UK Music Industry Sees Record Sales 244
ardmhacha writes "Despite the claims of gloom and doom from the BPI (the UK equivalent of the RIAA) the BBC is reporting that 'UK record companies are celebrating their best ever year for album sales, with a record 237 million sold in the 12 months to September. The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) trade body said albums by the likes of Keane and The Streets had helped drive a 3% rise compared with last year. It also said sales of single tracks were up thanks to the availability of legal download services.' It looks like music sales will continue to climb if the customers get something they like. The article also discusses adding music downloads to the charts."
Too much Limewire here... (Score:5, Funny)
Title confused me too, differently... (Score:5, Informative)
I was like... so... the music industry sold some records? AMAZING!
Re:Too much Lime and Rum for me... (Score:2)
Re:Too much Limewire here... (Score:2, Interesting)
Moderation +4
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Re:Too much Limewire here... (Score:2)
I'm surprised (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:I'm surprised (Score:2)
I also think it's fair to say that phonorecord and phonograph refer to a recording medium.
Article quote "...The British Phonographic Industry (BPI)..."
Re:I'm surprised (Score:2)
As for why the BPI is still called the BPI, well, it's historical momentum, I guess. Twentieth Century Fox is still called Twentieth Century Fox too, right?
Re:I'm surprised (Score:3, Informative)
See also:
Photograph - a recording of light
Pornograph - a recording of the body
Re:I'm surprised (Score:5, Funny)
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"Phonorecord" under law (Score:4, Informative)
To some people, "record" doesn't just mean vinyl with grooves in. I'm not familiar with British copyright terminology, but at least under U.S. copyright law [bitlaw.com], a "phonorecord" is a medium in which a sound recording is fixed, roughly corresponding to a "copy" of any other work. Examples of various types of phonorecords, or "records" for short, include Columbia 33.3 RPM LP, RCA 45 RPM single, Lear 8-track cartridge, Compact Cassette, Compact Disc Digital Audio, MiniDisc, MP3 CD-R, and any hard drive containing music files.
That's how I read it (Score:2, Informative)
To me, "records" will always be vinyl 33 1/3 rpm LPs.
"Album" predates LP's and originally referred to a collection of 8-10 separate 78rpm disks. They were packaged in a binder, shaped like a photo album. ("Like a what?")
I hate it when people steal words. But then, I also hate the word police, so I'm stuck.
Re:I'm surprised (Score:2, Funny)
It seems to work out for both of us. I pay nothing, the industrys sales skyrocket.
Woohoo for modern tech!
Great! (Score:3, Funny)
It may be high.. (Score:2)
Re:It may be high.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Doubtful. I would venture to guess that a lot of people who pirate music wouldn't pay for it anyway. I buy 99% of the songs I listen to. The occasional song I "steal" is a song I never would have paid for anyway.
Re:It may be high.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Alternatively, some people use 'piracy' to broaden their music tastes. $15-$20 is a lot to spend on an experiment. I doubt I would have ever downloaded music if I could have returned CDs I didn't like. Thankfully, services like Rhapsody and iTunes have made a huge step in the right direction for making the business fair for both the industry and its customers.
Re:It may be high.. (Score:3, Interesting)
I have downloaded so many unmarketed non-MTV songs, it's crazy. Even more amazing, I have not purchased a single full-album off iTunes. 100% of my purchases are single tracks from here and there.
So this means what? (Score:5, Insightful)
A) Cracking down on P2P apps is driving sales again
B) Good new music is driving sales
C) The economy is picking up so people are spending money on things like music again
D) P2P apps have exposed people to enough new music and now they are all out buying it
Re:So this means what? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:So this means what? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:So this means what? (Score:2)
You mean they've stopped crapflooding the stores/airways with teenage one-hit wonders?
Re:So this means what? (Score:2, Informative)
Your American bias is showing. Here in the UK, our economy doesn't have to pick up. We don't have record deficits and our currency is not in free-fall. In fact, we have the opposite problem - some Americans are worried about the sliding dollar, but over here the worry is that the pound might be too strong, which is hurting our exports. Funny old world.
The real reason is your (B): our music industry has started concentrat
Re:So this means what? (Score:2)
Watch This Online... (Score:3, Informative)
(60 min: Real Player & Windows Media)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/s h ows/musi c/view/
P2P may be a problem, but is not the primary reason for decreased earnings.
Personally, I think this has a lot to do with new music. The introduction and promotion of new genres usually gives the industry a boost. Unfortunately, corporate ownership and quarterly profits have forced many labels to avoid risky
...proving enforcement actions pay off? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:...proving enforcement actions pay off? (Score:2)
Re:...proving enforcement actions pay off? (Score:2)
Yes, because everyone knows you just have to harass people to get them to spend their money on your product.
And at the same time... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:And at the same time... (Score:2)
Nothing to do with Blockbuster Video doing an "all you can eat" DVD postal rental service for a whopping £13.99 a month coupled with being able to buy a DVD player for under £20 then.
Re:And at the same time... (Score:2)
I never even knew there was a market out in Ingleston, but making a round trip of seven miles by car/bus/train hardly seems cost-effective just in order to buy dodgy DVD's.
Re:And at the same time... (Score:2, Informative)
Rentals of legit dvds that can be viewed in ones home are also competitive with the cinema.
Re:And at the same time... (Score:2)
It's immediately obvious to me that they seem to charge different prices for adults at different times of the week/day (from £3.50 to £5.80, students and children are £3.50, family tickets are £15.80. For a price of a family ticket, it would be cheaper just buying the movie, let alone renting it.
Re:And at the same time... (Score:3, Insightful)
So much easier than blaming the decline in the quality in movies. I've noticed that I'm downloading more and more, despite the fact that it's far easier to go down to my cheap local video rental place than spend over a day downloading over the Internet. Why? Two reasons. First, the quality of films normally 'safe' (big names, major brand) have fallen to an APPALLING low. Eg I downloa
Lolipop. (Score:3, Funny)
Free Sex.
Colour me pessimist (Score:4, Funny)
It's all fault of those pesky P2P apps! (Score:4, Funny)
P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:2)
Re:P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:2)
Re:P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:4, Funny)
Looks like someone's been getting their incorrectly titled music offof Kazaa...
Re:P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:2)
And Van Helsing ? How's he doing ?
(there. we've got "Van [GH]*" covered.)
Re:P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:2)
Re:P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:2, Informative)
Having used that, I now own 3 of their albums, one on vinyl, which I certainly wouldn't have without having downloaded a few songs off a p2p network.
So in my case, the use of a p2p network has profited the music industry, or at least Vangelis and their record label.
(I will add, just for the sake of completeness, that it was seeing Blade Runner
Re:P2P makes me buy more albums (Score:2)
Vangelis is singular (Score:3, Informative)
Anyone who wants to collect his 'entire' back catalog has their work cut out. [vangeliscollector.com]
Personally, I love Blade Runner but I think his music sounds too much of the same. If Yanni hadn't happened years later it probably woldn't bother me, but now every time I hear it all I think of is hackneyed cliches like the beach running scene in "Chariots of Fire" or Yanni on stage "jamming" with that soulless "na-na-na-
UK Music Industry Sees -Record- Sales (Score:2, Funny)
BPI (Score:4, Funny)
Re:BPI (Score:2)
Price of legal downloads (Score:4, Interesting)
They don't made into CDs with packaging.
They don't need to transported around the world/country in various forms of transport.
They don't need to be stocked in a store which employs loads of people.
Why, with practically 0 distribution chain, is the price still about the same as CD?
When they come down to 25p then I'll start buying this way. Well, so long as there's no DRM.
Here's why: (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:Price of legal downloads (Score:2)
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Re:Price of legal downloads (Score:3, Insightful)
I buy plenty of music, mostly from CD Wow, Play.com, or Virgin Megastores, when they're having one of their 5 CDs/DVDs for £30 sales. I never pay more than £9 for any CD I want, and I get most of the music that I want for less than that.
The other week I bought a bunch of stuff from Virgin, in
Re:Price of legal downloads (Score:2)
Crap? Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my friend. One man's crap is another man's caviar. I don't care what judgement you make about my musical taste from a few names because I'm buying them for my enjoyment, not your's or anyone else's. You buy what you li
Re:Price of legal downloads (Score:2)
I buy what I like the sound of: is that so hard to comprehend?
Don't you have something better to do on a Friday night than prove how immature you are? I guess not.
Re:Price of legal downloads (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Price of legal downloads (Score:2, Insightful)
Not quite the same thing but my analogy of your post is closer than your analogy of my post.
99p per track is how much I pay when I get my CDs from CD-WOW. The last one I ordered was flown over from the Far East. When I download an album they dont send me the CD and they dont send it on a plane. Now tell me that we're not bei
Re:Price of legal downloads (Score:2)
Sign some bands that aren't pure fluff... (Score:5, Insightful)
This might just be a better business strategy than suing your customers!
No, the BPI is failing. (Score:4, Insightful)
I'd be impressed if the BPI said that they had a 3% increase due to the sales of new, smaller artists.
But the BPI accounts the 3% rise in sales based on a few large pop acts. Undoubtably there was a reduction for all other artists. This isn't a success - this is a long-term failure in the making.
The average pop act has a very short life. If you bet the bank on one or two hugely successful acts, then you're committing yourself to financial chaos.
It is best to have a large number of stable, repeatable acts with long-term purchases that you can depend on.
Piracy = Bad sales: always FUD? (Score:5, Insightful)
This article is just some of what I think should be common business sense shining through:
Forcing customers to do business on your terms (buy the CD @ the producer-price-fixed $18 or break the law) while simultaneously feeding them no talent hacks (most anyway) is just begging for them to "steal" the few decent songs produced. Maybe I'm just messed in the head in thinking that suing your customers because you (the producer) won't listen to what they (the consumer) want is just FUBAR'ed.
Note to the entertainment industry: we computer scientists have jumped into the 21st century by getting through the Y2K bug, I suggest you push your business model to the 21st century as well and reap the benefits be earning my money instead of coercing me. iTunes started it, now embrace it.
PS: I'm not the only one waiting for you to do so.
Re:Piracy = Bad sales: always FUD? (Score:2)
Re:Piracy = Bad sales: always FUD? (Score:2)
You mean forcing customers to buy the $18 CD, which then is copy protected so it won't work when they try and listen to it at work on their computer? Which is the reason they bought it in the first place?
Note to the entertainment industry: we computer scientists have jumped into the 21st century by getting through the Y2K bug, I suggest you push your business model to the 21st century as well
a cheap way to buy individual tracks ? (Score:2)
You don't actually buy a track from ITunes, you buy a license to listen to the track on a single IPod.
This is because DRM prevents you from making a copy of the track, and when the track is out of copyright DRM prevents you from putting it into the public domain.
I would estimate the cost of this license to be approximately 1/10 of the cost of buying a track, which would work out at about 10-20cents.
Now 10Cents would be cheap, so ITunes is at least 10times more expensive than
Re:Piracy = Bad sales: always FUD? (Score:2)
I've been interested for a while to see how music will change in the future when downloads start to come on par with record sales. I've always wondered how this affects artists (or producers or whoever) writing the material when they realise that only the singles are selling.
Even great bands like U2 have better albums than others by varying standards where I wouldn't want the whole album (realised
The Streets!?! (Score:4, Funny)
I think the mere fact that The Streets sell any copies proves conclusively that the UK music industry is in terminal decline!
I mean, Christ. Some chav who sounds like a 15-year-old schoolyard weed dealer whining about his girlfriend, who just talks on his record, can get to number one? Kids today! Never thought I'd say this, but bring back National Service!
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No suprise.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Considering how much of the industry has been locked down due to vertical and horizontal integration and oligopolistic market practices it is no suprise that they can sell so much. Just don't believe the lies they tout about how hard their lives are.
I still think that downloading has exciting possibilities for creativity and a line of flight from traditional music channels - especially through the potential of peer2peer networks and so on. But unfortunately there is a real danger of colonisation from the majors who have deep pockets and sharp lawyers.
The Internet offer the possibility of difference and a reterritorialisation of music creativity which is at essence a collective (networked) endeavour. If we allow the major's (few and fewer as they are) to close down this space with DRM and monopolisation of the distribution channels then it will be a very sad day for alternative music.
What does this mean? (Score:5, Funny)
It looks like music sales will continue to climb if the customers get something they like.
I understand the first part of your sentence.. but what's a "customer" and why do they have to like the music we sell?
sincerely,
record company executive
Ashley Simpson (Score:2)
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The Pirates are killing the industry! (Score:3, Funny)
You people disgust me.
Re:The Pirates are killing the industry! (Score:2)
I'm not suprised (Score:5, Insightful)
Looking pretty and being able to sing won't sell records anymore, posters maybe but not records.
The fact that bands are back is why sales are up, seeing the guys and gals with the instruments is a good thing, more so when it comes to live performances like V or Glastonbury.
There is still room in the UK for gimic groups, take GLC for example, it put Aberdare on the map! (if you don't know of GLC (or Goldie Looking Chain ) its like a cross between Eminem, Weird Al and Tom Jones
The future is bright, the future is turned up to Whut-ohh!
Well, that about wraps it up for... (Score:2)
Well isn't this surprising? (Score:4, Interesting)
Has no one noticed that, for the most part, the people who are hardcore downloading music (or movies, or games, or software, or...), and not using it as an "evaluation" to see if they want to purchase a real copy, are generally broke anyway? The IP industries are not "losing" these customers to downloading, if not for downloading, these people would simply be unable to purchase a copy either. Net loss to IP company, therefore, is near 0, if not a net gain through free advertising to people who have the money and are just previewing.
The premise, to me, that these broke students, if downloads were not available, would begin printing money or something in order to purchase music or other IP seems a bit flawed to me. Somehow, it seems more to me like they would borrow and trade CD's among friends.
The premise that downloading is theft also seems a bit flawed to me. I have seen this equated as stealing a car off a lot, and this seems a flawed analogy to me, there is not still a copy of the car left on the lot.
A more appropriate analogy seems to me that a friend of mine needs to use a car at various times. He is not really interested in having a second car, as he would only use it sporadically, but really has no other choice as his wife normally takes their car to work. This is about to make Ford money, until I come along and offer to allow him to borrow my car when he needs to.
I find it hard to swallow that, in the above scenario, I "stole" from Ford by keeping someone to have to purchase one of their products. I didn't do this by stealing something off a lot, but by sharing something I already have. This, to me, does not indict the sharer for theft, but rather the seller for greed.
Re:Well isn't this surprising? (Score:3, Insightful)
Complaining about the existence of a post rather than commenting on its content, though, strangely enough does not.
online sales (Score:2)
Admittingly I haven't bought a CD in about 3 years because I don't care for the music. I see no difference in recording a song off the radio by tape and downloading it.
People who don't want to buy a CD won't, they might download the song but thats all of 0% loss to the company since they didn't have the money in the first place.
Some people may go "nah, I wont buy it, I have it now). Yep thats a loss, bu
Is Sales The Only Thing That Matters? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Is Sales The Only Thing That Matters? (Score:2, Informative)
My subjective response to the music industry is that the output in the previous year has improved greatly, such that I'm far more likely to buy a few CD's.
UK Music Industry Admits to Record Sales (Score:4, Funny)
Who'd have thought it? (Score:2)
Related News (Score:4, Funny)
Anonymous sources indicate that the Porn Industry Association of America (PIAA) intends to file suit against up to 20,000 illegal file swappers, with the British Porn Consortium to follow suit in the coming months. The new wave of peer-to-peer file-sharing networks has allowed pornographic material to be shared easily, causing dramatic decreases in pornography sales. The biggest sources of illegal file sharing appear to be college campuses, insecure wireless networks, and people's basements.
Also indicated, C-Net affiliate porn.com.com reports that in order to fend off the consumer backlash, the PIAA has enlisted the help of the celebrities it represents to endorse the legal purchase of pornographic material. In the coming months, superstars Pamela Anderson and Lil' Kim will deliver spots informing consumers of how stealing pornography deprives artists of the income they deserve. Furthermore, filmographer Rick Solomon will deliver spots on how the decrease in revenue stifles his innovation.
Suggested alternatives to illegal porn swapping include the new Apple-supported service iPorn, RealNetworks' secure RealPorn protocol, and Microsoft's Porn Media 9 format featuring 5.1 audio.
Re:Related News (Score:4, Funny)
In Canada, too (Score:3, Informative)
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It's not about profits, it's about increasing 'em (Score:2)
But it's full of shit (Score:2)
Fragmented and Diverse (Score:3, Insightful)
What the recording industry hates is the fact record sales are so fragmented. Sure, more albums are being sold than ever, but it's from a wildly diverse range of artists. With consumers now able to download and listen/sample the music before buying, these monolithic labels are finding it more difficult to manufacture pop artists that can sell 10 million copies. Now they sell half a mill of one artist and 25,000 of another artist... it's more work. The consumer isn't manipulated and decieved as easy.
Why do you think Britney Spears isn't rushing out with a new album? Because sales will be bitterly disapointing. Calculated successes of mindless garbage ala Ricky Martin is less likely now that the consumer has p2p.
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Re:UK Music Industry Sees Record Sales (Score:2)
Sadly your intelligence doesn't seem to have moved on with it. It doesn't mean music on vinyl, numbnuts; it is a record as in a recording. Geddit?