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U.S. Offers $50 Download 470

chill writes "CNN is reporting that the U.S. Government is offering low-quality images of its new $50 bill for artists, students and others who discover that their computers, scanners or printers won't allow them to view or copy pictures of the new currency, due to mostly-secret anti-counterfeiting measures built-in. This anti-copying technology has been discussed on Slashdot before. Now to go and test my new Epson scanner and printer to see if they're affected!"
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  • by ackthpt ( 218170 ) * on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:11PM (#10405960) Homepage Journal
    due to mostly-secret anti-counterfeiting measures built-in.

    There is, of course, a problem with this. The guy I bulk order my Tin Foil Hats [zapatopi.net] from won't accept them. Maybe this guy [ebay.com] will take them.

  • by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:12PM (#10405971)
    Poor Grant, even after death, has become quiet the specimen. Poor guy. Can't we let him RIP?

    Although I think it's great that we are creating bills that we believe will curb counterfeiting shouldn't we also be working to make them look good? The new colors and everything are nice but definitely overused. It makes the bills look crowded and tacky. Reminds me of a hairdresser with too much makeup. The little yellow 20s and what appear to be 50s on the back of the new color bills are horrid. I looks like I dropped the bills in honey and couldn't clean it all off.

    If I'm gonna pay $50 for a piece of paper it should at least be clean :-)
    • by chill ( 34294 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:16PM (#10406036) Journal
      Uhhh....those little yellow 20s are a major part of the digial anti-counterfeiting measures!

      The pattern of the "0"s is something you'll see on Euros, Pounds and many other currencies. This allows software to easily recognize one pattern, at almost any angle, and not have to have separate code for each country's currency.

      "It's simpler than you might think. All compliant notes bear a pattern of five tiny circles. On the Euro, the circles appear in a constellation of stars; on the British £20 note, they're disguised as musical notation. On the new $US20 note, the pattern is hidden in the zeros of a repeated background pattern of the number 20. Imaging software or devices detect the pattern and won't play ball."

      Check it out at http://www.listener.co.nz/default,1412.sm

      -Charles
      • Indeed, as a Brit I can confirm that they are on all of our banknotes.

        Here's some more info [cam.ac.uk] about it.
      • by Spoing ( 152917 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:38PM (#10406336) Homepage
        1. "It's simpler than you might think. All compliant notes bear a pattern of five tiny circles. On the Euro, the circles appear in a constellation of stars; on the British £20 note, they're disguised as musical notation. On the new $US20 note, the pattern is hidden in the zeros of a repeated background pattern of the number 20. Imaging software or devices detect the pattern and won't play ball."

        If that's the case -- and even if the specific detail of the 5 dots is in error -- I don't see this thwarting counterfitters much. Yes, casual copiers or someone who wants to have a $$$ design for a wallpaper or brochure will be puzzled.

        One idea that comes immediately to mind is to copy overlapping sections of a bill and piece the parts together. This could be found by trial and error, so it's no big deal!

        • by loraksus ( 171574 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:48PM (#10406468) Homepage
          There is a "banknote patch" for Photoshop CS, which makes the protection useless.
        • by andrew_0812 ( 592089 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:54PM (#10406545)
          I don't see this thwarting counterfitters much. Yes, casual copiers or someone who wants to have a $$$ design for a wallpaper or brochure will be puzzled.

          Thats just it. Lately the Government has had more problems with the casual Xerox copyier counterfitters and the HP Scanner/Printer counterfitters than professional ones. They will always have problems with professional counterfitters. But they are few and far between. If anyone that owns a scanner can produce a realistic looking bill, that is a big problem. There are a lot of people out there who will not see the potential ramifications of their actions, and think that it is a fun test. "Can I make somebody take a fake $20?"

          These causal counterfitters are the hardest ones to catch. Especially the "smart" ones who only do it once or twice. If you keep it up, you will get caught. The Feds are our protection against professional counterfitters, more than the nature of the bill.
          • by mreed911 ( 794582 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @03:18PM (#10407600)
            There are a lot of people out there who will not see the potential ramifications of their actions, and think that it is a fun test. "Can I make somebody take a fake $20?"

            The guys across the hall from me in college did this. Realized that the optical scanners in vending machines in those days (they'd just started taking dollars) only scanned in black and white and were doing pattern recognition. They copied a bunch of bills and used them all over campus. Morons, though - they used MOST of them in the machines in our OWN dorm.

            These causal counterfitters are the hardest ones to catch. Especially the "smart" ones who only do it once or twice. If you keep it up, you will get caught. The Feds are our protection against professional counterfitters, more than the nature of the bill.

            Yep - the Secret Service enjoys finding counterfeiters... just ask my /former/ college buddies.
          • by swb ( 14022 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @05:03PM (#10408727)
            If you keep it up, you will get caught.

            I've always thought (note to Secret Service: as thought experiment only, never acted on) that you could keep up small-time counterfeiting for years without a lot of problems.

            Where people seem to get in trouble is when they get greedy and want a lot of money fast.

            Instead, you'd think you could generate a small amount of cash (say, $200 a week) via change machines and probably spend another $200 or so in other coin/bill operated machines and as direct cash in various high-traffic cash situations (parking garages, bars, food stands, etc) where the volume of transactions eliminates any verification options.

            You'd never want to use denominations over $10 (although some isolated change machines or co-ops might take $20s), especially for cash transactions, and probably never more than a single bill at a time.

            It basically serves as "walking around" money -- $200-$400 per week in cash that won't show up as assets to the IRS or arouse any suspicion. In a large city with more change machines, you might be able to generate more cash, although to be safe you'd want to minimize your visits to the same change machines.

            Anyway, this always occured to me as the "safe" way to counterfeit. The level of money generated stays below everyone's radar screen, the denominations are small enough and involve enough machines that they might not even be found to be counterfeit until they were so far removed from the transaction as to be impossible to trace without a level of effort that wouldn't pay off.
            • Anyway, this always occured to me as the "safe" way to counterfeit. The level of money generated stays below everyone's radar screen, the denominations are small enough and involve enough machines that they might not even be found to be counterfeit until they were so far removed from the transaction as to be impossible to trace without a level of effort that wouldn't pay off.

              Interesting theory, give it a try and let us know how it worked out when you're released from custody. The problem with this think

      • by TwistedSpring ( 594284 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:45PM (#10406440) Homepage
        I think the hologram on british pounds and the euros might give the game away. You can't scan a hologram.
        • by JohnFluxx ( 413620 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @02:44PM (#10407194)
          normal holograms are trivial to copy.
          do a contact copy - place the blank hologram on top of one you want to copy, and fire a laser at it :)

          • I've been modded informative, so it seems someone is interested.

            A quick explanation why this works:

            The laser goes though the "blank hologram" (which is a piece of glass with some chemicals on it), then hits the hologram behind. The light from the hologram behind bounces back. Now you have the original incomming light, and the reflected light. The two interfere, and make an interference pattern. The chemicals capture this interference pattern. now when you shine light through it, the light interferes
      • by Anonymous Coward
        So, can I use that too to copy-protect my own documents, just by including those circle-patterns in my logo, for example ?
      • The difference is that the "Eurion" pattern, as it's called, is done TASTEFULLY on other country's notes.

        On the US notes it looks like an afterthought, stamped-on in a rush.
    • Actually, though I do think the bills look a bit odd as they are now, I think it would make more sense to make each denomination a different base color entirely, kinda like monopoly money. Sure, it sounds silly, but I've been in foreign countries where they do exactly that, and let me tell you, it's a lot easier to tell the bills apart at a glance that way.
    • by sharkey ( 16670 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:52PM (#10406522)
      Poor Grant, even after death, has become quiet the specimen.

      Dead people usually ARE quiet specimens. If they aren't, it's a pretty good indication that there's something wrong.

  • Damn (Score:5, Funny)

    by BgJonson79 ( 129962 ) <srsmith@alum.wBOYSENpi.edu minus berry> on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:13PM (#10405990)
    I mis-read the title. I thought Uncle Sam was going to give me $50 for downloading stuff. If it was pr0n, I'd be set for life.
  • images (Score:5, Informative)

    by MankyD ( 567984 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:16PM (#10406031) Homepage
    Not sure if these are exactly what are being referred to, but here are pdf images of the $50 and $20:

    $50 front [moneyfactory.com]
    $50 back [moneyfactory.com]
    $20 front [moneyfactory.com]
    • Re:images (Score:4, Funny)

      by nomadic ( 141991 ) <`nomadicworld' `at' `gmail.com'> on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:38PM (#10406340) Homepage
      "Uhh, sure it's a real bill, look, it has a picture of President Ulysses S. Specimen on it!"
  • How many? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dmuth ( 14143 ) <.doug.muth+slashdot. .at. .gmail.com.> on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:17PM (#10406053) Homepage Journal
    I wonder how many stupid kids with color pritners are gonna try printing these up anyway, trying them out in change machines, and do other stupid things with them?
    • by Kenja ( 541830 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:25PM (#10406161)
      "I wonder how many stupid kids with color pritners are gonna try printing these up anyway, trying them out in change machines, and do other stupid things with them?"

      Almost as many as the number of stupid 7-11 etc clerks that will except the copies.

  • by otisg ( 92803 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:18PM (#10406058) Homepage Journal
    Are they open-sourcing the $50 bill? Can we fork it?
  • Counterfiting (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ziak ( 807893 ) * on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:18PM (#10406063)
    Couterfiting occurs because people are careless, yes the technology helps prevent it somewhat, but after working as a cashier in my midteens I was amased to how my fellow coworks would get fake bills and accept it... some of them looked so fake it was unbelivable.... also when i worked as a cahsier i noticed that these pens ( our only tool we where told to use to prevent counterfits) could easily able to give the wrong results on conterfits by just simply coating the paper with a fake plastic not enough to really feel it because of this it never alowed the ink to change color idefenying counterfit...
  • Just to compare (Score:5, Informative)

    by Sophrosyne ( 630428 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:19PM (#10406068) Homepage
    Here are the new Canadian 20$ bills. [bankofcanada.ca]
    the site has some info on the new security features on this bill- there are also new 100$ bills, the only thing missing is new $50 bills.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Crap, I thought they had pirated software on their website... :-(
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:19PM (#10406075)
    Our money is so gay!
    -Brazilian kidnappers.
  • What about the Lego Chocolate Printer [slashdot.org]? I remember as a kid eating chocolate coins but I want to eat chocolate bills!! :)
  • by thedillybar ( 677116 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:20PM (#10406100)
    Photoshop'd image here. [spymac.net]

    Laugh. It's funny.

  • 50s (Score:3, Funny)

    by coyotedata ( 644211 ) <info@runanywhere.com> on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:22PM (#10406129) Homepage Journal
    We are just a step away from Monopoly Money becoming the the Official US Currency.
  • moneyfactory.com?! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:23PM (#10406140) Homepage
    It's wierd that the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving and Printing has the web site moneyfactory.com [slashdot.org]. The web site itself is even wierder. Uncut currency? Framed bills? Custom serial numbers? 5lb bags of shredded currency? It's like the Franklin Mint, only cheezier.
    • by g1zmo ( 315166 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:40PM (#10406358) Homepage
      If you go to one of the currency plants there is a gift shop where you can buy all of these things and more. I've never been to the one in D.C., but I have been to the one near my home in Fort Worth, TX (these are the only two places in the world where U.S. money is printed). I have an uncut sheet of $1 bills hanging in a frame on my wall. I also have a few bags of the shredded money you mentioned, as well as a clicky-pen with shredded money in it and probably a few other cheesy things too. My father gave me this stuff when the plant was being built a few years back (maybe 10 years ago???) because he was an architect that worked on the building. He also took me and my brothers on the public tour, which was pretty neat. I've never seen so much money in my life - pallets of currency stacked 6-8 feet high, with millions of dollars just sitting there.
  • by INeededALogin ( 771371 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:25PM (#10406159) Journal
    Precisely how the technology works is a mystery.

    The Article really makes me want find a way around this technology. I don't want to produce fake money, but more to the point of computer road-blocks are just not cool.

    Some ideas that don't leave me with a less-usable computer:

    Why not have a bar-code on every dollar bill that can validate each bill. If a serial comes up in the same place more than once, then it is fake and disabled. This would be a global database, but not unrealistic.

    Why not continue the push for less paper money. Paper is nice, but it is expensive due to the short length of usage. Usually, the coined money is easily worth its value so producing a fake penny/quarter is not very worth while.

    Stop using money altogether. Credit cards!

    It just bothers me that the government is solving problems by disabling technology instead of leveraging it.
    • by hrieke ( 126185 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:31PM (#10406246) Homepage
      Because there are times when I would like to keep my transactions private.
      Cash is anonymous, credit and every other type you've mention are not.
    • The reason why that can't happen is that Black market, grey market and other illegal activities are a large chunk of the economy that making digitally-traceable money would end up hurting the US... Especially when it comes to the US dollar being used as an international trade currency.
    • If a serial comes up in the same place more than once, then it is fake and disabled. This would be a global database, but not unrealistic.

      No, that would be very unrealistic. Here's just a few reasons why:

      1. If two bills have the same serial number, one of them (the non-counterfeit) is still legal tender.

      2. You'd basically have to require every location that accepts cash transactions, from your bank to the hotdog cart on the corner, to be jacked into a secure financial network. Where's the infrastructu
    • On a similar note, I was thinking about the nature of paper money vs. coins, considering whether it's easier to carry around dollar coins vs. dollar bills, and had to ask myself - if one or the other is generally more convenient, then why are we using both?

      coins - compact, very durable. Harder to fake in some ways, easier in others (slugs in vending machines). A quarter weighs 5.7 grams, a dime 2.3 grams (everything below that is pretty much useless these days, and really we should be using 20 and 50 cen
  • by JUSTONEMORELATTE ( 584508 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:26PM (#10406173) Homepage
    I've been all over the treasury dept's web site, and I can't find anywhere that they offer images for artists, students and others who discover that their computers, scanners or printers won't allow them to view or copy pictures of the new currency.

    They've got images up, as MankyD has pointed out, [slashdot.org] but the whole point seems to be educating people on how to recognize the bills, and how to find the anti-counterfeit gadgets. How did CNN come up with this spin?


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  • by TheFlyingGoat ( 161967 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:31PM (#10406237) Homepage Journal
    Most of the complaints about the anti-copying technology were about using them in art projects, making parodies, etc. Now that people can download copies, in addition to being able to use the graphics in their projects, they can skip having to scan them.

    I did a project in high school a while back on counterfeiting, and anti-counterfeiting techniques. One of the experts in a Nova video said that as computer printers get better, the concern won't be the large scale counterfeiters, since they're easier to track down due to the large volume and equipment needed. It would be people on their home computers scanning money and reprinting it. This was 10-12 years ago, when inexpensive printers didn't have the capability to print that well yet. Not sure if that prediction came true (don't have the SS/Treasury numbers onhand), but it's an interesting historical account.
  • by asoap ( 740625 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:33PM (#10406263)
    Finally the U.S. money is now using 8 year old Canadian technology.


    What are they going to do next? Put kids playing baseball on the five dollar bill???


    -Derek

  • Screw the scanner... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by seanmeister ( 156224 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:33PM (#10406265)
    "Now to go and test my new Epson scanner and printer to see if they're affected!"

    Screw that, I want to test my new microwave oven to see if Grant's eyes explode [prisonplanet.com]!
  • New excuse (Score:2, Funny)

    by JamesP ( 688957 )
    I was SHARING the $50, SHARING, I'm not a thief!!!
  • by kidventus ( 649548 ) * on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:40PM (#10406356) Homepage Journal
    If you download the PDF and save it as a JPG or GIF and try to load it in Photoshop you will get the following text:
    "This application does not support the unauthorized processing of banknote images
    For more information, select the information button below for Internet-Based information for restrictions on copying or distributing banknote images or go to www.rulesforuse.org"

    However, Apple's image preview software opens it fine, as does it's PDF viewer (same software, called "Preview")
    Very disturbing to play with and see how your use of your computer has been taken over by government secret methods that large corporations have agreed to.
    Very 1984... you don't know your software has been compromised until it's already too late.
  • by Jagasian ( 129329 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:40PM (#10406360)
    Opening up the PDF in xpdf for Linux causes the bill to be rendered and a few seconds later, the red colored "SPECIMEN" text is written ontop of the bill. It should be hard to remove this top layer, resulting in a government provided digital copy of a $50 bill. Lovely.

    Didn't the government acidentally make this mistake with CIA documents that had people's names blacked out with a separate top layer, that was easily removed?
  • by lsblogs ( 818271 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:40PM (#10406366) Homepage Journal
    Sounds like a law that has not been well thought out at all.

    There are countless graphics packages out there, that can be used instead of the major players.

    There are indefinate supplies of older scanners that are not protected, not to mention digital cameras.

    I am pretty sure that the major players who counterfit, will just get cracked versions of software or use alternatives, meaning all this is doing is bloating legitimate users software for no real reason.

    The software is provided free, which means it would be relatively easy for a skilled but crooked developer to disable the checks, specially as you would know what you are looking for!

    Is it also pushing the price of hardware up, if they have to include extra memory to hold this software, or is it in the scanner software - computer side?

    I really dont see this stopping anyone other than a total amatuer from scanning banknotes (and may even cause more problems, as if an amateur cant do a bad copy themselves they may look into more professional means of forging. I would rather they did a bad home copy, tried to use it and got caught - meaning one less idiot on the streets forging money).

    Perhaps they would have been better off keeping the whole thing secret, so no one knows about it, and then have the software log all scans of banknotes into a central database, so the police could keep an eye on who is scanning notes. If forgeries appear in the area, they would know who was to blame......

    ken

    http://www.lsblogs.com/ [lsblogs.com] Submit your blog for free, find blogs and blog resources at ls blogs

  • waste of fake money. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by napa1m ( 154836 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:42PM (#10406386) Homepage
    What's to stop you from scanning 1/4 of a bill at a time and reassembling it? What about all of those drivers and software pre-anti-counterfitting? What about analog copying?

    The whole "you can't scan this bill" program seems like a complete waste of taxpayer money and puts an unnecessary burden on software makers. Why didn't they take that money and invest it in making the bills themselves more secure like many European and Asian bills?

    These latest revisions are a step but it's still pretty easy to print up counterfits and pull a fast one on some unsuspecting shop owner.
  • open sesame (Score:4, Funny)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:43PM (#10406396) Homepage Journal
    Holy shit, we're slashdotting the US Treasury! We've come a long way from Fort Knox to "MoneyFactory".com. Spend these $50s, fake or not, while they're still worth something!
  • It's the Eurion. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Pig Hogger ( 10379 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (reggoh.gip)> on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:48PM (#10406479) Journal
    It's called the Eurion constellation [cam.ac.uk] . [cam.ac.uk]

    And it's proeminently visible in the $50 back [moneyfactory.com] picture of the new US bills.

  • by Doesn't_Comment_Code ( 692510 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:55PM (#10406564)
    One man decided to counterfeit some money on his computer, so he printed off some high quality images of $20 bills. They looked good, but the new $20's have a hologram on them. So he got a roll of twenty dollar bills and cut out the holograms to past onto his counterfeits.

    There you have it... All this anti-counterfeiting technology is working.

    p.s. To my knowledge, this story is true.
  • simple fix (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tired_Blood ( 582679 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @01:56PM (#10406574)
    When the current equipment doesn't work: dust off the old equipment.

    The big problem not directly addressed however...

    No matter how often they change the appearance of the currency: if an older (and easier to copy) version is still being accepted, then why bother counterfeiting the new ones? I mean, everyone still accepts the pre-1996 $20 bills worldwide.
    • Re:simple fix (Score:3, Interesting)

      Actually, living overseas in central Asia (Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan) I actually experienced something a little different than this. The very day that the new U.S. bills were introduced (several years ago), none of the money changers in the local bazaars would accept the bills anymore. It was a really weird.
  • by ksheff ( 2406 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @02:00PM (#10406617) Homepage

    This isn't going to make that much difference as long as vendors keep accepting the old bills that can be copied. Sure, the banks will be instructed to turn in the old ones to be shredded and replaced with the new ones, so in the long term any old bills may be treated with suspicion, but how long will that take?

  • ms paint works (Score:3, Interesting)

    by uberjoe ( 726765 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @02:01PM (#10406631)
    Here's my little test: 1. Opened pdf 2. hit print scrn button (screen shot) 3. opened ms paint, I'm at work, no linux :( 4. pasted screen shot 5. printed screen shot 6. have fake $50 Boy was that tough.
  • hubris (Score:4, Funny)

    by mefus ( 34481 ) on Friday October 01, 2004 @04:30PM (#10408356) Journal
    Anti-Copy Technology.

    Doesn't that just make you want to try?

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