8,000 New US Jobs? Trump Takes Credit For Sprint, Startup Decisions (usatoday.com) 267
President-elect Donald Trump has announced that Sprint is moving 5,000 offshore jobs back to the United States and OneWeb, a satellite Internet startup, is adding 3,000 more jobs in the U.S. From a report on USA Today: The jobs were made possible, Trump said, through Softbank CEO Masayoshi Son, a Japanese billionaire and technology investor, who met with Trump in New York earlier this month. After that meeting, the two businessmen announced Softbank would invest $50 billion in the U.S. and create 50,000 jobs. Softbank owns 80% of Sprint and this month it invested $1 billion in OneWeb, a venture that intends to offer affordable Internet access. Son called the investment a "first step" in his commitment to Trump.
That investment has been in the works for a while (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:That investment has been in the works for a whi (Score:4, Informative)
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
That's pretty much what the guardian [theguardian.com] is reporting.
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The gaurdian has tons of credibility, especially after the Snowden revelations. They certainly have more credibility than an anon poster who thinks they are pro Islamic? Where you you people get this drivel from?
From led-tainted water and a lifetime of supersized freedom fries cooked on bald eagle oil.
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A politician saying something that's not the whole truth? Inconceivable!
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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So we'll say "Thanks Thump" when anything good happens, like we did the "Thanks Obama" when something bad happened?
My ice cream cone melted and fell on the sidewalk. Thanks Obama...
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Tell you what, as soon as Trump says something that is true, then we'll give him plaudits for saying it.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Sanders v Trump (Score:2)
I don't know what happened in the phone calls between Trump and the executives who control Sprint, who has has worked with before. I do know that just because they were considering a move like this, that doesn't mean discussions with Trump didn't figure into the ultimate decision and announcement. In fact, if I were Sprint (and even actually being the head of a tiny company), I often wouldn't finalize major decisions during a presidential campaign. A year ago, Sprint / Softbank knew that the political and
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Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
My take: the companies in question are letting him take credit for it. They want to be on his good side. And the way to be on Trump's good side entails the following: (1) be obsequious to him; and (2) bring celebrities. One out of two doesn't hurt.
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GOP Definitions: "Creating jobs":
Keeping jobs that already exist in the US, in the US.
synonymous with: bullc*ap
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I'm confused. Surely the Republicans believe in the free market, which means companies should be able to do whatever the fuck they want.
Because anything else is cormanizzum, death panels and being obliged to make pink cakes for raving mincers.
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Not any longer, ever since Trump figured out the Republican voters didn't believe Republican economic theory further than they could spit a two-headed rat. And as it turns out, the Republicans in Congress were only spouting it because it sounded good at the time. Now it sounds good to suck up a lying sack of shit, they recognized him as one of their own.
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the Palestinians weren't negotiating in good faith before - they've never recognized Israel's right to exist.
Because Israeli policies are so focused towards a two-state policy. Except they keep building heavily fortified and armed Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land (these settlers are armed by the Israeli government and are afforded practical immunity for killings of Palestinians), have cracked down on elected Arab members of the Knesset (and also passed a law that allows them to be expelled from the Knesset by a 2/3 vote), deny Palestinian building permits and access to reliable water and electricity, a
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and will shoot dead teenagers who throw rocks at armored vehicles.
If dead teenagers are throwing rocks at armored vehicles then I strongly support not only shooting them but decapitating them and burning the zombie corpses. The last thing that area needs is a zombie apocalypse.
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Mother Jones is as credible as Stormfront. Echo chamber for a fringe.
Breaking news (Score:3, Insightful)
Politicians are self-promoters and they take credit for things other people did.
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Such shenanigans will never cease no matter what. Maybe we shouldn't pretend it's somehow worse when the other team is doing it?
Re: Breaking news (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree with this, and say pretty much every single election that $NEW_GUY is going to take credit or get blamed for whatever happens in the next 4 years.
Yeah, we should really quit doing that. Trump has nothing to do with those 10,000 jobs, Incidentally, jobs fluctuate by over 100,000/month, so gaining 10,000 in the almost 2 months since he's been elected is literally in the statistical noise.
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> Maybe we shouldn't pretend it's somehow worse when the other team is doing it?
Lets pretend that Trump is only doing it at same level as "the other team."
So what? Even if everybody does it, that's no reason to let it pass without criticism.
Especially if you consider yourself to be on neither team.
Remember a tu quoque fallacy is still a fallacy.
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Who cares if he did something that he's claiming credit for? Uh, me. How about that. And I'm not the only one.
Also, I wonder if Trump realizes that claiming credit for all these things could bite him in the ass. I mean, what happens if the economy takes a down-turn after he takes office? He's claiming credit RIGHT NOW for the uptick in Christmas sales, jobs coming back, etc. That makes it really hard to not "be responsible for" the economy ticking down after he takes office.
Oh, who am I kidding, he'll do wh
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You should reconsider that. I might be focused on being a great basketball player, but you shouldn't sign me to your NBA team unless I'm actually good at it. Results actually do matter.
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Want to keep those jobs? (Score:4, Insightful)
It will be a race to the bottom for Americans to lower their standard of living faster than China, India, Pakistan, Indonedia and Vietnam.
Own petard (Score:4, Insightful)
This is kind of our own fault. We're the ones who vote for POTUS based on how we feel the economy is doing, when there's very little evidence the POTUS has any significant effect on that whatsoever. (In actuality, its probably much like being a coach. A good one can't really help all that much, but it is possible for a bad one to royally screw things up)
If the economy is going to be our metric for how a President is doing, and there's no objective statistical backing for it, its only natural to expect that one would cynically use bogus statistics to pump himself up. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Oh, you mean I have to choose? :-( I was kinda hoping we were allowed to hate them both.
I'm not a fan of promoting hate against other human beings (it is literally against my religion). However, honesty forces me to admit I have no good comeback for this...
Onshoring (Score:2)
I think onshoring has been a trend for a while now.
What I've been noticing about Chinese goods made by Chinese companies versus Western-branded goods made in China is that while you can still get absolute junk for dirt cheap from the Chinese companies, medium- to higher-end goods from Chinese and Western companies is becoming on par in terms of quality and price. In some cases Chinese companies offer a thing that no Western company offers. That's right, actual innovation. For example, my wooden alarm clock/
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For example, my wooden alarm clock/Bluetooth speaker with Qi and USB charging. No Western company offers anything like that.
You sure about that?
https://www.kubesystems.com/in... [kubesystems.com]
Chocolate Rations (Score:2)
Curse of the Billy Goat - Broken! (Score:2)
Thanks to Donald Trump, the Chicago Cubs won the 2016 World Series #ThanksDonald.
Have we all forgotten how things are played? (Score:2)
I'm just astounded at the number of folks on Slashdot pointing out "these things have been long time in the works, Trump played no part in this!" That's some USA Today level commenting. Yes, we all know, anything good and the President-elect takes credit, anything bad and the President-elect places blame on the current President. This play is about as old as all get out.
If anyone is on here stating the obvious thinking they somehow are revealing the lie, well my assumption is that the Slashdot users are
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USD 50b investment for 50k jobs?! (Score:2)
That's just something I don't get. Investing USD 1 million in something and then creating just a single job in the process?! It's as if there's at least a zero wrong somewhere.
Re:Great news! (Score:4, Informative)
Those 5K jobs were part of a previous announcement from before Trump was elected.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-sprint-jobs-233019
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Those 5K jobs were part of a previous announcement from before Trump was elected.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-sprint-jobs-233019
Just imagine for when Trump gets his twitter bot code back from the Indian shop! Maybe they will even make it go directly to the presidential alert feed that can't be turned off!
Great News. I just $good_thing_exaggerated_or misrepresented. Cheer my greatness.
Sad News. $bad_thing.ToUpperCase() is yet more of the legacy left behind by the $blame_list_decorated[rand()].ToInsultLevel($degree_of_distraction_required).
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You're both morons, but a good deal of the jobs were headed overseas. They aren't "good" jobs, customer service and sales jobs. My guess is the tasty programming/IT jobs are still headed overseas.
Re: Great news! (Score:2)
Hey morons! "Moron" is a medical term for which none of you qualifies.
This has been your pedantic post for the day. Also I, too, had nothing of value to add and just wanted to get in on the moronic thread.
Re: Great news! (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't think those 5,000 jobs hand-delivering cellphones announced in 2015 are the same jobs being announced at the end of 2016.
The 2015 announcement is a possible number of jobs as a pilot program grows out of Kansas City.
The 2016 announcement is a transfer of 5,000 existing jobs located outside the US into America.
One is about new jobs, the other is about existing (mostly call center?) jobs back into America.
The only two things these reports have in common is the employer (Sprint) and the number of jobs (5,000)... Is Sprint still planning to hand-deliver cellphones nation-wide? It's been well over a year since they announced plans to do this nation-wide, but I've never heard about it.
Re: Great news! (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah just wait for the details to come in on this one. I'm sure it will be like the announcement that he saved Ford jobs, only to find out that the company had planned that over a year ago and it had nothing to do with Trump. Or like the Carrier announcement, where he claimed credit for jobs that were never being eliminated, and the rest of them have the big asterisk that Carrier is going to invest millions of dollars which we later discovered were going mostly to automation to eventually replace most of th
Re: Great news! (Score:2)
Lol....apparently I hadn't been keeping up on the latest news, because after reading other replies, apparently this is exactly what has already come out.
Gullible + Needy Trump (Score:4, Informative)
They've already asked, it was already announced, they've already admitted it was part of the already announced spending.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/28/trump-isnt-responsible-for-sprint-bringing-5-000-jobs-to-the-us/
"When I reached out to a Sprint spokeswoman asking if the announcement was a direct result of working with Trump or part of a pre-existing deal, she copy and pasted the press release I'd sent along with my first email. I responded saying I already had the press release and asked again if this was a direct result of working with Trump or part of a pre-existing deal in place. I tagged Sprint in a tweet about the situation, and it wasn't until after that started getting retweeted that the spokesperson responded...."This is part of the 50,000 jobs that Masa previously announced," she said."
I'm afraid Trump is very gullible and very needy. They can tell him anything and he'll fall for it like a child.
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Re: Gullible + Needy Trump (Score:3, Informative)
Did you notice this in the slashdot post above:
Trump announced the 50,000 new jobs that these 8,000 are part of - I don't understand why you felt the need to pester the Sprint press department over an obvious fact.
Tru
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Or like the Carrier announcement, where he claimed credit for jobs that were never being eliminated
Where did you hear that? These jobs were going to be moved to Mexico:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Here is the actual list of all his golfing .... http://obamagolfcounter.com/ [obamagolfcounter.com]
It is pretty long list.
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No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations, is now gonna impose sanctions on Russia to put Trump in a bind.
Good.
He is under no obligations to continue Obama's petulant policies
Yeah, because being the most petulant person ever to win the office, I'm sure he has his own policies to think about.
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if you haven't noticed Trump doesn't care what trolls think, he just does what he wants, so neither should you worry about it. Let the whiners whine.
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why stop at November 8th?
you idiots have already made it clear that you don't think the last year of the presidency counts, or hell, even all 8 years of it, questioning and denying the legitimacy of his powers since before he took office.
f all y'all morons.
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Yeah, these are the same powers liberals fear in Trump, and will spend the next odd years "questioning and denying the legitimacy of his powers since before he took office". You know, kinda like they are doing now.
Don't act like your side is better than the other side, they both fucking suck.
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Don't worry, this doesn't even come close to being the most contentious transition of power in US history. When Thomas Jefferson was elected, the Federalists spent the next couple months of a lame-duck session of Congress creating extra layers of judiciary and packing the bench with Federalists in an attempt to minimize the amount of change the Democratic Republicans could do [wikipedia.org]. Needless to say, that extra layer of Federal judges has since been removed, and the Federalists no longer exist.
Abstaining from a
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Seems you're just in denial that people would have opinions different from yours without being paid for it.
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I don't think Trump's term has started yet, but still he's credited for personally saving jobs which is something no president has any real power over. But everyone likes to shrink down the terms of office: can't take action just before a congressional break, or during a break, or just before midterm elections, or just after midterm elections when the lame ducks are still there, or during the holidays, or on a Tuesday, ...
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Normalizing, as in talking to Putin and determining where they have areas of common interest, and where they have differences. The Wikileaks stuff was something Assange got from a Democrat insider, like maybe Seth Rich, who was found dead in a DC park. They've specifically said that Russia is not who provided them the material
Re:Great news! (Score:5, Informative)
I swear the man using me as a pawn isn't using me as a pawn.
Trust me.
Also, does anyone else remember the time so long ago, like, about a year ago, maybe a tad more, where the GOP was all "Obama gotta bomb Russia cause UKRAINE, and show them he isn't a weak Russia lover!"
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And once again the Clinton Crime Family conspiracy gets spunk . You have zero evidence for the claim
Re: Great news! (Score:3, Informative)
Who promised the Rusdian leaders he'd have more 'flexibility' after his re-election? President Obama. [youtube.com]
Who mocked claims that Russia posed the greatest threat to America? President Obama. [youtube.com]
Who famously attempted to 'reset' relations with Russia, with comic results? Secretary of State Clinton. [youtube.com]
You can act like random tweets from the campaign trail are meaningful, that's your right, but the above were all done by our elected/appointed officials while in office.
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nameless faceless sources....like the director of the CIA, the head of the DIA, and the head of the NSA.
also, do you think the CIA just burns their sources in Russia so quickly?
or did you not realize that the evidence would itself reveal who those assets are?
read the news, the real news, for once in your life and you'd know why these agencies are being slow to write their report; it has to be done without also tipping their hand to Russia as to how they know.
and again: I am so glad we're more concerned with
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This would be the same CIA that claimed that Iraq had WMDs?
No. That CIA existed in the early 2000's. This CIA is almost a generation later.
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"I am so glad we're more concerned with some DNC emails that showed office staff being office staff, "
Yeah... that's all it was. No attempts to try and get Trump to be the nominee because the DNC didn't feel Clinton beat many of the others... no attempts to sabotage Sanders campaign in various ways. Nobody from CNN provided debate questions to Clinton... Just office staff being office staff.
"nameless faceless sources....like the director of the CIA, the head of the DIA, and the head of the NSA.
also, do you think the CIA just burns their sources in Russia so quickly?
or did you not realize that the evidence would itself reveal who those assets are?"
Except Wikileaks -- who LEADED the emails says they didn't get those from the Russians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new... [dailymail.co.uk]
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Minimization is the opposite of hyperbole. There are two extremes held by liberals, almost at the same time, for every position Trump takes. Here, I'll give you my latest discovery ....
Trumpism: "Make America Great Again"
Liberal: "America was never great!!!" (Minimization)
Same LIberal, five minutes later: "America was always great!!!!" (Hyperbole)
A liberal can hold both views at the same time, without even knowing it. The views come out depending on topic. In each case above, if it is something they don't
Re:Great news! (Score:4, Interesting)
You mean like telling the truth about a corrupt politician?
Didn't work.
He got elected anyway.
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there was only one politician running last election and it wasn't Trump.
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He is a politician now but before the election he most certainly was not. Are you that thick to not understand this basic concept? Let me help you out: What political office did he hold before November 8th? Idiot.
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He is a politician now but before the election he most certainly was not. Are you that thick to not understand this basic concept? Let me help you out: What political office did he hold before November 8th? Idiot.
He became a politician when he threw his hat in the ring in 2015. He became a successful politician in 2016. Do you not understand this basic concept?
His training ground on how to lie effectively and influence people was as a CEO.
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Announcing intent to run a campaign to become a politician is the same as being a politician? Running a campaign to get elected is now the same as being elected?
If I apply for a job does that make me employed? Or does that make me a prospective employee?
If I go to school for science does that make me a scientist? Or does it make me a prospective scientist?
If I announce my candidacy for political office does that make me a politician? Or does it make me a prospective politician?
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He became a politician when he threw his hat in the ring in 2015. He became a successful politician in 2016.
By that argument, he became a politician long before 2015.
His first attempt to run for the presidency was in 2000, when he sought the nomination of the Reform Party. [wikipedia.org] In fact, he toyed with the idea of running for president at least as early as 1987. [wikipedia.org]
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You are a politician if you are running for office, and even if you lose. When one is in office, ideally the politics should stop and the governing should begin.
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I guess, when I apply for a job I am an employee. Not a prospective employee.
I thought you had to hold a political office to be a politician like being employed to be an employee.
Words have meaning.
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Multiple meanings.
https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]
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Lots of politicians never run for any elected office. Any General Officer got there by being a pretty damn good politician, the officers that aren't good politicians never make it past LT Colonel.
If you hold an elected office then you are an Incumbent.
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Taking credit for a move that had already been planned for over a year makes you happy?
Re: *Very* happy (Score:3, Insightful)
The Obama administration took credit for jobs that weren't lost - an essentially made up metric they added to jobs created to claim credit for jobs 'created or saved'... I never heard that metric before Obama was in office, had you?
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Look, you can debate how deep a recession would have been without any particular set of policies. But this isn't an "up for debate" issue. The move was planned. There is no ground whatsoever to take credit for it.
Re: *Very* happy (Score:3)
You've been impressed by him taking credit for a bunch of stuff that he mostly had absolutely nothing to do with? I guess you are easily impressed.
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He's also telegraphed every company that the way to be on his good book is jobs... At least, from now on, whenever a company downsizes, it would be b'cos they're actually struggling, not b'cos they want to shave operational costs by moving offshore
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Companies can avoid Trump's wrath by spreading out the downsizing. They can fire a few dozen this week, and a few dozen next week, rather than a thousand all at once. They just need to keep it below the radar.
A better long-term solution is to hire fewer Americans in the first place. That way you don't suffer a political backlash if it doesn't work out.
Proof negative (Score:2)
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Easily answered, Trump could keep his name the headlines longer by stringing rubes like you along who somehow believe he's something better than Sgt. Bilko. Check your wallet and your bank account, with insight like yours, he'll have those with no trouble.
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Shovel ready never happened as Obama admitted...
The stimulus was too small, it should have been two to three times bigger. States were allowed to use the money for other things than "shovel ready" jobs.
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You never felt hope after Obama pulled the economy out of another Great Depression that, like the Great Depression in 1930's, resulted from failed Republican policies? I feel sorry for you.
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Your hatred is all over that statement.
If I have hated you, I wouldn't have felt sorry for you.
Thank you for proving my point!
What point would that be?
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Your sarcasm doesn't erase the fact that you immediately twisted my statement into a "Obama lovers vs. Trump lovers" type of statement.
That your interpretation, not mine.
That you and others of your type think you're being smug and insightful, but that everything you spew out is about hatred, polarized viewpoints, and about bullying those who you don't see eye to eye with.
I'm going to assert my opinion. You don't like it isn't my concern. If you feel like I'm bullying you, you need professional help.
I looked at your post history.
Then you know that I love trolling the trolls on Slashdot to keep me amuse while waiting for a script to finish at work.
You continue to prove my point with every response.
That's because you're closed minded. Nothing I post will change your mind. But I do appreciate your attempts to me amuse.
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BTW, I think it speak volumes that you cannot find other work-related things to do while waiting for your scripts to run.
I'm involved in an all day chat group while running scripts, responding to tickets and commenting on Slashdot. If someone needs my assistance, I'm immediately available. I'm the top performer in my department.
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High number of users/low bandwidth is what every provider does. TWC, Comcast, they oversubscribe their bandwidth 100:1.
Transmitters these days are very cheap for really long range, you can easily get 10 km transmitters and a number of receivers sub-$5k. Sprint bought enough bandwidth and can even convert some old analog systems to increase bandwidth.
A good WISP is often better than the traditional cable/DSL providers, you get better bandwidth, better customer service and often don't have any transfer rate.
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You are a moron, just for the record.
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Get a right winger on the court, then have the other justices call her out for being senile. Get it done before the next election cycle.