Katz vs. Taco: The Matrix 337
CmdrTaco:Few Spoilers
"Guys we've got a movie, and it needs a Messiah Figure. A guy who can save the world. Who can you think of that would fit the bill?"
"Charleton Heston?" "Bill Maher?" "Ted Nugent?" "Keanu Reeves?"
"You mean Ted? Excellent."
I figure this exchange has happened a few times in Hollywood. How Keanau keeps getting to be the guy that saves the world is beyond me. But he did a good job this time around. He's a little plastic, but thats just how he is. Fortunately, it doesn't matter, because the world that he is in is completely engrossing. You will sit down and for 2 hours and a few minutes, be completely entranced by The Matrix.
This is a great movie. I won't spoil it and tell you what "The Matrix" is, but you'll figure it out pretty early on. And its an interesting and convincing concept that actually works. Its ideas picked and grabbed from all sorts of sci fi, and it will appeal immensely to many of us.
The world is a strange mish mash of pseudo mysticism or spirituality. Lots of techno-babble stirred in. And the scary thing is that it works. And it works really well. Its a dark world, and a confusing one. But it all pretty much sorts itself out in the first half hour and then you can enjoy a pretty entertaining ride.
A general, non spoiler summary is that Neo (Reeves) is a slightly rebelious [h|cr]acker not happy in the system. He is lured around and eventually joins up with a rebelious band of cyber badasses out to save the world. They have mega technology. They have a space ship. They run from robotic spiders. They have unlimited weapons and virtual reality Kung Fu training simulators. And if you've seen the trailers: Super Powers. But it gets a lot crazier.
So some of the acting is a bit wooden. Some of the fx are a bit campy. Some of the jokes are sad. But these tiny flaws will slip by almost unnoticed because most of the fx are seamless. Most of the jokes are just right. And while some of the fighting is cheesy, other parts are quite exciting. This movie makes good use of many fx that we've seen in commercials for years, and somehow ties them together with a plot that is interesting. The philosophy and stuff gets a tad heavy at times, but not to badly, just a little bit fluffy.
2 hours, and I don't think I blinked.
I'd write a longer review, but frankly I don't want to spoil it for you. And I'll warn you that Katz's review will spoil some of the big surprises, so keep scrolling or hit that back button if you don't want to know...
JonKatz:Spoiler Warning
In science fiction, and in the mythology of computing science, it's believed - remember Ray Kurzweil and his "Age of Spiritual Machines" -- that as we race towards more powerful computers and machines with artificial intelligence, eventually there will be some cataclysmic Omega Point at which everything changes, especially the fundamental situation of people in the universe.
Engineers, scientists, developers and programmers don't dwell on Omega Point theory much, at least in public, but it's a staple in the literature of computing as well as science fiction.
And here it is again as the centerpiece of the "The Matrix," the stylish, highly entertaining new geek action thriller starring Keanu Reeves and Laurence Fishburne. The movie asks the question: what if the world were run by evil computers who bred humans only as an energy source?
What if only a handful of humans knew the truth, and the rest lived in a world where reality was altered by an artificially-brilliant monster which created a virtual dream world in which nobody could tell what was real and what wasn't, if people believed they were living lives, but weren't?
This is the Omega Point and it's the world Neo the hacker suddenly wakes up to. He's led to the now inevitable Leader of the Rebel Forces (Fishburne), and they go after the humanoid machines. Naturally, they are represented by agents, evil and powerful NSA-style Men In Suits (attention Hollywood: can we come up with some new bad guys?).
This movie is a geek feast, with echoes of "Terminator," "Alien," "The X-Files," "200l: A Space Odyssey," and "Star Wars." Maybe a bit of Jackie Chan and "Walker, Texas Ranger," too. Heroes and villains kick-box their way across the universe, driving each other through windows, walls and virtual space. This movie, made by the Wachowski Brothers, is made without apology by and for nerds and geeks. The real villain is a "neural interactive simulation," a concept familiar to computing types, therefore one the film doesn't even feel it needs to to explain.
"The Matrix" is a smart, strange, complicated movie, one that takes techno-cinematography to new and classy levels. The beginning of the movie has an almost gothic, truly creepy feel to it. "The Matrix" also has a truly dark premise, eerie, new, imaginative and startling special effects, and a pace like a high-speed download.
And for once, the familiar arguments about technology, humanity and the future are intelligently presented and argued. Artificial intelligence machines - AT's - have gone to war with humans in the 21st century and won, and are setting about to literally suck the life out of humanity (Neo is shown the skeletal remains of civilization hidden beneath the virtual ground). Neo, the Everyman hacker is cast as the messiah, called upon to save the earth with the help of various raggedy geeks, nerds and a battalion of laptops with high-resolution monitors.
As Neo, Reeves is a well-meaning mono-man, likeable but almost one dimensional. All his life, he's known something is wrong with the world, but he could never put his finger - or keyboard - on it. Now, he gets to know. This movie is a very knowing geek fantasy. Neo, a software programmer, had a dual (but no social) life. By day, he's a programmer, by night a lawless hacker. He and everyone else speaks in the stuffy language of the future, which is to say nobody uses contractions. Carrie-Anne Moss plays Trinity, the equally grim and business-like super-hacker babe who guides Neo to his'yes!?destiny.
Whenever the movie tilts towards the clunky and heavy-handed ("I can show you the door," intones Rebel Leader Morpheus to Neo at one point, "but you have to go through it yourself" it self-corrects with real wit and dazzling effects.
There are some fun geek fantasies: the only time Neo smiles is when martial arts programs are being down-loaded into his brain. Later, a rebel hacker and fellow geek generously offers him some intimate time with a virtual blonde in a red-dress he's created as a software training program.
The mysterious Zionist Oracle, the source of all wisdom to whom every good guy and human must trek, turns out to be a chatty, grandmotherly black lady baking cookies in her kitchen.
For most of the movie, Neo doesn't believe this Messiah stuff and riddled with the expected self-doubts and unwillingness to use his powers, a/k/a, his "Force." But once he does get religion, it's with a vengeance: in one of the campiest scenes of any recent sci-fi movie, he and Trinity download an arsenal of black weapons, along with superhuman powers, floor length leather jackets, a black chopper, and enough Kung Fu moves to take out a battalion of humanoids.
Bullets, bodies and shell casings literally rain from the skies (even bullets are stylish in this movie), buildings blow up, humans and androids both die and resurrected with regularity; and everybody goes back and forth between the real and virtual world so rapidly and fluidly that the movie very nearly invokes the experience of being online. The martial arts stunts approach choreographed ballet.
"The Matrix" is a sci-fi thriller, and a great one. Since it takes care not to take itself too seriously, it's not a good idea to give it more weight than it deserves. It doesn't explain itself to nerds, geeks and computer users - it's made for them. And any movie that leaves you disturbed, riveted, entertained, and then thinking when you leave the theater, is well worth the trip. jonkatz@slashdot.org
The underlying philosophy of the movie (Score:1)
"I can show you the door, but you must walk through it yourself."
"You must not think that you can do it, you must know you can do it"
The imagery was classic symbolism, from the "birth" scene to the final battle scene. It was a well done movie, one of the best movies I have seen in a long time.
Best scene (Score:1)
what was funny is that by this point you bought SO MUCH into the plot (at least i did) that the simple looking kitchen looks absolutely magical. Even the cookies look sort of supranatural. At that point I had a "out of body" experience, watching myself watching the movie and going "WOW this is great stuff, and I looking at a random kitchen with a random looking mama, pretending she is an oracle and I AM BUYING IT ALL THE WAY"
I thorougly enjoyed the movie from minute 1 to the last one
Rent Dark City (Score:1)
Obscure Reference in The Matrix (and john woo) (Score:1)
The whole movie is like a sci-fi, special effects, john woo flick on speed. :p right down to the pseudo religion, the questions of fate, and the "finding of self worth".
Any thoughts?
Holes v. Understanding the metaphors (Score:1)
No - they needed a "hardwire" to get out ... since everything in the matrix is conceptual (read gibson). The phone with it's cable represents a "physical" connection to the "real" world.
See ... when the bitch cipher sells them out "The Man" cuts the "hardwire" on that "building" so now the "phone" doesn't work. But these are all anaolgies for software compenents that provide their "personas" with escape from the software that is the matrix.
"The red pill is a trace program"
Eye Candy (Score:1)
Go see it in a good movie theatre. Sit up front. Lean back. Try not to blink.
Paused Pan effect (Score:1)
Rent City of Lost Children (Score:1)
chris
It could matter (Score:1)
Confession (Score:1)
That said, I'm liking what I hear about this movie -- maybe I'll go catch a show today (what the hell, it's only $4.50 before 5:30).
On another subject, this "Katz v. Taco" thing needs some Mortal Kombat II-inspired icon to go with it. Maybe a shot of them holding up their dukes at one another. No, on second thought that would look pretty bad -- maybe they could be poised with their palm pilots and cell phones and personal fax machines, ready for a geek duel a la Dilbert. Yeah, that'd work...
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Comments (Score:1)
the right things to get me interested without
spoiling the big 'OH NEATO!' part where you find
out what the matrix is. That had to be half of the
fun of the movie right there. Go a little easier
on the spoilers next time, Katz.
Good for a laugh (Score:1)
It had some great effects, but my friends and I repressed giggles a lot through the movie. It was very melodramatic and overacted (expected from Keanu, not expected from a great actor like Lawrence Fishburn). I describe it as Dune meets Jackie Chan meets Alien meets (insert Gibson book here).
It was worth the $7.50, but only for the Keanu eye candy (for the grrls).
Yowzah! (Score:1)
Only Two thumbs...C'mon guys!!! You've both got two hands! It deserves at least three thumbs and a toe! This movie...."oh my god" sums it up very well.
Rent Dark City (Score:1)
I have to figure out how to say enough to get moderated over a reasonable threshhold.
I just wanted to put in a really strong good word for the movie _Dark City_. It made it to theatres for all of 5 minutes, as I remember. I had to get it on video myself, which is too bad since it would have looked nice on the big screen.
But reading the reviews of _The Matrix_ (haven't seen it yet), and the trailers, it looks like _Dark City_ has an awful lot in comon with the former in both plot elements and visual style. That said, _Dark City_ winds up being genuinely interesting in the way it handles its philosophical/existential questions (and I might flaunt my credentials as a Philosophy Ph.D. in this regard... if only because most 'philosophical' questions in movies are so very dopey). OK, it's not the same as reading Deleuze, or even Descartes. But _Dark City_ actually does make you think about it at the end of it.
I am sure that _Dark City_ did not have the FX budget that _The Matrix_ did... but it had enough to do some nice stuff. And the visual mood is fascinating throughout... I especially like the consistent syncretism of the film, which it shares with some notable others, like _Brazil_ (and in some ways, _Blade Runner_). That is, there are a number of films (and some Gibson short story, I forget the title) that are about a future... but the future is the *PAST's* future. That is, the films (made in 1980-2000, say) try to create a world which is the sci-fi future envisioned in the 1920s through 1950s. The effect is to be simultaneously futuristic and nostalgic. It is a nice effect, and one which presents a fascinating cinimegraphic image.
Obscure Reference in The Matrix (Score:1)
There was a very obscure pop cultural reference in The Matrix, and I'm looking for any kindred souls who got it, when Neo is running away from agents in the Matrix and yells into a cell phone, "Mr. Wizard, get me the hell out of here!"
Hint--it's not the science experiment Mr. Wizard.
Obscure Reference in The Matrix (Score:1)
Haven't seen the movie but that's a Tooter the Turtle reference!
dribble drabble drizzle droll...time for Tooter to come home..
(or whatever his magic words are...being ages since I've actually seen the cartoon)
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"Wars, conflict, it's all business. One murder makes a
villain. Millions a hero. Numbers sanctify."
This pigs interpretation (Score:1)
This pig thinks the overacting was not totally intended...yes, there was some intentional humor in the flick (my favorite which was the shootout scene in the subway station with the newspapers blowing around) but they did take themselves pretty seriously during most of it, don't you think? Just the way Fishburn would talk so deep and slow...
I just wasn't able to "lose" myself in this movie...I was constantly being jerked back into my seat in the theatre as opposed to being immersed in the flick.
Katz, you gave too much away! (Score:1)
hey you moron!!! i havent seen the crying game yet!!!!
Rent City of Lost Children (Score:1)
I *did* like _City of Lost Children_ very much. It was another example of of creating an really interesting cinemagraphic world, full of puzzling and bizarre elements. But it seems like a very different ontological premise than _Dark City_ or _The Matrix_ (which I just saw since my first post). There was none of the Cartesian doubt element in _City of Lost Children_ that there was in the others. A strange and fascinating world, certainly. But it still was what it was... there was no skeptical question posed of whether the world the characters saw was really the world they lived in. I'm not saying that is either better or worse; but the comparison does not stand out so much for me.
The Matrix--I saw a preview screening! (Score:1)
I saw a preview screening last Wednesday (The 24th of March) and was completely awed by this movie.
It is now my absolutely favorite and I'm already planning on seeing this weekend and again next week with a friend!
Woohoo!
thermodynamic sillyness and Budhism (Score:1)
If you do a little rewriting of the movie, you can get around that sillyness. The thermodynamic impossibilities of humans as batteries (waste heat is like, so inefficient) can be substituted for using humans for computational power to run the AIs and the Matrix.
'nuff said
Also, who noticed that the story tried to parallel the story of Buddha as best it could, with the night-sea journey, etc
-phantom
pick a pod of pickled people (Score:1)
I know this comment is too late for anybody to actually read it, but so what... this film blew me away. Some of the acting is a little wooden, but then again if you'd been floating in a vat of fluid for most of your life you might be a little wooden too, as if the you're numbed by the intensity of the real world.
Humans as a power source??? (Score:1)
They would obviously need more chemical volume than that provided by dead bodies for food, but they would probably have access to a lot of organic material that would also work. Even though the skies are dark, there would still be simple plant and animal life which could be used as food for the "batteries." Regenerating the dead just makes the process more efficient. Would you rather spend valuable film time explaining everything rather than giving us all those cool FX and action sequences? Not me. And if you're picking at this minor nit, I hope you don't think too highly of the Star Wars films in which spaceships make SOUND and execute aerodynamic maneuvers in space!!!
Ever heard of Sam Peckinpah? (Score:1)
He was the first director to popularize those slow-mo gunfight scenes which John Woo later turned into a high art form. Which is not to say that John Woo isn't an original, because he most certainly is. I'm just saying that we all stand atop the shoulders of others, so try not to knock "The Matrix" too much for co-opting his style; a lot of other HK action films are much more blatant ripoffs and are not nearly as fun as "The Matrix." Plus, the press for "The Matrix" has given plenty of credit to the HK school, including prominently listing the names of the action specialists who choreographed the fight scenes.
Just my $0.02...
"What are you saying -- that I can dodge bullets?"
-- Neo
This movie should be Open Source... (Score:1)
...because I have a few modifications that I would like to make. I liked WHAT happened in this movie, but I didn't like WHY things happened. Here are my mods:
1. The AI is benevolent and wants to preserve
the human species out of reverence (of their creators); they are putting humans in the Matrix as a gift so that we can live in a descent world before we destroyed it. They are trying to keep us from finding out about it so that we remain happy...kinda like "save the whales".
2. Morpheus accidentally discovered the truth and wants to recruit more people to share his misery.
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2. Morpheus' team is a group of people who want to exploit the programmibility of the Matrix to create better lives for themselves: fortune, fame, babes, etc.. However, someone always has to stand guard in the "real world"--so maybe they take turns.
3. Most people who discover "reality" want to get back into the Matrix (wouldn't you?).
4. More of the "deja vu" glitches happen, this is what clues people in on the situation; kind of like Jacob's Ladder when ever so often Jacob sees something really weird but can't ever catch it.
5. People wake up into the real world when they "die" in the Matrix...pretty much equivalent to hell.
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5. People get reincarnated when they "die" in the Matrix.
6. The "agents" are programmed by humans in the "real world" who hack into the Matrix to cause trouble because, a. they are sadistic, b. they are bored., c. they are religous zealots. Maybe they are trying to destroy the Matrix, and Keanu is the hero to stop them.
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There are a lot of ways to make this a better movie.
The idea that the AI needs us for batteries is just totally ludicrous, because:
1. The law of conservation of energy: humans will not generate more energy than they consume in food/fuel.
2. The AI couldn't find some petroleum, nuclear fuel, or some other energy source? Oh sure but they could make billions of coccoons and flying metal squids!
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Here is one of many problems with the Matrix itself:
1. The rules in the Matrix would be dynamic, not static. The AI could change them at will.
2. The agents would never get hurt.
3. The AI wouldn't even need agents, if they
really wanted to kill someone, it would be easy: just drop a 16-ton weight on them (a la Monty Python), etc.
Enough said.
You guys make me change my mind (Score:1)
Yowzah! (Score:1)
strange casting... (Score:1)
Since he doesn't have to talk geek-talk in this one it works. He probably wouldn't have been my first (or second, etc.) choice, but he was ok for a plastic person.
Good for a laugh (Score:1)
Yeah... now that I think about it, it was a little Dune-like. Had some Dark City, Face Off (what other movie paid so much attention to bullets?), and of course Jackie Chan for the cool martial arts scenes.
As long as they don't screw it up... (Score:1)
If they make a sequel, they better not dumb it down. It should be at least as smart as this one, and probably more so. I would hate to see a bad sequel to this movie.
Doesn't anyone read sci-fi anymore? (Score:1)
There are some similarities, but the plot isn't the same. Go see the movie. It's too good to pass up.
The Taco vs The Katz. (Score:1)
Of course that kinda works in our favor too. While they have similar tastes, their taste is also similar to most /. readers. If both of them like it, then most of us will probably like it too.
Katz, you gave too much away! (Score:1)
Isn't that why Taco put spoiler warnings all over the place??
strange casting... (Score:1)
And for the record, I enjoyed Star Wars. I've even read some of the recent books. But I don't consider them sci fi beyond the fact that there are space ships in it.
Katz paying full attention? (Score:1)
Where was the ending? (Score:1)
Are *you* paying attention? (SPOILER WARNING!) (Score:1)
1) Yes, I know the fighting ability and weapons/equipment use was taught in that way. He didn't just pick that up.
2) Exactly. Neo had to figure out how to control the Matrix to make it do what he wanted it to - that wasn't taught, he just had to try it and go from there.
3) Like another guy said, the "Jump" environment was to get him to try in a safe environment to learn how to exploit the fact that the Matrix was only a simulated reality.
So unless I'm misreading what Katz said, my understanding was that he thought he "downloaded" the ability to control the Matrix itself, which is untrue. (I was in the front row. It was loud. I didn't fall asleep.
The most unrealistic part of the movie... (Score:1)
What about the heroine? (Score:1)
Sounds like scriptwriter was reading Descartes (Score:1)
the conclusion:
Technology in of itself isn't evil, but man still has to come to grips with his moral/immoral use of technology.
I can't wait to see this movie, but it's NOT going to bust down my building exitement over TPM. . .
The Omega Point (Score:2)
Unlike many other theologians of his time, De Chardin accepted the scientific theory of evolution. However, his philosophy (being, as it was, theology) went beyond what can be considered scientific. He added to Darwin's theory the idea that evolution has a telos, or end-point to which it aspires. He called this telos "the Omega Point" and considered it to be the same thing as union with God. That is, according to de Chardin, humanity is presently evolving towards literal Godhead.
Naturally, this is not reconcilable with modern evolutionary theory, which considers evolution not to have a telos. However, it does make for good SF every once in a while; the first, second, and fourth books of the _Hyperion_ saga are really quite good. (The third, _Endymion_, reads like a Star Wars novel...)
Paused Pan effect (Score:1)
Holes in the plot (Score:1)
It said in the movie that they liquefy the dead and feed them to the living intravenously.
It seemed the romantic twist at the end was very forced and didn't have any buildup from earlier in the movie. It seemed to just come from nowhere.
Remember when they first got Neo, he was sleeping in his room and Trinity brought him dinner? Remember Cipher saying "I don't remember you bringing me dinner when I first got here."? I'm sure there were other parts, it really didn't come as a surprise to me, I saw it coming.
Then again maybe I'm just used to their being some kind of love interest in just about every movie nowadays so I was expecting it.
F/X Porn (Score:1)
Taco vs Katz reviews (Score:1)
Keep it up!
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White Wolf's "Mage", The Virtual Adept Story (Score:1)
Your reality is not reality. There is an external reality that is more real.
People freak out when they see the impossible, allowing the agents of reality to hunt you down.
Some people are chosen to be awakened. Humanity is not yet ready to be awakened. (Same terminology as WW's Mage)
As your understanding of the non-reality of reality improves, your powers improve.
Remember the training crowd scene, where Neo keeps getting bumped around, but Morpheus parts the crowd like the red sea? Perfect example of Arcane.
The scene at the end where Neo see's the world as a data stream? "Landscape in the Mind"
The Dream ability was renamed "downloading programs".
Hell, I think some of the action stunts they pulled come right out of the RPG's rule book...
(kick-ass movie though. Very Fun. Highly recomended)
Right On (Score:1)
strange casting... (Score:1)
Not in a million years (Score:1)
>They mentioned something about the humans "scorching" the sky when fighting the machines which I guess meant that they blocked out the sun because that was it's early source of power. This would have made earth's temperature drop.
Literally, blocking the sun, won't have any measureable affect on the core of the earth in a million years, much less one hundred. The whole bit about "feeding off of people" was there for "monster effect" and only for monster effect. No basis in reality at all. All the rest of the violations of physics stem from that one idea. All the BS about temperature, the agents, the battles, the AI living off of the energy of the people comes from the Hollywood need to make the AI monstrous.
Right On (Score:1)
Yeah.. stop motion panning has been overdone.. but I don;t think I've ever seen it used as effectively as in The Matrix. It really added to a LOT to the action sequences.. and the great use of fast/slow effects was killer too.
I think over all as a whole the special effects weren;t just "eye candy" but actyually added to the plot and action sequances of the movie.
-Ex-Nt-User
CoLC/Dark City/MATRIX (Score:1)
"jacked" kids was similar but it ends right there.
The underlying philosophy of the movie (Score:1)
"Theres a difference between knowing the path
and walking it".
This whole movie was so much food for thought that afterwards I had to take a nap.
gotta love those Christians... (Score:1)
The imagery was absolutely beautiful. What with the prophets/Oracle, John the Baptist/Morpheus, Judas/Cypher, the ressurection and the messiah figure in general. I'd say in that respect its a lot more like (the novel) DUNE. Very well thought out Science Fiction... not Sci-Fi.
What holes? 2nd law of thermodynamics is what (Score:1)
They feed the dead humans to the humans. Ok. Humans are producing heat, and the Na+/K+ pumps are producing electrical imbalances. And the bodies of the humans are maintaining and building themselves on this. These are all wasteful steps. Assuming the CO2 and H20 could be converted back to 02 and various sugars (old c6h12o6 fer example), this requires an imput of energy as well. In short, entropy wins.
They should have claimed the AI were using humans as biological computer components or something..
Scriptwriters replaced by machines? (Score:1)
-Virgil
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I wish I had said no.-DOOD (Score:1)
Don't let that happen to you.
I wish I had said no. (Score:1)
They are:
A: Hyperreal
B: Over exagerated.
C: kinda funny/cool that way.
So yeah. That stuff was funny. IT WAS SOPPOSED TO BE!!!
Keanu was sopposed to be that way. This is not Shakespere (thank god) nothing could be more boring. If you want Shakespere, go see '10 things I hate about you' and complain about how the book was much better than the movie.
btw: Shakespere on the stage seems was more forced and flat and wooden and laughable than Keanu.
hehe.
I even bust out during the tragedies its so fake seeming.
Obscure Reference in The Matrix (Score:1)
I wish I had said no. (Score:1)
Plot: B-
Reason: I have to disagree with Katz... the movie repeatedly tries to explain what the Matrix is, and what the heck is going on. The movie isn't intended anymore for geeks/nerds than from Irish-Catholic school girls. Down to the grit, it's Terminator 2's "Good versus Evil" "Man versus Machine" idea. Nothing new was really added, just an alternate version of Term. 2. Much of it was pretty predictable since it was borrowed from other Sci-fi stories/movies.
Ideas: A-
Reason: The basic idea is a bunch of rebels trying to save Earth from evil robots. Sound like anything familar? It does raise interesting philosophical questions that one might ask themself in the tub... What is the difference between real and fantasy?
Effects: A
Reason: Some wicked graphics, including the infamous cinematic panorama shots. Great work with blowing up hotel lobbies and entire city blocks. If what you want to see is fire, blood, fire, bullets and squid-space machines than this will be a lovefest.
Acting: C
Reason: Keanu was pretty bad as was the whole lot of them, except some interesting philosophical moments with Fishburne. The jokes, as mentioned in the offical reviews were somewhat choked. Keanu is a pretty horrible kick-boxer, kung fu fighter. He has some pretty messy, overdramatic fighting scenes that left me laughing. The supporting cast is fairly strong, except they don't appear a great deal through out the show. Watch out for the rebel wearing Pleather (Plastic-leather)... She'll give ya a kick.
Final Assessment: See the movie; make an opinion for yourself.
Matrix is my new GOD. (Score:1)
The underlying philosophy of the movie (Score:1)
Damn fun movie (Score:1)
Wierd.
I'm hating the thought of seeing The Matrix, because I've got a sinking feeling its plot may be very close to a book I've been writing... How much is that gonna suck?
Damn fun movie (Score:1)
Alternate energy sources mentioned (Score:1)
Which, i suppose, would totally destroy the need for humans. But still, an excellent movie.
.. as for the love thing, i'm sure a lot of the important romantic elements among other things ended up on the cutting room floor to conserve time and make it a standard 2 hour movie.
My review which was not posted (surprise) (Score:1)
sorry, forgot to kill the H1 tags.
correction:
Negative
That said, The Matrix was not perfect. Item 1: Keanu Reeves. Why, God, why?
everything else seemed to be at least readable.
-l
Stop-Motion Pan (Score:1)
-l
good flick--but here's an interesting question... (Score:1)
The Taco vs The Katz. (Score:1)
I like Keanau Reeves. (Score:1)
However not recently. His very best part ever was in "The River's Edge".
Crispin Glover was great in that too.
Ken
You only pay $7 for a movie? You're lucky. . . (Score:1)
My wife and I went to see the matrix, which I loved and want to see again and paid:
So, we just did our bit for the economy
Reeves techno-films (Score:1)
Sometime between Johnny Memnonic and Neuromancer, Johnny gets killed, which is why Molly hooks up with Case.
Lawnmower man and a 3D game (Score:1)
Now, years down the line, we know what we are capable of. Did anyone look at the list of fx specialists in the credits? This movie was phenomenal, and will be talked about for years until its successor comes, which makes me wonder, what geek movie will we be watching in ten years?
Also, does anyone not see a direct relation between the gun scenes and Quake/Halflife/3d first-person shooter-type games? If someone develops a 3D version of the movie, it's going to be the next big thing -- first it was 3d (wolfenstein), then you could walk up stairs (quake), then aim up and down (duke3d), then you had true 3d characters (quake), and now true 3d sound (sin/unreal/the like). With a game based on the Matrix -- we now would have movement in 12 directions instead of merely 8 (think rotation). Not my cup o' tea, really, but it's a neat idea.
Go see it! (Score:1)
It has just the right amount of details
to enable suspension of disbelief.
The fight scenes had some good moments
I've not seen even in a Jackie movie
and the special effects were rather
good. The characters were also well
acted and you got a feel for their
personalities right away. Keanu's
slightly deadpan style acting was
perfect for the character he played.
btw, I also like Mnemonic,
so there , nyahh
Two hours well spent (for once!) (Score:1)
Bottom line: Go see this movie!
Keith Russell
Whatever happened to peaceful coexistance?
concerning Q1/A1 (SPOILERS) (Score:1)
Remember that real-world damage was caused by the mind's strong belief in the reality of the Matrix. Even skilled hackers, like Morpheus, could not suspend their belief enough to avoid getting hurt.
Neo was the One because he could "disbelieve." I think he was hurt by the virtual bullets, went into cardiac arrest, and was forced to disbelieve the effect of the bullets to survive. His success allowed him to cross the threshold to the next level of his abilities, allowing him to do things like "see" the Matrix, stop bullets in mid-air, and kill an Agent.
Of course, finding out he was destined to be with Trinity couldn't hurt!
Keith Russell
Whatever happened to peaceful coexistance?
Filmed in my home town - Sydney, Australia! (Score:1)
Anyway it was also filmed at our super duper new fox studios (about 20 mins from my house) where Star Wars 2 & 3 will also be filmed!!
Story on the camera fx in this month's "Shoot" mag (Score:1)
Some of the sequences were shot at several hundred frames per second so they could be slowed down. While this is not unusual with still cameras and subjects, for most of it it involved dozens or hundreds of camersa in an array around the actors, with the cameras streaming.
The tricky part is hiding the cameras so you don't see them. What they did was film the action sequences in front of blue screens with holes cut in them for the lens (the lens hole could be painted out during compositing). Later the action sequences were composited onto the complex's shrapnel-filled lobby. VERY well done.
I had my doubts at first about the movie, but it's very well done. MUCH better than recent hokey stuff like Lost in Space (blech!).
They didn't even insult us technology types by using a web page interface to hack into the matrix. god I HATE when Hollywood dumbs down movies lower than an AOL user...
Rent City of Lost Children (Score:1)
Roger and HAL (Score:1)
Damn fun movie (Score:2)
The Matrix is one of the most fun movies I've seen in a theater in the past several years. I agree pretty much wholeheartedly with Rob's and Jon's reviews.
I'd also like to note that it had a lot of similarities to Dark City, another movie I enjoyed a great deal. Not that this is a bad thing.
When I saw it, it had a trailer for a movie called The 13th Floor, which has a similar, and likewise interesting concept to The Matrix and Dark City, but looks like it's not carried off nearly as well--an interesting juxtaposition.
My only comment... (Score:1)
It's a VERY good movie. No reviewer can do it justice, and quite frankly, if you didn't go into like I did (I completely ignored everything about the movie but the trailer) you've got a preconceived notin or two that will *quickly* go away.
As for our most Excellent Star...
He can't help himself. I guess he figures better a plastic man than being cast as Ted for the rest of his life. Although Ted always slips out one way or another...
The good the bad & the ugly (Score:1)
Are *you* paying attention? (SPOILER WARNING!) (Score:1)
I looked at Neo's ability as being able to re-program the Matrix at will, which goes beyond the other Resistance fighters being able to "bend the rules" (i.e. exploit bugs).
BTW: I loved the cartoony crash landing of Neo's in the jump program. In case you haven't seen it and want to know: Neo tries follow Morpheus jumping between two skyscrapers. He doesn't make it and hits the street. But since this is only training, the street stretches like a big net, flings him up again, then he finally crashes to the (now solid) asphault.
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Chris Nye cnye@spamgegone.home.com
Do the obvious to email
Programming is an art form that fights back.
OMFG!!!!!!!!!! (Score:1)
I took my little brother to see this one last night. After the credits rolled I looked down and found myelf sitting in a puddle of drool!
My brother had it right. The movie's a mind fuck!
What I especially liked were the way some of the effects were worked around the philosophy.
How Cypher looked at encoded data and, as he put it, "Only see's blond...brunette...redhead..."
Then you have Neo, at the end of the movie, looking at the agents and seeing data constructs.
EXTREMELY GOOD MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
uh .. suspension of disbelief is the point (Score:1)
I'd say that the movie was full of holes and silliness, but it doesn't matter; most action movies are (and yes, it was an action movie). They did a great job at suspending disbelief in this case, you hardly had time to think about whether the plot was credible or not.
BTW, humans have mused about the "brain in a vat controlled by evil aliens" theory since Descartes. I'm just a little surprised no one's made a good movie about it until now (no Dark City was horrible).
Not really Sci-fi - it's balls to the wall action (Score:1)
It's more of an action film, but it has sci-fi elements. It just didn't take the ai-human thing very far. That, to me, was to only real flaw in this movie. They present you with this horrible circumstance, present it in a terrifying way, then they just blow the whole theme off. As if to say, "Oh, I can't deal with this - fuck it, let's just have some fun". Well, it was fun, but it didn't really have anything intelligent to say.
Oh, and does anyone else think sci-fi has really sucked lately (ike the last ten years or so)? Look what they did to Starship Troopers. Sphere was unbvelieveably bad (a blatant rip-off of Solaris, which is a great movie) as are all the recent Crighton crap.
The only sci-fi movie I've ever seen that managed to be both brilliant and dizzyingly action packed at the same time was Robocop. The Matrix just didn't cut it.
But it was great to see Larry Fishburne in a good movie, he is a great actor, and has been in some real duds lately (remember Event Horizon - more horrible sci-fi). As good as Keanu Reeves is bad. And boy, Keanu Reeves is bad. But he did OK here, due mainly I suspect to competent direction and keeping his part of the script under 150 words, total (did anyone count?).
it didn't? where then? (Score:1)
Of course we all know that Descartes was completely wrong, and that he stole the idea from Al Gore (when time traveling) anyway, who is controlled by Venusians led by Elvis.
FreeBSD used for the FX... (Score:1)
Just a little FreeBSD horn blowing... A farm of dual processor FreeBSD boxes was used for the rendering of the the comupter graphics effects, much like the Linux farm used for Titanic. No details for now, but there should be a link somewhere soon.
-Jeremy
You paid $7.50? (Score:1)
(Yes, I'm originally from Michigan...)
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Roger Ebert 3 stars (of 4) (Score:1)
Ebert loves *artsy* sci-fi (Score:1)
(After I posted, I did recall that he did give Dark City 4/4 stars, so I will concede that there is a certain type of sci-fi film that he likes). However, is 2001, a film from the 60s, an accurate representation of contemporary sci-fi? I still fall asleep during it...(might just be the classical music!)
The Matrix = Dark City.....? (Score:1)
I went and saw The Matrix last night, and all I could think about was how incredibly similar it was to Dark City, a movie which came out last year amidst the fury of Armageddon, Godzilla, etc and was not much noticed. Has anyone else seen Dark City? Essentially I think the equation representing The Matrix is: The Matrix = Dark City + Terminator + Hackers or reduced to 1x4 augmented matrix form [DC T H M]
Peter
Sounds like scriptwriter was reading Descartes (Score:2)
It's interesting how many of these technology-as-the-root-of-evil films come out of Hollywood. Are they merely mirroring our own fears of replacement/domination by machines?
Gnostic film. (Score:2)
Truman show is more of a Indo-Hellenic gnosticism - Truman, by dint of his own determination and overcoming his own fears, achieves total doubt and walks away from his world of illusion. The Matrix is more of a Christian Gnosticism - there is a messiah who is chartered with liberating all of us, and it is ultimately faith, rather than doubt, which saves, although doubt is still the conduit to salvation.
I suspect that there's some historical reason for the proliferation of the idea that our day-to-day experience is a lie, that our phenomenal experience is a malicious or mercenary construct. Perhaps it has to do with the "end of history;" without the oppositional tension of Communism, the only engine of public truth is American/Western media. The apparent victory of American capitalism is so absolute, that it seems to dominate the landscape of thought itself, and the only resistance is doubt.
The Omega Point, A Singularity, & Another Review (Score:2)
Normally I don't mind these Katz vs Taco review fests, but honestly, I think mine was better than either and gave away less important detail. Yer too fluffy, Taco - throw some substance in. We're not reading a review to have everything glossed over like that... Katz has ya beat here. ;)
But while I'm posting: Hey, JonKatz! The technological runaway you describe is not an Omega Point, it's a Singularity, a point at which our current models of technological progress cease to apply. And that occurs once a posthuman/superhuman intelligence is created, not just an artificial one. I wish they'd hashed that out slightly more in the film.
For clarification: The Omega Point is a concept debuted by Frank Tipler in his book The Physics of Immortality [amazon.com]: He claims that at the end of the Universe, during the Big Crunch, there will be an Omega Point at which time all that the Universe has ever experienced will exist once more, and all the consciousnesses that ever graced the Earth will once again be active. I think he's a crock.
Vernor Vinge was the first to really express the Singulairty concept well. This is the text of his thesis on the subject:
Right On (Score:2)
Even the martial arts were good ( I'm a second-degree black belt ), the fight director for this film has done scores of other movies, but I believe this was the first one not done in Asia.
Sci-Fi has been so bad lately, The Matrix is very much the exception. You won't be able to make it through without thinking over and over again, "Cool!"
The Matrix + Phantom Menace = SciFi's return? (Score:2)
Don't avoid it. Lots of us went to see it, and had to physically restrain ourselves from throwing things at the screen. Sharp things, with pointy ends.
Sci Fi movies lately have been terrible. Absolutely godawful. The Semi-Sci-Fi Enemy of the State was one of the notable "coulda been but wasn't" sci fi movies of late.
Thus, to be sitting half an hour into Matrix, have them reveal what the Matrix is to us, and to have a little light bulb go on in the back of my head that says "Damn! I wasn't expecting that!" was pure delight.
Between the Matrix, and the Phantom Menace (which, for the sake of argument, I'm going to pray to whatever gods exist in the place a long time ago and far, far away that it's as good as the original holy trilogy) perhaps we're now coming out of a long drought of palatable sci-fi/geek movies.
Examples? In order of their release: Disney's Inspector Gadget, Cronenburg's eXistenZ, Burton's Sleepy Hollow, and Disney's Fantasia 2000. Let's hope we've seen the last of Wing "Gosh I don't think I once saw anything resembling a worthwhile plot" Commander type movies.
The Matrix == Maya (Score:2)
1) the apocolyptic future (maya say world to end Dec 25, 2012)
2) the art (those robots remind me of sculptures of mayan gods)
3) the dual dependance that man and AI (gods) have on each other... man gives up his blood (in the form of heat) to feed the gods, while they are fed and thus provide man with a world to live in...
yes, allegorical, both literally and symbolically
/The Matrix/ Didn't Go Far Enough... (Score:2)
For me, the most disappointing part of the movie (don't get me wrong; the movie as a whole totally rocked. But.) was when Laurence said something to the effect of "You think that the year is 1999, when in reality, it's probably closer to 2199."
What I was kinda hoping for, and what woulda been very cool is if time as we know it didn't exist at all! Or... the world "as we know it" never existed.
That would mean that this whole thing is a total farce. That "we" (as humans) were not merely living out our collective past, but living out a total lie. Maybe "we" existed in some form that would be totally unrecognizable to a human.
When Neo first woke up in his little "bubble" with more such cells going on and on into infinity, I was totally freaked out. The thought that this could be the "real" universe, and all the universe had ever been, and all the universe would ever be, all but blew my mind.
When Morpheus explained that that was just the universe "now" (ie: the year 2199, or whatever), it was a big letdown.
Besides, if time also goes on inside the Matrix, then what happens when "matrix time" reaches the mid-21st century, or whenever the point is that the machines take over? Do we then have a Matrix inside the Matrix?
Hmmm... maybe the Matrix as we saw already was inside another Matrix... that would be cool!
(Oh... BTW: The best way to see it is on an IMAX screen...:-)
Anyway... just a bit of nonsensical rambling on my part... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
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- Sean
What is the Matrix? Tron 2: Electric Boogaloo. (Score:2)
David Foster Wallace has a great essay on the idea of special effects porn, which completely describes the Matrix.
How have special effects movies become like porn? Just subsitute F/X for intercourse. The plot is almost non-existant, and is only there to provide a sort of mental scaffolding on which to hang these sensuous, explosive payoff scenes -- the only reason you really go to see the movie in the first place.
Wallace says special effects porn started with Terminator 2, but I say it goes at least as far back as Disney's awful awful Tron, which was, in its own way, quite visually exciting. This movie is merely Tron v. 2.0 , updated with all the latest special effects patches. Unfortunately, the plot of the new version, like most new versions of software, is radically expanded without providing any new utility.
It's darn fun to watch -- it's porn, ain't it? -- but afterward, you might wonder what's wrong with the world, and why you're stuck with masturbation instead of a real relationship.