Watching DVDs in Linux HOWTO 398
IceFox writes "Last week CSS Disk encryption was cracked. Soon after the data encryption was cracked. With some hagling I got everything working and was able to watch DVDs in Linux. Sound, Video, the works. I wrote up a how to for anyone else that cares to do it." Its not quite ready for prime time. No sound and vid at the same time. Update by roblimo: Jens Axboe sent a link to his page, which contains additional Linux/DVD info.
Re:You're making the same mistake. (Score:1)
But we aren't talking about theft, we are talking about duplication.
Missing the point (Score:3)
So just to state the obvious, copy to your hearts content, just don't expect the same quality as the origional
Re:1984 Doubletalk (Score:1)
Today, an author who is not interested in making money off his work can just put it up on a web page, and let people read it for free. Of course, this make it inaccessible to those who don't use the net, and it is also harder to get people to notice it. The average bookstore probably has only a few thousand titles, often organised in sections, whereas there are hundreds of millions of web pages, and they're almost completely unorganised.
DTCP crypto evilness: boxes can be locked out! (Score:1)
Some companies (seemingly led by Sony) have come up with an even more evil scheme called DTCP. In DTCP, each box has its own key (and for software, presumably each computer might get its own key), and The Bad Guys(tm) circulate a blacklist of keys that have been compromised. If a blacklisted system tries to talk to another system, it will be denied. This means they can lock out VCRs and individual copies of the software remotely.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
A) Get your widgets! $20
B) $2
A) $20.
B) $10.
A) $20.
B) Forget it, I have options. I'll not listen to it or I'll go copy it. At least when I copy it, I do get to know the artist and if I really enjoy it will likely subsequently buy further articles, and I get the enjoyment of actually getting the entertainment. Both sides benefit, to a certain degree. Not monetarily, perhaps. But money isn't everything.
And you're quite correct about the voluntary payment. That model has been proven to hardly ever work, but then, one might argue that it's never been implemented properly, either. :)
Re:Hardware Decoders... (Score:1)
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
That's really beside the point. You are being offered a license to view a movie for a price. Entertainment isn't guaranteed. If that is too risky a proposition, you need not pay. You may find alternative entertainment. If you view the movie without paying, you have comitted theft, have you not?
Re:I know I am Offtopic... (Score:1)
No point in buying a DVD unless you're going to watch it properly, not on some dinky 15" monitor with crappy PC speakers
(yes, I know some people have ungodly sized monitors, and a rarer few have a good quality sound system hooked up to their puter...).
Re:You're making the same mistake. (Score:1)
Re:Hardware Decoders... (Score:1)
Re:DVD = Damned Video Decoding (Score:5)
If the disc were buggy all of the players would exibit the same problems. Seeing how one thing is broken on one player, while another is broken on another indicates (to me) the player is broken in these instances.
For what it's worth the Panasonic A-110 is one of the few players I've seen that play it properly.
I'm still impressed that they used every last byte that the disc could hold... all 4.3gigs
Re:Reasons not to use Linux (Score:1)
22. Decent webbrowser (yes had to say it again)
23. Visual Studio, and other COMPLETE RAD and IDEs.
24. A decent API for install and settings. Huge *rc files and XF86Config files are lame compared to a centralized registry IMHO. Even corba etc needs one.
25. GUI that doesn't crash as much as XFree.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
In case someone wants to say "but what if everyone did that": that's irrelevant. Whether I pay for my entertainment or not does not have an effect on whether other people do so. That, plus the fact that my contribution has negligible effect on the industry, makes that argument irrelevant.
Personally, I see no problem in copying things without paying the authors. However, if you appreciate what they produce, it is a good idea to give them money for it, so they can continue doing it. Also it is a way of showing your gratitude, though that can be done without paying money. Additionally, if other people see that those artists get money for what they do, they might be willing to try themselves. But that doesn't make it a moral imperative to pay. People may disagree with this, but that doesn't make them right. The fact that copyright infringement is illegal doesn't make it morally wrong, either, just illegal. There is no such thing as absolute morals.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
Does this work with SCSI DVDROM's? (Score:1)
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
I was wondering when you'd get around to saying that you are only playing Devil's Advocate!
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
But that's external to the arguments at hand. If I buy a license to get a movie, I should not have to pay until after I have seen the movie. Entertainment is not guaranteed, so why should my money be guaranteed? And it seems inappropriate to boycott the movie industry when I can vindicate my arguments by inflicting copyright infringement upon them.
Which, I might add, does give them exposure of actors, advertisements, directors, etc., to which I might later on be biased towards or against. And as such, they have gained something by me watching their film.
Re:Reasons not to use Linux (Score:1)
27. Various job-essential proprietary software packages designed to work exclusively w/ any one of m$'s office titles. (i.e. Access)
I expect to see more "portability" w/ improvements to wine and vmware...
Here's to the future and os stability!
Re:Reasons not to use Linux (Score:3)
We have lots of complete IDEs. RAD tools aren't that common, but IMHO they suck anyway. Xemacs is a great IDE. Then there are KDevelop, Code Crusader, CodeWarrior, GNUpro, xwpe, RHIDE, and probably a lot of other things that I don't recall at the moment. Exactly what is it that Visual Studio has that these are missing, beyond GUI builders?
As for configuration, why do we need a registry? A registry is in no way necessary for GUI config tools, so that's not an argument.
A more stable XFree86 would be nice, but given that it has crashed 4 times in 5 years for me, it's not that huge an issue. And with a bit of luck, XFree86 4 might be more stable.
A decent web browser we definitely need. And I think Mozilla will provide us with one, though it's a while till that's finished.
Re:Reasons not to use Linux (Score:1)
Buy one in California (Score:1)
Re:Sound and Video (Score:1)
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
When you justify theft of IP with "that's life", consider that others would justify their theft of all your worldly possessions with the same argumet. Is their argument valid? In an a society without ethics, yes. But in an ethical society, both arguments are invalid.
Re:Minimum specs for sound/video? (Score:1)
This is going to get faster, real soon. (Score:3)
From what I've heard, the decoder doesn't support the YUV conversion stuff in many modern graphics cards yet. So the code is pretty fast, for not-really-optimized C. So when the Xfree86 people come up with an extension to support hardware-based YUV conversion, things are going to get lots better with any format that requires a YUV conversion pass to play.
And by the way, you can pretty much forget about $free{"beer"} decoder card software; from what I've heard, the DVD license comes on a per-developer fee and a hefty NDA. Which means that even if Creative wanted, they couldn't release any critical parts of the DVD "standard", even if the cat is already out of the basket.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
Re: mfrs *CAN'T* be locked out! (Score:5)
1) 2^^16 attack on the CSS cipher itself Requiring 6 known plaintext bytes [openprojects.net]
2) A 2^^17 attack on the key generation, that will yield a deluge of player keys in a matter of minutes ( such as the randum nubers ). read here [openprojects.net]
3) Finaly A third crack that will decrypt a DVD without even knowing a single player key. This attack [openprojects.net] is more complex (2^^24)but will give a valid key in less than 20 seconds on a decent machine.
In short the CSS system was poorly designed, and has now been thuroughly been demolished.
1984 Doubletalk (Score:1)
BTW, have you noticed that the way they get people to talk is fascinatingly doublespeak.
Freedom is Slavery, Duplication is Theft, Words are Property.
it's a start... (Score:1)
Great job people! Thanks a lot!
Rare Few (?) (Score:1)
yes, I know some people have ungodly sized monitors, and a rarer few have a good quality sound system hooked up to their puter...
Man, 15 inches is very small these days. I'm a rather poor college kid and even I was able to fork over the $500 for a 19" monitor and good sound (120 watt (?) boston acustics speakers and sub-woofer) I think this is much more common these days, then a crappy 13"/15" monitor and sb16.
Re:Reasons not to use Linux (Score:1)
Minimum specs for sound/video? (Score:1)
David
ripping (Score:2)
Re:Whoa boy... (Score:1)
Is it theft, if I steal it and you have nothing less?
I believe that the good movies are not there to make money, and the satisfaction that their movies are appreciated would justify their work.
This says nothing about movies produced to make money, however.
Actually, you can... (Score:4)
This is just because the code at this point is not optimized. It will be soon, since a large chunk of the interested geek communities (sound & video geeks + computer nerds) overlap...
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
Why should payment be viewed as a donation? In what way is paying someone for their product any type of an option? And even stranger, why should it be legal? What legal ground is there for allowing copyright infringement??
Why is IP such an abomination? If you had your way, people would never get compensated for their effort. That's completely bogus -- In such a world where IP doesn't exist, what motivation is there for producing content?
Your suggestion that the entire industry disappear is just plain ignorant. You obviously enjoy what the industry creates, otherwise you wouldn't even bother pirating it. What you proposing would wipe out an entire artform that you yourself find appealing. All because you had to be selfish.
Imagine if that happened in the art world. Art is one of the most cherished and fundamental expressions of our culture. Artwork is considered intellectual property. By your statements, it would be okay with you if the entire industry of art disappeared, all because they weren't willing to give away their property for free.
Grow up. You can't have everything for free. There are time when payment is due - people work hard and deserve to be compensated for their time.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
min. specs (Score:1)
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Linux user: if (nt == unstable) { switchTo.linux() }
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:1)
Any ethical arguement for IP can be dismissed as easily as an ethical arguement against it; the same applies to any ethical arguement for following an unjust law.
Surfing the net and other cliches...
Re:Project list (Score:3)
I seem to recall that a QT/AVI player on the Amiga had a radius cinepak decoder and a CYUV decoder, in source. Although the formats that people would most desire are still the intel indeos... Yes, there are the xanim linkable files, but reverse engineering ain't fun.
I'd hack the SDLmpeg code myself to do this, if I knew something about the VCD format :-) After all, it's all in the headers, right? MpegTV (an evil capitalist piece of proprietary chicken poo) does this just by parsing the headers and separating the audio/video stream, IIRC.
Uhh... Realaudio sucks, compared to an equal bitrate (equal hz, too) LAME-encoded mp3 stream. IMO of course.
Sonic Foundry and the One Microsoft Way (Score:2)
Not sure whether MS owns a large chunk of Sonic Foundry, though I'd say it's not unlikely. This does look rather like an offensive to make Windows systems required equipment for music, much in the same way that Avid's dumping of QuickTime (under coercion by Microsoft) was designed to capture the video editing market.
Re:HDTV DVDs - The next problem in 4~6 years... (Score:5)
Cut & Paste does not "work great" (Score:4)
Now, I've finally found a working url to q3test 1.08. I've used "copy link location" in Netscape's rmb menu to get the url into the clipboard and I'm going to paste it into a wget command line. Now, I'm going to be doing some X development and I'm afraid I'm going to crash X so I'll need to run wget under nohup in an xterm or in the console. I want to watch the download progress so I'll do it in the console. CTRL-ALT-F3, type "wget ", middle click. What happens? Some shit I selected in the console earlier and contains a load of newlines is pasted, causing wget to try download some garbage and the string "rm -rf /" (that happened to be leftmost on the screen in the garbage I had pasted earlier (presumably a copy of some haX0r digest)) to be executed as a command.
Fortunately I'm not one of those lesser beings that do everything as root.
Incidentally, the reason I'd selected that block of text is that I wanted to paste it into jed, running in another console. Guess what. That didn't work either!
BTW, what are the universal cut, copy, and paste keypresses that work in almost all programs, X or console? What is the ubiquitous method of selecting text with the keyboard?
"Cut and paste works great here w/ all apps... select w/ left mouse button and paste w/ the middle one" is an example of what we pride ourselves of not doing: sweeping problems under the rug instead of fixing them.
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Re:Missing the point (Score:2)
Re:Hardware Decoders... (Score:5)
1- Take that $50 you'll spend on a decoder and put it towards a faster CPU. It'll not only let you do DVD with less of a strain on the system, it'll speed up everything else.
2- Software decoders can be free.
3- Software decoders can be upgraded.
4- Software decoders can be portable across platforms.
5- Hardware takes up space, even a single chip is precious in the land of tiny laptops.
The only reason hardware decoders exist now is because CPU's weren't *quite* able to keep up. Now they are.
Some things need to have special-purpose hardware, like 3D video cards. DVDs do not. The frame rate won't ever need to increase. The resolution will stay the same.
I read about it... (Score:3)
Hey, we're just trying to view purchaced movies (Score:4)
I wish the record/movie industry would learn.
COPY PROTECTION IS ONLY ANNOYING.
Dual cassette recorders didn't kill music.
Two VCR's didn't kill movies.
MP3's won't kill CD's(yet).
Though all these probably do serve to keep the industry more honest in pricing.
And BTW, I do have unencrypted DVD's. I'm not copying those or posting them on the web either.
There's more issuses that prevent this:
Download/upload time, HD space
Honesty
Re:DVD = Damned Video Decoding (Score:2)
This is untrue. It is a plain and simple fact that the Matrix is incorrectly authored - it does not comply to the DVD-Video specification.
The reason different players work differently (or not at all) is simply because they are different! Depending on the memory representations of the DVD's data structures that a player uses, the amount it verifies that the data on the DVD conforms to spec and the amount of work done by the player to work around broken discs such as the Matrix are what make the players behave differently.
After all - just look at HTML. One single broken HTML page will display differently in different browsers - this isn't because the browsers are broken, but just because they react differently to the broken HTML. (The fact that they also react differently to non-broken HTML is beside the point here:-) This principle is exactly the same with broken DVDs such as The Matrix.
P.S. I work for a DVD player company. Our players didn't always play The Matrix quite right, so we had to put hacks into our code to work around the DVD authoring bugs.
A colleague of mine once attended a DVD show where the CEO/similar of the authoring house in question was saying how amazing they were and how they tested with every player known to man. It's pretty obvious he's full of sh*t - just look at all the problems The Matrix has! He didn't get quite such a good reception at a recent conference he talked at after this fiasco!
Re:Hardware Decoders... (Score:2)
Not so. (Score:2)
Pioneer 10x are hardware region locked (Score:2)
Re:Probably illegal what these kids are doing (Score:2)
You're making the same mistake. (Score:5)
The telephone obsoleted the telegraph. Many people lost their jobs, many telegraph companies lost their only source of money. Do we still lament their passing?
JUST BECAUSE the current distribution methods of media won't give the CURRENT POWERS their money in the future. doesn't mean that there won't be alternatives in the future.
So what if the era 100-million-dollar movie ends? So what if the era of MGM or Paramount or Disney as film companies ends? So what if the era of the railroads ended? So what if the era of the Telegraph ended? As long as there is demand, there will be a replacement. Its safe to say that there will always be a demand for entertainment.
``I propose that to save the critically important telegraph industry we must make it illegal to transmit voice electronically over any wire.''
Or how about:
``I propose that to save the critically important post office, we must make it illegal to transmit any message electronically over a wire domestically.''
``I propose that we immediately discount that new foolish idea that some legistlators are proposing, called 'copyright', as it will let tyrannical authors prevent bookmakers from making books.''
Or, what was that one about british candlemakers protesting about how the Sun was screwing up their business?
The future is different from the past, just because its the past doesn't make it better, doesn't make it the only way that works.
HDTV DVDs - The next problem in 4~6 years... (Score:3)
If so, what's keeping the them from working out a scheme that's exponentially more difficult to break?
If I'm missing something, let me know...
Re:Nodody *needs* red pumps (Score:2)
I would put forth that any psychologist worth their weight would disagree with you.
Food, shelter, and clothing are physical necessities, though depending on the climate and such clothing may not rank as highly. However, you have emotional needs which go above and beyond that. Everybody, for example, needs to feel loved. Do you die if you don't feel loved? Of course not. But you don't develop healthily (or, if you prefer, normally) if that's the case. The same with entertainment. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." You're right, you *don't* need Q3Arena. You can just as easily get by with a deck of cards, or socializing with friends. But if you never take some time to yourself, to do things that you enjoy doing... then, well, something's wrong.
Linux DVD patch confusion (Score:5)
The original DVD patch was done by Andrew T. Veliath and this is the patch linked on the HOWTO page. While it only worked on ATAPI drives, his interface and structure was good and I decided to integrate this in the standard Linux kernel but in a bus independent way. Current 2.3 kernels contain this code and it works equally well on ATAPI as well as SCSI drives (which is an important point, IMO).
In summary, if you are running a recent 2.3 kernel you are all set and there is no need to patch your kernel. If you are on a 2.2 kernel, get the patch from my page to get support for both ATAPI and SCSI drives.
http://www.kernel.dk
Re:You're making the same mistake. (Score:2)
That's the difference between "free movies" and Free Software, which I know is what most of you guys have in the back of your mind right now. Free software can be made for free (on donated time.) And it can even be profitable, if you sell services associated with your software, or maybe printed manuals.
But you have to put money in to get a movie out, and that money has to come from somewhere. And you can't really use them as a loss-leader, anyway. (Well, George Lucas could probably have given away The Phantom Menace for free and subsisted on the merchandising money, but that's an unusual situation. Besides, do we want our movies to literally be two hour long commercials?)
I understand the general animosity towards restricted IP on
Re:Project list (Score:2)
Linux is striving to be a better OS. We have code freezes to get bugs worked out, but after that, more functionality enters. That is the beauty of this system. It is nowhere near reaching its limits and I don't think just buying another machine to run windows is a way to solve this problem.
You mention that you have a linux router/dialup box. Hmm last I checked they have that for windows too, so why do you use linux for it? Stability perhaps?
This is why I love linux, sure you might have to wait for some functionality, but once its there, it gets improved upon. If it has bugs they get fixed, not covered up. and yes, i have two machines, guess what, they both run linux, cuz it does what i want and will do what i need to later.
Patience is a virtue
Something useful.. (Score:3)
Re:Minimum specs for sound/video? (Score:3)
Re:Minimum specs for sound/video? (Score:3)
Why would you want to? (Score:2)
Not much of a threat
Re:min. specs (Score:2)
Re:Legality of the software? (Score:2)
Re:Why would you want to? (Score:4)
Re:Which DVD Drive? (Score:3)
Re:mpeg2player (Score:4)
Re:Reasons not to use Linux (Score:2)
Re:Reasons not to use Linux (Score:2)
CORBA, according to a lot of surveys is more widely used than COM. RAD in the form of Py/Tk/C is very slick, and there still isn't an editor anywhere that can do what Emacs can. Central registries are interesting in theory but the fact is that in real life they get corrupted by poorly written software leading to the help desk advising people "reinstall to fix any bugs you may have" or a system upgrade resulting in having to reinstall all applications as well. To me a the central registry in Windows leads to massive long term system instability and is one of the best reasons to run Linux.
As far as GUIs crashing, I have far more Windows Explorer crashes than I ever get from XFree.
Microsoft IE 5 is the best web browser currently available. But it also is a bloated pig in terms of system resources and does not fully adhere to standards, and I'd bet in the not too distant future will be surpassed by Mozilla. In the meantime Netscape is quite 'decent' thank you.
Re:min. specs (Score:2)
What the DVD How-To says (Score:4)
linuxdvd.webjump.com/"
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This comes from the URL listed above and is not my
own personal work.
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To watch a DVD film in Linux you should follow the following steps (to complete the hack, as in challenge, not crack!).
1) Get the DVD encryption kernel patch from http://atv.ne.mediaone.net/linux-dvd/ It is the file "linux-dvd-2.2.12.1.diff.gz"
LOCAL MIRROR
Insert it into the 2.2.13 kernel with the command "patch output.vob
10) Play the Movie.
mpeg2player -vob -f output.vob
(use the option -na for no sound)
(use the option -nv for no video)
11) You can use ac3dec to just play the sound if you want.
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Comments:
You will not be able to play both video and sound in the current configuration unless you have some sort of a high end system. Min
requirements would have to be a 350Mhz for just sound or Video. (At least 128MB mem) Min Req for both sound and video would have to
be somewhere around a 600Mhz. The highest I have tested it on is a 450. The reasoning behind this is that the code is very very new and
hasn't yet been optimized at all. I have no clue as to dual system.
There is only one button, so to say. That is PLAY. Once you start a film you have to quit the program to end it! Even then, you have to
have the vob files lined up. You could stream them from the cd-rom to the decoder to the player, but that would require a insane system.
And mpeg2player doesn't do streaming yet ( | ), but we would all appreciate it if someone would simply submit a patch to the author that
would allow it.
There is no Menu functionality whatsoever. You can only view it in DVD size 769*239 (something like that). That is how big it is on the
screen. You can't get Subtitles or any of the other fun stuff. You can't grab any or the sub picture or handle the navigation at all.
At some point shortly (MAYBE) a lot of this will be merged together to form a software backend for the Linux DVD API. [link]. Thus
you will be able to use a player (any player) to play the movie without having to do all of this. But that is a long way down the road to have
this software work in full. The Linux-DVD API is being developed by the DVD hardware group who will be releasing hardware decoders
around Christmas that support that API. And then you will not need this software at all. Other groups will also be coming out with a fully
functional (and much faster compared to todays hack) software decoder within the turn of the millenium , that will support everything that a
DVD does.
Full screen does not work, nor can you resize the window.
Please do not post silly comments to the mailing list. When this gets on slashdot please use the feedback on slashdot to handle any
minor issues that you will have. Please do not badger the authors to make bug fixes or to do something. These people have been working
at it for a long time and will do it when they see fit. PLEASE debate the ethical side of this on slashdot and NOT on the newsgroup.
Thanks.
For all those out there that thinks that this is a wonderful chance to copy the DVD, think again. Yes, you do have full access to the drive
and you would be able just copy the files somewhere else. The only thing is that you need somewhere to copy it too. The only place to put
it is on a DVD-RAM. And that is around $25 for a disk. The real DVD is $15 to $20. So it is quite silly to copy it to DVD-RAM. Also
you simply copy the decrypted files you won't be able to run it as a DVD at ALL. You get funny video, or really weird shit, but none of the
DVD features at all. This hack was NOT meant as a DVD-RIPPER. And it is almost the exact opposite of that. There are windows
programs that are designed for that and those are the people that you should be yelling at about this.
To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:3)
And truth be told, this bothers me none. The multimillion dollar movie does not help my world at all -- rather the contrary, instead of promoting my health, education, or well being in any way, shape, or form, the Hollywood giants get bigger, the recording industry expands, the money eater eats money, and someone whose daddy was rich, gets richer. And what good are patents, when they directly inhibit a healthy economy by promoting stagnation and monopolies. What good are copyright laws that prevent modern Disney films from being referenced in a text book from which I wish to learn.
What good is music I cannot listen to. And why must the recording industry insist on making people famous, despite their obvious lack of talent, and thereby truncating any forwards my society has fought for local, true, non-mass entertained culture. I say let MP3's thrive, and so will our choice in music, and let true popularity be shown.
And of movies? Movies make money from commercials, food companies, advertising agencies, theatres, rental outlets, and royalties. How much money do they need? Good movies make good money, as they should. But I have been to countless bad movies, whereby my spent money has left me with only the return of bitterness or exhaustion, frustration or sadness. Whomever made the movie, makes their, in my opinion of the movie, undeserved dollar. Is this fair? No.
Then what would be fair? I say let me copy DVD's, let me copy MP3's, let me have that moment of entertainment, without worrying about some rich person's pocket money. I have enough issues with money not to have to think about someone else's whenever I seek to be entertained.
At some point of earning money, I conclude, the possession of more money is fundamentally wrong.
Flamboient??? (Score:2)
The rest would be too if considered a flame. Linus has said he considered himself the best programmer in the world when he began Linux, and that's ego, whether he was or was not. That's good, or else he may not have taken the task. He wasn't happy with Minux, which is why he created Linux, and Xenix was popular (many people liked Xenix, because it was functional and had support).
The rest was 'what OSes have their goal for servers?' FreeBSD is a good x86 OS designed for servers, which means its better at some tasks while worse at others. Don't kid me by claiming AIX and Solaris are not server class OSes, because both are well respected and powerful unix OSes on their platforms.
Linux is superior to all of these in various ways, but each are superior to linux, and each other, in various ways. Pretending nothing else except Linux exists and is useful is pure ignorance. Take my karma away, fine (who cares?), but don't be so thick headed as to claim anything that does not flaim a different, non-Linux based OS is thereby a flaim towards Linux. Linux is modelled after UNIX, so there has to e some good things to UNIX, and as there are other UNIX OSes, there must be some good things about them too. Its mere logic.
Re:ripping (Score:3)
DVD's have a few forms of protection in CSS authentication and encryption, but both have been cracked for a while now although only recently has some source code been made available to the public.
programs like DeCSS and DOD SpeedRipper (both windows proggies) have been able to extract the
I guess what i'm saying is this; the law has been flaunted for a while now, it's just that finally people who have a legitimate and legal right to view their own dvd's will finally be able to do so under linux.
What i really can't wait for is for one or two big hardware decoder manufacturers to release some programming specs so we can have hardware assisted playback
-Iain Wade
Project list (Score:3)
-Quick time came up a few weeks ago on slashdot.
-We need to come up with a good GPLed VCD player (I can't find any, youknow of one?)
-console based Real-Audio receiver that can save to
So while we have a way of watching dvds now, we still have a lot more work that needs doing before we can do everything other OSs can.
Re:Hardware Decoders... (Score:3)
1a-a hardware decoder will always be less of a strain on the system than doing it in software. DMA from the drive to the card, and from the card to your video card. Shouldn't eat more than a few % of your cpu.
2-I cannot argue with that, IF you have a fast enough cpu. In a GPL sense, not as long as there are patents on any part of it, and I expect there are.
3&4-well, yeah.
5-hey, and they don't take a PCI slot anyways. But I'm not replacing my Libretto any time soon either. And I bet hardware is easier on your battery. If you have the space, why not use hardware?
There is a place for hardware decoders, yeah, next summer, when I upgrade to a dual 1ghz Athlon system, software will be great, but until I get around to it (and it may be longer than that), hardware is the only way for me to watch it. Well, when it finally works under Linux.
Re:Legality of the software? (Score:4)
DVD = Damned Video Decoding (Score:4)
Can you tell I'm excited? Here's the fourm to say what I need to say. FUCK YOUR ENCRYPTION! Does anyone remember when we thought this was impossible, and that even if it weren't, it would need a hardware decoder? Well, the Linux-DVD team has proven them all wrong.
Oh, and any posts about the "ethics" of this are pointless to say the least. When you pay for a DVD, you pay for the right to watch it, and enjoy it. Should you be penalized if you aren't using Windows to view it?
I love you Tux, I love you Linux-DVD team, I love you Slashdot.
By the way, I heard about people using their DVD drives under Linux (for data DVDs) back in Janurary. I never thought I would see the Matrix playing in an X-Window.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:5)
I don't really care if you have to spend more money than you'd like to, to get a CD you want. That's life. Yes, major labels have hideously overpriced the cost of CDs, but it's still your choice whether or not to buy them. Look, I'm all for the MP3 format, and I love to see artists distribute their content over the internet. What I can't stand, however, is when people decide that it's okay for them to pirate music that wasn't distributed by it's creators for free.
It's theft, plain and simple. I know that everyone thinks of the industry as being the big bad guy, and maybe they are. That doesn't make it okay for you to steal from them though. If you do, then you're just as bad as they are. Just because you don't like a musician or a company doesn't make it okay for you to violate their right to intellectual property. They can charge whatever they damn-well like for their products.
Look, it's not like music/movies are something you HAVE to have. If you don't want to pay their price then vote with your feet: take you business elsewhere. But don't reduce yourself to the level of a theif by pirating their material. It's unacceptable in any media: music, movies, software, or whatever.
If pirating movies and music becomes a wide-spread practice (right now MP3s aren't quite as ubiquitous as they could be) then the movie and music industries will have to hike their rates for people who actually have a conscience. And if those people can't pay the price then said industry will be shut down. Period. If people aren't willing to pay for movie, then no one is going to spend 100 million on special effects to create it.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
All I care about is the folly of "regional DVDs" (Score:3)
Re:DVD = Damned Video Decoding (Score:5)
Here is the number:
{0x28, {0x53, 0xd4, 0xf7, 0xd9, 0x8f}};
or for the codeers:
struct player_key player_key = {0x28, {0x53, 0xd4, 0xf7, 0xd9, 0x8f}};
Re:Project list (Score:2)
DVD crypto evilness: mfrs can be locked out! (Score:5)
The nasty bit is this: the idea was that if a given key is leaked, they simply stop using it on newly pressed disks. Bang: the key in *your* brand of DVD player was leaked, so now neither you nor anyone else with a player from that manufacturer can play new disks. This threat has never been carried out.
Fortunately, they screwed up the crypto: master keys can be brute forced in a few days. Basically DVD locking is dead; they'd have to come up with a forward-and-backward incompatible "DVD Plus" format to rescue things now.
However, this is so far the industry's best effort at a universal copy-resistant format; as the tide turns our way, it might hopefully be their last.
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Re:DVD crypto evilness: mfrs can be locked out! (Score:2)
poker programs and such:
$ cat *.keys | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | cut -f1 | uniq -c:
75 6
160 5
75 4
61 3
24 2
673 1
$ cat *.keys | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr (skipping the last 673
uninteresting numbers):
6 {0x7d5, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
6 {0x7b7, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
6 {0x7ad, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
6 {0x78f, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
6 {0x762, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x73f, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
6 {0x730, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x71c, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
6 {0x717, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
6 {0x6f4, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
6 {0x6c2, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
6 {0x6b8, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x6ae, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x68b, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
6 {0x67c, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
6 {0x672, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
6 {0x64a, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
6 {0x622, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
6 {0x61d, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
6 {0x618, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
6 {0x604, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
6 {0x5be, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
6 {0x591, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
6 {0x58c, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
6 {0x573, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
6 {0x564, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
6 {0x550, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
6 {0x537, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
6 {0x532, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
6 {0x519, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
6 {0x4c4, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
6 {0x4a6, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
6 {0x4a1, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
6 {0x433, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x410, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
6 {0x40b, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
6 {0x3c0, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x3bb, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
6 {0x38e, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x36b, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x366, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
6 {0x361, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
6 {0x357, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
6 {0x352, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
6 {0x339, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
6 {0x320, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
6 {0x2f3, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x2bc, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x2a8, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
6 {0x29e, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
6 {0x28f, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x28a, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
6 {0x27b, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x258, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
6 {0x221, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
6 {0x1fe, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
6 {0x1f9, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x18b, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x177, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x154, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x14a, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
6 {0x145, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
6 {0x13b, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
6 {0x131, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
6 {0x11d, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
6 {0x0f5, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
6 {0x0e6, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
6 {0x0d7, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
6 {0x096, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
6 {0x050, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
6 {0x04b, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
6 {0x037, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
6 {0x023, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
6 {0x00a, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
6 {0x005, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
5 {0x7f3, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
5 {0x7ee, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
5 {0x7da, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
5 {0x7c6, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x7c1, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
5 {0x7b2, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x7a3, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x79e, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
5 {0x799, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
5 {0x794, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
5 {0x780, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
5 {0x77b, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
5 {0x767, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
5 {0x758, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
5 {0x749, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
5 {0x73a, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
5 {0x70d, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
5 {0x703, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x6fe, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x6ef, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x6ea, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
5 {0x6d6, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x6c7, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x6a9, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x6a4, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
5 {0x69a, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
5 {0x690, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
5 {0x686, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x66d, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
5 {0x668, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
5 {0x65e, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
5 {0x659, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
5 {0x654, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
5 {0x64f, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
5 {0x645, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
5 {0x636, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
5 {0x627, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
5 {0x613, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
5 {0x60e, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
5 {0x609, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
5 {0x5ff, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x5e6, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x5d7, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
5 {0x5d2, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x5c3, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
5 {0x5b4, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
5 {0x5aa, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
5 {0x5a0, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x596, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
5 {0x587, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
5 {0x582, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x57d, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
5 {0x578, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
5 {0x56e, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x569, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
5 {0x541, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
5 {0x52d, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
5 {0x528, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
5 {0x523, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
5 {0x514, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
5 {0x50f, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
5 {0x505, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
5 {0x4fb, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
5 {0x4f6, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
5 {0x4e7, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x4e2, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x4d8, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
5 {0x4d3, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x4c9, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
5 {0x4ba, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x4b0, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
5 {0x49c, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x497, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
5 {0x488, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x479, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
5 {0x46f, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
5 {0x465, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x45b, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x456, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x451, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
5 {0x44c, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
5 {0x43d, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
5 {0x438, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
5 {0x42e, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
5 {0x41f, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x41a, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x415, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
5 {0x401, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
5 {0x3fc, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x3e8, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
5 {0x3e3, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x3de, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x3d9, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
5 {0x3d4, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
5 {0x3c5, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
5 {0x3a7, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
5 {0x389, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x384, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x375, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
5 {0x35c, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
5 {0x343, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x334, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x311, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x30c, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
5 {0x307, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
5 {0x2e4, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
5 {0x2da, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
5 {0x2d5, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
5 {0x2d0, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
5 {0x2cb, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x2c1, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
5 {0x2ad, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
5 {0x294, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
5 {0x285, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
5 {0x276, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x267, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x262, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
5 {0x25d, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
5 {0x253, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
5 {0x244, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x23f, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x23a, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x235, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
5 {0x22b, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x226, {0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0}}
5 {0x212, {0xbf,0x92,0xc3,0xb0,0xe2}}
5 {0x1f4, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
5 {0x1ef, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
5 {0x1e0, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
5 {0x1db, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
5 {0x1c7, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x1b8, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
5 {0x1a9, {0xcf,0x1a,0xb2,0xf8,0x0a}}
5 {0x19f, {0x2f,0x25,0x9e,0x96,0xdd}}
5 {0x17c, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
5 {0x16d, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x140, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x122, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
5 {0x118, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
5 {0x10e, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x0ff, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
5 {0x0fa, {0xec,0xa0,0xcf,0xb3,0xff}}
5 {0x0f0, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
5 {0x0e1, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
5 {0x0cd, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x0c8, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
5 {0x0be, {0xb1,0xb8,0xf9,0x38,0x03}}
5 {0x0b9, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
5 {0x0a5, {0x45,0xed,0x28,0xeb,0xd3}}
5 {0x087, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
5 {0x07d, {0x26,0xec,0xc4,0xa7,0x4e}}
5 {0x073, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
5 {0x069, {0x3b,0x31,0x34,0x0d,0x91}}
5 {0x064, {0x85,0xf3,0x85,0xa0,0xe0}}
5 {0x05a, {0x48,0xb7,0x6c,0xce,0x69}}
5 {0x032, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
5 {0x02d, {0xab,0x36,0xe3,0xeb,0x76}}
5 {0x028, {0xb8,0x5d,0xd8,0x53,0xbd}}
5 {0x01e, {0x2c,0xb2,0xc1,0x09,0xee}}
5 {0x014, {0x4c,0xbb,0xf5,0x5b,0x23}}
4 {0x7f8, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x7d0, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
4 {0x7a8, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
4 {0x776, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
4 {0x76c, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x74e, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x744, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
4 {0x735, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x72b, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x726, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x721, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
4 {0x708, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x6e5, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
4 {0x6e0, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x6db, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
4 {0x695, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
4 {0x681, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x663, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x63b, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
4 {0x62c, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
4 {0x5fa, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x5f5, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x5e1, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
4 {0x5dc, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
4 {0x5b9, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
4 {0x55f, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x555, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
4 {0x546, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x53c, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x51e, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
4 {0x4f1, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
4 {0x4ab, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
4 {0x492, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
4 {0x48d, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x47e, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
4 {0x46a, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
4 {0x429, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
4 {0x424, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
4 {0x406, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
4 {0x3f7, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x3cf, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x3b6, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
4 {0x3b1, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
4 {0x39d, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
4 {0x398, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
4 {0x37a, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x370, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
4 {0x34d, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
4 {0x33e, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
4 {0x32a, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
4 {0x316, {0x63,0xdb,0x4c,0x5b,0x4a}}
4 {0x2f8, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
4 {0x2e9, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
4 {0x2c6, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x2b2, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
4 {0x2a3, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
4 {0x24e, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
4 {0x217, {0x14,0x0c,0x9e,0xd0,0x09}}
4 {0x1ea, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
4 {0x1d1, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
4 {0x1bd, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x1ae, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
4 {0x1a4, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
4 {0x195, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
4 {0x186, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x136, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x12c, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x109, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
4 {0x0af, {0xfc,0x95,0xa9,0x87,0x35}}
4 {0x09b, {0x7b,0x1e,0x5e,0x2b,0x57}}
4 {0x08c, {0x39,0x3d,0xf1,0xf1,0xbd}}
4 {0x05f, {0x01,0xaf,0xe3,0x12,0x80}}
4 {0x046, {0x1a,0xa4,0x33,0x21,0xa6}}
4 {0x041, {0x12,0x11,0xca,0x04,0x3b}}
4 {0x019, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
3 {0x7e9, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
3 {0x7df, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
3 {0x7cb, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x771, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
3 {0x75d, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
3 {0x6f9, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
3 {0x6d1, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
3 {0x6bd, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
3 {0x6b3, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x5f0, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
3 {0x5c8, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x5a5, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
3 {0x59b, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
3 {0x55a, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x54b, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x50a, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x500, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x4ec, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x4ce, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
3 {0x4bf, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
3 {0x4b5, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
3 {0x483, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
3 {0x474, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
3 {0x447, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
3 {0x442, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
3 {0x3ed, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
3 {0x3ca, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
3 {0x3ac, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x3a2, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
3 {0x393, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
3 {0x37f, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x32f, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
3 {0x325, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
3 {0x2fd, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x2df, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
3 {0x2b7, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
3 {0x299, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
3 {0x271, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
3 {0x26c, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
3 {0x20d, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
3 {0x208, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x203, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
3 {0x1e5, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x1d6, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
3 {0x1cc, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
3 {0x1c2, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x1b3, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
3 {0x19a, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x181, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x172, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
3 {0x168, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
3 {0x163, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x159, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
3 {0x104, {0x53,0x94,0xe1,0x75,0xbf}}
3 {0x0eb, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x0c3, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x0aa, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
3 {0x0a0, {0x33,0x2f,0x49,0x6c,0xe0}}
3 {0x082, {0xab,0x1e,0xe7,0x7b,0x72}}
3 {0x078, {0x14,0x71,0x35,0xba,0xe2}}
3 {0x03c, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
2 {0x7e4, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
2 {0x78a, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
2 {0x785, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
2 {0x753, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
2 {0x712, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
2 {0x631, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
2 {0x5cd, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
2 {0x5af, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
2 {0x4dd, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
2 {0x3f2, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
2 {0x348, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
2 {0x31b, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
2 {0x302, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
2 {0x2ee, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
2 {0x280, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
2 {0x21c, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
2 {0x190, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
2 {0x15e, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
2 {0x14f, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
2 {0x113, {0x57,0x2c,0x8b,0x31,0xae}}
2 {0x0d2, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
2 {0x091, {0x4b,0x65,0x0d,0xc1,0xee}}
2 {0x06e, {0x36,0x67,0xb2,0xe3,0x85}}
2 {0x055, {0x35,0x5b,0xc1,0x31,0x0f}}
takes about 30 minutes to generate
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credit goes to Mike on this post
Whoa boy... (Score:4)
That is what you're suggesting, right? Because of course, movies cost a hell of a lot of money to make. Movie companies aren't going to spend $100M+ on a movie like Titanic if they are forced to give away their movies for free. (Because they're "too rich"?) Sure, they could still charge people to see the film in theaters, but that will become increasingly irrelevant as home theater technology advances.
That reason alone is plenty explanation for why you can't copy movies. But I can't let the many snide remarks about "rich" movie companies go by without comment. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner and their peers really are completely selfish and amoral. When you steal movies from them, since they're already so rich anyway, do you think they're just going to smile and take a pay cut? Of course not. They'll close a studio, putting hundreds of minimum-wage workers out of a job... they'll cancel interesting or controversial projects, in favor of guaranteed money-makers like Big Daddy... they'll raise prices on whatever it is that they're still alowed to sell... and everyone else will be hurt.
I must say, I lose a bit of respect for
Reasons not to use Linux (Score:4)
Re:DVD = Damned Video Decoding (Score:2)
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:2)
All music that I enjoy, I wish I could give the artists money, but from what I have seen, the $1 that an average artists makes on a CD just doesn't justify the $20 I'm going to pay for it, especially when I know that the majority of the manufacturing cost is in the jewel case!
Movies are a more complex, but the problem still exists that a costly movie does not indicate a good movie! See Waterworld. Whereas many cheap movies have been great, see Judgement at Nuremburg. My experience has lead me to believe that the more a movie costs, the more effort has been put into the development of the movie to cover up for lack of acting, or plot, or overall richness of content. But that's subjective, and completely dependent on the genre as well. (Sci-fi benefits from the cash injections.)
My qualm with movies is that Hollywood consistently releases movies I do not enjoy. They still get my money. There is no "pay if you like it", scenario. You do not "get what you pay for", you simply "take it or leave it". However, if I walked out of Fight Club for example, I'd have gladly given $10 for the entertainment value, intellectual stimulation, and overall relaxation induced by taking me away from reality for a few hours. That kind of thing is priceless.
In reality, however, with such high margins, what incentive does a producer have to make a good movie? It's more likely that the movie was brought up to schedule against the desires of the cast, crew, and producer to make a good movie, in an effort to meet a movie season peak.
With less margin, the incentive exists to provide better movies. I see fit to vindicate these wrongs by not paying.
And I fear no reprisal from law enforcement: any law that undermines the morals of the people is of null and void effect. What decent person would punish someone for copying a movie? The producer of the movie comes to mind, but then, if it was a Hollywood movie, they'd likely not care because they have sufficient money. And if the movie bombed, and they made little money in the theatres, advertisements, fast food endorsements, and so on and so forth? I say that it is unlikely that this is a movie I would want to copy, and were it a movie I desired to possess, I would gladly pay a reasonable amount for it.
My time becomes more precious with age, and my interests with mass-produced entertainment dwindle. If anything, the producers of movies will eventually have to pay me to spend my precious time to sit and watch their movie. If the advertisements in the beginning of the movie incite me to spend money on particular products, then everyone is happy.
I am not sure how this comes across as selfish. This is my attitude towards a selfish world. My $20 is not worth a 2 hour movie I'd watch three times in my lifetime. My $20 is not worth a single track on a single CD that I enjoy a severely finite number of times. If they want my money, let them barter for it. I'd gladly give $2 for the single track I want to listen to, but cut the crap and give me the things I want at the prices that meets both of our needs. I do not feel the need to be exploited, and will go to great lengths to engage those that attempt it!
Re:Hardware Decoders... (Score:5)
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:5)
The studios and me. That was my point. Bargaining works like this:
A) Widgets! Get your widgets right here! Only $100!
B) I'll pay $2
A) $50
B) $2
A) $25
B) $2
A) Screw you. I'll taking my widget and going home.
You removed the studios' ability to say the last part. It would be one thing if you said "I'm not willing to pay $18 for that album" and sucked it up and went without. But when you say "I'm not willing to pay $18 for that album; I'm stealing it instead", what incentive does the studio have to lower the price? Sure, a FEW people might buy it instead (you claim you would, but are you sure?), but most would not and they would lose more money (I suspect they could lower it some and gain more from people who abstain, not pirates).
When you say "It's worth $2 to me" that means you're willing to pay $2 and if it costs more you won't have it. It does not mean that you will give the person $2 for the item. A subtle difference, but consider. How much is fetchmail worth to me? I'd say $25, maybe a little more. Does that mean that's how much I pay for it? No. Likewise, the album/movie may be "worth $2" to you, but the studio has no evidence that you won't just steal it anyway, so they won't sell it for $2.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:2)
I don't feel like gambling my money on the entertainment prospect of a movie every time I go to the theatre. I don't have the time, the money, the energy, or the incentive.
The real issue: Will years of mind-bogglingly bad movies produce a state where one cannot recognize the true value of a film, such as Blair Witch project, wherein we have been spoiled or brainwashed, by Hollywood marketing.
Re:Why? (Score:4)
1. The Linux community has earned a reputation of not being willing to pay for anything.
2. The Linux market for things like this is sufficiently small that the companies figure that it's not worth spending the money to make sure that it works under Linux.
They don't sit around and say, "Yeah! Let's shut out all those Linux/Amiga/Etc. users, we don't want them watching our movies," they just don't yet see a business advantage in doing so.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Re:it's a start... (Score:5)
Does anyone just sit back and enjoy the hack anymore? It seems everyone wants to jump 20 steps ahead all the time. At least take a few seconds to give credit for the hack...
Here we have a person/group of people who complete a not so trivial task and the first thing people hit them with is, 'gee, is that all, it wont clean my room for me?'
At least give them a day to bask...
Or has the time come when none can rest and all must push for world domination by next tuesday at the latest?
Anyway, congrats to those who hacked...
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:2)
As far as no more movies being made...
If enough people want to pay for movies, as you apparently do, then the movies will get made. How will it help anyone if I go without instead of pirating? If nobody but me can ever possibly know, how can anyone but me possibly be hurt? If we all choose to not watch movies, it has the same effect as everybody pirating them. Why should one be preferable to the producers than the other?
The only reason I can come up with is a vague notion of injustice based on the idea that it is immoral to recieve any benefit without paying the creator of the benefit. It seems that it is maybe rude to not pay, but how is this rudeness anywhere near as bad as theft?
Re:Reasons not to use Linux (Score:2)
7. Quicken
8. Mastercook
9. Greeting Card Workshop (no, really)
10. Kodak DC40 connectivity
11. SQL-Station
I look forward to ports/equivalent apps for all of these someday.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:3)
You are completely justified in 'pirating' a movie rather than submitting to extortion. Think about it, how much more does it cost the movie producers when you view their movie? How much more work do they have to do when you give 1000 copies away? ZERO!! Asking to pay for copying is demanding something for nothing, which is most certainly wrong. Some people claim that viewing a movie without paying is getting something for nothing, and therefore stealing. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Viewing a movie gratis is getting nothing for nothing. You aren't getting anything, except the right to do something no one has the right to deny you.
If this causes the movie industry to crumble and die, as is happening any time now with software and music, then so be it. Musicians will still write music, they have for years before copyright. Software will still be written, it is necessary for many aspects of life and business. If movies don't get made it is because nobody wants to pay. If nobody wants to pay, then obviously no one would care if they stop being made.
Re:Lame (Score:2)
If you want a server OS unix, you have FreeBSD whose goal was a server-class BSD unix on x86 (IMHO, its done a good job), or various nice UNICES, such as AIX or Solaris. But.. umm... don't think you'd often be watching dvds (heh.. and even already most are porn) on your Power4.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:5)
The CSS stuff (which is where this breakthrough was) is NOT PATENTED
If they had PATENTED it, we would have had working (but illegal) stuff last year. Instead, they kept it a TRADE SECRET. That has no legal protection, but it means it took an extra 12 months or so to get free code which works.
For the player, no-one can legally make a FREE (as in Beer or as in Speech) player. You have to pay per-copy fees for at least some of the component technologies (AC3 comes to mind) in a player.
However, just because it is ILLEGAL to make a free player, doesn't mean no-one has
Anyway, the key breakthrough (CSS) means there's no major difference between "DVD Video on Linux" and "MPEG 2 on Linux", except a few silly add-on features. I can live without subtitles if I have to.
Hardware Decoders... (Score:5)
After we get the Linux-DVD project on the road to completion (now that CSS & Data encryption have been cracked, and a makeshift player has been put together -- way to go IceFox, a "snowball" effect is almost sure to start...) Within a few months, we should see quality (hopefully) GPL'ed players emerge. But there's something that really irks me. We need to concentrate on the manufacturers of hardware decoders. Creative has given somewhere between a very poor to slightly poor effort to bring drivers for it's DXR series of decoder cards to *NIX systems. They've opened up the SB Live drivers, but what of the DXRs? We need to e-mail, petition, press (not harass, just make our voices heard) to open up the source for the hardware decoder drivers. Many of you (including me and my DXR3) have a $70-$150 card in our computers that if we were to delete Windows, which some of us have, would become worthless to us. This is a shame -- and should be our next challenge to overcome.
Way to go on the software. Now we need to get the hardware.
Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:3)
Extortion has to be the biggest stretch of the imagination. No one needs movies. You don't have to pay their price, but don't expect to get something for free, just because you don't think it's reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable to pay $35,000 for a car. I happen to know that cars do not cost that much to build. That, however, does not give me the right to walk into a Nissan dealership and drive off in a new Maxima without paying for it.
If you don't pay for a movie, then the producers don't get a return on their investment. If they don't get their money back, they won't sink money into another film. Unless you're satisfied with a thousand films a year that all look like "Blair Witch", then someone needs to shell out a couple million.
From your last comment, though, it seems like you wouldn't mind if the entire movie industry disappeared. Fine. Go fsck yourself because the rest of us enjoy it. People like you are nothing but theives. Go ahead and justify it by telling yourself that they are the one's who're extorting you. Its dillusional and no moral person would have any part in it.
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Re:To be MP3, are the movies we see (Score:2)
While digital media is certainly much easier to duplicate then the physical, it still costs money to produce. People have to be paid for their work, without which, that digital media would not exist. The costs of producing ANY media are defrayed (and turned into profit) by selling the product. No matter what it is, if you get it for free then you're obviously not paying the pricetag, and therefore not defraying the producers overhead.
You (along with many others) make the argument that it doesn't make a difference whether you pirate it, because you wouldn't buy it in the first place. This is true in some ways, but it's on very shaky ground. If one person did what you suggest (pirates instead of going without) then there really is no difference.
Imagine though, if everyone did that. Now nobody is paying for the content and the producer isn't seeing a penny to compensate for his work/investment. Suddenly the market for his product has no value for him and he will, unless he doesn't care about losing money, discontinue production of newer media.
Here's the real issue: You're using something that a person just like you spent time and hard work to create. By not paying them, it's a slap in their face. If you don't respect them enough to pay their price, then don't use their product. I don't care what it is - Music, Video, Software, whatever.
I guess you're right though: It's not theft in the traditional sense of the word. You aren't actually stealing anything, just copying it. But it is theft by the legal definition. You are violating another persons right to profit off of the use of their intellectual property. You're also causing the destruction of a market that you obviously enjoy to some extent. Have a little foresight and do the right thing. If the price is too high then vote with your feet -- don't use the product.
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