This helps us out because trade helps us out. What their government does with tax revenues created by this economic activity is another issue, just as what our government does with ours is.
Re: Dt (Score:1)
Are you aware that not even China's official budget can hide a near-trillion dollar deficit (note: local spending is left out), and they don't sell bonds?
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We can make whatever we want without China. We simply lack the will to do so because se crave cHeAp!!! Always must be cheap! Strategic security, economic well being, benefiting all be dammed! Cheap first! Want factory workers to be paid a fair non sweatshop wage? Be prepared to pay more.
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I can't reply to the other parts of your screed because I don't know but "... You can't make oil because you don't have the right kind of dead dinosaurs."
What the fuck are you talking about?
The US produces more crude that any other country, ever: Crude oil production in the United States, including condensate, averaged 12.9 million barrels per day (b/d) in 2023, breaking the previous U.S. and global record of 12.3 million b/d, set in 2019.
Further, the US is at the top of the list for recoverable reserves a
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No you can't make whatever you want. You can't make aluminum or steel because your electricity is too expensive. You can't make oil because you don't have the right kind of dead dinosaurs. You can't make water because it all flows from Canada. Nor can you make anything that competes on price to China because an American worker requires 20 times the pay to make the same thing. Furthermore, Americans don't want to have a life screwing tiny screws into iPhones hour after hour. Especially not for what a Chinese worker makes.
Further more... There is already a large number of jobs in the US that are low skill, low paying and labour intensive... Americans don't want to do them.
Billy-Joe Redneck isn't mowing lawns, he isn't working at an abattoir, he doesn't wash cars... These are all jobs being done in the US, just not by Americans.
Billy-Joe sits on his arse in a trailer park blaming immigrants for taking the jobs he won't do for the money he won't accept... whilst voting for the people who are going to take away his welfar
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an American worker requires 20 times the pay to make the same thing
And yet, the American worker is not living 20 times as large as anywhere else... so why are American workers so fucking expensive? Because rent/mortgage, utilities, and food require that much money just to stay alive. The worker is NOT benefiting at all.
What an odd situation.
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Even China is moving away from a manufacturing economy. They're investing and building infrastructure in Africa. https://www.reuters.com/world/... [reuters.com]
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trump might indeed make matters worse or, better said, accelerate them, but he's not the problem. he's a symptom. he came to power because a whole lot of americans are angry. explain that anger and you'll find that enemy you're looking for.
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I think American's are deeply indoctrinated with the idea of American exceptionalism. So when others catch up or surpass America, it must be because everyone else is cheating or whatever. MAGA really taps into that, but it is not just MAGA. Can you imagine any US president being elected asking the people to accept that the American century is over?
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China is still *an* enemy of freedom. It doesn't become better just because someone else becomes worse.
OTOH, things that directly affect one have an urgency that remote things don't.
Tortoise and the Hare issue here... (Score:5, Informative)
This is not exactly a high marker. A competent government that has the resources of China could easily do this, just like how the US was ahead of the USSR, because the USSR imploded to internal corruption.
The US mindset of companies, we all know. Because in China, a company is an arm of the government, and China can redirect funding where it sees fit, and not where some investor demands, they can control the direction of the long game. If chips are a thing, China can get fabs and make them, and not have to beg and wheedle for private industry to perhaps make a fab... or just take the billions and do a stock buyback and laugh all the way to the bank.
China also has it easy because of decisions like Citizens United. Bring a sack full of money, and it is considered free speech, pretty much making bribery a form of protected speech, provided it is filtered through a PAC. With this in mind, a few million can buy sympathetic ears in places of power. On the other hand, there are actually laws against that in China. Of course, there is corruption, but it isn't institutionalized as it is in the US.
China doesn't have to run fast. Just quickly enough to win over an opponent that chases its own tail or is passed out drunk on the side of the road while the race is being run.
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And now it's our turn in the United States to implode due to internal corruption.
It sucks that I'm too old to emigrate as a Skilled Worker.
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I know the feeling. I'm just going to stick it out and hope for the best. I look at how Russia survived the 90s, and hope that we can bounce back in some fashion.
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My first lesson in Chinese scale was construction: They're building enough apartments to house a small country, every year. Now, China is building more green energy than the rest of the world combined, every year. It's also spending billions on infrastructure. That allows for more manufacturing and a higher quality of living (and possibly more pollution, until green energy reaches 'critical mass'). UK/Europe is so crowded that building infrastructure at scale is problematic. The USA is equally crowded
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China's large-scale building spree is coming to an end. Most chinese still cannot afford to buy them, and even when they can they don't want to be cause corruption has led to buildings literally falling down. Those that have bought find often that the buildings and units are unfinished and unlikely to ever be finished, leaving people out to dry. All is not well in this Chinese utopia you have painted. The CCP is good at planning some things, and horrible at others.
Also there's the issue of China preparin
Link to the report? (Score:3)
The story links to the WSJ article, but that article doesn't link to the report. Google doesn't seem to have it either. Anybody got a link?
Re:Link to the report? (Score:4, Informative)
https://rhg.com/research/was-m... [rhg.com]
And they can equal tech of the US (Score:2)
but your product won't come with a manual of how to use it.
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However this is more than you get with most products coming from big brand USA companies. The trend seems to be a 10 page booklet on how it meets compliance and sometimes another 10 page safety booklet what you should no do with it.
Instructions on use, if any are provided, are usually "Turn on and follow the on screen prompts". Those prompt will be to provide your personal details and credit card number.
The other side of control (Score:2)
While there will be many reasons for the "Made in China" plan one of them will be to ensure the population has access to technology that makes their lif
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there is another side to controlling people, keeping them happy. Where it feels it is safe to do so the Chinese government likes to do things to keep its population happy, as a happy population is easier to control.
As for happiness, the CCP's plan is to tell their people to eat bitterness [atlanticcouncil.org] and win like that. Presumably there is more to it than that.
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It's easy for the Chinese Gov to convince the people in China to eat bitterness when it's obvious it's Trump's fault they have to eat bitterness- heck he's putting tariffs on his allies. Plenty of Canadians, Australians and Europeans are bitter about that one, and boycotting US stuff. lulz
And Trump, Musk, DOGE, etc are very helpful for the Chinese Government in brainwashing the Chinese to think China's current way is better.
The US WWE style Democracy where you have Two Parties, Elections and Two Commentato
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It's easy for the Chinese Gov to convince the people in China to eat bitterness when it's obvious it's Trump's fault they have to eat bitterness- heck he's putting tariffs on his allies.
Yes you are right, that is definitely a hook the government can use to push propaganda. It's not clear at all how the Chinese people will ultimately feel about it. Of course, anyone in China with any sense is not talking about it.
The flip side is this [reddit.com]. Outside, some prominent Chinese are blaming it on Xi for acting like a mob boss.
The US subsidizes industry (Score:2)
Hypocrits (Score:2)