Attack of the $1 DVDs 345
fm6 writes "The NY Times has an interesting piece on DVDs that sell for one or two bucks. Not all of them are crap -- apparently a lot of good movies never got copyrighted properly. But there's no silent movies ('not mass market'), or movies that aren't 'family friendly.' Here's what I find really interesting: none of the DVD companies mentioned in the article sell online -- it's all through discount bins in supermarkets and drug stores."
$1 for a DVD (Score:5, Funny)
They're public domain (Score:3, Informative)
Yet, I believe you'd find half of Slashdot gripe, and ask for the bittorent...
The only reason these can be sold at a 1.00 USD price point is because the movies in question are public domain. They were first published in the United States on or before 1963, and their copyrights were never renewed. Sending a DVD-Rip to a stranger through BitTorrent in this case would not be an infringement of copyright as long as you don't copy anything introduced in the new edition (primarily the menus and other things t
Re:They're public domain (Score:2)
Re:They're public domain (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:They're public domain (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:They're public domain (Score:4, Insightful)
So give me a torrent over any physical media any time.
Torrent also saves me the hassle of ripping the damn thing to my mediabox.
So, is that bad, am I hurting anyone?
You made it sound as if that's a bad thing.
I find rips just more convenient (Score:4, Interesting)
Honestly, it's not like I don't own movies, music, etc . . . actually, I own a LOT. But I always rip the ones I have, if I haven't already downloaded them (and thus bought them because I liked them so much, and wanted to actually own them, for principle or posterity or 'cause they were on some crazy $1.50 sale or etc) simply because it's sooo much more convenient.
Comparing TV series saved on CD to DVD, if I'm watching on my computer, it's much easier to just pop in the disc and double-click on the episode, instead of having to actually navigate menus, wait while there's time delays, and so forth. And proper rips, I can just switch at a moments notice between normal audio and, say, a commentary track, so if I'm listening to the directors talking, and then I go "oh, yeah, I want to just re-watch that scene in normal right now" I can actually do that in seconds instead of the convoluted process in DVDs.
It's the difference that comes with having a format that's the raw media (relatively speaking) instead of it tucked away inside of virtual packaging. These points could go on and on, but I'm sure anyone reading
And so, yeah, for these movies it just makes sense for them, what with being in public domain and all, to be so easily available for download and distribution as rips.
Hey, even if the industry complains "free movies cut into our profit!", well them, you'll just have to make things that are new and interesting enough that people will want to buy the new ones even while they can get the classics for free. Hah, now that might make you get off your asses and do something worthwhile, now you have to compete with your own past!
Re:They're public domain (Score:4, Funny)
The funny thing is that today, in those discount bins, I've found the movie 1984! I was looking forward to seeing if the adaptation from the book was good
Re:They're public domain (Score:4, Funny)
Re:They're public domain (Score:4, Insightful)
--Jungle Book, starring Sabu
--episodes from the original Superman TV series
--various Sherlock Holmes films (with Basil Rathbone)
Some were in standard DVD cases with nice labels, some in cheap cello and cardboard. But for a buck, who cares?
And I think the guy quoted in the article is wrong about silent movies -- the same audience that is interested in the above are also interested in silents, especially serials.
Even if I had broadband, and even when the file is free and legal, I certainly couldn't be bothered to locate, download, and burn a film that I could buy for a buck. IMO their only mistake is in not making their catalogs cover a sufficiently broad range of titles and eras.
Re:They're public domain (Score:3, Insightful)
Here's another thought: a buck an hour (thus one or two eps. per DVD) for all the television series that thus far they don't find worth selling -- yeah, there's some market among the fanatics for full-season sets at high prices, but think of how huge the market COULD be, if they were priced at the impulse-buying level??
Also, ISTM that small-market films and series TV is a massive buy-on-demand market just itching to be exploited (
Re:They're public domain (Score:3, Insightful)
It's entirely possible that a studio could argue that the physical process of scanning the film and encoding it would also grant a copyright to that particular version, even though the origin
Scanning a copy does not produce a new © (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not really sure if this issue has ever been decided regarding video, but it's quite possible that the MPEG-2 stream could be claimed as copyrighted. When Penguin Books goes through, say, Great Expectations, and does layout, changes punctuation to match the American rules, etc. their version is copyrighted.
Not necessarily. From Copyright Office circular 14 [copyright.gov], with my emphasis:
Re:$1 for a DVD (Score:3, Informative)
Re:$1 for a DVD (Score:3, Interesting)
They are in many different formats including full-resolution DVD sized mpeg
Available at archive.org (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Available at archive.org (Score:3)
Re:SLASHDOTTED - Article Text (Score:2)
The New York Times?
On a Saturday?
With 10 comments posted?
I don't think so. Looks like karma whoring to me.
Re:SLASHDOTTED - Article Text (Score:2)
If you're going to copy the article text at lease click preview to make sure it doesn't look like total ass if you want to pick up a few extra chunks of karma!
Re:SLASHDOTTED - Article Text (Score:2)
Re:$1 for a DVD (Score:2)
Can't beat the price/performance ratio... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Can't beat the price/performance ratio... (Score:3, Insightful)
Unfortunately, most of the other ones were crap. Mostly just bad movies and/or bad acting, but on one of them the audio was so distorted that you couldn't understand what people are saying.
Still, it's hard to go wrong for a buck.
Re:Can't beat the price/performance ratio... (Score:2)
* White Zombie (the 1930s-vintage movie with Bela Lugosi, not the band)
* Dementia 13, the first Francis Ford Coppola movie
* Kimba the White Lion...sure, it doesn't have the original Japanese soundtrack and subtitles, it's got a crap Canadian dubtrack done on the cheap in the '80s, but dammit, it's Tezuka-sensei!
* Some Pre-Code Betty Boop shorts, unfortunately with crappy colorization (thank Goddess for Archive.Org!)
* Some early Gumby shorts, including "Gumbasia" whi
Re:Can't beat the price/performance ratio... (Score:2)
The *only* reason I go to Walmart is to dig through the $5 DVD bin. I have gotten some decent titles (Antitrust, Short Circuit, Thomas Crown Affair, Fatal Attraction, and Turner and Hooch to name only a few) that I enjoy enough to own.
It does take time to go through them and find anything worthwhile (there's a lot of 4 TV episode DVDs such as the
Where?! (Score:2)
Shipping costs (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a simple reason for this. Most people will think, "Gee, I'd like to buy that for $1 online but I won't pay $2 for shipping and handling on something that only costs $1"
To sell online they need to bump the price up to $3 online to subsidize the shipping and nominally charge 50 cents to ship.
Re:Shipping costs (Score:2)
Re:Shipping costs (Score:2)
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Re:Shipping costs (Score:2)
The USPS has a special media rate that includes DVDs and is dirt cheap.
Media mail starts at $1.42. Most DVDs in their case can be sent for $1.06 or $1.29. The main purpose of media mail is to send books - heavy items which would otherwise cost a lot to send.
Re:Shipping costs (Score:3, Interesting)
Even with shipping at $3, I would think most people who would buy these DVDs at $1 would not buy only one item and pay $3 shipping on it. I would guess they'd pick 10-15 at a time and pay about the same in shi
Re:Shipping costs (Score:2)
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I just don't understand the point of buying most of the crap they sell for a dollar. A dollar for a dvd is a dollar too much for something you won't watch. It's sad to see people at walmart going nuts over the dollar DVDs thinking they are getting so
Re:Shipping costs (Score:3, Insightful)
Get your's today! (Score:2)
*By soliciting this offer, you agree to purchase thirty more DVDs at regular price. Cannot be combined with any other offer.
soliciting (Score:2)
Re:soliciting (Score:2)
Re:soliciting (Score:2)
Incorrect apostrophe usage! (Score:2)
Please read this. [angryflower.com]
That's not the reason (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:That's not the reason (Score:2, Insightful)
Ok, fair enough, but this does give us a rough idea what the absolute base minimum distribution and manufacturing costs are for a DVD. If you don't have to create the content, pay the talent, or distribute through Mom & Pop retailers, you can make a (albeit small) profit selling for a buck retail.
If you want to pay for special effects, Bruce Willis, and intend sell product at the local IGA, that costs the consumer $19.95.
It's going to be really interes
Some places online (Score:2)
99 Cent Movies:
http://www.ninety-nine-cent-movies.com/ [ninety-nin...movies.com]
but the URL doesn't workanymore.
Alex.
Re:Some places online (Score:2)
The original site was flash based, so there's nothing to see at Archive.org [archive.org] from their spidering on May 13, 2004.
All soundtracks are copyrighted (Score:5, Informative)
But there's no silent movies ("not mass market"), or movies that aren't "family friendly".
Playback of silent movies on a DVD player needs a soundtrack. All sound recordings published from the invention of the phonograph until February 15, 1972, are restricted under state law copyright until December 31, 2067 [pdinfo.com] (second source [joegratz.net]), and a bargain-basement DVD distributor such as DigiView doesn't have the resources to do its own dub job.
Re:All soundtracks are copyrighted (Score:2)
Re:All soundtracks are copyrighted (Score:3, Informative)
But that soundtrack doesn't need sound. It's trivial to make an uncopyrighted silent soundtrack for a DVD.
All sound recordings published from the invention of the phonograph until February 15, 1972, are restricted under state law copyright until December 31, 2067
Guess what; as far as anyone knows, this applies to the soundtrack for any movie. And you always have the option of not shipping to New York, which, as far as I know, is the only one
Re:All soundtracks are copyrighted (Score:3, Funny)
You try telling the John Cage estate that...
Kun Fu Fighting! (Score:4, Funny)
No Online Profit In $1 DVD's (Score:2)
Because shipping costs would exceed the purchase price. Either the vendor would have to eat shipping cost (meaning no profit and, hence, no $1 DVD's) or the buyers would pay shipping cost (meaning the $1 DVD now costs about $3.)
Easier to buy them by the pound and dump them in the bins.
hold on now... (Score:4, Insightful)
who thinks movies from 60 years ago should still have copyright protection?
I see.. the frozen hand of Walt Disney..
anyone else?
(please note I would be in favor of laws which change when the term of copyright
Re:hold on now... (Score:2)
Care to enlarge on that idea?
Re:hold on now... (Score:2)
That is only fair. Sale prices at the store typically are not retroactively applied...
Re:hold on now... (Score:2)
Pity though; it sounded interesting ;)
Re:hold on now... (Score:5, Insightful)
I see.. the frozen hand of Walt Disney..
Actually, I'm pretty sure Walt Disney would not raise his hand. It's his successors that want to own everything forever.
Re:hold on now... (Score:2)
Honestly, their series of animated movies in the early 90s, Little Mermaid, Beauty and Beast, Aladdin, and the Lion King, were great hits. They may be based on fairy tales, but so were many of the early Disney movies.
Works for me.. (Score:5, Insightful)
They sold out quickly. I hope they will get some more in and some new titles.
A $1 is a bargin and really what most of them are really worth.
When I was a kid, the ticket at the theater was about $1.50, that was in the 60's...
I've recently seen mention that the ticket to see a new movie is around $9.00 BS on that!
The only movies that have come out in the past 30+ years that were actually worth the trouble and expense to go and see were the LOTR movies and those didn't come out of Hollyweird, which explains why they were of good quality and good content.
No matter though, all the theaters in this area have gone out of business anyway. The nearest one is a 35 mile drive. With $9 to get in, $5 for a heatlamp special and $4 for a cup of ice with a splash of soda water, I can tell you this, I will never again go to a movie theater. Oh yeah, and of course there's the gas to drive there. At $2.5+ a gallon, I only drive when it's a life and death emergency..
IF, and that's a BIG IF, a decent movie ever comes out, I just wait for it to hit DVD and buy it then. I would rather spend $14-16 on it and have it to do with as I please than to spend $40+ to see it once in a room full of crying babies, kids acting up, people chatting on cell phones, etc...
Hollywood needs to get real. With the raping they keep putting on people at the ticket booth it's little wonder people pirate the movies. If they would cut the salaries of the fat cats at the top of the food chain in half and the self-important actors and actresses, that would be a step in the right direction.
But for now, $1 is more than a fair price..
Wal-Mart (Score:2)
Worth it when you find 4 Gary Cooper movies (2 Disc set) for $4 and Return of the Pink Panther for another $4. I guess it all depends on your taste, but there is stuff in there for everyone (Airheads, Freddy Got Fingered, Road to Bali, The Man with Two Brains, etc).
Re:Works for me.. (Score:2)
In the last 30 years I'm glad to have seen many, many great movies made by Hollywood Studios, along with films made by independent production companies. I was gonna list some great recent movies made by the majors, but what for?
Look man, enjoy
Re:Works for me.. (Score:2)
What market do you think netflix is aimed at anyway?
Re:Works for me.. (Score:2)
Try £15 (~$30) in the West-End cinemas in London... it's cheaper to get the train to a different city to see the movie than pay that price!
Library DVDs (Score:2)
I get DVDs at the local library. They circulate for free. The best picks are usually in the metro branch libraries on the border of the city and the suburbs or the branch of the suburban county library system located in the neighborhood with the most college graduates. Check also on-line listings for the local library. You can often have the titles sent to your closest neighborhood branch. Rural patrons can often have titles mailed to them at reduced postal rates.
The library has a fair amou
Re:Works for me.. (Score:5, Insightful)
When I was a kid, the ticket at the theater was about $1.50, that was in the 60's...
$1.50 sounds to me like a lot of money in the 60s. Let's hop on over to http://www.bls.gov/cpi/home.htm [bls.gov]
and adjust that 1.50 into 2005 dollars.
You don't specify which year of the 60s you're talking about, let's do a range of years:
1960: $9.85
1965: $9.26
1969: $7.95
So that $1.50 movie in the 60s is about the same cost as it is now, after adjusting for inflation. People tend to forget the huge inflation that happened in the 1970s. Sure movies are more expensive, but people also make a lot more money to keep up with increased cost of living.
Re:Works for me.. (Score:2)
There are 3.79 litres to a US gallon [google.co.uk], so that is:
0.90*3.79 = £3.41 per US gallon.
According to xe.com [xe.com], £1 = $1.77.
£3.41*1.77 = $6.04.
That is somewhat less than the $10 another poster mentioned, but it should give American readers some idea of just how cheap (relatively) their fuel is. Of course a large proportion of our fuel price is made up of tax. Th
Re:Works for me.. (Score:2)
Re:Works for me.. (Score:2)
NY Times Discovers USB (Score:4, Insightful)
I think this article is such an example. Extremely low-cost movies in grocery stores and bargain bins have been around for YEARS. Perhaps the only difference today -- and I think we can quibble on what 'today' means -- is that instead of Betty Boop on VHS, she's on a DVD.
What We Pay More Not To... (Score:4, Insightful)
And the rest of us geniuses pay about $14 more to NOT have this?! Man, I bet these DVDs don't even have that annoying FBI warning since some of them are in the public domain. These cheap DVDs already have the top 2 out of 3 items on my wish list for DVDs. Now, they just need to have a good movie to go along with the DVD. ;-)
Re:What We Pay More Not To... (Score:2)
Re:What We Pay More Not To... (Score:2)
Nope, all of them I've seen have an FBI warning. Some have gone so far as to tell you it's illegal to loan the movie to someone else.
Some of the Highlights I've bought (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Some of the Highlights I've bought (Score:2)
Re:Some of the Highlights I've bought (Score:2, Informative)
I got the first two DVDs of Beverly Hillbillies for $1 each at the grocery store a while back. I had never seen episodes that early, before, and they were all hilarious. We're talking several episodes before they even wrote the lyrics to the theme song. Good stuff.
"The Beverly Hillbillies" always had the lyrics. Those cheap DVD's are a few episodes that fell into public domain. The theme song "Ballad of Jed Clampett" however, ISN'T in the public domain, so the video companies had to change the opening/c
Re:Some of the Highlights I've bought (Score:2)
Re:Some of the Highlights I've bought (Score:2)
At least it sin't bad compared to the more expensive (sub$5) Good Times Video Popeye DVDs where they tried to re'foley' the sound effects and made the cartoons nearly unviewable with these really loud and irritating sound effects
Re:Some of the Highlights I've bought (Score:2)
Here are some I had found that were really good... Off the wall and calssic horror movies.
There are some decent ones out there. I got Night of the Living Dead for one buck at Target. I thought that was an awsome deal.
Re:Some of the Highlights I've bought (Score:2, Informative)
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Re:Some of the Highlights I've bought (Score:2)
I bought some of these a few months back... (Score:2)
The packaging was crap, but that's ok, since well, they were a buck each. My bigger concern was that the various titles shared UPC codes, which meant that I wasn't able to enter them into DVD Profiler (not going to link, find it yourself)
A Great Argument Against Copyrights (Score:2)
Isn't enriching the public as a whole supposed to be what copyrights are for? Yet, in nearly every case today,
Re:A Great Argument Against Copyrights (Score:2)
When making a poltical comment on a public discussion forum, *never* label your political position like this. The position that the copyright system is broken is perfectly reasonable, but this sort of comment associates it with radical political beliefs helping those who believe that politics
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secret to cheap dvds (Score:4, Interesting)
Family DVDs at Mal-Wart (Score:2)
Seems like family standards are, um, 'evolving' at the Wart.
Re:Family DVDs at Mal-Wart (Score:2)
Cheap at twice the price? (Score:2)
And we're expected to pay a dollar for this masterpiece???
At WalMart (Score:2)
"start playing the moment they're loaded" (Score:2)
No wonder they're successful.
I've been asking for years and years why expensive DVDs can't do this. When you put the disk in the player, and the DEFAULT action should be... PLAY THE MOVIE.
This should at the very least be a user-preference option you can configure in the player.
I hate having to wait through a minute of non-skippable crap in order to be given the opportunity to tell my DVD player that what I want to do is (imagine
Cereal Boxes are key (Score:3, Interesting)
Not quite what the article is talking about, but sure is cheaper than $1.
Robocop catch phrase Soooo appropriate (Score:4, Funny)
Damn IT slashdot!
"I'll buy THAT for a dollar!"
Yes, you can (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Knockoff/Ripoff (Score:3, Funny)
And this differed from the Hugh Jackman movie how?
Re:Knockoff/Ripoff (Score:2)
And anyway, Kate Beckinsale and those vampire chicks are *hot*.
The Bargain Bin is the salvation of film (Score:2)
His films end up selling four for ten because so many copies of the title get made. When all the sales are made of an individual film at list price, the disk own
Re:Drugstores (Score:2)
Re:Drugstores (Score:2)
Please read this. [angryflower.com]
Re:never got copyrighted properly?? (Score:3, Informative)
Uh, copyright is automatic now. You used to have to register. Not only that, you had to put copyright notices on your stuff, and renew your copyright after a number of years if you wanted it to remain copyrighted. Some things are in the public domain by virtue of neglecting to put (c) on the title card.
Furthermore, stuff created for the government is (or at least was) automatically in the public domain.
Re:never got copyrighted properly?? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The RIAA might own you, but... (Score:2)
Someone *could* theoretically get 24 dvd's/month from Netflix http://www.netflix.com/ [netflix.com] for $19.99 USD and copy them for free
You could probably get at least 40 or 50 a month if you returned them the same day you got them. And if you signed up for Blockbuster's in-store service, which I believe is $15 for the first month, you could get every DVD in the store for one month's fee.
Of course, you'd probably spend $1/dvd or so on media.
Re:Proof the movie companies are ripping us off! (Score:3, Insightful)
A short copyright time, or even median one (say 10-20years like patents) enables the creators to recover things like the odzillion dollars spent on special effects, computer animation, Mr. Muslce's and Miss T.A.'s salary.
However once this money is recouped and a fair amount of time has passed to allow for some proffit, copyright should expire, to drop prices and enrich culture as intended.
So what makes them greedy is thier insistance on kee