Global Warming Is Speeding Up and the World Is Feeling the Effects 71
An anonymous reader shares a report: Summer started barely a week ago, and already the United States has been smothered in a record-breaking "heat dome." Alaska saw its first-ever heat advisory this month. And all of this comes on the heels of 2024, the hottest calendar year in recorded history. The world is getting hotter, faster. A report published last week found that human-caused global warming is now increasing by 0.27 degrees Celsius per decade. That rate was recorded at 0.2 degrees in the 1970s, and has been growing since.
"Each additional fractional degree of warming brings about a relatively larger increase in atmospheric extremes, like extreme downpours and severe droughts and wildfires," said Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at the University of California. While this aligns with scientific predictions of how climate change can intensify such events, the increase in severity may feel sudden to people who experience them.
"Back when we had lesser levels of warming, that relationship was a little bit less dramatic," Dr. Swain said. "There is growing evidence that the most extreme extremes probably will increase faster and to a greater extent than we used to think was the case," he added. Take rainfall, for example. Generally, extreme rainfall is intensifying at a rate of 7 percent with each degree Celsius of atmospheric warming. But recent studies indicate that so-called record-shattering events are increasing at double that rate, Dr. Swain said.
"Each additional fractional degree of warming brings about a relatively larger increase in atmospheric extremes, like extreme downpours and severe droughts and wildfires," said Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at the University of California. While this aligns with scientific predictions of how climate change can intensify such events, the increase in severity may feel sudden to people who experience them.
"Back when we had lesser levels of warming, that relationship was a little bit less dramatic," Dr. Swain said. "There is growing evidence that the most extreme extremes probably will increase faster and to a greater extent than we used to think was the case," he added. Take rainfall, for example. Generally, extreme rainfall is intensifying at a rate of 7 percent with each degree Celsius of atmospheric warming. But recent studies indicate that so-called record-shattering events are increasing at double that rate, Dr. Swain said.
Time For– (Score:2)
Shorter centuries.
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Mod parent E for Effort if not F for Funny Fail?
Currently reading two books with "the end" in the title. And yesterday's news mentioned that the June weather was surprisingly higher than ever before recorded. In mitigating circumstances, the local temperature records only go back about 150 years. During that news there were several flash announcements about little tornadoes. I remember one for a district just north of here, so that must have been a specific sighting, but later there was a warning for the en
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"People using normal comes-and-goes of the weather to frighten others into toeing their line are despicable."
People ignoring science, including what it says about localized weather events including some occasional cooking, are dumb as shit. And when they claim other people are using scare tactics because they lack the mental fortitude to handle bad news and they want them to stop so they can feel secure amidst chaos, it's pathetic.
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I am from Florida and this year is far far hotter than Florida 10 years ago. Your small data set is dishonest.
I live above the arctic circle (Score:2)
and summer is ultra-messed-up too here. We've had 2 days at 64 degrees this year, but otherwise it barely goes above 50. It's really rare here to have such a long, sustained bout of cold weather around midsummer.
I live (Score:1)
That's normal where I live. Yesterday I was complaining how cold it was in Capitola by the beach (lat 36 deg N). It was below 64 F / 18 C in the middle of the afternoon on the last day of June. The shops in that town must make a fortune selling hoodies and blankets to unprepared tourists.
I sure am glad we are sharing our anecdotes and getting some productive discussion going.
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The thing to understand is we're talking about sixth tenths of a degree warming since 1990, when averaged over *the entire globe* for the *entire year*. If the change were actually distributed that way -- evenly everywhere over the whole year -- nobody would notice any change whatsoever; there would be no natural system disruption. The temperature rise would be nearly impossible to detect against the natural background variation.
That's the thinking of people who point out that the weather outside their door
Well, we're lucky (Score:1, Troll)
The biggest historical polluter - trumpistan - just went back to its historic roots.
Trumpism added fresh punitive taxes to green energy under the radar.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
A "surprise tax" that nobody who voted for the Big Bill admits knowing about.
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Why, zdorovo, tavarisch trololo, I was wondering why I haven't seen you around recently.
Turns out I have to go to -1 to see you.
Where are you checking in from, Lakhta? How's the weather in Leningrad today?
Not real [Re:Well, we're lucky] (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, this is what "kneejerk" looks like. Maybe you shouldn't have been pushing stuff like puberty blockers without parental consent (or knowledge),
Puberty blockers without parental consent or knowledge doesn't happen. It is a made-up outrage intended to create outrage.
All stages of treatment for gender dysphoria in children and adolescents require consent from all parties with parental responsibility.
(In any case, this is irrelevant to the topic of climate change. It is yet another example of whataboutism, a form of argumentation endemic on /.)
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But nobody who says that is arguing in good faith. The important thing is to derail the conversation from anything that touches on immediate economic interests.
And make no mistake climate change is all about the economy and jobs. That's why it had to be turned into a culture war.
The Republican party and the right wing are just a shambling mass of moral panics and Petty grievances.
Re:Well, we're lucky (Score:5, Insightful)
Which of course never happened.
But it's perfectly fine for a parent to let their child die of a preventable disease because "vaccines bad", right?
Well, I have the democracy I deserve (Score:2)
The Bill passed today. More debt, fewer services, tax breaks for the wrong people.
I bet you dollars to donuts that the American people will just accept it and simply grumble when they have to shell out more for everything, and be annoyed that grandma is not getting medical care in her retirement home anymore. Even things that directly affect people seems to have no effect on their politics or voting behavior.
Re:Well, I have the democracy I deserve (Score:4, Insightful)
Kinda sad that there will be a lot of people gloating about "the big victory" when they are actually its victims.
But it is what it is.
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It makes certain sense that people don't want to admit they were taken advantage of. Nobody wants to be a loser or a rube. The denial will remain strong through Trump's term and it's unlikely anything will be done.
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That heavily revised version of the initial bill still has to pass through Congress. Maybe it will fail there.
Re:Well, we're lucky (Score:4, Interesting)
1) this highlights how poorly budget bills are written and why having giant omnibus bills is insane which has been standard practice in Congress across both parties for decades so they can bury all sorts of pork and stupid shit. They = both parties. There is nothing maga or Trump specific about this practice.
The conservative faction of Congress has been shouting that there needs to be separate bills, not one giant bill, for the last decade.
Apparently that got trumped in the current congress.
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The conservative faction of Congress has been shouting that there needs to be separate bills, not one giant bill, for the last decade.
It is quite normal, and typical, for a political party to call for changes while in opposition and then completely forgetting about them when they are elected. It is not specific to any party, or country. It is SOP here in Canada (both federally and provincially) too, where only whichever parties are not in power complain about omnibus bills, never the governing party.
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So no "Trumpistan" is not the largest polluter anymore. The US is polluting less every year and China continues to pollute more and more. Here's a graph that will not in any way dispel your obvious anti-American bias. [statista.com]
Re:Well, we're lucky (Score:5, Informative)
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And China has 4x's the population of the U.S., so, per capita, the U.S. has double the amount of CO2;
You are correct that China is overpopulated at 4x the people in a land area less than 3% larger than the US. That makes their per capita CO2 numbers look better, but doesn't change the fact that their number is going up while the US is going down.
Their one child policy was a disaster and there's no ethical way to reduce their population by 75% but the climate doesn't care that they are breeding their way into outpolluting the US. The CO2 production needs to come down and the fact that some countries have mu
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the climate problem is due to the accumulated emissions, more than half of which are from the ole USA and that will not change anytime soon. I will not mention the part where a lot of "Gina's" output is due to shit consumed in the trumpistan, but it is there.
emissions rate [Re:Well, we're lucky] (Score:5, Insightful)
Depends on what you're measuring. An individual person in the United States emits more carbon dioxide than an individual person in China, on the average. The sum total of yearly emissions from China is greater than the sum total of yearly emissions from the United States. Of the total carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the amount that had been emitted by the United States is more than the amount emitted from China (i.e., the cumulative emissions).
All of these are accurate. The actual answer is, all of the above. If Chinese emissions were dropped to zero, that would not be enough to halt global warming. If US emissions were dropped to zero, that would not be enough to stop global warming, either. It is a worldwide problem.
This is why it is such a wicked hard problem. No one nation can stop it on their own.
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I wouldn't call gasoline tax a sin tax.
As far as actual sin taxes go, the people most addicted to cigarettes are also the poorest, with the least amount of support to quit smoking, and they will bear the brunt of this tax. It's easy to say "just quit" but much harder to do in practice. So increasing the sin tax is devastating to these people who are already coming at life with a disadvantage.
Whereas taxing electric vehicles is an arguably progressive tax. Just not sure how to best implement such a tax. C
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Installing a GPS on every vehicle will probably result in a civil war, if it is even Constitutional.
Why is GPS necessary? Every vehicle has an odometer, why is that not enough to measure wear on the roads? Sure, there's greater accuracy in using GPS, but why do we need such precision?
Even if there was an argument to make GPS tracking constitutional that's a lot of added expense for so little extra useful information for taxes than can be had with an odometer. That is an indication this isn't about collecting taxes, they want more.
Wear on the roads is a matter of vehicle mass and miles driven. The vehi
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This will actually not close the gap, people will simply quit buying cigarettes.
Let me finish that for you.
This will actually not close the gap, people will simply quit buying cigarettes... in that state.
It's not that difficult to cross a state line to buy cigarettes, or to buy a lot of things, unless someone truly lives in the middle of a large state.
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Or another option, such as we have in Ohio, is to increase registration fees on hybrid and electric vehicles to compensate for the reduced fuel tax they generate.
Re:If it moves, tax it. (Re:Well, we're lucky) (Score:4, Insightful)
strangely, the subsidies for fossil fuels continue and you're not upset about them.
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strangely, the subsidies for fossil fuels continue and you're not upset about them.
What makes you believe I'm not upset about fossil fuel subsidies?
Then is the matter of "creative accounting" that people use to make the fossil fuel subsidies look larger than they are. Considering the taxes on transportation fuels I have my doubts that the government is seeing a net loss in money to fossil fuels, there's certainly a net gain there.
If the government isn't making money on some sector of the econmomy then I expect politicians might not be terribly interested in promoting that sector when the
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>> the dumpster fire of the solar power industry
Utter bullshit as usual. Utility-scale solar is the cheapest form of electricity generation. And it should be heavily subsidized in order to displace dirty energy ASAP.
Re: DOOOOOOM (Score:2)
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We're all gonna die!!!!!
Yes, but we already knew that. Has been true for as long as the human race has existed.
America is shutting down weather satellites (Score:4, Interesting)
If you live in a place with severe weather events like floods or hurricanes or tornadoes then you can expect to get little or no notice in the coming years.
We all make trade-offs. Last November we made a pretty big one. Just now 5 trillion in tax cuts for billionaires just got rammed through the Senate. If you live in a rural community your hospital will be closing to pay for that. Some suburban hospitals will be closing too.
I don't think we talk about those trade-offs enough. We spend too much time talking about how much damage gets done to the poor but nobody gives a flying rat's ass about the poor.
So instead we should talk about how fucked everybody on this forum is now. We're going to take over a trillion dollars out of the US economy and hand it over to a handful of billionaires. They cannot possibly spend enough of it to keep the economy going. And the massive unfunded tax cuts are going to trash the bond market and with it the entire US economy.
The worst of it is scheduled for right after the midterm elections. And if you're over the age of 12 you should be able to figure out why.
You're going to get a lot of propaganda in your eyeballs over the next several months. And you need to figure out what to do about the economy first and foremost. But I don't think we can give up our moral panics. They're just too much fun.
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If you live in a rural community your hospital will be closing to pay for that. Some suburban hospitals will be closing too.
No, they will not be closing to pay for that.
That is not, and isn't how it has ever worked.
They'll be closing because the folks in power are philosophically opposed to publicly funded healthcare. It's that simple.
There was no trade-off involved. We have a single-party Government currently, and they're doing what they do every time they're in power.
And the massive unfunded tax cuts are going to trash the bond market and with it the entire US economy.
lol, what?
Chicken Little, you never fail to make me smile.
The Tea Party is back, but now with more compassion and decidedly more blue color!
If there were a
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Just wait until he gets to name Powell's replacement next year. I am sure it'll do wonders for the dollar and the bond market.
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In the end though, it'll all be just fine.
He may cause a 2008 Level Event, though.
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Remember Trump isn't actually in charge the heritage foundation and Peter theil, with a bit of Elon Musk mixed in just to make things more chaotic and cruel.
Trump is a senile old man who could barely make it through the first 20 minutes of a town hall meeting set up to lob him softballs.
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Most rural hospitals rely on Medicaid payouts as a consistent and reliable revenue stream to stay open. Without those payouts they aren't profitable and they go under in the hospital closes. Many suburban hospitals also fall into this.
I'm not Chicken Little you idiot. This is what the CBO is saying you can look at the fuck up. If you live in a rural community or a suburban community that's further out congratulations you just voted to
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Who don't know how anything works tell me that's not how it works.
That's pretty rich coming from the person clearly struggling with the language we're communicating in.
Most rural hospitals rely on Medicaid payouts as a consistent and reliable revenue stream to stay open. Without those payouts they aren't profitable and they go under in the hospital closes. Many suburban hospitals also fall into this.
Nobody contested this. What was contested was your reasoning for the withdrawal of public funding. Do try to stay on point.
I'm not Chicken Little you idiot.
Oh, you absofuckinglutely are, lol.
This is what the CBO is saying you can look at the fuck up. If you live in a rural community or a suburban community that's further out congratulations you just voted to shut down your own fucking hospital. Good luck not having a stroke or a heart attack.
Shit, this conversation is moving too fast for you to keep up with, isn't it?
I called you Chicken Little because of your bond market claim. You're trying to answer that with a rehash of your above claim that was never contested- that's classic.
Have o
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The problem isn't borrowing money even as tax cuts. The problem is we borrowed $20 trillion dollars and handed it to the top 1%.
That fundamentally breaks our economy and the bond market knows it. They're going to start selling their bonds and that's going to tank the value of the dollar.
As is typical of people who don't know the first fucking thing about the US economy you don't understand that we are artificially boosting the value of the d
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Oh and as for the bond market you are a blooming moron.
Just a realist who's been around for a long time, can look at graphs and gauge the current level of dysfunction.
The problem isn't borrowing money even as tax cuts. The problem is we borrowed $20 trillion dollars and handed it to the top 1%.
That fundamentally breaks our economy and the bond market knows it. They're going to start selling their bonds and that's going to tank the value of the dollar.
As with every claim you make, all it takes to prove you wrong is a little bit of time, Chicken Little.
I have it on good authority from you that our bond market should have already collapsed. Yet, strangely, it still hasn't even hit a historical (contemporarily speaking) level of fuckery, much less a truly historical level.
Bock bock, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!
You're such a fucking
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It's worse than that: the proposed budget for NOAA dismantles a significant number of climate-related activities. Here's some of the text:
In coordination with the requested terminations for Weather Laboratories and Cooperative Institutes (see OAR-10) and Ocean Laboratories and Cooperative Institutes (see OAR-19), NOAA will close the Atlantic Oceanographic & Meteorological Laboratory (AOML) in Miami, FL; the Air Resources Laboratory (ARL) in College Park, MD, Idaho Falls, ID, and Oak Ridge, TN, as well a
So nobody who voted Trump (Score:2)
I don't talk to climate change with those idiots. They only understand one thing and that's themselves. If it doesn't directly and immediately hurt them they are not going to be worried about it in the slightest.
I don't think of any of it matters anymore but these morons are going to get wiped off the
Who do we trust on solutions and stats? (Score:1, Interesting)
If we are to solve this we need people we can trust to give us good statistics and numbers on our options, and from there to establish our best options for solutions. I'll give some links to Wikipedia for data, and this practice usually triggers people into screaming how Wikipedia cannot be trusted. Well, don't trust Wikipedia then, follow the links to the original sources or go seek out better sources with your favored search engine.
If asked on who to trust I might start with the IPCC as I have doubts th
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We do know nukes are by far the most expensive option.
There are four arguments against investment in nuclear power: Olkiluoto 3, Flamanville 3, Hinkley Point C, and Vogtle. These are the four major latest-generation plants completed or near completion in Finland, the United States, the United Kingdom and France respectively.
Cost overruns at these recent plants average over 300%, with more increases to come. The cost of Vogtle, for example, soared from US$14 billion to $34 billion (A$22-53 billion), Flamanvi
Re: fake news (Score:3)
Denialism is really boring trolling. You are a penis bird's clown shoes.
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,27C/decade doesn't seem like much... (Score:3)
The first is that it's not evenly distributed: some parts of the planet will get hotter faster than that - others may even cool down. Some will get dryer; some will get wetter. Keep in mind, this is a globally-calculated average. As we've already seen, short-term, mid-term, and long-term temperature increases in some regions may be much more than just a quarter of a degree. Some of those are well on the path to becoming essentially uninhabitable, and that in turn will generate social, political, and economic crises.
The second is that even this fractional degree of warming significantly shifts the window of possibility for extreme events: bigger hurricanes, worse droughts, etc. Events that were extremely unlikely 20, 30, 40 years ago are now only somewhat unlikely. Even the best weather models -- which are stunningly accurate when it comes to things like predicting hurricane landfall locations -- may need to be adjusted to account for conditions that have never happened before. Until that adjustment happens, those models may not be as reliable as they have been, and that affects public safety.
The third is we don't know where the tipping point is. Despite enormous amounts of research, we have - at best - plausible estimates. And if you've read any of this research then you know that we do not want to find the tipping point by going over it. And every incremental increase in the rate of warming slightly increases the probability that we'll do that.
Michael E. Mann disagrees (Score:2)
He considers this an artifact of setting too short a time window and he stresses that current trends are still very much in line with the forecasts of climate modeling.
To quote:
https://bsky.app/profile/micha... [bsky.app]
Alaska (Score:3)
“It’s not that the heat in the interior that prompted Fairbanks to issue this is record heat or anything like that.” said Rich Thoman, a climate specialist at the Alaska Center for Climate Assessment and Policy. Thoman also clarified that the term swap doesn’t have anything to do with climate change. (https://apnews.com/article/alaska-first-ever-heat-advisory-df913edec183efd7b1b800fab33ff1ad)
Constantly posting AGW space filler... (Score:2)
What a useless article, typical msmash no-effort space filler.
We get it. AGW bad.
Nothing is accomplished by cluttering a tech site with redundant low-information threads where the audience in no way benefit from yet another piece of space filler.
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What a useless article, typical msmash no-effort space filler.
We get it. AGW bad.
Nothing is accomplished by cluttering a tech site with redundant low-information threads where the audience in no way benefit from yet another piece of space filler.
Nicely put. Global warming isn't news any more. I'd like more news on what is being done about it, and what could be done with new technology. By that I don't mean more "news" on nuclear fusion since that is perpetually only 10 years away. How about news on things being built? I'd like to hear what is being built to mitigate against global warming. Any kind of big machines or megaprojects that produce energy, hold back rising seas, produce carbon neutral fuels, or do more with less energy, would be so