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Can Large Corporations Buy "Cool?" 209

TobyToadstool writes "With the recent news that NBC and News Corp. will launch a YouTube rival, CNet asks: Can big corporations buy the zeitgeist or will they inevitably screw up? CNet calls the new wannabe 'Me Too Tube.' The article looks at companies trying to buy their way into user-generated content. Quoting: 'There is something incredibly boring and sad about giant companies who constantly chase the fleeing tailcoats of the latest Internet trends. Like the kid who [leaned] over and copied you in art class, News Corp./NBC are the archetypal corporation — lumbering and so very uncool.'"
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Can Large Corporations Buy "Cool?"

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  • by Dogtanian ( 588974 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:23PM (#18505825) Homepage
    ....but like them or not (and I don't), News Corporation own MySpace; and yes, they succeeded in buying "cool" there.
    • by MBCook ( 132727 ) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:28PM (#18505915) Homepage

      No they didn't, and that's the point. MySpace was already cool, they bought it and didn't really change it. They didn't MAKE it cool. And more importantly, they didn't compete against MySpace to do it. NBC is looking to try to make their clone cool, when YouTube already exists and gained much of it's early popularity though content they won't allow.

      Let's not forget that Google tried to take on YouTube (in a way), and failed. They ended up buying YouTube.

      NBC wants to make another YouTube, they have to compete against the original. And with the kind of restrictions that will likely be placed on it, I don't think they'll succeed at all.

      They aren't starting something new in a new market. They aren't taking an existing small market and trying to expand it. They are trying to kill a very poplar and nice Goliath.

      • by Dogtanian ( 588974 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:32PM (#18505993) Homepage
        Slashdot headline:Can Large Corporations Buy "Cool?"

        Answer: Yes, they bought MySpace.

        That's it.
        • by MBCook ( 132727 )
          See that makes sense. But NBC isn't buying YouTube, in this case they are making their own (and that is where the buying comes in). You can buy a popular site and declare yourself cool, but you can't build a site against a juggernaut and think you can make it cool with astroturfing or whatever promotions they plan to use.
          • by SatanicPuppy ( 611928 ) * <Satanicpuppy@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @03:00PM (#18506501) Journal
            The problem is always the same: It's design by committee, by a bunch of people whose jobs are on the line.

            Look at all the great applications, that just blew up out of nowhere. They're all started by people who are so amazingly fucking stoked about this idea! It's the coolest thing ever! It's going to change the world! I used to work with a guy who had that vibe, and it's like fricking crack, those people are just so into it, and amazed by it, and they want to use it, they want it to be like their dreams, and they think about it constantly.

            Contrast that with a group of people whose sole goal is to try to take apart this successful thing, and pick out its success, and put that into their own thing so it'll be successful. It's like taking a famous piece of art and trying to pull the art out of it...They're looking for an ephemeral thing. They don't know why it's cool. They don't know what it is about it that makes it great.

            The thing is, YouTube is hardly unique. The idea is a simple idea. There are a lot of other sites out there that allow you to host your videos for other people to see. But it has that thing...That ephemeral thing...Hell in this case, it could just be that it built a great user base out of daily show clips, and now those people are putting great stuff on YouTube, so it has great content...And it's by no means certain that another venture, no matter how well funded, will be able to tap that secret sauce. They may though. Never underestimate the power of a sufficiently large integer with a "$" in front of it.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          I sort of agree.

          You can buy cool. A giant company can even create cool. However, a press release that says big companies are going to create a competitor to something cool is not the way to do it. That's a decidedly staid way of doing business.

          Imagine some uncool kid at school announcing that he was about to compete with the cool kid(s) for cool. That's absurd. The smarter thing to do is to throw smart money from behind the scenes at a seemingly grassroots/startup site - and manipulate the odds. Underhanded
      • by zCyl ( 14362 )

        No they didn't, and that's the point. MySpace was already cool, they bought it and didn't really change it.

        So what you're saying is that if you're rich and uncool, you can buy cool and own cool, but you can't make it. :)
      • but what if nbc get a licence to allow posting of media from the major producers? They'd rake it in and be safe from lawsuits.
      • by binkzz ( 779594 )
        "No they didn't, and that's the point. MySpace was already cool, they bought it and didn't really change it. They didn't MAKE it cool."

        The topic is "Can Large Corporations BUY Cool", so I think it really is the point.
        • by bytesex ( 112972 )
          No. You pedant. Because the topic would fall over very quickly if that was the case. With 'buy cool', the topic-writer didn't mean 'buy Youtube': Youtube is not for sale at the moment. He/she meant 'buy people and hardware to create 'cool' from scratch'. Does it make sense now ? Go take your pill.
          • by binkzz ( 779594 )
            I have no idea who ran over your dog, but I'm pretty sure the topic is whether or not companies can buy cool vs buying people to create cool or making it from scratch.

            It is interesting how you know the topic writer's meaning when he writes something completely different.
        • The topic is "Can Large Corporations BUY Cool", so I think it really is the point.

          The subtitle though is If so, can they keep it cool, to which I believe the answer is "no". MySpace may not have become uncool yet (I don't know, not a user of it myself), but it is a simply matter of time before one division whose numbers are slumping decide that they need to leverage the corporate assets and you find the site awash in flash ads, can't-opt-out spam campains and other fantastic inventions of the 1950s br

      • They are trying to kill a very poplar and nice Goliath.
        Youtube is popular because of what's on it. If NBC's version contains content people want to watch, then it can compete with youtube.

        If they put up full-length, high-quality clips that play without buffering, and filter out the chaff such as people miming to songs, then they could do youtube some damage.

        'Cool' doesn't count for much, what's cool today is passe tomorrow.
    • by Otter ( 3800 )
      And it's not like Google made YouTube out of free lunches and hybrid cars...
    • by Seumas ( 6865 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:37PM (#18506071)
      The title of the article was misleading. Buying cool versus making cool. Yes, in this case making cool is expensive and they are investing in it, as opposed to the average joe just starting up their own site that becomes cool.

      That said, Youtube is not a small time site. It never was. You could say that the original creators did buy cool. One of the two guys is from an affluent family and I believe his wife's father (who is some big CEO somewhere or something like that) helped invest heavily in getting youtube off the ground. It frustrates me when people talk about Youtube like it is some phenom that started from the underground by some kid in his bedroom. It was started by a couple of older guys who had a lot of money and connections and the means to make something big. It's the difference between a Subway and a McDonald's . . . neither of them is your local mom and pop sandwich shop.

      Of course, we can argue all day long as to whether MySpace is cool. I think most of us can agree that it certainly is not. Same for Youtube. Both are just places for teenage self-indulgent attention whores to whine about how hard life is, shake their asses and lipsynch on video as if the rest of the world cares.

      It appears to me that all NBC is doing is creating a site where you can go to get their content. Of course, you know it's going to be restricted like crazy. But having a place to go and watch NBC content (other than Heroes, what the hell is there to watch?!) doesn't make it a youtube site. Youtube is Youtube because it has tens of millions of videos by tens of millions of wannabe stars who live for attention.

      Newscorp didn't go out and create their own myspace. They bought myspace. NBC isn't going out there and buying youtube. They're trying to create their own. And it's not going to work. As bad as youtube sucks ass, the NBC version will be even worse.

      NBC creating their own "youtube" will be like a poor kid who has to wear clothes that his mom made for him out of scraps, while all his friends and classmates go to school in brandname. It'll be the K-Mart and Value Village of video sites.
      • >Both are just places for teenage self-indulgent attention whores to whine about how hard life is, shake their asses and lipsynch on video as if the rest of the world cares.

        And the difference between that and 'cool' is...?
        Sorry to rain on the slashdot parade, but very, very few of us are cool. We make decisions based on a wholly different set of criteria than the people who are on MySpace -- and that's exactly why they're on MySpace, and why we're here. And, guess which one has, what, freaking 200 mill
      • making cool is expensive

        No. Making cool is usually pretty cheap. It's just that those who make cool aren't trying to make cool. If they are, they're not cool. They're just doing their own thing, which may or may not be perceived at some point as "cool". Predicting whether or not that will happen cannot be bought, for any ammount of money, by anyone. If you're not cool, sifting through all the un-cool and finding cool is expensive because the marketing drones you hire to do that are not cool. They'

    • If they keep the brand the same then they will do OK. If the try to change things to get in line with corporate policy etc then they will kill it.

      The same goes for any brand or buying a small development company or whatever.

    • by idobi ( 820896 )

      ....but like them or not (and I don't), News Corporation own MySpace; and yes, they succeeded in buying "cool" there.

      That may have worked for MySpace... but it didn't work out so well for Napster.

      • That may have worked for MySpace... but it didn't work out so well for Napster.

        That's because the "new" Napster is just another pay-download service (formerly known as Pressplay) which uses the original's branding, but has nothing else in common with it. Couple that with the fact that there was at least two-year gap between the spiritual demise of the original Napster service and its "relaunch".

        By contrast, there were no obvious immediate changes when YouTube and MySpace were bought out; the underlying services remained the same, as did the branding, and there were no gaps in servi

    • ....but like them or not (and I don't), News Corporation own MySpace; and yes, they succeeded in buying "cool" there.
      It's like buying "cool" clothes. You may look "cool," but it still doesn't change the "uncool" way you act, so quickly people will realize how "uncool" you are.
      • It's like buying "cool" clothes. You may look "cool," but it still doesn't change the "uncool" way you act, so quickly people will realize how "uncool" you are.
        Except that the people using MySpace don't care how cool or uncool the parent company is, only how cool MySpace itself is; and it didn't exactly go down the pan when News Corp bought it, so that pretty much proves my point.
        • and it didn't exactly go down the pan when News Corp bought it, so that pretty much proves my point.
          Newscorp hasn't really made new decisions on the future of Myspace. Once the "old media" starts bastardizing Myspace with their own vision, you'll likely see it go downhill.
          Going back to the analogy, so long as you keep your mouth shut, and all people see are the clothes you'll remain "cool".
    • by Fozzyuw ( 950608 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @04:25PM (#18507855)
      True,

      Also, look at Wal-Mart. They've already tried to make a "MySpace" and... well, have you heard of it? No? That's because it's not 'Cool'. Sure, 14 year old girls could go there and add Wal-Mart clothes to their avatar and show off their styles and 'where' (see Wal-Mart) they could buy those cool clothes.

      Heck, I think they might have even paid employee's kids to use it to get it kick-started.

      MySpace and Facebook 'grew' into cool. Trying to break into it with a big promotion and throwing money at it, rarely works. It goes out with a bang. Sure, you hear and see it at first, but after the dust settles, it will be gone.

      If something is 'cool' and you buy it, yes, you bought cool. Of course, it could become 'un-cool' but you still bought 'cool' at that time.

      Cheers,
      Fozzy
  • Cool? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by naoursla ( 99850 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:24PM (#18505841) Homepage Journal
    Is YouTube cool? I thought it was just a convenient place to post and watch videos.

    The NBC/News Corp. site will be a convenient place to watch NBC and FOX television shows. Who cares if it is "cool"?
    • Yes, you might not realize it, but "cool" matters in these markets. You see, these companies aren't generally too concerned with what's convenient for *you*, per se. You might only be interested in whether it's a useful tool for you, but these companies are trying to sell advertising space, which means they need an audience. These video sites are trying to be "the cool place" for people to post their videos, because that brings about a snowball effect: People post on YouTube because it's the "cool" place
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by pluther ( 647209 )
        People post on YouTube because it's the "cool" place to post your videos

        Not necessarily true. I post my videos on youtube because it's the only place to post them.

        If NBC creates a site that's free and easy to use, so I can upload my videos easily, without giving rights to them to NBC, and if people can watch them through a link in my blog without being interrupted by ads, then I'll be just as likely to use NBC, regardless of who else is doing it.

        I haven't done a study, but I'd bet a substantial number

    • Who cares if it is "cool"?
      Well, sadly, the vast majority of 12-30 year olds. Not everyone is intelligent enough to discern the difference between advertising and things people actually like.
  • by WarwickRyan ( 780794 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:25PM (#18505851)
    CNET's never going to become cool if they miss the far snappier monkier of "Mee-toob"!
  • Remember when Viacom tried to buy cool with MTV?
  • by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:29PM (#18505935) Journal
    Seriously. What the fuck would you knobs know about cool?

    You probably think it's uncool because it isn't compatible with firefox for unga bunga linux or dragonfire BSD.

    NBC and NewsCorp have tons of content people want access too. They will be successful, whether you like it or not, or whether it gets the tag of "cool" from a bunch of geeks.

    YouTube cool? Whats so cool about some fat kids video diary?
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by UbuntuDupe ( 970646 ) *
      You probably think it's uncool because it isn't compatible with firefox for unga bunga linux

      It's called Ubuntu, racist.
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      YouTube cool? Whats so cool about some fat kids video diary?
      I'll thank you not to slander my diary, sir. As evident by my large hit count, the public yearns to hear my musings on the eternal ninja/pirate debate.
    • by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:55PM (#18506409) Homepage Journal
      slashdot is something much more bigger than you think.

      you are probably thinking that who are hanging out in slashdot are a bunch of long haired geeks in their mom's basement and half lit university labs. along with a couple of linux, ms and nasa junkies ...

      reality is that /. is the place where majority of people who build the web and tech world hang out - not excluding high level techies, executives, prominent tech pioneers, industry celebrities, very high profile personas, ages-old black & white hat hackers with long list of deeds behind them. ah, also a number of politicians.

      not to mention countless hordes of developers & programmers, whose collective mind decides the fate of programming languages, numerous software and hardware products, and even ideas, for the future.

      ever wondered why there are so many anonymous posts in slashdot ? only for trolling better ? afraid of persecution ?

      think again.
      • While all of that is true, these are not the populations who dictate what is cool to 17-year-olds, except for the 5% of 17-year-olds who are also geeks. That's what this is about, what is cool to teenagers, not what is technologically cutting-edge. Or even what's cool to 40-year-old engineers.

        I sincerely hope that the people you are referring to, the people in the top eschelons of engineering and technology, are not deluded enough to think that they dictate coolness to the teenagers of the world. I would

        • You gotta understand that maybe 3/4 of all these people (of who are non 17 yr olds) are people who did not, and will not ever grow up.
          • Ok, so that might indicate that they are more likely to think that they are the arbiters of cool, but it does not make it any more true.
            • you gotta understand the fact that whatever deemed is cool, is still going to be made with the hands of these people. and if something does not seem that cool to them, or not viable, will not get enough effort from these people. an unwilling bunch of development/implementation group adds up greatly to a project's end without success.

              in the end, these are the carriers of the burden of technological world we are living in. or rather 'we'.

              not to forget that majority, heck, all of these people are having
      • by dr_dank ( 472072 )
        Let John Hughes explain:

        Brian Johnson: Dear Mr. Vernon, we accept the fact that we had to sacrifice a whole Saturday in detention for whatever it was we did wrong. But we think you're crazy to make an essay telling you who we think we are. You see us as you want to see us... In the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. But what we found out is that each one of us is a brain...

        Andrew Clark: ...and an athlete...

        Allison Reynolds: ...and a basket case...

        Claire Standish: ...a princess...

        John Bender
      • you are probably thinking that who are hanging out in slashdot are a bunch of long haired geeks in their mom's basement and half lit university labs.
        Actually, I've noticed that the Slashdot demographic seems to be changing (or rather, is staying the same but getting older). The jokes have slowly shifted from "not getting laid because I'm/you're a geek in Mom's basement" to "not getting laid because I'm/you're married"...
        • ehh, there is that, and there will always be the former because while old geeks are becoming developers, programmers, sysadmins, enterpreneurs, webmasters, it staff somewhere, new generations are growing up in their mom's basement.
      • slashdot is something much more bigger than you think.

        It's the biggerest!

    • by Pojut ( 1027544 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:58PM (#18506465) Homepage

      You probably think it's uncool because it isn't compatible with firefox for unga bunga linux or dragonfire BSD.


      My keyboard is now covered in soda, thanks.

    • Am I the only one who googled "unga bunga linux"? Sounds like a great name for a distro to me ....

      Built on Ubuntu, but having Kswahili as the interface language. Primary networking is via a bongo ppp (yes it's been done). Packages are called bungas and are managed by "apt-bunga".

      Or maybe not ....
    • by mykdavies ( 1369 )
      This comment made my day, thanks!
  • Of course they can, just look at Apple.

    They have an uncanny ability to enter an established market with a "cool" product and trample over the competition.
    • by otacon ( 445694 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:35PM (#18506039)
      Right but the article says can a corporation buy "cool". I think apple, at least Steve Jobs was/is cool, in that respect...Look at when apple emerged they were cutting edge with home PC's(I've seen Pirates of Silicon Valley too many times). Then look at the late 80's early 90's when Steve Jobs wasn't there, they almost went out of business, then Steve returned and you get iMac, iPod, OSX, iPhone, and whatever "hip" stuff they've come out with in the last 10 years.
  • by soft_guy ( 534437 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:32PM (#18505991)
    In fact, companies aren't really cool. At best, companies make good products and get a good reputation and then people decide that their products are cool (like Apple), but if you actively chase being "cool", then you end up looking foolish.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      So, in other words, cool works for companies just like cool works for people?
    • by Qwavel ( 733416 )
      WHAT ???

      So, Apple doesn't spend massive amounts of money on marketing and litigation to make (and keep) itself cool??

      There are tons of companies out there that make good products that are not cool. There are tons of companies out there that make bad products that are cool.

      Apple made good products and bought cool as part of an extremely successful strategy. When something un-cool comes up (eg. the wireless security debacle last year, or the report that Apple had one of the worst environmental records of th
      • I don't think Apple is any worse for the environment than anyone else. I think Greenpeace are just a bunch of cynical opportunists trying to blackmail Apple with bad PR.
    • by monoqlith ( 610041 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @04:07PM (#18507599)
      I disagree. Companies can try to be cool and earn the reputation for being cool. Apple is the perfect example. They just know what the fuck they are doing, so it doesn't wind up a tragic, sorry mess.

      When a corporation that doesn't know what the fuck it is doing tries to be cool, it ends up making a disaster of a product. And it's not because they tried to be cool. It's because they tried and didn't know what the fuck they were doing.

      Again, Apple and Google succeed at being cool because they are operated by people who know how to create that image. On the other hand, Microsoft, Exxon-Mobile, Walmart, et al. fail miserably, because they apparently have MBAs running their creative departments. They don't do shabbily, obviously, but their market appeal is more based on a utilitarian need rather than an aesthetic want.

      Now, one can make the argument that a corporation, as an entity, is intrinsically uncool, but that's all a matter of ideological persuasion. I'm merely talking empirically about what the broad appeal of these corporations seems to be.

      • "Again, Apple and Google succeed at being cool because..."

        You do realize Google failed at 'being cool' with Google Video, and they did exactly what the article talks about, only moreso; they literally bought 'cool', that is to say, they bought Youtube.
        • Of course, but Google has plenty of other products which have won out in part because of Google's 'cool' aesthetic. Google search won out for a lot of the same reasons that Apple products win out, simplicity of design and usability...Like with Apple, Google's products have become entrenched in our culture, and you can hardly go anywhere without both hearing about this new song on someone's iPod or how someone is going to Google such-and-such later....Google and Apple are very similar in that regard.

          With re
  • As far as I can tell, big corporations have almost always historically "bought the zeitgeist." Perhaps it is "uncool," but why should they care? They aren't teenagers, they are businesses. They are quite frequently unchilled all the way to the bank, which is their ultimate goal anyway.
  • by Hoi Polloi ( 522990 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:33PM (#18506015) Journal
    According to 99% of corporate marketing consultants just take whatever your message is and make it into a rap!

    Learning is fun! "I to learn, it's my style. I'm quiet in class and I always smile." *boom shika boom*
  • You can't buy cool. Cool is something you define personally. It's entirely subjective and based on whim. Corporations do business by trying to understand and meet other people's needs. If a corporation is trying to buy 'cool', they are trying to guess what someone else will think is cool. You will never guess correctly. The 'coolness' you are trying to buy becomes an imitation of what some corporate decision makers think Gen-Xers will think is cool, which is not coolness. Cool has an 'is-ness', a zen-like q
    • Cool has an 'is-ness', a zen-like quality that can't be defined. If you are trying to be, then by definition, you are not cool. You are a wanna-be.

      You can argue that the kind of cynical, postmodern, commercial/corporate kitch can be cool , but I say again, as long as something is being what it is, rather than trying to be something else to impress someone, then it is cool. If they are consciously going with corporate/commercial kitch with awareness, and embracing it, then they are being cool, being themselv
  • by east coast ( 590680 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:37PM (#18506087)
    In all honesty, who cares what CNet (or anyone else) has to say about these new sites? Does this mean that everyone who put up a website for any reason after the first one went up should have been labeled "My Website Too"?

    Once again we're going to see a catfight over technology being brought down to the same level as fashion.

    My advice for real geeks: shrug it off. Or do you want to be part of what is slightly above a Montel Williams show?
  • Most assuredly "cool" can be bought. I learned that from when Homer played the voice of Poochie on the Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie show.
  • by DoofusOfDeath ( 636671 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:38PM (#18506101)

    Can Large Corporations Buy "Cool?"

    Sorry, I'm not for sale.

    • ... in his latest rap: "I'm hot because I fly, you aint cause you not!"

      Oh yeah, in my lame attempt to be relevant to the topic:

      As long as the rich corporation brings the content in a reliable media format, the people will come.
      Your free first taste shouldn't come with a EULA.

  • by twitter ( 104583 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:38PM (#18506107) Homepage Journal

    Those that do not will die.

    This is very difficult for companies that are used to filtering your culture and promoting only a small subset, which they consider exemplary. That kind of cynicism can be seen back as far as the Beatles "Hard Day's Night" where a company follows the advice of their "resident teenager". In a world where original content can and does come from everywhere, big companies are going to have to get used to being one of many equal players. Those that do will be cool by definition. Those that don't will increasingly become keepers of legacy and irrelevant entertainment, kind of like museums.

    Cool is like stupid. Stupid is what stupid does. Both become apparent in time.

    • That kind of cynicism can be seen back as far as the Beatles "Hard Day's Night" where a company follows the advice of their "resident teenager".

      Really? You think that's the meaning of A Hard Day's Night? Methinks you're reading way too much into the lyrics:

      It's been a hard day's night, and I've been working like a dog
      It's been a hard day's night, I should be sleeping like a log
      But when I get home to you I find the things that you do
      Will make me feel alright

      You know I work all day to get you money to

  • it's just that it WORKS and you don't have to jump through any stupid hurdles.
  • by Weaselmancer ( 533834 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:45PM (#18506243)

    Can Large Corporations Buy "Cool?"

    Of course they can! A good example is the entertainment industry's Captain Copyright! [medialoper.com]

    Why, if that doesn't make little Timmy stop downloading his Metallica MP3s, then by golly nothing will! Captain Copyright is totally fresh!

  • Like the kid who [leaned] over and copied you in art class


    No, see... The cool kid didn't care enough to notice somebody leaning over and copying. They just went on making cool stuff.
  • TMZ.com is a pretty popular (maybe cool) site that is fully owned by aol. If they can pull it off, anyone can.
  • The summary asks two questions. Can corporations buy cool, and will they inevitably mess it up. The answer to both questions is yes.

    Of COURSE they can buy cool. All that requires is that you identify a cool idea, and then pay for it.

    The problem is that this isn't the workflow inside these corporations. They identify a cool idea, then they bastardize it, then they fund the bastard child of the good idea, and their idea. Their idea is generally crafted in order to fit with their corporate image. But their c

  • Of course a big corporation can buy cool! The only question is who you pay. The answer is "your consumers," not "your stockholders." Spend money making an innovative product and go out of your way to be helpful instead of *trying* to make a cool product and going out of your way to cut costs and max profits... and you have a good chance at being "cool."

    Of course, it is kinda hard for a big corporation to survive while thinking of its consumers wants over the bottom line, but then nobody said it was easy
  • by E-Sabbath ( 42104 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @02:58PM (#18506473)
    They can't buy cool. They _can_ earn it. IBM has gone a complete and total change over the last 20 years. Nintendo has over the last four.

    The coolness has to come from within.
    • Much to Disney and other large media companies that are trying to 'direct' popular culture chagrin it seems that as kids mature and become more cycnical that it is not possible to keep them on the paths of consumption or viewership that they would prefer.

      Disney has a lock on the under 10 crowd thanks to 'Little Mermaid on Ice' and direct to video releases of ToyStory 3, etc which the parents all lap up, and which are cross-marketed with Burger King, McDonald's etc. but it seems like that market becomes tota
  • Is this rhetorical? Hasn't microsoft successfully been doing "me too" for decades?

  • by Channard ( 693317 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @03:02PM (#18506539) Journal
    .. to go by, no. Remember how badly All I want for Christmas is a PSP [wikipedia.org] was? I don't think they'll ever get any better at it than that.
  • With the Youtube clone these companies are trying to build, it's not an issue of coolness, it's an issue of content. I'd say that 95% of Youtube users don't come to Youtube because it's so cool, but simply because they can get the content they want there -- music videos, clips or episodes from TV programmes, and so on.

    Even if this new website turns out to be the most dull, boring, embarrassing, wannabe piece of marketing crap ever devised: If you can watch enough free clips from the Daily Show on there w
  • Brand equity (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Meoward ( 665631 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @03:23PM (#18506901)
    It's possible, but very rare. Whenever a company is acquired, the acquirer's marketing department sets the tone from that point onward. If they're smart, they understand that they bought a certain level of brand equity, which is nothing more than the power of the acquired company's brands in the minds that make up the marketplace. They might also understand that this mysterious quantity is very hard to regain once it has been depleted. Assuming of course, that they care.

    Take the acquisition of Rolling Rock Beer by Anheuser-Busch as an example. RR had a brand that capitalized on its niche quality: We're smaller, but better, and we cater to the more discriminating lager drinker. (Whether or not that's true is debatable, I know, but that's the idea.) Add a little mystery like the "33" on the bottle, and some word of mouth (the branding equivalent of gold bullion), and you have a successful product over time. Rolling Rock is then perceived as "cool".

    So, A-B buys Rolling Rock. What do they do? They immediately try to sell it like Bud. Quirky but uninspired ads, flashy web site, increasing the scale of operations, closing the original brewery (now that hurts!), and so on. They figure hey, beer is beer, and we know how to sell it, right?

    Wrong.

    Most Rolling Rock drinkers by the stuff because IT ISN'T BUD, for starters. And the brand equity -- what marketing types christen that "cool" factor -- is being slowly but surely eroded.

    So it's not clear how Anheuser will enhance the brand, to try to regain lost ground. Or maybe they're just out to eliminate a competitor, and shaft the consumer in the process by wiping out one more choice. But maintaining (let alone growing) brand equity is a marketing black art, and one that most larger companies stumble over once they acquire another operation.
  • NBC already has their own content available on nbc.com for viewing, and they continue to take their content, such as SNL skits, down from YouTube. I think that is foolish, considering the only people who go to NBC.com are probably already viewers of NBC, so such clips do not expand their audience. But I guess that is their choice.

    But how could a new NBC-Tube possibly work? Why would anyone choose to post their content there instead of YouTube? NBC doesn't want to work with YouTube, why would the communi
  • There are a couple of cool success stories involving guerilla marketing by Nike and Mountain Dew.

    This is a favorite topic of Thomas Frank, author of the aptly-named "Conquest of Cool".
    Publisher's promotional page here [uchicago.edu].

    I am not affiliated one way or another, I just enjoyed the book, along with some of his others.
  • However, whether creative marketing can be bought... is up for grabs. The more marketing teams you pay, the greater chance that one of them will come up with a truly creative idea that will make your product print money. Unfortunately, you also run the risk of diluting tallent, and following safer routes, instead of more creative and more spontaneous routes. Its all about management and your ability to give your marketing personel the freedom to try new things.

    Case in point, Apple is no fluke. Every markett
  • by spiritraveller ( 641174 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @04:15PM (#18507725)
    Case in point: Nike tried for years to get into the skateboard shoe industry... [adbusters.org] an industry which has been dominated by smaller companies since its inception.

    At first, they failed miserably. But with each attempt, they learned a little bit more about how the subculture worked.

    Now they probably sell more "skateboarding shoes" than any other company.

    Of course, all they've done is buy the mind-share of young people through some adept marketing... but is there any difference between that and "buying cool?"
  • Actually if NBC started up a site that posted their NBC content that was easy for people to use and link to and such, they'd probably do quite well.

    The problem that most corporations get into when trying to delve into something cool, is their first instinct is to cripple the technology. Look at how cool Sony once was when they were doing just consumer electronics. They had the walkman, and the CD and such. After they bought up Columbia and tried to obtain "synergy" between content creation and consumer e
  • Sitting around worrying whether you're cool or not.

    By corollary, sitting around wondering whether someone else is cool or not is also not cool.

  • It seems to me there are two kinds of "cool." The first arises from genuine interest and shared excitement. I think back to the first time I played with a 512k Mac. I'd never seen a computer like that. It was so new, so different, and so exciting to me that I couldn't help but think it was cool. The first time I ever rode a mountain bike on single-track, I understood why so many people were getting into riding them. Again, cool.

    The second kind of cool is generated by vast marketing machines. Sometimes it

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