Cisco to Acquire Linksys 256
forged writes "The Boston Globe is reporting that networking giant Cisco Systems plans to acquire Linksys later this year for $500M, thus entering the consumer market. Linksys also has a press release. The good news is that those who bought a Linksys access point now have a Cisco access point for 1/2 of the price ;)"
Sweet! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sweet! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Sweet! (Score:3, Interesting)
First of all initial setup will be hard, especially if your rolling you own and not using a floppy router distro.
Secondly, it can be hard to avoid the temptation not to strip down the system to bare minimum.
The best thing to do is have two similar machines running the same OS, one as a router a
Is Cisco the new Microsoft? (Score:5, Interesting)
What do you guys think of Cisco, as a corporation? I remember seeing an article on Wired years ago about how happy the employees were about working there.
Things may have changed now, though.
tmegapscm
Re:Is Cisco the new Microsoft? (Score:5, Insightful)
At least I still have the copies that I downloaded several months ago...
They packages are in debian unstable (Score:2)
You can get PortSentry [debian.org] and Logcheck [debian.org] from the Debian unstable mirrors.
If you're on Red Hat, SuSE, etc, then you can use alien [rpmfind.net] to convert the debs to rpm (make sure that you have the Alien::Package::* perl modules installed). You can also grab the Red Hat 7.3 PortSentry package from freshrpms.net [freshrpms.net] if that's all you need.
-B
Re:Is Cisco the new Microsoft? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Is Cisco the new Microsoft? (Score:2)
Re:Is Cisco the new Microsoft? (Score:2, Informative)
I've been there for more than 5 years, so consider me biased
-- Loudog
-- Stamp out phase jitter!
Re:Is Cisco the new Microsoft? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Is Cisco the new Microsoft? (Score:2)
Secondly there are several different types of monopolies, not all of which are bad. Take wal-mart - they have a near monopoly. They got there, and maintain it, by offering services very cheap for what you get. Large grocery stores ran out small busineses by offering the same food much cheaper. No one raelly complains about them (some do) because they use thier near monoply to offer cheap good and do not really abuse thier position. If a
Re:Is Cisco the new Microsoft? (Score:2)
All that hardware they "gave" to companies that went out of business is in the hands of the highest bidder -- Cisco getting nearly nothing in return -- and now being sold on the used hardware markets (again, Cisco gets zero income. And if you can buy it used, why pay Cisco 10x more for new?) It used to be, you could put a support contract on anything with a Cisco logo o
And the bad news... (Score:4, Funny)
The good news is that those who bought a Linksys access point now have a Cisco access point for 1/2 of the price ;)
The bad news is that those who buy Cisco access points in the future will have a Linksys access point for twice the price ;)
Re:And the bad news... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:And the bad news... (Score:5, Funny)
When a woman changes her name by getting married, she also stops sucking.
nothing magic about it though
Re:And the bad news... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:And the bad news... (Score:5, Informative)
UP, not down. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:UP, not down. (Score:2)
Then more people will buy D-Link, which is comparable from my experience. (using Linksys home router and dlink pcmcia cards, myself)
Re:And the bad news... (Score:2, Insightful)
And I just picked up a Siemens 4 port 10/100 router for $30. The 2 port version a friend bought was even $19.95.
Given the profit Office Depot makes and the shipping costs all the way from China, I'm wondering if Cisco knows how to make money on products that can not cost more than 2-5 dollar "out of the factory".
Manager: Jeff, your bonus for the 1st quarter is $ 2.95
Re:And the bad news... (Score:2)
FP! (Score:3, Insightful)
Cisco Commercials (Score:2)
They may maintain Linksys as a sub-brand, or a 'line' of consumer products, but I expect all their products will carry the Cisco brand prominently. Perhaps 'Ciso Inside'?
At any rate, Cisco is one of the few companies that makes the acquisition game work. They have a history of successfully digesting acquired companies, integra
Expect a price hike for Linksys equipment (Score:3, Interesting)
The good news is that those who bought a Linksys access point now have a Cisco access point for 1/2 of the price
That is, until Cisco raises the price on all the devices sold under its Linksys brand by oh, about 50 percent so that it doesn't compete with Cisco brand devices.
Re:Expect a price hike for Linksys equipment (Score:5, Insightful)
That doesn't make any sense. If Cisco raised the prices by 50%, then the Linksys stuff WOULD compete with Cisco, since they'll now be in similar price categories. How on earth is Cisco going to differentiate Linksys vs Cisco if this occurs? Makes more sense that Linksys continues to be the low price option and Cisco to be the corp. higher price option. Remember, Linksys is in the consumer market, Cisco almost exclusively in the corporate. Linksys would get killed by the Netgears and SMC's of the world with such a price hike.
Re:Expect a price hike for Linksys equipment (Score:2)
The Linksys stuff will be the stuff that doesn't work. ;)
Sorry, I'm bitter about the very poor performance of my Linksys AP/4port Router.
Re:Expect a price hike for Linksys equipment (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Expect a price hike for Linksys equipment (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Expect a price hike for Linksys equipment (Score:3, Insightful)
No.
Cisco will continue to sell it's business-side stuff AND now home-use stuff as well.
Expect Linksys to lose any meaningful features (Score:2)
By stripping out these "high end" features from low-end products, Cisco can force you to buy the much more expensive Cisco product instead.
1/2 the price, sure... (Score:4, Insightful)
And 1/4 the quality!
Re:1/2 the price, sure... (Score:4, Interesting)
Finally, I gave up and told him to email tech support. Turns out that particular card shares a plug and play ID with a card that takes totally different drivers. You have to determine the driver you need by looking at markings on the card! For those of you who have dealt with PnP you know this is a horrible sin. The whole idea of PnP was to let the computer figure this stuff out.
Re:1/2 the price, sure... (Score:2)
Re:1/2 the price, sure... (Score:5, Insightful)
People have bought into Wireless. People have bought into broadband routers, and SOHO firewall appliances. The home networking market is exploding, and Cisco can no longer afford to ignore it as a means of adding to their bottom line.
Besides, who doesn't love the WET-11?
warranty exploitation (Score:2, Funny)
Re:warranty exploitation (Score:2)
That would be awesome! I just got a Linksys 802.11G AP, and if it was replaced with Cisco hardware, I'd be one happy guy.
-BrentRe:warranty exploitation (Score:2)
Re:warranty exploitation (Score:2)
As of right now, Cisco does not have any 802.11g radios, so rest assured you're not getting Cisco-branded replacements at this point.
Cisco was slow getting 802.11a radios out the door, obviously it's going to be the same with 802.11g.
Both the Cisco AP1200s and the Cisco AP1100s will be field-upgradable to 802.11g -- the 1200s will be able to run 802.11g and 802.11a radio simultaneousl
Um... (Score:2, Insightful)
The mind boggles.
- A.P.
Re:Um... (Score:2, Funny)
Anyone willing to toss salad deserves more money.
Does this mean my CCNA certs (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Does this mean my CCNA certs (Score:2, Funny)
In the end just leads to more domination (Score:4, Insightful)
In the end it will probably just help create a new MS-like giant. I've never been a fan av any kind of corporate giant.
Buy them to kill them... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Buy them to kill them... (Score:4, Insightful)
I do not think they are trying to put them out of the market but trying to offer a Cisco product line that meets all needs from bottom to top. In the enterprise world, most purchases are done because you already have an existing companies product so why not buy them for everything. Hell, I'd bet most large companies would seriously consider Cisco PC's or heaven forbid Microsoft business class routers and switches if they were offered.
Most companies do not selectively choose individual lines unless they have too. It is not surprising to see Compaq servers, Compaq san's, Compaq tape backups, and Compaq PC's and laptops on every desk and server room in a corporate environment.
Re:Buy them to kill them... (Score:3, Informative)
This is typically because a)companies obtain better volume pricing by sticking with a single vendor, and b)companies many times prefer to have a single point of contact for support issues. And not surprisingly, with things such as tape backups and SAN's, you're es
Re:Buy them to kill them... (Score:2)
Great... (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe Lynksys can support another platform! (Score:5, Interesting)
Hey, why'd you all get quiet all of a sudden?
Uh, I have to go...
Re:Maybe Lynksys can support another platform! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Maybe Lynksys can support another platform! (Score:2, Interesting)
That's how I upgraded my WET11 to fix a security bug!
Re:Maybe Lynksys can support another platform! (Score:2, Insightful)
One has to wonder... (Score:2)
This Sucks!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
I like LinkSys products because they are functional and cheap. Ciscos products are functional, robust but not cheap. I guess Cisco is getting scared of the competition, and decided to crush them...
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
Huh? How is Linksys competition to Cisco. Linksys stuff is primarily aimed at the home/small office. Cisco stuff is targeted towards corps/isps/large installs. I've never heard an IT guy for a large install saying "Gee should I go with Aironet or the WAP11" or Joe Bob saying, "I wonder if it's worth it to pay 10x more for an Aironet wap vs the Linksys". Cisco apparently wants into the lowend market. Where you do have a point is to see how long Cisco keeps the Linksys name. Do you lose consumer familiarity with Linksys to push the "prestige" of the Cisco name?
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
When Joe Sixport decides to buy a DSL connection, paying for a single computer, then hooking up his wife and kids on a LAN with a cheap little LinkSys, Cisco's big customer, the DSL provider gets stiffed. So Cisco's ability to grossly overcharge for hardware is undermined.
So when home routers triple in price to where Joe Sixport can no longer afford them, the DSL company wins, and Cisco also wins. They won't be selling home routers at 5% profit. They'll b
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:2)
But your assuming that the Netgears and SMC's and Belkins et al of the world are going to jump right in. If Cisco triples the price of the Linksys internet router, then people will just buy the $5 more expensive Netgear (or whoever). It's hard to fathom that Cisco would be stupid enough to think that something like that would be even remotely successful.
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:2)
Functional, cheap
Robust, functional
Robust, cheap
Hmmm... I'll take #1; It's good for me, but not for Cisco!
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:2)
So functional, robust and cheap can be done... just depends on what side of the fence you are on.
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:2)
Bay Networks: the other Cisco. High end stuff, high end price, worth every penny.
Netgear: the other Linksys. Cheap, dependable hardware.
Could it be that Cisco is just trying to compete against Bay Networks in all markets?
Re:This Sucks!!! -- I don't think so (Score:2)
But if they had Linksys, then they could try to penetrate the home market and, at the same time, keep their hold on the high-end/business market..
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:2)
> I guess Cisco is getting scared of the competition, and decided to crush them...
Yeah, because LinkSys is the only that makes consumer networking equipment. Net Gear? D-Link? Siemens?
D-Link has been making higher quality routers than Linksys with more features [dlink.com] but same price for years...
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:2)
Not only will that NOT happen, but Cisco would WANT to make Linksys more popular. Change the name to Cisco/Linksys and get people in small offices using them. When they need to step up, they are more likely to use the same brand if they had a good experience. Marketing 102.
IF they are smart, they will use it to build brand loyalty on the low end that will make them more popular for growing companies.
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
Cisco definitly sees this as a stategic buy, but that does not mean they will screw it up, or that they are not going purposly kill off thier product line.
There are a other vendors out their for this type of product, but Cisco grabbed the biggest. Of course they want to stear buisness thier way. But they may not
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:2)
Well your opinion is still welcome, thanks. And I hope you are right about how LinkSys will be delt with. I like thier products.
Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:2)
When Cisco eliminates the home market, instead of buying one DSL connection, and a 4-port LinkSys router, people will be forced to buy 4 DSL connections, which will be handled by much higher-end equipment at the DSL company's CO, which is a much more profitable sale for Cisco. The DSL company simply passes on the costs to the customer.
Not too surprising (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not too surprising (Score:2)
great (Score:2)
Ah, like when Nvidia bought 3DFX? (Score:2, Insightful)
Just me, the Voodoo owner... yes yes... I can and will write my own freaking drivers *grin*
Re:Ah, like when Nvidia bought 3DFX? (Score:2, Insightful)
3DFX made stupid moves, went belly up, and then had its technology bought.
Linksys has good market share in the consumer market and is doing well.
The real difference (Score:5, Insightful)
Linksys:Easy to configure, not very configurable
Ultimately Bad (Score:5, Insightful)
First of all, Cisco now has a lot more to worry about, and they've have lot to worry about lately what with their stock prices fluctuating and a slowly decreasing demand for networking hardware as more and more IT firms belly up and more of the ones who stay in business consolodating their IT servies through hosting firms and the like.
The consumer hardware market is *very* low margin. There's a reason that they call this stuff 'Commodity' hardware... including networking hardware. If Cisco has to play the commodity hardware game for long, they're going to start feeling like having a company come buy them out as well.
Second, the number of players in the networking field keeps getting fewer and fewer. This seems like a good thing for the companies-- they don't have to compete as hard or do as much R&D to stay at the top. What this means for them in the long run, however, is that they become less able to deal with business crises and the advent of new tech. Just look at the way wireless is taking off right now. If you think this technology is done by a long shot or that there aren't new companies sprining up to exploit it, you should study it a little more. Sooner or later there will be a 'powerhouse' company spring up for an aspect of networking that's troublesome for Cisco, and then they'll have problems keeping up and staying competitive if they cut back right now at all.
Okay (Score:2)
Product line changes? (Score:3, Interesting)
Guess it will come down to if CISCO can leave Linksys alone or not.
New CISCO Innovations from Linksys (Score:5, Funny)
no change or cheaper products. (Score:5, Insightful)
IOS (Score:2, Interesting)
I hope this doesn't go through (Score:2)
Once Cisco gets their grubby hands on it, I don't see that sort of black-art stuff continuing. Besides, Linksys stuff is all built on a standard chipset. What would a name like Cisco need Linksys for? It's pretty straightforward to engineer a cable router or a Wifi access point.
Whatever becomes of the LinkSys/Cisco merger I
Re:I hope this doesn't go through (Score:2)
Good News (Score:2)
I hate Linksys so very much. (Score:2)
My WAP11s have bridging and client mode bugs when using the latest public firmware. I had to go to a leaked firmware that was never released. I have a dualband
Good. (Score:3, Interesting)
The bad news (Score:2, Funny)
Yet another Cisco configuration interface (Score:2)
Right now we have CatOS (set/clear), IOS (conf t), old IOS (wr mem), the 1900-series menu interface, the HORRIFIC config system from the Aironet series, CiscoWorks Campus Manager, and that Cluster thingy from the 2950's... now add to that whatever Linksys has... yeah its an exciting time to be a network admin.
Re:Yet another Cisco configuration interface (Score:2)
VoIP (Score:4, Interesting)
At least they are doing something they're good at. (Score:4, Insightful)
The biggest news here is that cisco will finally be able to enter a complete solution into the content delivery market. A company can provide online content with massive high-end cisco name brand stuff, and use the acquired linksys stuff to give them the other end of the pipeline as a complete package.
As more local telco companies are looking at providing high-speed internet access, this becomes very interesting indeed.
How is this possible? (Score:5, Funny)
I work in Wireless Networking... (Score:5, Insightful)
You want something cheap, attractive and easy to setup and use. For those knocking Linksys quality, allow me to let you in on a little secret...they are the best. In the home networking, wireless networking business, Linksys gear rules.
Now yes, I work in wireless networking...but guess what, I don't work for Linksys or Cisco. I work for one of their competitors. Despite my strong sense of company loyalty, I'll still admit freely that Cisco equipment is the best for Corporate networks (duh) and Linksys equipment is the best for Home Networks. People with Home Networks don't care about firewalls, security, layering and routing, they just want their 3 computers online at the same time, with a high speed connection.
btw, before anyone puts words in my mouth. I tried to stress that Linksys has the best quality gear...and they do. I didn't say anything about their tech support, which is "lacking".
Craenor
Hardly good news (Score:2)
The not-so-good news but more likely news is that Cisco will decide not to warranty Linksys [linksys.com] products and will introduce new, Cisco-branded products at a much higher price.
Well, here's to hoping that Microsoft won't buy Logitech [yahoo.com], and Sun won't try to acquire Matrox [matrox.com].
Now LinkSys is going to suck as much as Cisco (Score:2)
True story:
I had an Aironet 340 access point that was missing its antennae and required a damn serial cable and terminal to be configured by command line. I got sick of it, and decided to sell it on eBay. It went for $200 with multiple bids.
After that, I went and bought a D-Link 714P+ [dlink.com] router, which had a built in switch, built in print server (works with Linux, although not supported), SPI, higher encryption (256 bit WEP), twice the speed if you use their hardware, anteannae, and Web Based administrat
Re:Now LinkSys is going to suck as much as Cisco (Score:2, Interesting)
On the high end, I emphatically disagree. Talk to someone who's administering more than one of the platforms you mentioned (3COM, Nortel, Lucent, and Cisco). Ask them which hardware is the most reliable, flexible, configurable (no Windows-only Java programs needed), has the best web site support, and in general, has rarely if ever let them down in a pinch? Their answer will most
On the AP side (Score:3, Interesting)
Cisco and the Home Market (Score:2)
I set up a very small network for an ex-Cisco exec. Didn't know who he was at the time, and just dropped in a Netgear NAT router to handle everything. Worked great.
Chatted with him about it later, and appearantly he had a conversation with some of his old buds at Cisco and asked them why Cisco wasn't the right solution for his network (3 PC, Internet access).
So, he told me about how Cisco tried to
It's the (smart) Walmart way... (Score:5, Insightful)
The reason I say it's the Walmart way is because Walmart provides just about everything you can think of that is smaller than a car - some of the Walmarts where I live actually have the Walmart Appliance section. Walmart sells clothing, food, tools, etc.
Most individuals looking for high quality (cost) goods will not be purchasing their designer fashions at Walmart. Instead, they choose to go to Dillards, Parisians, Eddie Bauer, and other higher quality - smaller customer base distributors. Yet, when you look at it in the end - who makes the most money (by a huge margin)? You guessed it - Walmart.
The vast majority of consumers are middle-class to lower-class individuals. Many companies that have taken a huge beating in the market place are looking for cost cutting measures. 40 Linksys switches or 10 Cisco switches for the same cost? The "Linksys line by Cisco" would be like the "Great Value" Walmart brand. The Cisco native branded equipment, I would imagine, would be for the people who still want to shop at Eddie Bauer, etc.
Linksys is a highly popular choice for cable companies who provide their broadband service because it's extraordinarily cheap with a pretty decent track record. Cisco acquires not only Linksys, but its existing relationship with all of the companies who buy Linksys equipment in bulk. As a result, Cisco gains market share into an arena it previously untapped venture without having to invest the capital to pursue moving into an already crowded arena.
I would imagine the Linksys brand name would stay around for quite a while (much like the legacy of USRobotics when purchased by 3Com) to diversify the two segments of the company for marketing purposes.
The only caveat to this acquisition is the fact that it was a purchase of another company. Many companies which made acquisitions before the dot-bomb crash did not efficiently integrate the companies, and they ended up either being dead-weights or misused to the point of extinction. Only time will tell.
Re:It's the (smart) Walmart way... (Score:2, Interesting)
Upon closing of the acquisition, Linksys' business will be operated as a division of Cisco, and its products will continue to be sold under the Linksys brand through its existing retail, distributor and e-commerce channels. In addition, Linksys will have access to Cisco's sales infrast
Re:Cisco pissed me off yesterday (Score:2)
$100 for the hardware, $200 for stupid support. (Score:2)
Cisco 675: Free with DSL, $245 to fix bugs. (Score:3, Informative)