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Quickie Fu 100

Posted by CmdrTaco from the chop-chop dept.
b12arr0 sent us a link to a quick little GNOME article. An anonymous reader wrote in to say that GNUStep.org has had a major makeover. Nice to see that project still alive and kicking. chrisd wrote in to say that VA has made its first acquisition: ElectricLichen, possibly best known to most of us as the Beer Hike guys. OGL wrote in to give us the heads up to Linux Game Tome for info about a a work-in-progress video game starring Tux in a 3D environment. The screenshots alone are unbelievably cool. Brian Gue wrote in to tell us of a new a beer called Fubar. Why not fubeer? snorkel sent us a link to yet-another-dancing-animal-page. This is the Cow Dance Finally Vik Olliver wrote in with the most impressive Linux Fan act I've seen (narrowly edging out the dude at LWCE with the Tux hairdo). It is of course, Husband and Wife matching Tux Tatoos. My largely tux based fashion sense pales by comparison.
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  • WYSIWYG is just fine - NOT (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Excuse me, but I'm designing professionnal Web pages (for paying customers) and I certainly do all the HTML by hand, CSS, tables and everything included ! My HTML is as clean as it can be, while any WYSIWYG editor is making bloated stuff... beside, WYSIWYG editors don't always respect standards, and only make code that works with IE/Netscape. When Opera or Netpositive come along, your page becomes an ugly pile of junk, and you can't even modify the code by hand because the WYSIWYG editor made a big mess with lots of stupid tags.

    Maybe when XML becomes the norm, making Web pages with an editor will be OK, but right now HTML is way to messy and no automated system can make a clean output of it.

    Know your tag, know your CSS and use a text editor ! Designing a web page that way is a little longer than with an editor, but "debugging it" and adding PHP3/Javascript goes faster than if you have to mess with the output of a WYSIWYG editor.

  • Penguin Tatooes (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Doesn't it seem sort of strange that they both had tatooes done of the gnu/linux mascot but their webpage was created with an application that runs in windows ??

  • While you're checking out cowdance.com, pay a visit to http://www.hamsterdance.com.
  • Posted by Akira410:

    Am I strange for knowing this since it happened? :-)

    Btw: Sup Jim

    heh
  • ack...that damn banana slug :P i grew up in SC and have fond memories of trying to melt them w/ a cardboard can of Morton's salt :) now i live in silicon valley and miss SC...ahh...the beautiful fog :)
  • > and it's no longer on the Linux Game Tome.

    It's still there...you've gotta go back a day or so, or try this link [happypenguin.org] instead.
    --
    The Linux Game Tome [happypenguin.org]

  • How about body modifications instead of limiting it to tattoo's? I have 8 body mods... 7 piercings (incl 2 in my ear) and 1 tat I just got this weekend (ahhhh spring break is great).
  • funny thing is, I almost got a tatoo of tux this weekend at Jade Dragon [jadedragontattoo.com] in Chicago. I decided to get a tribal instead.
  • The world would benefit from:
    • Tux Quake II skins
    • OpenGL rotating 3D Tux Screensaver
    • a 3D Tux tamagochi-type desktop toy
    • etcetera
    So free those files, and let the community get on with it!
    --
  • Uh, you change your template, then rerun the script which renders your content into the themed output.

    You *did* write the content in a nice portable manner, didn't you?
    --
  • Everyone seems to assume that if you don't use a WYSIWYG HTML editor, you necessarily "do it by hand".

    The *smart* way to produce pretty web pages that remain consistent across a site is to write plain HTML (or LaTeX or whatever) and use scripts to index/prettify/add sidebars/etc

    If you don't want to roll your own, there are plenty of such tools on freshmeat.

    Oh, and what's more, GUI != WYSIWYG -- with the number of browsers out there, all on different platforms, different screen sizes, different colour depths, different fonts installed, Lynx, IE, Navigator, Mozilla, Arachne, Arena, you'll never be able to do WYSIWYG HTML.

    That said, something like Netscape Composer is a useful part of your toolkit for producing templates for the aforementioned scripts to work with (then edit it, then test it in Lynx, then WebLint it!)
    --
  • And then if you want to change the theme, what do you do? Edit all the 500 documents?

    Probably a better idea would be using either SSI or WML.
  • Gee, Slashdot ends up having a theme, and CmdrTaco seems to avoid using a GUI.

    In any case, when I load your page using NS 4.5 (not exactly a minority web client), I get a blank screen. If your GUI generates HTML that NS 4.5 can't display, then by definition it's broken.
    -russ
  • Actually, according to the Jargon file, FUBAR was one of the best cases of getting jargon past suits. On a VAX, FUBAR stood for Failed UniBus Address Register. In fact, if your VAX was suffering from a FUBAR, then it was probably FUBAR.

  • Journalistic integrity went out the window (no pun intended) a long time ago, if it ever really was. I remember when I was a kid and first started reading the paper how unimpressed I was with so called journalistic objectivism. Our local rag (Canadian city with a population of about 220000 at the time) would constantly insert editorial opinions inside of articles. This was probably 16 or 18 years ago. Now most of the paper is taken up by syndicated journalists, each with their own agenda or axe to grind. Online headline news for some reason seems to have less opinion inserted, so I tend to only read the local paper for local (but biased) stories and the comics (though since Calvin and Hobbes disappeared I don't even do that often). Online there are still the various wolves disguised as reporters, but headline stories on say ABC News [go.com] does seem less biased than print publications.

  • I remember reading that programmer/writer/journalist Charles Petzold has (had?) a tattoo of the Windows logo.

    Now, if you're a user, it's fine with me that you get yourself tattooed. But a journalist is supposed to be independent, right?

    Besides, I also remember reading that Petzold was emberassed when it was exposed that he had this tattoo. I suppose he only wanted to show it to MS officials, as the secret ultimate proof of his loyality ...?

  • Don't forget that this "beer" is brewed by Molson. It's probably just a relabelled Canadian or Export. Yuck.
  • I've moved my nostrils from my nose to where they should be: on top of my head. That way when I go swimming, I can catch air a lot easier.
  • "fubar" is older than that, at least as old as WW2. It's a very old military term, and "foo bar" and everything else is just another variation on it.
  • It sure does look that way.

  • I would actually get a tatoo, if I were a real hacker ... maybe one day. I wouldn't get a Tux tatoo though, especially not on the forearm (unless you like explaining what the hell it is to people all day).

    The BSD daemon would make a great tatoo, but GNU would be the best ... it has a cultish aspect to it. Plus the GNU looks cool.

  • What would the M$ logo be? I personally believe that it would be a vulture, or some bird of prey. In the battle of the birds, the cute penguin will win...
  • What are you talking about? Kokanee tastes almost as bad as America mass-produced beer.
  • Yeah, they're pretty bad too. We keep the good stuff for ourselves...
  • It's lager. Ptui.


    Gimme a good IPA or stout anyday...

  • I'll assume that it's two arms belonging to separate people, based on observation that pairs of butt cheeks are almost always the same color.
  • Try reload. I got a blank page with NS4.07, but then hit reload and it was fine. Of course I'm behind a MS proxy server today.

    Joe
  • Maybe the tattoos are those washable ink fake tattoos. Maybe there's a photograph of the same people with MS Windows tattoos.

    Perhaps Bill Gates has secretly purchased all the tattoo ink companies in the world and put these people up with their Penguin tattoos in the hopes that all Linux fans would say "Hey that's cool" and run out and get a Tux tattoo. Meanwhile Bill Gates altered the ink formula in the worlds tattoo ink supply to include mind control drugs. Voila! No more Linux problem.
  • Forget their Operating System..
    I want their skin.

    With a tattoo of an operating system, how could you ever build something better?
  • Don't knock that Fubar stuff, I live in Edmonton where it's made and I've heard it pretty good and I looking forward to trying it.
  • Getting 100 bytes per second :) Oh well, havta go back later.
  • ...although only to Windows. Isn't Windows 2k going to be renamed Windows fubar when M$ releases it in 2001?

    ~afniv
    "Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
    "We could be happy if the air was as pure as the beer"
  • Obvisouly, it seams the new brew comes with a warning label: FUBAR.

    I'm not sure I would want to try it. ;)

    Incidently, looking at their web page, it seems the only people involved are: Imaging, Public Relations, Launch night, Merchandising, Print Media, and Support. No where do I see brew-master or brewer. I guess that is Molson's partial support.

    ~afniv
    "Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
    "We could be happy if the air was as pure as the beer"
  • I had thought about getting a bsd daemon on my shoulder as well, but then I couldn't decide whether it would be an incredibly stupid thing to do or not. (no offense to people with os-related tattoos, it's all personal preference) I mean - at first I thought bsd can't last forever, so I'd be stuck with a hopelessly out of date tattoo. Then I thought that maybe it would be a reminder of happy computing days gone by, and for a while I was happy with that.

    Then I thought "what if BSD suddenly goes in some horrible direction, to the point where I would willfully stop using it, like adopting the gpl or if linux/windows users started switching to it or something? What if I found an operating system that just blows bsd out of the water? Why doesn't BeOS have a cute tattooable mascot?"

    And if I did end up getting a daemon tattoo, should I use the FreeBSD one, or the OpenBSD 3d-ish one?

    Any thoughts on this? I don't have any tattoos at the moment - maybe I can just get an ambiguous tattoo in the meantime to help me catch the tattoo bug. :)
    -lx
  • I do the majority of my html in vi, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the appropriate uses of a wysiwyg editor. Output varies from editor to editor, but some of them can be largely cleaned up by a script to remove ^M 's. Plus, it just makes sense to design something that will be judged by how it looks designing it by LOOKS, not by code. It's like graphic design.

    I'd like to see CSS done by hand. Show me CSS that wiggles all over the screen like the customer wants, and done by hand, and I'll be impressed.

    -lx
  • I hope they don't use something stupid like a bee. That would make a pretty lame mascot.
    I think they should genetically engineer a totally new mascot, leaving out all the legacy code in current life forms...
    ;)

    -lx
  • Penguins fly - just they do it underwater where the food is, rather than in the air where the competition is. Sort of represents the paradigm switch that linux is. I'd rather be a fat penguin with a stomach full of fish than a skinny gull chasing fishing boats for offal.....

    *-*
  • Wasn't that http://www.elanvital.com.tw/ [elanvital.com.tw] ?
  • Always meant to post - http://students.ou.edu/D/James.R.Duchek-1/tat.html if you care to look.
  • That would be interesting to see?

    I have 4 and try to get 2 a year or so.

    --
    Joshua Curtis
    Lancaster Co. Linux Users Group
  • Actually, I'd kinda have to agree with ya there.

    Call it blasphemy, but I always thought Linux should have a more "bad-ass" looking logo than a goofy penguin. I dunno, Tux just looks too benign and he'd look kinda out of place next to my tattoos of skulls and demons etc.

    Besides if Linux ever goes extinct, maybe replaced by something better (hey it COULD happen), all these dudes with the penguin tattoos are gonna look kind of silly.
    At least with a "bad-ass" mascot you'd still have a fairly cool tattoo even if it lost most of it's significance.
  • As I said in the reply, a page editor is no good for a themed website. A web *site* design package is what paid website designers like my good lady wife Suz need.

    Vik :v)
  • If it's any consolation, the web pages are uploaded from a Linux box via our household Linux internet server because aforementioned Windows design software can't ftp in passive mode.

    If you know of a good GUI Linux website design program, we'd love to hear about it. Web page design programs don't cut it when you've got a site to design with a theme, and we've not found a Linux tool that's up to the job yet since we saw the light and decided to defenestrate.

    Vik :v)
  • With Error 500.

    Thanks a lot, Slashdot. :-/
  • Yup, it's dead.. I think that there are a few expressions we should add to the english language: To feel slashdotted: To be very tired, worn out To Slashdot someone: To give someone to much to do Any more ideas?

    QuMa
  • One might want to think that under those circumstances, it might be Situation Normal, All Fucked Up... or would that be treading on another vietnam era acronym? :)

    -Chris
  • Yeah, Kokanee sucks...You American dudes, what you want is a good pint of Cinquante ("50"), right fellow Canadians (wink, wink). Or maybe Laurentide. Come on up and get it..we'll through in a coupla 2-4s of Cinci for free...
    Just Remember, the Dark Horse Ale and the Upper Canada Dark, that sucks...just leave it up here with us (hehhehehe!)
  • Actually, I thought it was this [futurecase.com]

    Hope this helps!

  • Fubar is WW2, 'Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition', one of a stream of similar acronyms popular at the time (see Bill Bryson's 'Mother Tongue' for more - another from the top of my head was SNAFU, 'Situation Normal - All Fucked Up').

    Any beer that's had Molson near it can safely be considered totally FUBAR, so the name is appropriate.
  • I always thought that Tux was a little fat. Maybey it would be good if Tux went to the weight room in his 3D adventure.

    Otherwise Link and Mario are going to kick his ass all over the place.
  • I told you we would be putting
    this stuff on our hands &
    foreheads didn't I?

    Still don't believe me?!

    *he he*

  • Now way, it totally sticks out. One of the few birds that can't fly. Sort of like a cow that's allergic to grass, it's just funny.
  • Give me the "Real Men Use Vi/Emacs/echo blah > index.html" line if you wish, but I have yet to see a decent WYSIWYG editor - the kind that are useful when you have a client looking over your shoulder.

    DreamWeaver 2 ain't perfect (and I am guessing that's not what they used - it doesn't plaster ads for itself in META tags), but it's a damn site better than FrontPage 98 et al.

  • Old news probably... but I've seen Duff Beer for sale... (I think 20thC Fox had it pulled?) in .AU
  • From what I've read (somewhere), the word fubar came to life already during the second world war. And I thought foobar is the same as fubar, just slightly modified to sound a bit less abusive (in case some sensitive person should read our code).

    Just my theories. No references.
  • Something I've thought about many times but never have had the time to do is making a program something like that cute esheep that they have in Windows. But instead featuring Tux of course, would be pretty cool I think.

    So many things to code, so little spare time.
  • Is it me or is this a troll? No, surely not...
    AC's indeed...
    1) Tux is cool. Almost as cool as the Dustpuppy. *grin*

    2) The whole ethos of Linux is friendly, not predatory. Cute penguins, not eagles. Eagles may like killing things, but they ain't too bright.

    3) There's already plenty of aardvark gone into Linux (ok, that was a *real* bad pun)

    Ok - so if the MS logo was an animal, what would it be?
  • What you do is, you make a template, and edit it for each page that you want to make. All the "Theme" is still there just the content changes (And the chances are it doesn't look like EVERY other themed website made by the same package)
  • Fubar is Vietnam era military acronym standing for; Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition. It doesn't have any special relevance to computers or nerds.
  • Maybe we are all paranoid MSfeed, who scurry at Bill Gates backoning? Oh no! I think I see him outside! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

    --

  • Tux is a big and slow penguin. Not quite something that I would associate with linux. Though that Tux, he portrays the kind of attitude (or lack of) that I would associate with linux. I would definitely not want some eagle or lion to stand for linux. Maybe a weasel or a farret? Ah well, too late to change now. And I am happy with Tux.

    One question though: When did GNOME become a foot?

    --

  • 'Icaza claimed GNOME was just as good as windows'

    This isn't a GNOME knock, it's wake the hell up... now to us geeks.. we may see something different here.. so that GNOME is better.. but users? hell.. to a user Windows incompasses(sp?) the OS, the GUI and the applications.. that said.. GNOME doesnt touch it.. granted it's coming along fast and great.. but from a USER standpoint that quote is BS.

    Think about it.. lil user sees 'better than windows' all this gui and stuff.. so they go get it.. find out suree its pretty and got a great foundation.. but it sure isnt what they're used to, windows may crash alot.. but it is more or less complete.. and offers alot to the 'user'... you all should take a moment and look at things from a user standpoint.. different world out there.

    Im not belittling gnome.. im just sayin a little modesty or something would be better... blatently saying something to the media that isnt thoroughly true is the samething another company does.. it gets people's hopes up for something new, improved and better.. only to get it and be let down once again.. only difference here is the user isnt paying $$$ for the let down.. and i for one care about the people, i care about their experience with what they use.. first impressions are lasting!

    Just my thoughts..

    ---/disclaimer/-------------------
    i am not a writer, or speler =)
    ----------------------------------
  • Animal mascots are cool, but once you pick one you're stuck with it- just like a tattoo.

    How about waiting 'till O'Reilly does a BeOS book and adopting whatever animal they use?
  • I think it falls into relatively the same space as UC Santa Cruz's mascot - the Banana Slug.


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