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Study of YouTube Comments Finds Evidence of Radicalization Effect (techcrunch.com) 265

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Research presented at the ACM FAT 2020 conference in Barcelona today supports the notion that YouTube's platform is playing a role in radicalizing users via exposure to far-right ideologies. The study, carried out by researchers at Switzerland's Ecole polytechnique federale de Lausanne and the Federal University of Minas Gerais in Brazil, found evidence that users who engaged with a middle ground of extreme right-wing content migrated to commenting on the most fringe far-right content.

Their paper, called "Auditing radicalization pathways on YouTube," details a large-scale study of YouTube looking for traces of evidence -- in likes, comments and views -- that certain right-leaning YouTube communities are acting as gateways to fringe far-right ideologies. Per the paper, they analyzed 330,925 videos posted on 349 channels -- broadly classifying the videos into four types: Media, the Alt-lite, the Intellectual Dark Web (IDW) and the Alt-right -- and using user comments as a "good enough" proxy for radicalization (their data set included 72 million comments). The findings suggest a pipeline effect over a number of years where users who started out commenting on alt-lite/IDW YouTube content shifted to commenting on extreme far-right content on the platform over time. The rate of overlap between consumers of Media content and the alt-right was found to be far lower.
"The researchers were unable to determine the exact mechanism involved in migrating YouTube users from consuming 'alt lite' politics to engaging with the most fringe and extreme far-right ideologies -- citing a couple of key challenges on that front: Limited access to recommendation data; and the study not taking into account personalization (which can affect a user's recommendations on YouTube)," reports TechCrunch.

"But even without personalization, they say they were 'still able to find a path in which users could find extreme content from large media channels.'"
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:04PM (#59672830)

    Can't be radicalized to far-left ideologies after all.

    • Maybe because the far left in the US is a bunch of amateurs?
      • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:13PM (#59672844)

        Hardly - you're sucking down the kool-aid so fast you think Trump is a nazi put into power by russian hackers and is going to steal the 2020 election. He's such a threat that he needs to be impeached immediately- except we'll wait a month to turn the impeachment over to the senate because the case is so rock solid that it's going to be obstructed there. In fact, if only we can call some more witnesses now that it it's in the Senate you'll really see how evil Trump is! Not that it matters anyway because we'll just impeach Trump again until we get the answer we want.

        But yeah - tell me again how the left in the US is a bunch of amateurs. oh yeah - they certainly ARE acting amateurish.

        • by Baconsmoke ( 6186954 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:19PM (#59672870)
          Well thank goodness you haven't been radicalized. We were worried there for a sec.
        • by Kiuas ( 1084567 ) on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:59AM (#59674036)

          Trump's own people are saying that he witheld military aid he'd previously given to Ukraine because he wanted Ukraine to help him politically. When this whole shitstorm started their argument was 'there was no quid pro quo', which is obvious BS because he froze the aid, and only released it after it came to light in order to try and hide his guilt.

          If this was tried in an actual court this would be the most clear cut case ever. But it's not tried on an actual court, it's being tried in a political body, where republicans (remember, the same people who tried to impeach a president over a blowjob) have no entirely abandoned the 'there was no quid pro quo' argument and moved on to full-on batshit insane partisan mode of 'so there was quid pro quo but so what'. I mean look at this so called argument by his lawyer:

          If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment.

          So they're now admitting there was indeed quid pro quo, but saying that it's not impeachable.

          It's basically arguing that the president can do anything to get him elected as long as he believes it's in the public interest. You know which systems of government used to work that way? Monarchies. The argument boils down to a Nixonian 'when the president does it, it's not illegal'.

          Watching this unfold from abroad has been amazing: the republicans used to make a lot of noise about limited government and checks and balances and whatnot, but that's all gone now. They're now actively working as a team to basically set a historical precedent which states that so long as you control the Senate and the presidency, the president is basically above any and all laws and can do whatever the he wants, and if he gets impeached the senate can just block all witnesses, ignore all the evidence, and acquit him, who gives a fuck about the constitution or the rule of law. I mean if the sides were flipped and it was the democrats pulling this sort of bullshit the republicans would have their heads exploding. But since it's their guy, they happily fall to their knees and declare: 'All bow to Donald the First, protector of the Realm!'

          This is how republics fall. It's happened numerous times before and it'll happen again, and there's nothing special about the US that makes you guys immune to it. The framework that's there to protect you from tyranny is the constitution, and the american constitution is a fine document, but it's just that. A document. It's not a magical talisman that does anything on it's own, it requires the politicians to actually adhere to the ideas and principles contained within it for it to work. As Schiff put it: "No Constitution can protect us if right doesn't matter any more." When men abandon any and all principles and the rule of law to further their own political goals at any cost, the slide to totalitarianism has begun. I mean, my history lessons taught me that you guys specifically had a revolution and a war to get rid of this kind of bullshit, but I guess nothing really matters anymore, so long as your side is on the throne. The idiocy of this mentality is beyond mind boggling, but I mean, it makes sense, you have to be a literal idiot at this point to think that Trump's serving anybody but himself.

          Have fun with your newfound love for monarchy man, and remember to bow low to your ruler, for his is the absolute power!

          • To clarify, Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob, not the blowjob itself. I do find myself wondering what lies Trump would tell if we was willing to testify himself, which Clinton did for hours, and which Trump has said he is willing to do without any hesitation and would love to do because he is a totally stable genius, but is concerned about a "perjury trap" which as near as I can tell is the fear that you tell a lie under oath and are later caught, or are proved lying because of earlier state
      • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @09:55PM (#59673208)

        Hence the label of 'useful idiot'.

      • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

        Left / Right is the wrong paradigm, what really matters is how much politicians are willing to protect citizens from corporate abuses and how much they stand up to corporate lobbying and how bought they are. Neither Democrats or Republicans are much good in this respect.
        Here in the UK we have a politician who would look out for people's interests, he's on his way out after constant media assassination even from those purportedly on the left.

    • by Baconsmoke ( 6186954 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:22PM (#59672880)
      Obviously you can, but it isn't happening on YouTube. It happens on far left college campuses. However, I will say this. The radicalization to the right has been a roller-coaster going faster and faster lately. It's pretty hard not to notice it.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

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        • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30, 2020 @09:01PM (#59673016)

          "and evil mens ideologies that tell us if we only blame the WHITE MALES, or the Christians, or the non real Americans, or whatever, that we can "take our country back."

          Again - you're sucking down the kool-aid. cancel culture, metoo, blue checkmarked twitter brigades, colleges banning speech that upsets people but demanding people attend speeches that "punch up" for their own good. This is all a result of "education" - not for critical thinking but for "rightthink".where the masses have been led into such a tizzy that even ardent leftist feminists are attacked as TERFs for not holding the correct viewpoint - IE "simple ideologies"

          • The problem is that you're using language saying in all cases [wikipedia.org] X is true. The parent post, on the other hand, is using language saying there exists [wikipedia.org] cases where Y is true.

            It's easy to disprove the former, and easy to prove the latter. If you're wondering why more people don't agree with you when you put forth such an argument, this is part of the problem. Also, I want to be clear that it's not limited to either side in this debate. People on both sides need to stop saying "everyone on the right/left think

        • by PPH ( 736903 )

          Its interesting isn't it, that there seems a clear association between the rejection of hard right ideologies and education.

          That's not exactly what the PP said. "It happens on far left college campuses." Not college campuses in general. 'Education' covers a wide range of subjects and includes people with a broad range of political views.

        • I agree with you. I think most radicalization comes from impressionable minds coupled with not enough education and critical thinking skills to see the circle jerk they've immersed themselves into. They then shut out any opposing arguments and drown in their own soundwalls. It happens WAY more on the right, but there are some leftists who have trouble seeing the forest for the trees. What I've noticed on campus is that the young folks who are just starting out are the ones who become most radical, but as t
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by lgw ( 121541 )

          ts interesting isn't it, that there seems a clear association between the rejection of hard right ideologies and education.

          Pretty obviously because the hard left ideologies are what's taught in universities these days. Of course, if you think there's anything "hard right" on YouTube, BitChute will break your brain. I'd love a real alternative to YouTube, but damn BitChute's got to do something about their recommendation algorithm.

          ideologies often offer simple answers, in the form of "the enemy", or "the one to blame".

          Yup, pretty much any ideology. The Man is keeping you down, or is it the invader? The important thing is that your shitty life is someone else's fault!

          It's good when you have an idea, but it's terr

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:29AM (#59673970) Homepage Journal

            Nah, it's because of empathy. It's much easier to empathise with someone you know or at least understand. Education brings that understanding and college/university often brings exposure to a wider range of people too.

            You see the same thing with "concerns" over immigration. They tend to be higher in areas with low immigration because in areas where there is more of it people get to know the immigrants and see that they are actually decent human beings and that all the stuff said about them is mostly BS.

            More over the ideology of the left tends to be a bit more complex. It's not just "the man", that's a term referring to a system and the biggest hurdle for left leaning ideologies is usually explaining them. It's a weakness that is very easy to attack because all an opponent has to do is offer a simple but wrong explanation and people will cling to it rather than try to understand something even slightly more involved.

            • by lgw ( 121541 )

              You see the same thing with "concerns" over immigration.

              Those concerns are ... "problematic", to be sure.

              More over the ideology of the left tends to be a bit more complex. It's not just "the man"

              Right, it's "the patriarchy". Much more smarterer than "the man".

              • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                I'm convinced that most people who complain about people using the term patriarchy haven't even the most basic understanding of what it is. They think it's just men in charge or something.

                Which is a great example of telling a simple lie about something which is then very difficult to debunk because it requires an much more extensive rebuttal.

                • by lgw ( 121541 )

                  The patriarchy of course needs no definition, because if you disagree in any way with its oppression, you're a part of it and can be ignored. Ineffable, really.

                  But the point is, it makes your problems "Someone else's fault", which is comforting ... unless you actually think about it for 5 minutes. After all, if all your problems are your fault, then you have the most power to fix them. This is the problem with all these political ideologies, they tell you not to fix what you do have control over, by dist

                  • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                    I guess you have no idea how much feminists argue over patriarchy then...

                    Yes, the "someone else's fault" thing is very comforting and powerful, that's why it's popular with conservatives. Look at Trump for an example - it's all immigrant's fault, and we can do the most simplistic and obvious thing to fix it, build a wall. It's so mind-bogglingly simplistic and wrong, but very easy to communicate.

        • by malkavian ( 9512 )

          No, there isn't a correlation between education and rejection of hard right ideology.
          There's a high correlation between certain courses in universities and hard left ideology that alters the Overton Window so far on a skew that centrist conversation becomes indistinguishable from far right ideology.

          You do realise that "the enemy" and "the one to blame" is exactly what the ultra left ideologies of identity politics enshrine as virtue, yes? And agreed, that simplicity is very attractive. I see very little d

    • Well he didnâ(TM)t pick 359 leftist channels, and even if they did even left is now centre, so they wouldnâ(TM)t notice
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      How much left wing terrorism is there?

      I'll give you the answer: 3%.
      https://www.adl.org/media/1248... [adl.org]

      People who actually know about this stuff say that left and right wing terrorism cannot be equated. https://www.euractiv.com/secti... [euractiv.com]

      That's why the focus is on the far right. It's mostly them committing acts of terrorism. And the far left stuff is mostly a reaction to the far right, so if you fix the far right it will probably go away by itself anyway.

      • by malkavian ( 9512 ) on Friday January 31, 2020 @08:11AM (#59674276)

        What I'm finding funny in your link is the article's own admission that the legal system is heavily biased to attribute certain things to far right, even when they're not, and a great lack of legal focus on the far left, that are just as dangerous.
        So what you're saying is "If we alter the rules, so that the rules classify what we don't like as bad, then we're fully justified in saying that more bad things are happening, therefore we're fully justified in taking very strong action against bad".
        This is actually what tyranny looks like.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:24PM (#59672888)
    to the left. There was a time I thought Joe Biden was a middle class kind of guy on my side, then I started watching left leaning [youtu.be] YouTube Channels [youtu.be]

    This isn't to say YouTube's all good [youtu.be]. The 1% have been funding all sorts of fun things [unkochmycampus.org] in non-traditional media.

    But let's face it, CNN & MSNBC are not liberal [youtube.com]. Sanders called them out multiple times for being anti-single payer since they take tons of insurance company money. If the media has a bias it's an establishment bias [youtube.com], YouTube and other anti-establishment outlets give us all a way out.
    • The problem with the extreme lefitst viewpoints such as the ones you link to is that they prioritize ideology above all else. Ideology is important, but pragmatism is equally important. Bernie's too uncompromising to be a good president.

      Although I'm not voting for him, I've accepted that Biden will be the nominee. It would be really surprining if the all the data were wrong. I just hope he makes the right decision and brings Stacy Abrahms on as his VP. If anyone know about how to turn out the vote, it's her

      • The only thing pragmatic about pragmatism are the times when a person can admit that they are wrong. Admitting so does not contradict ideology, it hones it.
    • Bernie Sanders needs more money. He can't do it without you. Give him your money. Take out loans. Go into debt. Give everything to Bernie.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Secular Talk isn't really left leaning. Kyle believes in absolute freedom of speech and strongly opposes political correctness, for example. He describes himself as a libertarian and supports the death penalty.

      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/... [rationalwiki.org]

      Bernie is a little left of centre maybe, depends on the specific policy. By the standards of European politics he is more like a liberal democrat and say a socialist.

      So maybe it's more like you have been "radicalized" to the centre ground. Is radical centrist an oxymor

  • If you're dropping out of society or if society is failing (you), chances are you're going to go for explanations that makes the problem easy to grasp and external. The "intellectual darkweb" (stupid term IMHO) my be something of a gateway drug that leads people into a narrative loop that radicalised them. That's the mechanism that made Hitler big.

    A regular person might hear Jordan Peterson and think "OK, that guy say some plausible things but he also is a bit winy at points" whilst someone else might think after a while :"What a wuss. This interweb Nazi talks the real deal and what we must do about it." IMHO it's easy to see how some sorry dropout can go from one to the other in a year or two. It's about encroachment on to what can be said and thought and eventually put into action which radicalises society.

    • by Aighearach ( 97333 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:42PM (#59672946)

      I mostly watch educational and kpop videos. The comments on the kpop videos create an echo chamber demanding radicalized cuteness from the fans, to show solidarity with the cuteness of the artists.

      The educational video comments are just hero worship, and ignorance-virtue-signaling. "You're so smart, I don't know what you said but it sounded really important!"

    • Meanwhile back in reality, the far right calls Jordan Peterson "Juden Peterstein" and say he's controlled opposition funded by Hollywood Jews to keep White men on the liberal plantation.

      If your average Boomer MAGAtard is a far right neo nazi, what do you call the people who have nicknamed Donald Trump (that scion of neo-nazism) "Zion Don" on account of his slavish devotion to the state of Israel?

    • It's true, the disinherited masses who have seen a precipitous decline in standard of living under the disastrously failed bipartisan economic policies of the last forty years do tend to seek out explanations that go beyond the usual Establishment nostrums.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      "Intellectual darkweb" is just a brand name designed to make you think you are entering a subversive, secret world where illegal thoughts are whispered in the dark and the REAL truth can be told. Of course it's nonsense, most of it is on YouTube (not even demonetized) and normal web sites you can find on Google.

  • by SmaryJerry ( 2759091 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:25PM (#59672894)
    The Article: "found evidence that users who engaged with a middle ground of extreme right-wing content migrated to commenting on the most fringe far-right content" So they specifically looked into communities associated with "a middle ground of extreme right-wing content," however you can be middle ground of the extreme is beyond me.. but anyway, then they found they also commented on "far-right" content.... The semantics here is driving me nuts. Then they define categories of "Media, the Alt-lite, the Intellectual Dark Web (IDW) and the Alt-right." Whatever the hell those are? It really sounds like they defined channels with their own definitions, then found that some users post on multiple channels that fell into different groups they defined. I am picturing the Obama placing a medal on himself meme.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Rockoon ( 1252108 )
      According to those people, the Alt-Right is people like Dave Ruben, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, and Jordan Peterson.

      Given that, whats "far right" content? Anything to the right of these leftists?
    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      Are you taking issue with their imprecise usage of terms, their view on what is middle vs. extreme, or the idea that any such distinction can exist at all? Are you trying to invalidate everything they have to say merely because of the the expression "middle ground of extreme...". Are you that petty? Of course you are, thus the Obama reference at the end.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      "Far-right" in the estimation of the far-left ideologues that dominate academia who find concepts like "Rule of Law", "Free Speech", and "Legal Immigration" to be alt-right terrorism.
  • by AddisonEzekiel ( 921181 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:36PM (#59672922)
    I worry that papers like this become the foundation of 'peer reviewed' papers leading to the need for censoring youtube et al. I tried to read the paper, but found: - there was no methodology identifying the starting points: IDW, alt-lite. How does Rogan (a liberal) end up grouped with Shapiro (a conservative Jew)? There may be a good rationale, but I'd like to hear what the objective measures were to categorize those sites. - there was a presumption that the recs point only towards white supremacists. Why not the other way? Lacking both, it was hard to make heads nor tails, other than it seemed to be sloppy work. And was probably peer reviewed by the same folks who brought us the infamous dog park rape culture. https://www.thecollegefix.com/... [thecollegefix.com]
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      This isn't a peer reviewed scientific paper, it's a study presented at a conference intended to direct further debate and research. That's why it doesn't identify the starting points in as much detail as you want, it's not intended for someone like you who is unfamiliar with the topic. Everyone at the conference knows what the alt-lite is.

      "Alt-lite" is a term coined to describe those on the periphery of the alt-right. Some people are further out than others.

      Shapiro, for example, has a few fairly hard right

  • by jin choung ( 6222568 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:45PM (#59672962)
    can only radicalize towards the right? no radical leftist "struggle session" activity in the webs? pfffft... sure sure, we'll accept a study on a group done by their opponents. yeah. that's totally sound.
  • by PrimaryConsult ( 1546585 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:48PM (#59672970)

    Funny, just last month CNBC (hardly a right wing outlet) reported on research that came to the opposite conclusion [cnbc.com].

    YouTube also seems to have forcibly made Fox News the primary recommendation on any video that even slightly leans right.

    YouTube (the company/algorithm) is not radicalizing people. If people happen to find far-right content of their own accord through people in one channel recommending it the old fashioned way (posting links), that's a function of an uncensored platform, and would happen on the most vanilla of websites so long as there is no censorship of ideas.

  • The mechanism is simple. The consumer trusts opinions of others. If they trust opinions of the more extreme then they'll end up consuming extreme material.

    • This just in reading Slashdot leads to group-think.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      People look for content they want to spend their limited number of free hours after work in a day with.
      If the left is boring, safe why waste an hour with a political left national broadcasters fake news?

      Get on the internet and enjoy some fun, creative, new US content with no censorship on any side of politics.
      If thats what people in the EU like, thats their ISP money, time and effort to invest.
      Its funny, creative, on time, not controlled by some gov/NGO/think tank...

      Its the users hours to spend on th
  • by Arzaboa ( 2804779 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @09:17PM (#59673086)

    What we are seeing is humans in their natural environments acting like humans. What we are seeing are the volumes of people that did not go to Yale, Harvard or another $400k school speaking their minds.

    We are hearing in real time what has gone on forever. People are fearful, rash, and quick to decide. The internet didn't make people racist. What the internet did was make it so that when two random people communicate, others could listen. It seems that what they are reading, they don't like.

    You don't fix the world by banning other people. All diplomacy starts with the most simple greeting ever: 'Hi, my name is...'
    --
    Hi! My name is (what?) [youtube.com] - Eminem

    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      You completely misunderstand. The comments are evidence of radicalization, not what causes it.

  • Radicalization (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Livius ( 318358 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @09:40PM (#59673180)

    I'm sure if I took the time I could find these so-called "far right ideologies", but so far everything I've seen that was alleged to be far right or alt right or whatever was simply reasonable criticism of the lunatic fringe left.

    I suspect radicalization is a natural development of anything that is an echo chamber and that it has occurred in every media format going back to antiquity - it's just the vastly accelerated with modern technologies. Not long ago the right wing had a shocking lack of self-awareness as to its own tunnel vision, but now it's the left which has turned into its own fundamentalist religion with blind faith replacing even the pretext of principles.

    And I imagine the pendulum will swing back in time.

  • Ever see Reddit? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by i'm probably drunk ( 6159770 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @09:53PM (#59673206)
    Extreme left-wing content all over the place.
  • The neoliberal left has no vision and offers no hope. They're losing in the face of essentially any other platform that stands for something besides milking the cocks of the elite.
    • What exactly is "the elite"? I hear that term being used but nobody really could offer a sensible definition of it so far. Usually it descends into some conspiracy bullshit pretty quickly.

  • So is there something like the laws of thermodynamics that apply to extremism ? someone can only get more extreme...

    I've heard interviews of people that once held extreme views that seem to have come to their senses, so it's not as if there is no way back. I wonder of these gateways can work both ways and act as on on-ramp to more moderate points of view.

    The interviews I've heard generally describe people struggling to maintain a hard line when confronted with reality in the form of finding out someone they

  • No definition (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ChrisMaple ( 607946 ) on Thursday January 30, 2020 @10:36PM (#59673284)
    Neither the summary nor the first cited article identifies what "extreme right" is. This is intentional, so that racists, totalitarians, freedom-lovers, conservatives, religious people, etc. can all be tarred with the same brush, pretending that there is no difference among those.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Hit the nail on the head. Here's a better way of saying it:

      "If you stand up against the radical left, you're in a group that also has Nazis in it. Because the Nazis also stand up against the radical left. So it's perfectly reasonable, from a strategic perspective, for the radical left to say, "you're against us, how do we know you're not a Nazi?" Well, statistically, I'm probably not. But you could say at least the question is open. It's motivated epithet slinging, because if I'm reasonable, and I'm s

      • Hit the nail on the head. Here's a better way of saying it:

        It's a more long winded way of saying it, that's for sure. I mean Peterson's general mode of operation is never to use 1 word where 15 (ideally involving lobsters) would do.

    • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

      With the exception of "freedom-lovers," the lines between the various groups you listed are becoming increasingly blurry. For example, I'll bet you can't name even one politician on either side who admits that zoning laws rob our freedoms and property rights and perpetuate racial segregation [slate.com].

      It's so sad that we no longer allow cities to grow organically like we used to. We've regulated (a.k.a. centrally planned [wikipedia.org]) the charm out of them in order to build entire subdivisions of boring tract homes, the American

  • "Non-profits, as well as the media, have hypothesized the existence of a radicalization pipeline on YouTube, claiming that users systematically progress towards more extreme content on the platform. Yet, there is to date no substantial quantitative evidence of this alleged pipe ... Processing 72M+ comments, we show that the three channel types indeed increasingly share the same user base; that users consistently migrate from milder to more extreme content; and that a large percentage of users who consume Al
  • "Research [...] supports the notion that YouTube's platform is playing a role in radicalizing users via exposure to far-right ideologies."

    Please clarify that sentence, because the way it is worded would mean that people read or see that ideology and go "hey, they're right". Or, let's put it another way, you can expose me to radical religious nutjob videos all day without me even remotely considering that they have any valid point. You can't get people to support an ideology if they are not inclined to agree

  • Wow -- given all the highest-voted comments on this post, maybe the researchers should consider Slashdot for their next study of online radicalization.
  • Isn't this how YT works? Or at least the recommendation system it uses.
    We've seen posts on /. before on how clicking on yt recommendations is like going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole.
    You start out with something rather mild and within 10 clicks you're watching some extreme hardcore stuff.

  • What about far left? Is that the Dork web they're talking about?
  • by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Friday January 31, 2020 @10:42AM (#59674712)
    First, the study has a leftwards bias in determining its baseline. They list 16 media channels they identify as used as a control and sanity check, which they claim range over, "Left, Left-Center, Center, Right, Center, Right". The source from which they got this list, mediabiasfactcheck.com, identifies all 16 as left to center-left.

    So, right off the bat the foundations of the study are horribly skewed. What they seem to consider as the center is somewhere out on the left, so even the actual center will appear to be at least center-right, if not more extreme.

    They also fail to provide any definition for the range of ideologies they're writing about, giving examples of people or outlets they consider, "alt-right, alt-lite, or 'intellectual dark web'", but apart from claiming (without clear rationale) that "white supremacy" is an ideology present in the "Alt-right", they provide no clear standards. They talk about "contrarian" channels and individuals, identify them as "intellectual dark web", or "alt-lite", but what those people argue against is clearly identified as recent left-wing movements, and many of the "contrarians" are liberals or apolitical. People who would have been considered quite Liberal twenty years ago, but reject current "progressive" movements (Jordan Petersen, Joe Rogan. Really, Joe Rogan. The guy who just endorsed Sanders.).

    What they seem to be showing is not right-wing radicalization, but the rejection of new and increasingly radical left-wing ideologies that the authors seem to share and believe are centrist.

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