More Sony AIBOs On the Way 114
An anonymous reader wrote in to say that Sony is gonna release
10,000 more AIBOs onto the world.
Orders will be taken early next month. No available in Black or Silver with some other subtle changes and huge pricetag. Someone at Sony needs to send me a demo model dammit! I have one of the originals, these things are crazy: they actually age and mature like those tamagotchi things that were so popular awhile back. Course Hemos keeps punishing mine for no reason so I think mine is mentally stunted from having an abused childhood.
beowulf? (Score:2)
I'd just be impressed if it can chase it's tail, get the paper and pee on the rug, just like a real dog....
-Dan
Re:But how do they interact with your other pets? (Score:1)
Can you imagine what she would have done with a robot dog??
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Don't get these things......... (Score:1)
humping my leg. That thing would fry in the florida sun. I can't wait tell some one in Florida leaves one in their car.
Re:But how do they interact with your other pets? (Score:1)
Abuse? (Score:2)
For some reason, reading that sent my mind onto a semi-offtopic tangent, and it resulted in an interesting question. At what point can we consider it "abuse" to torture a machine? The Aibo, for example, can learn and adapt and is a (very very small) step towards intelligent home electronics. In 5, 10, or 20 more years we'll probably have computers and robotic pets/assistants with at least passable intelligence. If it's illegal to torture a dog, should it also be illegal to torture a piece of electronics as intelligent as a dog? Could we live to see a day when people could get prison terms for kicking their computers? Will it one day be considered murder to turn your gaming rig off? Will euthanasia be permitted for Windows machines?
I dunno, but it seems like an interesting conversational piece, and one I've never seen seriously discussed before. What do you guys think? Will computers ever have rights? Should computers ever have rights?
Swell (Score:1)
Differences between new and old Aibo (Score:1)
Did ERS-110 have the thermal sensor? A least I don't remember it being mentioned before?
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Re:Consumer toys *yawn* (Score:1)
Well, my time is actually fairly valuable, but a homebuilt robot is WELL worth it. I've built a few, believe it or not the price drops considerably when you use custom-fab parts instead of prebuilt stuff. 32-bit processor? $20 or less. I agree that 18 degrees of freedom is a lot, but for about $5 each you can get decent servos and steppers (surplus of course). I have a crate (literally) of old 5 1/4 drives lying around (parts and other reasons...)
And walking robots (even bipedal in fact) are not that bad if you know how to program (although, some AI (neural net mostly) knowledge helps).
I dunno, maybe most people find robots a LOT harder to build than I do. Anyways, that's the end of my lunchbreak ;)
Re:But how do they interact with your other pets? (Score:1)
Tranformers! (Score:1)
From Dog to Tank to R/C Airplane. That would be cool.
Re:Gee, no iAibo's (Score:1)
Re:Really (Score:1)
Is the iMac aimed at little kids? The new Beetle?
You're confusing cuteness with childishness, and especially in Japan, they're not at all equivalent.
No Way! (Score:1)
Those AIBO's are worthless. Why would I want a
mechanical dog with LEGS!? They need to fuse
his legs in a permanent stance and attach some
wheels so I can get him stuck in level sand or
kitchen tile. They should also add a water
dammage feature where you can just waggle his
tale for repairs. And of course, he HAS to at
least be able to say, "Affirmative Master!"
Where's AIBO's nose laser anyway?
Be Seeing You,
Jeffrey,
Who is holding out for news from John Leeson's
agent that he has been comissioned to do voice
work for a large Japanese Media Conglomerate...
Re:My mission... (Score:1)
Wouldn't that be a beowoof cluster
Honda Robot (Score:1)
Re:Consumer toys *yawn* (Score:2)
Personally, what _I_ want to get, is one of those Heathkit things from years ago. The ones with the arm on them. Forget the name now, but they were SO cool. (and a HELL of a lot less expensive).
Unless I miss my guess, this might even be enough to use "micro rocket thrusters" (forget the link now...) or similar (or a helium baloon!) and have a *FLYING* robot. Sorry, but the sci-fi-style flying black observer drones look SO much cooler.
Oh, the things I could do with $2500...
And of course, a homebuilt robot would run on opensource (not necessarily 100% on Linux, because of the multi-embedded-microcontrol systems in it, but developed on Linux certainly and maybe even with Linux on the main chip ;) Put a couple Crystal DSPs and an Intermetal MP3 decoder chip in it, mount a camera, and you would have yerself a robot to be proud of...
in the article (was Re:aibo Specs) (Score:1)
i guess someone has to say it...
these specs were in the article, its kinda annoying seeing it again RIGHT after i read the article...
so i'm not sure why it got moderated up...doesn't anybody read the article anymore?
sorry...i stop ranting and return to waves homework... =)
Really (Score:1)
Sony *should* target serious enthuisiests with $$$, and cut the cutesy crap.
Why do the dogs communicate only via beeps? Voice-recognition technology is getting quite reasonable, and besides, how good does it need to be for a dog? My stupid furby at least used words (even if they weren't English).
r
Re:Really (Score:1)
Yeah, yeah... it's late
Re:My mission... (Score:1)
Half dozen?
Pack?
I guess one would call that a Beowolf cluster.
Re:My mission... (Score:1)
I suppose I should prepare to see my Karma sucked away now. (Score: -1, Bad Pun)
Ah well, it was fun while it lasted!
Christopher Kalos
Re:rob bought one? (Score:1)
geach
Re:Abuse? (Score:1)
This is one example of the matter being discussed.
Re:AIBO and Honda (Score:1)
Re:Abuse? (Score:1)
Here's another way to look at it. Let's say we built a computer with an expandable and reprogrammable neural net, and we gave the computer the ability to redesign and optomize the NN as it saw fit (this is currently being researched, btw). Now lets say that after a few years the computer became highly intelligent, self aware, and self reasoning (sentience). It would be entirely conceivable that we could build a computer that was more intelligent than we are by using this method. If this were the case, the military would probably end up being interested in it. So suppose the military gave the computer an idea for a theoretical weapon and asked it to design it, and after a minute the computer realized that such a weapon was possible, but that building it could have a devastating effect on mankind. If the computer refused to give us the design, would we have the right to "force" the design out of it? Or would the computer, sentient and intelligent, have a right to make it's own choices?
I know this is quite a "what if?" scenario, but if technology keeps advancing at its current pace we could be facing issues like these sooner than we think. I feel that we should be addressing these questions before we reach that point, rather than waiting until it becomes a problem. Then again, maybe this is too off-topic in a discussion about a robotic dog
how about graphics???? (Score:1)
Battlestar Galactica? (Score:1)
What was the name fo that critter...Dagget? Something like that.
Except the one is BG could defend...I want an AIBO that will attack...put a pepper spray device in the head and order it to guard the dor until it hears the owners voice to tell it to stand down. Hell my iMac has voice reconition now for logging in...why not a AIBO?
Re:Nor are there any offered in Australia (Score:1)
I did notice that, but the presenter (Channel 9 this was) said before they ran the piece that they would be available "here". I guess she was just misinformed.. I woulnd't be surprised, those news people usually aren't too savvy when it comes to tech stuff :)
well.... (Score:1)
Re:Abuse? (Score:1)
My personal feelings on the rights of animals, electronics and humans are quite simple. If the being is self-aware I don't think they should be killed. The exception to this are cows and chickens...because I like to eat them, I don't kill them...I leave that up to someonelse...except for the time I capped the cow with the
Ummm Tacos...
Re:Consumer toys *yawn* (Score:1)
$2500 is cheap when you see what's in an Aibo. Walking robots are very hard work, especially small, light and agile ones.
If you're interested in DIY robots, take a look at RobotWars. Major technology, homebrew construction and technical carnage. I don't know a serious team [teamdelta.com] though that hasn't needed close to a $2500 budget, even buying much as scrap and not accounting for time.
Abuse??? (Score:1)
Re:AIBO and Honda (Score:1)
The name Sony itself is derived from a latin root for sound. They do indeed seem to create a sense of meaning in their choice of names.
Re:Nor are there any offered in Australia (Score:1)
Gee, no iAibo's (Score:4)
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AIBO's are the coolest thing ever. (Score:1)
but when the first models were released and I saw the footage of
how they move, I almost died. They're so lifelike it's creepy...
AIBO would be great for me, AIBO = Pet - Allergic Reaction.
I just remembered/imagined something (Score:1)
was saying that you could re-arrange his limbs to
make him more like a monkey in appearance than
a dog... Am I imagining this?
The idea of a modular pet is somewhat alluring and repulsive at the same time...
Popularity of AIBOs (Score:2)
Admittedly, I've never personally used/tried/whatevered an AIBO, but from what I understand about them it just isn't clear to me why anyone would want to spend money on something like that. Then it occured to me that perhaps the appeal in these "electronic companions" was in their simulated companionship. Sure, they can be a nuisance. But then again, so can normal friends/companions!
Perhaps that's where the appeal generated by these things is coming from, perhaps not. Just my 2 * 10^-2 dollars worth.
So expensive! (Score:1)
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to wait 10 more years...
More Info: http://www.world.sony.com/aibo (Score:2)
$2500 with limited quantities available! (Score:1)
Hmm i guess Sony does not want to go with the good old "economies of scale" approach! Guess that would just not make sense!!!!
well at that price i can just maybe hope to see one.... much less own one! Hey maybe someone will reverse engineer the technology, change it to get away with patent problems and mass-produce! and have the code be open-source of course!
I cant wait till we can get these kind of things with lego parts! the possibilities would be endless! childhood here i come!!!
aibo Specs (Score:3)
CPU 64-bit RISC processor
Main Memory 16MB
Program Memory 8MB Memory Stick(TM) (accessory)
Moving Parts Mouth: 1 degree-of-freedom Head: 3 degrees-of-freedom Legs: 3 degrees-of-freedom(x 4) Tail: 2 degrees-of-freedom Total: 18
Video Input 180,000 pixel color CCD camera (x 1) Head
Audio Input Stereo microphone(one on each side) Head
Internal Audio Output Speaker (x 1)Head
Sensors Heat Detector Heat sensor (x 2) Torso Range Finder Infra-red range finding sensor (x 1)Head
Acceleration Detector Spatial acceleration sensor (x 1) Torso
Rotation Detector Angular velocity sensor (x 1) Torso
Contact Detectors Touch sensor (x 1), switch (x4)Head, Legs
Power Source DC7.2V (Lithium ion battery)
Power Consumption 12.6W (autonomous mode)
Operating Time Approx. 1.5 hours (using fully charged battery)
Dimensions l x w x h Approx. 274 x 156 x 266mm (not including tail)
Weight About 1.4kg (body only) About 1.6kg (Including Memory Stick media and battery)
(ERF-511) "AIBO Performer Kit" Main Features
Motion Editing Functions 1) Exchange of motions (3 Types) 2) Editing of motions 3) Creation of original motions
Simulation Functions 1) Ensure compliance with angular limitations of limbs 2) Confirm non-collision of moving parts 3) Check speed of moving parts
Others Timeline editing function, Memory Stick data check, etc.
-------------------------------------- (ERF-511) "AIBO Performer Kit" System Requirements
Computing Platform IBM PC/AT compatible or NEC PC98-NX Series
CPU Pentium®200Mhz equivalent or above
OS Windows®95 or Windows®98
Memory 32MB or greater
PC Card Slot Type II PC card
Display Mode 800x600 resolution or greater
Display Color Capability 16-bit High color or greater
Other CD-ROM drive (for Installation)
Available in Japanese, English, French, and German
New AIBO colors (Score:1)
better. I think the new black one is ugly.
I hope I don't get branded a racist or something
for saying that
Available in Black and Silver? (Score:1)
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rob bought one? (Score:1)
Aibo..Questuons and Comments (Score:1)
I work for them for godsakes and couldn't get one last time (this time it looks more probable, hopefully with the employee discount too!) What does everyone think the technology will plateau (or will it scale like pc's) What about cooperative learning/teaching? Silver or Black (there some asthetically pleasing about that sony color scheme)? Why don't they do freeware programming and standard connections (serial etc) and let everyone create behaviors!?!?
My mission... (Score:2)
Heathkit 'Bots (Score:1)
now, but they were SO cool. (and a HELL of a lot less expensive).
I think that would be the Hero series...There's a FAQ here [employees.org].
--Kevin
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Oops! (Score:1)
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Re:AIBO and Honda (Score:1)
From the FAQ...
Q: How did AIBO get its name?
A:The first two letters of AIBO stand for Artificial Intelligence. Since it has
eyes, you can also think of it as an eye-bo(t). Finally, AIBO is also named after
the Japanese word for "pal."
But how do they interact with your other pets? (Score:1)
More Info on Sony's Dogs (Score:2)
Re:Consumer toys *yawn* (Score:1)
Seriously, how many robots that size have 18 degrees of freedom? Ever built a walking robot?
I've built simple platforms using surplus wheelchair motors, a basic unit is at least $1000 in parts alone. This does not include the 32bit processor, video system and 16 other degrees of freedom. Now maybe if your parts are mostly free..
Anyway, I think Sony is taking a big loss on these just to establish a consumer market. Some prices on other 'hobby' robots...
The Rug warrior kit is $600 complete, it's a little (4") 2 wheel platform with a 68HC11 CPU w/ 32K ram.
The Lynxmotion hexapod is $375, but it only has a PIC for the CPU. Hexapods dont sit up and beg though...
The Carebot is about $2500, but it doesn't compare. It's a big 2 wheel platform with a Sonar and RF link. It uses auto window lift motors to drive the wheels.
Video Audio Input Output (Score:1)
Not only does the acronym fit the function and purpose of the Vaio machines, the symbol represents the convergence of analog (VA - wavy) and digital (IO - one and zero).
Spike, Tom and Jerry (Score:2)
There has already been a very popular robot dog.
The cat responds with a purr when it is stroked and will not scratch or bite.
Just what I need... An electronic dog, cat, and mouse racing around my house.
Re: modular pet (Score:1)
1. make many modules for a modular reconfigurable robot
2. form them into a snake becasue the power supply takes both arms to carry and needs to be plugged into a wall
3. use robot as pet snake (worn around shoulders/neck for transport)
sure, I got some odd looks, but this was PARC -- people just wanted to play with it
Lea
Re:Only a matter of time.... (Score:1)
Tapper: Your Aibo runs around serving beers to your poker/football buddies. If he does not do it fast enough, they beat him senseless.
Mr. Doo's wild Ride: Your Aibo heads to Six Flags, where it runs rampant on the roller coasters. Any beings it encounters in the course of these travels is whacked with a hammer.
Rampage: Aibo heads for downtown Detroit to destroy buildings. After getting there, it leaves, realizing it is too late.
Robotron: Odd sounds that disturbingly resemble "Kill the humanoid" issue from it's speakers. Aibo gains the ability to walk and aim in different directions.
Well, you get the idea
Re:New AIBO colors (Score:2)
You mean, "The Maple Leaf State"? (Score:1)
Nor are there any offered in Australia (Score:1)
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Only a matter of time.... (Score:1)
Linux port? (Score:1)
Then we could program it sort of like LEGO Mindstorms. What it really needs, though, is wireless networking, so you can save what it sees and hears, or have it play arbitrary sounds. Talk about a portable MP3 player!
Bill Gates Tamigatchi? (Score:5)
Then you have the RMSiatchi... it doesn't need to be fed. Instead it harvests the collective IQ of computer geeks everywhere and syntesizes food out of ambient light. Unfortunately it won't stop beeping at you and insisting that "I'm not open source, I'm FREE I tell you! FREEeeeeeeee!" It may also occasionally bust a beat and start singing.
Lastly you have Robiatchi. It likes to drink beer. Lots of beer. Then it writes funny symbols across the screen. Half the time it writes them really slow, and half the time really fast. Sometimes Robiatchi becomes non-responsive for several minutes. Don't worry though - it's growing quickly and will get out of this mode. Someday.
=)
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AIBO and Honda (Score:2)
And on a slightly related topic, did anyone see the bipedal robot that Honda spent billions developing a few years back? It's amazing. It can navigate around any normal environment (a house or apartment) and can also climb up and down stairs.
It was almost a little eery seeing it doing that in its approximation of human form.
Maybe I should get a Honda robot, and get IT an AIBO? :-)
If no you haven't see the Honda robot, here is a little blurb on it:
http://www.poli.studenti.to.it/~s76133/robotica/hh ri.htm
And what's with this Sony naming convention? AIBO? VAIO? What does it all mean?
Re:hi (Score:1)
I have cheetos cheese on my mouse.
Oh Great! (Score:1)
Re:My mission... (Score:2)
Sorry, somebody had to do it, and this seemed the appropriate place.
Fear! My beowulf cluster of aibos will hunt you down and analyse your DNA.
Re:Nor are there any offered in Australia (Score:1)
I saw something on the morning news like 2 days ago about the AIBO. They showed a real dog trying to play with one and then giving up. Hehe. They showed it cocking up one leg and looking like it was peeing on something, that was amusing too.. it should spray out battery acid or something instead, for realism.
I'm sure they implied that they would be available to Australian buyers this time? (They mentioned Sony will be selling them over the Internet).
Anyhoo.. can't afford one anyway :) Just bought a laptop which is about the same price but just a little more useful.
My plan is coming together... (Score:1)
Re:Nor are there any offered in Australia (Score:1)
Re:Just what we all need (Score:1)
Don't buy the hype, this isn't a low-priced residential robot, its a high-priced residential robot toy. And it doesn't even turn into a robot.
AIBO, it is a good thing to hear. (Score:2)
Re:New AIBO colors (Score:1)
Also, you're worse than Hitler
Re:My mission... (Score:1)
(now we need robot bees)
This will beat the crap out of RealDoll (Score:1)
Dear AIBO dev team (Score:3)
Slobber: you have to make some slobber shoot out of the CCD camera hole. Something a little big filtheir than drinking water and make sure it gets everywhere. I recommend making it suck and shoot toilet water as it is almost as germ ridden as dog saliva.
Loud incessant annoying barking: these things are too quiet. It makes a rabbit seem loud. Make it bark at neighbors, family, other pets, and sometimes nothing at all.
Poop instinct: I know it won't produce poop, but you could at least make it search out the poop of other animals and then roll in it when it finds it.
Dig: Being a robotic dog, it should bury your needed electronics. Things like keyboards, remotes, backup tapes, laptops, etc.
Staring: Bored dogs love to stare at crap, sometimes ever your neighbors. Why not let it broadcast its CCD output to TV channel 4 so I can watch that cute blonde. "Oh hi little dog!"
Smell: Personaly I can't believe you guys are making much effort without even trying to make it fart. Show me a dog that doesn't fart and I'll show you roadkill.
Chew: I know it doesn't have a mouth but you could at least make a garbage disposal interface so he can drop stuff in there.
Jealousy Instinct: It would be kinda cute to watch it try to kill your children.
Mating: Just as cute to watch it mount the toaster.
Anti-Mailman program: except make my AIBO shoot mace at HIM.
If you follow my suggestions you'll have either an incredible best-seller or a few thousand terrible lawsuits.
Re:Nor are there any offered in Australia (Score:1)
Did Rob say that he has one of the original batch? That boy has too much money. He needs to do something outragous, like buy a case of beer for everyone that GPLs thier code. Maybe challenge Bill Gates to an arm wrestling match to establish OS superiority.
-ODB Jr.
Re:My mission... (Score:1)
Just what we all need (Score:1)
I can think of no practical reason to get one of these things, which means that I will need one even more. But, the real question is what happens when your AIBO breaks? I just couldn't chuck something like that into the trash. I mean I've still got a working and sort of productive 8086 for Pete's sake. I'm starting to get feelings for my SyJet. Now SONY builds something that purposefully plays on my softer spots for neato machines. For shame!
In truth though, nothing compares to an actual animal you rescued from the local shelter. Plus, there's no registration cards to return.
Aibo wa inu desu ka? (Score:1)
AI method (Score:1)
After hearing that this thing actually learns, I'm guessing it uses some type of neural network.
Can anyone explain exactly _what_ this dog learns, and how well it learns it? I'd love to read some technical papers discussing what makes this thing "tick".
Maybe we could teach it to solve the TSP from constantly taking it on walks