Slashback: Summer, Sail, Sex Offenders 471
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Surely this won't cause any controversy. davenaffis writes "Here's a little site I developed that uses Google Maps to map sex offenders. Only Washington, D.C. data is available right now, but I'll be adding more states soon."
Now why Did I think.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Now why Did I think.... (Score:2)
I really feel for all of them.
Re:Now why Did I think.... (Score:2)
You might even be engaging in disinformation to... err... sink the solar sail's prospects.
Reveal thyself, nefarious cad!
Re:Now why Did I think.... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Now why Did I think.... (Score:4, Funny)
The real question: (Score:2)
LOST???? (Score:5, Funny)
4 8 15 16 23 42
Re:LOST???? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:LOST???? (Score:2, Informative)
http://thenumbers.greatestjournal.com/ [greatestjournal.com]
Re:LOST???? (Score:2)
Re:LOST???? (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously the guy was joking, the humor of which is that nobody would legitimately ask what TV is, but he was modded as flamebait and criticized as a zealot. Get a grip people. It's okay to laugh.
Three things (Score:5, Interesting)
Solar sail - if we launched it, and it's transmitting a signal, and it's in orbit, and we still can't find it, what are the chances that we'd discover an asteroid headed our way? Put more funding into astronoomy please.
Ambedo - the first thing I did was view source. It's not a good sign when its own website makes basic HTML and Javascript errors.
Sex offenders - this list contains people who have done nothing more than urinate in public. This kind of map only encourages vigilantes and hysteria.
Re:Three things (Score:3, Informative)
TGIK got his address removed from the list a while back when he found out that the dude who lived at his place before he did, was a sex offender.
Mistakenly, his address was still on the list.
Re:Three things (Score:3, Insightful)
If you really wanted to protect the public you'd make the address of career violent criminals (like those who commit multiple armed robberies, assault, etc.) public.
Re:Three things (Score:3, Informative)
Eespecially since sex offenders are generally less likely to reoffend than other criminals (see here [johnhoward.ab.ca] and here [csom.org])
Re:Three things (Score:4, Insightful)
Or one who goes by thier own sensibilities, intuition and comminications with the person in general.
Re:Three things (Score:2, Informative)
Carlton L. Colemen was convicted of sexual abuse of a minor (under the age of 18).
That doesn't sound like public urination to me.
So, to be a bit more scientific I randomly picked another:
Dwayne A Woodard was convicted of 2nd degree rape of a 17 year old aquaintance.
And, just because I like to be fair I picked a third from the middle of the list:
Ronald K Lassiter was convicted of Child Abuse
Seems odd that no
Re:Three things (Score:2)
As a disclaimer, I think that real rapists should experience castration for the first offense... Real child abusers should experience everything they did to the child in question, scaled up by a factor equal to the age difference.
However, the our legal system currently favors the "victim" (particularly female "victims") with shockingly few safeguards in place to prevent, for example, outright ly
Re:Three things (Score:4, Insightful)
Look, genius. It's not okay if even one person gets hurt because of this. Not. Okay.
And that's true no matter what he or she has done. Because there is an appropriate penalty for what they have done, and that is to be administered according to law, by a court.
Not by some yahoo like you who thinks that he is qualified to unilaterally judge what other people deserve.
Re:Three things (Score:4, Insightful)
We have no system of justice, and the law is whatever you can pay for.
Re:Three things (Score:3, Interesting)
They did a story about this on the news here a while back. The thing is that (at least here in Iowa) there is a law that prevents them from living within a certain distance of a school. They then overlayed a map of Des Moines with the locations of the schools, and highlighted that radius around them. Pretty much the entire city is off limits to these folks.
Which is fine by me.
It does i
Re:Three things (Score:3, Insightful)
Yep, let's not hope they are rehabilitated and contribute to society. I, for one, would hope they continue to leech on the rest of us their entire lives!
Re:Three things (Score:3, Interesting)
This has been bothering me for some time. I keep reading that these lists are horrible because you can wind up on them for minor offenses, while others say only dangerous offenders are listed. But in my own casual perusal of the sites (checking a few from this latest Slashback link and checking out the online registry entries form my neighborhood), I've n
Use a little google why don't you? (Score:4, Informative)
This mentions people on the michigan sex offender list, without names.. but states a woman is there for public urination, and some guys are there for consensual sex with underage girlfriends.
Both are examples given by the grandparent.
Have a look here to:
http://www.geocities.com/eadvocate/issues/harm-re
The solar sail wasn't lost... (Score:4, Funny)
(There's gotta be a better Gilligan joke in all of this, I just can't think of it now.)
Re:The solar sail wasn't lost... (Score:2)
The cosmos would be lost, the cosmos would be lost.
?
Re:The solar sail wasn't lost... (Score:5, Funny)
A tale of a fateful trip.
That started out in the Barrents sea
Aboard a sub-sea ship
The sub was unpronouncable [planetary.org]
The Volna's risk unsure
One spacecraft took off that day for a three month tour ("a three month tour...")
The Volna burn was getting rough, the tiny craft was tossed
If not for the courage of the CPU, the Cosmos would be lost ("the Cosmos would be lost..").
The craft impacted far away, on a tiny desert moon
With Obi-Wan!
The Princess, too!
The Jedi Knight!
And his droids!
A speeder car!
The wookie, and Solo (Han)
Here on Parody Isle!!
"Summer, Sail, Sex Offenders" (Score:5, Funny)
Mapping Michigan Sex Offenders (Score:5, Interesting)
For an example, look here [ofdoom.com].
The biggest suprise I've had is the ammount of incorrect data in the database. Only about 25% of the entries geocode on the first pass. I've had to do "best matching" to correct misspelled street names, I've seen birth years with obviously transposed digits, and some quite amusing obvious test entries.
In addition to the sex offender data, I also map the locations of domains with dns-loc [ofdoom.com] location records, sites registered with geourl.org [geourl.org], or my own Geographic Crawler experiment [ofdoom.com], sites on or considered for the Superfund NPL list, and any other data I can force into a format I can plot.
Re:Mapping Michigan Sex Offenders (Score:3, Funny)
You know those girl put out.
Re:Mapping Michigan Sex Offenders (Score:5, Funny)
ethics? (Score:5, Interesting)
This is the kind of project I can easily imagine myself starting -- but around the time I was making guesses about misspelled street names, I think I'd can it and move on to something with less potential to ruin lives. With no negative judgment implied, why didn't you?
On a separate note, at a first glance I see a surprising number of pairs of dots very near to each other. Is this some kind of bug in the data or the mapping process? Am I just inventing patterns where there aren't any? Or perhaps there's some strange tendency for sex offenders to settle in pairs
Thanks for the interesting link.
Re:ethics? (Score:2)
Re:ethics? (Score:2)
Well, both the perpetrators and the victims got mixed up in the same database, but who cares! I'm not letting this minor inconvenience get in the way of this weekend's lynching frenzy I got planned! Wanna come too? (don't forget
Plus... not all crimes are equal (Score:3, Insightful)
Some of them definitely fit in with what I'd think of dangerously disturbed... rape of child under 12, etc. etc... but there are also crimes like "enticing a child under 16 years of age". I'm not even sure what that means -- does it really put this guy in the same category? We don't even know that he knew the girl he was "enticing" was underage... and perhaps he would have found out for sur
Re:ethics? (Score:3, Insightful)
I had been gradually giving access to people I knew, and asking what they thought of it.
When I saw this story coming up on Slashdot, I figured it was as good of a time as any to expose it to a larger group of people, and see what people's opinions were.
I think that the main component which is least ethical is the initial col
Ethical problem with guesses not the real problem. (Score:4, Insightful)
Which brings me back around to the real point. Sex offenders are apparantly still dangerous to society following their release from prison. Shouldn't the solution to continue to segregate them from society rather than to just let 'em go and tell people, "Sorry, there's a dangerous new person in your neighborhood, watch your kids/wife/backside." We could put them in a concrete building with bars over the windows and locks on the doors.. a lot like.. more prison! If it's been shown that these people are a danger to society following their terms and that they are incapable of reform*, then it is obvious, at least to me, that the terms are not long enough to protect society from them and them from society.
*statistical incapability** is indistinguishable from real incapability if you cannot say for certain if they've been reformed until they die having not regressed.
**within a socially acceptable error margin. (is 3 standard deviations enough (~99.7% confidence)? 30 (100-(.98e-195) percent confidence)? I don't claim to have the answer)
Re:Mapping Michigan Sex Offenders (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Mapping Michigan Sex Offenders (Score:2)
Re:Mapping Michigan Sex Offenders (Score:2)
ZIP 20001 (Score:2)
The question is... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The question is... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The question is... (Score:3, Interesting)
Although that's more specifically about female sex offenders of children, the truth is women are capable of being just as screwed up as men. The reason you don't hear about women raping men is again due to the fact that we don't want to think women would or would be able to do that.
Here's a comment by someone else that shows this bias toward female innocents: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=153727&cid=128 95106 [slashdot.org]
If you can't understan
Re:Why are all of them minorities? (Score:2)
A map too far? (Score:5, Insightful)
Being able to plot the home locations of sex offenders on a map, as if they were tire-fitting chains or restaurants, is one step too far for me. I can see the logical extension from the things the Chicago Crime maps were achieving, but its really data that shouldn't be made accessible in such a contextless and simple manner. There could be people on the list for any number of reasons (not just the most serious offences..) who suffer greatly due to a 'Find your local sex offender' site.
I wouldn't be surprised if google maps chose to pull their data from being used by this site in such a way, it certainly wouldn't look good if anything unsavoury occurred. I'm all for cool and nifty uses of google maps, but this just doesn't seem tasteful.
Re:A map too far? (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm skeptical (Score:3, Insightful)
Considering that the definition of "sex offender" can be so broad, compiling a map from every state and local database (each with its own criteria for listing people) seems like a really really bad idea.
Re:Yeah, if it's premarital/extramarital (Score:2)
Without getting into whether both should be legal or both illegal, why should someone who is 19 and has sex with someone 17 get charged with rape, while neither someone who is 20 who has sex with someone 18 nor someone 17y 364d who has sex with someone 16?
Re:A map too far? (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, and I want a map of everyone who has back taxes yet to pay - you know they want to steal my car along with the car theif to pay some of those back taxes.
Don't forget the people who have late library books - they're cleptos, and just want to take my garden gnomes out front...
Mapping this kind of thing isn't a detternt - look at how many registered sex offenders there are. And it doesn't help parents to "make good decisions", either - if you aren't watching your kids enough already, it doesn't matter if there's a sex offender *LIVING* nearby... if something happens, you are partly responsible for not being prepared and educating your kids, and keeping track of them, and following up when they say they're giong to a friend's house...
Parents need to be prepared for the worst, but having a list like this will only make it possible for these people to be punished while they're not in prison or on parole or probation by some holier-than-thou zealot with a shotgun and too much Bud Light in his system. Click and shoot.
Re:A map too far? (Score:2)
Re:A map too far? (Score:3, Interesting)
I was in a link earlier in another thread on this article.
Do you have any data(or rather links to), or this just 'everyone knows so it must be true'.
Mycroft
Re:A map too far? (Score:2)
Easy - buying a house (Score:2)
Why wouldn't you want to have such a map if you had kids are were looking at buying a house?
Sure if you're watching them you're generally safe, but it's simply prudent to keep kids out of daily reach of people who are so likley to repeat the offense.
I don't even have kids and I can see the value of it.
It's actually useful data. (Score:2)
As a friend who's concerned about her children's wellbeing, I think was useful and appropriate information for her to have available.
Agreed, it's unjust without context (Score:5, Insightful)
What happens when two consenting homosexual adults get railroaded by some backwater anti-sodomy laws? Now the ignorant have a map to the house for vandalism and hate crime intimidation?
Without context these maps have huge potential to inflict harm upon innocent people. These are just two of the examples that come off the top of my head.
Re:Agreed, it's unjust without context (Score:2)
Its real hard for a teenage boy to get in trouble for statutory rape, unless he is 19 and 3/4ths and she is fourteen. I know about this because it pops up here periodically - its normal for a college sophomore and a highschool freshman to hook up in Mexico, and the trouble comes when they're north of the border.
The law goes to great lengths to protect the innocent. If someone gets tagged sex offender
PUBLIC EXHIBIITONISM == LISTABLE SEX OFFENCE. (Score:5, Informative)
public urination, exhibitionism, nudism, streaking, flashing, mooning, outdoor consensual sex, lewd behaviour.
Dont believe me?
utah law book says:
(d) "Sex offender" means any person convicted by this state or who enters a plea in abeyance for violating Section 76-7-102, 76-9-702.5, 76-5a-3, 76-10-1306, or 76-5-301.1
and all of those are for lewd behaviour that specifically includes public urination, streaking, and mooning.
LAW LINK [oshkosh.net]
"The study found that people charged with crimes such as public urination, flashing, consensual sex between teenagers, possession of child pornography and adult prostitution are all classified as sex offenders in some states."
Link to source [theledger.com]
"Plaistow Deputy Chief Kathleen Jones also said that not every person on the sex offender list has necessarily committed an egregious crime such as rape or molestation because a conviction of indecent exposure, even in cases such as public urination, can land someone on the list."
Link [seacoastonline.com]
"According to Michigan State Police Sgt. Troy Fellows, urinating in public is classified as indecent exposure, and requires sex offender registration after three convictions...[And] Judges [can] to order registration after any number of convictions..."
Link [geocities.com]
The law in Utah (Score:3, Informative)
"Sex offender" means any person:
(i) convicted by this state of:
(A) a felony or class A misdemeanor violation of Section 76-4-401, enticing a minor over the Internet;
(B) Section 76-5-301.1, kidnapping of a child;
(C) a felony violation of Section 76-5-401, unlawful sexual activity with a minor;
(D) Section 76-5-401.1, sexual abuse of a minor;
(E) Section 76-5-401.2, unlawful sexual conduct with a 16 or 17 year old;
(F) Section 76-5-402, rape;
(G) Section 7
That is the 2005 law. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:A map too far? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:A map too far? (Score:2)
Re:A map too far? (Score:2)
While the source of the public information, the Metropolitan Police Department Sex Offender Registry, clearly states that an individual is "not wanted by the police at this time", that the offender has "served any prison sentence imposed" and that the information should not be used to threaten registered offenders, Sex Offender Mapper includes no such information or warning. At the absolute least, this is something they should include. As well as a solid legal disclaimer, IMO.
Re:A map too far? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why? What good can possibly be done with this information? Maybe you'll be excessively paranoid about your kids when they're out, but what good does that do anyone? Lock up the real criminals longer, don't bother with crap like this that encourages paranoia and lynch mobs.
Re:A map too far? (Score:2)
Deciding where to move -- or, more to the point, where not to.
Re:A map too far? (Score:2)
The law doesn't have a hard time... that's why there are violations, petty misdemeanors, misdemeanors, and first, second, and third degree felonies. (That's the model penal code's division I believe. YMMV. New York, for example, has violations, A and B misdemeanors, and A-E felonies.)
Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:5, Informative)
There exist lists of convicted sex offenders. They have to register when they move. They have to register every year even if they don't move. If the community they move into doesn't want them around, they can get a petition thrown together and the sex offender cannot live there. Oh, and they'll know when he moves in. Usually some group will make a big stink about the whole deal.
Once you commit a sex crime (or are convicted of ANY felony) you lose the majority of your rights.
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:2)
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:5, Insightful)
So you don't believe that the rehabilitation system works then. Certainly you lose your rights for the duration of the applied sentence, but once you are released and your parole period is up you are once more deemed to be an up-standing, reputable member of society.
They have done the time, but not for future crime (Score:2)
Re:They have done the time, but not for future cri (Score:3, Informative)
Can you backup your statements with valid studies? The majority of the studies I've seen point the other way, especially if the offenders in question received any type of treatment. Here is a link [csom.org] from the US Justice Department with data showing about a 16% average reoffense rate for sex crimes (13% recidivism rate for molestors and
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:3, Interesting)
We don't have a prison system based on rehabilitation in the U.S. We have a system based on detainment.
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:3, Insightful)
The concept of redemption is fundamental to christianity, so it is part of the legislature of societies based on the judeo-christian ethic. The concept of vengeance is fundamental to most human beings, so a key goal of victims and potential victims is punishment. We are now seeing a renegotiation of the boundaries between these two conflicting ethical systems.
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:3)
If you are, I pity you and your family.
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:3, Informative)
That's only true for federal elections and certain states. It's a common misconception that it's true everywhere, which leads to tons of felons who are eligible to vote for state and municipal issues not voting.
So I thought I'd point that out before the urban legend spreads further.
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:3, Interesting)
One thing t
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:2, Informative)
In fact, there *IS* evidence that sex offenders *CAN* change their behavior. If there was not, no court in 49 states (California excluded because they're just insane) would ever release them. Ever. There would be mandatory life sentences for every sex offender, no matter how "trivial" (the example of a woman claiming to be 18 but was really 16 is a good example) the inte
Re:Sex offenders have no rights? (Score:2)
That said, child molesting is (deservedly, I'd say) categorized as a very heinous crime in most places. As such, child molestors get the short end of the proverbial stick (excuse the pun) when it comes to "serving their time".
I'd also like to point out that "sex offender" (the term usually coined) equally applies to the 19 yr old and her 16 yr old boyfriend as it does to the 52 yr
Served their time? Sure, that's why... (Score:2)
It is only by directly identifying the addresses of these sick, sick people that we can ensure the safety of our child
Re:Cruel and unusual? (Score:2)
In other words, sad experience has shown that it's very rare that people guilty of such crimes can be trusted not to commit them again no matter how long their incarcer
The Culture Wars (Score:4, Insightful)
Imagine this:
People from conservative websites search liberal websites for anyone admitting that they have smoked pot. They compile a database of who said they smoked pot, linking the person's name, the person's address, and the comment(s) where the person admitted to smoking pot.
Now liberals respond. To take revenge, they categorize the different types of beliefs held by conservatives, and begin compiling a database of people, evidence, addresses.
Hostilities rise. If you live in a tower, a grid of condos, anywhere where there are a lot of people- stories start to spread, and people take sides.
Sex Offender boogeyman (Score:3, Insightful)
I remember reading last year sometime about a guy in Aurora, CO (It was in westword) was having sex with a woman that told her she was over 18. A while later, he was busted because the woman was 16 or so. The guy got nailed by the courts and his life is now ruined.
The general "Sex Offender" term is just wrong. I can see why it's a bad thing to have your normal raper out on the loose, but to have your life ruined because of some stupid chick? Come' on people.
Re:Sex Offender boogeyman (Score:2)
Re:Sex Offender boogeyman (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Sex Offender boogeyman (Score:2)
(Warning Soviet Joke Imminent) (Score:5, Funny)
Re:(Warning Soviet Joke Imminent) (Score:3, Funny)
+1, Creepy?
ITER intro (Score:5, Informative)
In other news: the idiot mapper (Score:4, Funny)
So far only 1 idiot is listed there, but it is the biggest idiot on this planet.
If only... (Score:2, Funny)
Is it only me? (Score:2, Insightful)
Or are they just not recorded?
Summer of Code update (Score:2)
One more day left until I know if one of those projects is mine!
sex offender map (Score:3, Funny)
I had no idea... [longlines.com]
Sex Offender Registries don't work yet (Score:2)
How did you choose that group of offenders? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:How did you choose that group of offenders? (Score:3, Interesting)
Ambedo? (Score:2)
Instead of going to www.imdb.com and typing 'tom hanks' I go to www.ambedo.com and type 'actor tom hanks'? Isn't that more work? (BTW, the 'About' page mentions imdb.com. Does that URL resolve for anyone? I always need the full www.imdb.com.)
Why would I need a 'front page' for google? Can't I go to www.google.com?
And their built-in calculator doesn't work. But why
Re:WTF? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Cobb County, GA Sex Offenders (Score:3, Insightful)
By some Bizarre twist of fate I have actually worked with two people who have run afoul with this sex offender list thing. One was convicted of Internet child porn swapping (In the worst miscarriage justice I have ever witnessed). With the other it involved his ex-wife and his kid. From my perspective the first guy I listed became pawn in various people's games to stay in elected office and consolidate power while the second one really had something fishy g