Please create an account to participate in the Slashdot moderation system

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
The Almighty Buck Businesses Software Technology IT

Fearing Tighter US Visa Regime, Indian IT Firms Rush To Hire (moneycontrol.com) 184

From a report on Reuters: Anticipating a more protectionist US technology visa programme under a Donald Trump administration, India's $150 billion IT services sector will speed up acquisitions in the United States and recruit more heavily from college campuses there. Indian companies including Tata Consultancy Services, Infosys, and Wipro have long used H1-B skilled worker visas to fly computer engineers to the US, their largest overseas market, temporarily to service clients. Staff from those three companies accounted for around 86,000 new H1-B workers in 2005-14. The US currently issues close to that number of H1-B visas each year. President-elect Trump's campaign rhetoric, and his pick for Attorney General of Senator Jeff Sessions, a long-time critic of the visa programme, have many expecting a tighter regime.
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Fearing Tighter US Visa Regime, Indian IT Firms Rush To Hire

Comments Filter:
  • by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @02:25PM (#53379189)

    H1-B skilled worker visas

    Depends on your definition of "skilled".

    • by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @02:46PM (#53379337)

      H1-B skilled worker visas

      Depends on your definition of "skilled".

      At 1/3 of the cost, it's rather irrelevant to those who do nothing but stare at the bottom line all damn day long.

      With those kinds of demonstrated cost savings measures, even system outages perpetuated by a lack of skills are somehow justified.

      • by Tangential ( 266113 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @03:39PM (#53379813) Homepage

        At 1/3 of the cost, it's rather irrelevant to those who do nothing but stare at the bottom line all damn day long.

        With those kinds of demonstrated cost savings measures, even system outages perpetuated by a lack of skills are somehow justified.

        This is the BS part of the H1B Fraud that is going on. If you look up the rules around H1-B one of them is:

        You must be paid at least the actual or prevailing wage for your occupation, whichever is higher. [uscis.gov]

        If this was being done legally, there would be no advantage to displacing the US workers; it would only be used for skills in short supply as it was intended. This law is being totally subverted by Infosys, Tata, WiPro and everyone of their customers that uses such replacements. I think that they would qualify for prosecution under RICO statutes.

        • by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @03:47PM (#53379855) Homepage Journal

          Doesn't even need any changes. They just need to vigorously enforce that rule and the one about the skills not being available locally.

          That's "available" without any qualifier or modifier, not "available at the wage they're prepared to pay".

          • First "prevailing wage" should be defined as within 1% of the mean salary for functionally comparable positions within the organization. For a sys admin the prevailing wage depends on the flavor and the sector and also the location. In the rural midwest salaries might top at 55k with the average being $35-45k. In Dallas that range is more $85k-150k with the division having to do with specialization and experience. If an organization has to pay an average of $120k/yr for sys admins domestically they should h
            • In the rural midwest salaries might top at 55k with the average being $35-45k. In Dallas that range is more $85k-150k

              Already debunked. In theory at least - see Requirement 4.

              https://www.uscis.gov/eir/visa... [uscis.gov]

              As I said before, there's no need for any new rules - they just need to enforce the existing ones properly.

              • No, it needs refinement. No fixed rate for minimum rate. Always a percentage above prevailing industry rate for the geographical area.

                Also no Contracting or Staffing agencies will be allowed H1B visa applicants, only the company sponsoring them. No third party payment processing for the applicant to eliminate the slave labor practice that is going on now.

                • Either a percentage (25% is reasonable, most benefits packages are valued there or below that) above the prevailing industry rate for the geographical area or within that same percentage above the pay rate of the highest paid employee who previously performed a functionally similar position within the last 2 years within the hiring organization, whichever is higher.

                  The only way you even have a chance of ending H1B abuse is to guarantee it will never provide a cost saving measure vs existing or local talent.
                  • I agree the monetary incentives needs to be permanently removed as a reason to utilize an H1B over local talent.
          • by Dan East ( 318230 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @06:51PM (#53381269) Journal

            Doesn't even need any changes. They just need to vigorously enforce that rule

            Sounds like you're talking about immigration law in general, that everyone is freaking out about on the left with our president-elect. The laws already exist, but what has been happening is "legislation" by the executive branch, by not enforcing law. Another example is the legalization of marijuana at the state level, when it's illegal at the federal level. I'm not attempting to open a debate on whether or not it is right or wrong that the federal government regulates it in the way it does (I am pretty adamant across the board that the Federal government has gotten way too strong and usurped too much power from the states), but what I'm saying is the inaction and lack of enforcement by the executive branch of laws passed by the legislative branch is a misuse of power and an imbalance in the three branches. This has been a problem with previous presidents, but Obama has taken lack of enforcement of law to another level. The judicial branch only gets to rule on cases brought before it, thus if the executive branch does not prosecute in the first place, the judicial branch is also totally removed from the picture.

            So in other words, the left has been flipping out over the mere enforcement of existing laws, and the H1-B enforcement is just another example.

            • Doesn't even need any changes. They just need to vigorously enforce that rule

              Sounds like you're talking about immigration law in general, that everyone is freaking out about on the left with our president-elect. The laws already exist, but what has been happening is "legislation" by the executive branch, by not enforcing law. Another example is the legalization of marijuana at the state level, when it's illegal at the federal level. I'm not attempting to open a debate on whether or not it is right or wrong that the federal government regulates it in the way it does (I am pretty adamant across the board that the Federal government has gotten way too strong and usurped too much power from the states), but what I'm saying is the inaction and lack of enforcement by the executive branch of laws passed by the legislative branch is a misuse of power and an imbalance in the three branches. This has been a problem with previous presidents, but Obama has taken lack of enforcement of law to another level. The judicial branch only gets to rule on cases brought before it, thus if the executive branch does not prosecute in the first place, the judicial branch is also totally removed from the picture.

              So in other words, the left has been flipping out over the mere enforcement of existing laws, and the H1-B enforcement is just another example.

              It's hardly just the left. The right has big advantage with illegals being here too, as it is the business owners who are profiting from cheap labor. But really, the main culprit in both illegal aliens and marijuana examples will probably be budgets. Deporting all those people would take something like 20 years and half a trillion dollars. Trumps wall is estimated at 200 billion and that is just for a fence like one fifth the border already has, and doesn't include the cost of watching and maintaining said

        • by Fire_Wraith ( 1460385 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @03:51PM (#53379873)
          This, exactly.

          These companies, and the companies that hire them, are performing an end run around the restrictions of the law that completely subverts the intent. Specifically, they do this by acting as a middleman, so that a company like Disney (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/25/technology/disney-h1b-workers/) or SoCal Edison (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-edison-layoffs-20150211-story.html) doesn't actually 'replace' a US worker with an H-1B. Instead, they simply subcontract out the positions (or the entire department) to a company like one of these, who just happens to employ H-1B visa holders working at a cheaper rate.

          This is the loophole that needs to be closed. These companies constitute the lion's share of H-1Bs, and make a mockery of the ones who are actually higher-paid expert workers in critical demand.
          • There's plenty of other loopholes.

            You post that you are looking for a "Software Developer II". With typical requirements for a Software Developer II. You then magically fail to find any qualified candidates by doing things like only contacting people who do not live in your state. So you hire an H1B visa worker at the going rate for a Software Developer II.

            But a miracle occurred! The guy you hired happens to be qualified to be a Software Developer V. So you give him those additional duties. Yet he's p

          • This was the same approach that was done at the Texas Department of Transportation. The entire IT staff of the TxDoT went to a contract to NTT Data (Nippon Telephone and Telegraph). Now they did keep existing employees, however downsized in the process shutting down offices in cities that were close (within a couple of hours travel). This approach is nothing new, however replacing your entire staff with H1B's is definitely illegal. That is why I was saying the use of H1B's should not be allowed for staff
        • Sure but even that gives wiggle room because they can take the average wage nationally instead of locally, allowing them to rural Missouri pay rates to cut metropolitan wages to half the actual prevailing wage. They also create impossible to qualify for postings so they can justify firing or not hiring the US talent and then hire an import worker who doesn't meet those qualifications. You don't have to justify the qualifications of the person you hire, you only have to justify those you don't.
        • by ghoul ( 157158 )

          They are not breaking the law. They look at a position advertised as needing 4-8 years experience with salary 70-90K as the prevailing wages. They will hire someone from India with 8 years experience at 70K. Over a period of 4 years his salary will rise to 90K. At that point he will probably have a GC EAD and move to a product company to do more valuable work and get paid more. The consulting companies are based on the precept that the work which is outsourced out does not increase in complexity every year

    • Oooo, this discussion thread is going to be really amusing. Globalist vs Nationalist Debate Round Number ???

      Quick get more popcorn!!!

  • by tomhath ( 637240 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @02:32PM (#53379231)
    There aren't any qualified IT personnel available in the US. Otherwise there wouldn't be any need for all those H1-Bs in the first place.
    • Beat me to it, damn you. Mod parent up.

    • by zlives ( 2009072 )

      true true, i guess US will just have to deal with the dregs of unskilled IT workers without qualifications other than a hastily procured certificate.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      bullshit... tell that to all the IT people at Edison Electric in California that got laid off, and forced to train their H1-B replacements.

      "They're just doing the jobs that americans dont wan't to do"

      Bullshit...

      the actual quote is "They're just doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do at 40% of its valued wages"

      go take an 60% paycut and come back to me with that crap you're sputtering. The people pushing for this shit is HP, Google, and Facebook. They don't think YOU should make $120k a year. They wou

      • by tekrat ( 242117 )

        .... and yet you'd probably be the first to complain if we elected someone who wanted to tax the rich bastards at a 50% tax rate, which would benefit everyone.

        That money could be used to feed the hungry, rebuild roads and bridges, pay for basic research that corporations no longer do, and help us pay off the crushing debt we are already under.

        • by e r ( 2847683 )

          ... tax the rich bastards

          Careful, you're revealing your ulterior motives (envy and greed).

          ... at a 50% tax rate

          Golden rule: how would you like to be taxed at 50%?

          ... which would benefit everyone.

          The fact that you are included in the "everyone" group did not escape my notice.

          That money could be used to feed the hungry, rebuild roads and bridges ...

          You're so altruistic when planning how to spend other people's money.

          ... pay for basic research that corporations no longer do...

          Because IBM (just to name a single example) isn't filing huge numbers of patents and innovations every year, right?
          Also, I like how vague and condescending your term "basic research" is.

          ... and help us pay off the crushing debt we are already under.

          Or we could stop giving money to foreign governments, s

      • Re:Rushing to hire? (Score:5, Informative)

        by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @02:53PM (#53379401)

        The people pushing for this shit is HP, Google, and Facebook. They don't think YOU should make $120k a year. They would rather pay an H1-B $40k/yr.

        Lacking identifiable sarcasm in the parent's post, this fact is not lost upon a single American IT worker today.

        Meanwhile they make 7 and 8 figure salaries. Make THEM take an 60% paycut if you're going to fucking cut someone's pay.

        Uh, you DO realize the reason they can pay themselves 7 and 8 figure salaries is due to the fact they've demonstrated considerable "cost savings" by outsourcing the shit out of the IT department, right?

        In other words, fat fucking chance of them stopping the very activities that feed and justify their obscene salaries and bonuses.

      • 40K is under the H1B min but there are ways around that. We need to enforce the laws on the books and have away for workers to reports abuses with out being kicked out or being fired.

  • A "fresher" is someone who is cheap to hire because they don't know sh*t.

    Most of the Indians in my US-based grad program self identify as "freshers". The professors all but beg them not to cheat.

  • Uneven (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @02:44PM (#53379315) Journal

    An article in the LA Times [latimes.com] describes how un-equal our trade deals are in terms of professions. Doctors and lawyers are protected from much offshoring & visa workers due to various laws and trade agreement exceptions, for example.

    There's no reason law and medical schools couldn't be set up other countries to train remote and visa workers on US law and medical practices. But our rules arbitrary limit or exclude those schools.

    You want cheaper ACA? make outsourcing and/or visa-ing doctors easier. Otherwise somebody who used to make $25/hr at a factory and now making $9 as a Walmart clerk has to pay $200 an hour for a doctor. One is zapped by globalization and one protected from it, creating a huge discrepancy between their service rates. Of course medical care goes up for such people. It's not ACA's direct fault.

    If the impact of globalization is spread around more evenly, then perhaps life won't be so difficult for those subject to globalized careers: their wages may go down, but so will their cost of living as others' wages also go down.

    Trump may be a babbling blowhard, but he has focused attention on this issue. Let's do it right this time: Spread the "love".

    However, something tells me the heavy lobbying money of those professions will buy protection. Blue-collar workers don't have the equivalent counter-bribing force. Lawyers and doctors won't accept a cut without a heavy fight. The rich simply have more weapons.

    • Blue-collar workers don't have the equivalent counter-bribing force.

      They most certainly do, but it looks like they didn't choose the winners in the election this year:

      https://www.opensecrets.org/or... [opensecrets.org]
      Carpenters & Joiners Union : Democrats = $23,278,997, Republicans = $436,816
      Laborers Union: Democrats = $21,409,886, Republicans = $459,250
      Service Employees International Union*: Democrats = $12,645,476, Republicans= $1,600
      Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers: Democrats = $10,507,556, Republicans = $159,818
      AFL-CIO: Democrats = $10,634,478, Republicans= $187,200
      Plu

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Tablizer ( 95088 )

        It could be that way first because most polls projected H would win. You want to influence the likely winner. Donations are not necessarily intended to finance campaigns, but to buy influence, and to do that you want to pay the likely winner.

        Trump also baffled the political managers of such organizations who would make those decisions, being T is such a different (non) politician. He was a wild-card that many didn't know what to make of. He won mostly the angry/revenge vote, and those in management of such

        • It could be that way first because most polls projected H would win. You want to influence the likely winner.

          Fair enough, but the list doesn't look that much different for the 2012 and 2008 election cycles. The Unions have traditionally been heavily Blue since Reagan's first term.

          https://www.opensecrets.org/or... [opensecrets.org]
          https://www.opensecrets.org/or... [opensecrets.org]

          User e432776 below posted that blue collar workers "have been leaving unions for decade". (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm). There are plenty of reasons for this, but part of it could be that the Union leaders aren't getting the message that their members d

      • Except for service employees international most of the people represented by those unions make over 100K/yr and are solidly in the 10%ers.

      • And there you have it, the contradiction: this isn't just big business and conservatives pushing this. The Left espouses globalization and multiculturalism; it also supposedly supports the unions and American worker's rights. The two are currently incompatible. How are the unions - essentially democrat- okay with American workers' standard of living being challenged and lowered by the influx of H1Bs and illegal aliens willing to work for 40% of a native worker's pay? Because if you challenge these progra
    • Re:Uneven (Score:5, Insightful)

      by swb ( 14022 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @03:37PM (#53379799)

      Doctors and lawyers are protected from much offshoring & visa workers due to various laws and trade agreement exceptions, for example.

      Mostly it's because the regulatory bodies for those professions are made up of...wait for it...people in those professions, and they are often statutorily empowered to make rules and often adjudicate problems. So the medical board is run by doctors who, surprise, surprise, rig the rules in their favor and limit qualification for their trade which has the effect of limiting the labor pool.

      In some ways it makes total rational sense, because why wouldn't you want doctors, who best understand the practice of medicine, setting the rules and standards for who can practice medicine?

      On the other hand, the fox is in charge of the henhouse. I had a friend get horrible dental care. In so much pain, he pretty much randomly selected the closest dentist he could get into on short notice and dentist 2 was horrified at the work. Dentist 2 documented everything wrong and what he did to fix it, solving my friend's problems. He submitted a claim to the dental board against Dentist 1 -- only to have the claim rejected as unsubstantiated. And why not? If a bunch of dentists gets to decide what complaints are legitimate, why wouldn't they reject a claim against a fellow dentist, even if another dentist provides documented clinical proof?

      • Tech workers should have similar professional regulation and an oath not unlike Doctors. This would create an ethical barrier to some of the terrible things tech workers are asked to do. Spam, military drone programs, massive domestic spying, work for the RIAA/MPAA/BSA. I know many tech workers who work on critical systems where mistakes could massive disruption and even loss of life on an epic scale and I've seen some of them replaced by completely unqualified and inexperienced foreigners. A tech manager s
        • by swb ( 14022 )

          We already have professional regulation for engineers with the PE licensing system, requiring a PE to sign off on a lot of critical engineering.

          I doubt it would be a panacea, I've worked with engineering companies on projects and most of the engineers, while degreed in engineering, were not PEs, and despite being actually college educated in the discipline often approached design issues worse than IT people with minimal formal education.

          I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen PE-style requirements for compute

    • trump is a republican (at least that's the party he belongs to) and those guys HATE workers and workers rights.

      I expect nothing to change as long as rich guys who run things get all the say in this country. workers have not had a say in decades and with an ALL R set of 3 branches of government, nothing will improve for the working guy. nothing.

      but the conservates had their 'stigginit' so there's that, I guess (deep sigh).

      • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

        you really have drank the coolaid if you think any member of congress is for workers and workers rights. Do yourself a huge favor and avoid the bullshit mantra that dems are somehow behind the working man. They just pander to get their money. In 2008 they controlled half the supreme court, the executive branch, and all of congress. If there was a chance to do ANYTHING for the constantly shrinking middle class that was 4 years they chose to sit on their asses and pretend everything including tropical storms

    • So your solution to one group getting fucked by globalization and outsourcing is to fuck everyone else so we're all reduced to the same shitty level playing field?

      Why don't we just stop everyone from getting fucked by globalization and outsourcing?

  • by tempmpi ( 233132 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @02:48PM (#53379359)

    It seems trivial to stop the abuse: Stop the lottery and replace it with a list ordered by salary and give the visas to the applicants with the highest salaries. This would make hiring H1Bs expensive and limit their use to hiring rare very talented foreigners.

    At the moment H1Bs are broken: The lottery often prevents bringing in highly talented people, while it doesn't matter too much for companies that just want a random cheap semi-skilled person. They just fill a lot of extra applications to get enough H1Bs granted.

    • Make the min 100K-120K on W2 and maybe X2 OT at 80 hours a week.

      Also cap the number of them at on corp so they can't all be channeled thought some staffing place.

    • by Guybrush_T ( 980074 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @03:23PM (#53379669)

      This is indeed a good solution, though it may have to be weighted depending on the area, otherwise Silicon Valley will get all the H1-Bs.

      But yes, those three Indian IT companies are the one abusing the system, and it is their fault if H1-Bs are so hard to get. They prevent other companies from legitimately bringing foreign talents by flooding the system.

      So of course they're fearing it won't work long, and I hope it will be the case. I don't really trust Trump to do this smartly, but if at least they can fix the H1-B system, that would be an interesting achievement.

      • by tempmpi ( 233132 )

        Some weighting depending on area could be a good idea, but needs additional measures to prevent abuse. Otherwise consulting companies will apply for H1Bs in a cheap area with very low wages and then move people to silicon valley soon after the visa has been granted. It also seems a good idea to give more H1Bs to areas with higher wages as these often indicate real shortages. Stricter limits on working hours are also needed, otherwise companies will cheat the system by paying a high monthly salary that is ac

  • The Big Lie Exposed (Score:5, Informative)

    by byteherder ( 722785 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @02:51PM (#53379375)
    If there really were a shortage of skilled IT workers in the US, then companies including Tata Consultancy Services, Infosys, and Wipro would not be able to hire anyone and would need to import such workers.

    Since they now are speeding up the hiring of skilled U.S. IT workers, there must not be a shortage to begin with. There by exposing the Big Lie.

    How will Facebook, Apple, Microsoft now react?
    • Honestly, they're so big that they'll likely just set up off-shore programming centers in India and not worry about the H1-B visa program. I really don't think it'll affect the corporations TOO much. It will affect the smaller/mid size IT groups that aren't prepared to deal with the hassle of off-shore.

    • If there really were a shortage of skilled IT workers in the US, then companies including Tata Consultancy Services, Infosys, and Wipro would not be able to hire anyone and would need to import such workers. Since they now are speeding up the hiring of skilled U.S. IT workers, there must not be a shortage to begin with. There by exposing the Big Lie. How will Facebook, Apple, Microsoft now react?

      Actually, those companies are now looking at college graduates, since that's the lowest cost workers they can get anywhere within the US. Since the H1Bs would be regulated in some way, they are looking at the cheapest US workers that they can find - entry level people who can be molded in the corporate culture.

      Just that from now on, off-shoring IT would have to be done for logistic, rather than financial reasons

    • and cisco and intel and juniper and and and ...

      any company with its own building in the bay area is probably close to 90% h1b filled.

      I was at cisco recently and english was rarely heard in the hallways. those that move here and live here usually speak english even if its their 2nd language. 'guest workers' could give a flying fuck and never even try to fit in to the local culture.

      its not a good situation. as someone who was passed over for many jobs, for many years, I would love to see the h1b program fu

  • Auction system (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @02:58PM (#53379461) Journal

    An auction system may reduce riff-raff and "shortage" BS.

    Have a base cap, such as 30,000 skilled visa positions a year, for example. Maybe have another 30,000 slots, but corporations have to bid against each other for them. If there is truly a shortage, they will pay a high wage for them, and select them for actual skill instead of for cheaper bodies who work long hours because they have no family etc. They wouldn't bid on actual people, just the salaries. And perhaps tax some of that to help pay down the national debt.

    • Or you could just eliminate it. Besides there's another visa program (EB-1) that can be used.
      • by slew ( 2918 )

        Or you could just eliminate it. Besides there's another visa program (EB-1) that can be used.

        The EB (employment based immigrant visa) program is basically one of the many ways to get a green card. Generally, before you get the a green card, you cannot work in the USA. Given the limits on the issuance EB green cards, the wait times are in the years so it makes this path pretty much intractable for companies hiring people (unless you are a big multinational company that is willing to employ someone in another country while you wait).

        The H1 visa program started as a non--immigrant visa for people work

    • Or we could exclude all things technology from the H1B program since the workers aren't actually needed.
  • by k6mfw ( 1182893 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @03:36PM (#53379783)
    With all this anti-immigrant attitude that is sweeping the country, and with lots of immigrants here in blue state of California (that appears like a foreign country compared to rest of US in this now Trump administration), where will this put many Silicon Valley companies? I heard Ro Khanna got a lot of backing from many SV companies to unseat incumbent congressman Mike Honda because Khanna is a proponent of more H1Bs (disclaimer: I've not extensively researched the details). I can see why many companies are going to push for more visas in these last two months of current Administration (do it while they can). Anyway, as I see Apple being pressured to bring back jobs to US (yeah, lots of luck with that) then there many other companies either friends with Obama and backed Clinton in the election, how will they fit into the Trump regime?
    • Anyway, as I see Apple being pressured to bring back jobs to US (yeah, lots of luck with that)

      My understanding is that this is less to do with possible pressure from the next administration and more to do with the massive counter-fitting problem they're dealing with

    • visas are fine. Seriously. NO ISSUES with green cards.
      The 2 big issues is the massive number of illegals living here (probably a lot closer to 30 million, not 12 million; last time, stats got it all wrong)
      And then the huge misuse of H1Bs.

      The solution is to add more visas for position based, as opposed to family based, while solving the illegals and remove the H1Bs.
      In addition, for the position based green card, the pay needs to be at least AVERAGE for that position (no less), while the taxes are do
  • I worked for about 9 years in one of the big banks, managing software testing teams.
    We uses infosys and TCS quite a lot, about 75% of my teams were from there - either offshore (India), nearshore (Mexico), or onshore (US).

    One of the reasons we used them was because they were flexible.
    Our teams were dependent on what projects got funded and got put on our roadmap. So we could have a project that needed to be staffed up in a month, test for 3 or 4 months, then either dissipate or roll onto another project.

    • So, you are saying that these big banks were unwilling to maintain adequate staff and due to decisions made at the beancounter level, you were left having to staff and destaff continuously. You talk as if these decisions were forces of nature but are in fact perfect examples of why US corporations are fundamentally evil. What they needed to do was staff up adequately and then phase the work in so the necessary crew got to the work when they scheduled it.

      Your now small team is made up of work visa holders

      • by gosand ( 234100 )

        Yes, you pretty much summed it up.... the way money moved around internally based on projects/business need/unknown forces was staggering. It was a machine, and I don't really know who was driving it.

        I am at a different company now, and my team is all non-visa employees. I am hiring and using the company recruiter, who basically posts the jobs, fields resumes, and seeks out local people on linkedin. We actually don't want to have to deal with hiring people on visas, but that seems to be the majority of p

    • my perception is based on the reality of what I am seeing well, I think I found your problem. Being in management, your perception is supposed to be based on what you WANT to happen. Even if it doesn't happen, you still pretend like it did, blame someone else, and move on to the next project!
  • This is the IT version of sending manufacturing jobs overseas. While I was not a "rah rah buy 'Murican" I agree that certain things must be built here. Or in their country of origin. Seeing my projector from Panasonic say "Made in China" is as sad as seeing a "Made in China" on the back of my iphone, my monitor, and some of my speakers - Klipsch - which USED to be built in Hope, Arkansas. Some models still are, but not the affordable stuff.

    So no... I will not shed a tear for these Indian companies, nor

  • they bring them in for 18 months, cycle them out, bring another one in for 18 months. Lather, rinse, repeat. It used to be 12 mo but they lobbied to get that extended. It's the same two guys for 5-10 years cycling in and out. They're not temps.
  • by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Monday November 28, 2016 @10:06PM (#53382269) Journal
    Every year the top US universities graduate a lot of really great students. They passed exams, know what the US engineering sectors expects.
    The students can get security clearances, know the USA well and work hard. They have a deep understanding of systems and networks.
    What is missing from the mix of students the US educates every year? Are the top % of every year lacking something that every US university cant/won't teach and every US profession wants?
    Have academic entry standards become so lax that very average students are been given top degrees for some reason? Making decades of US grades useless to any US profession?
    Has US academic work drifted so far from what the best US brands and firms need? What are US students doing for a few years then?
    Loans for a few years of campus in a holiday, party like setting? Scholarship not based on merit? Selected STEM but funding goes to arts and sport?
    Why does the USA need to fly in, look after, hire and even grant citizenship later to very average workers from other nations?
    What are other nations doing with education that can totally outclass every US student for generations?
    Do other nations have some merit based Gymnasium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org], Institute of technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] schooling?
    Do other nations have merit based public school exams, schooling that only helps the very best students for decades?
    What has happened to US exams and merit based advancement that cant offer US brands and firms what they need?

Trap full -- please empty.

Working...