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China Unseats US As Global Investment Leader In Financial Technology: Report (fortune.com) 120

Paul Fernhout writes: China has unseated North America as the global investment leader in financial technology, or "fintech," according to Citigroup's latest report on "digital disruption." The researchers attribute the power shift to the rise of what they term "Chinese dragons," an industry term for the biggest upstarts in Asia. Think of Ant Financial, the payments spinout of Alibaba, as well as Lu.com, JD Finance, and Qufenqi, emerging eastern juggernauts that are generally less familiar to consumers in the west. China accounted for more than half of all fintech investments globally in the first nine months of last year, the report said. Specifically in terms of venture capital, the country more than doubled its worldwide share of the investment category, rising to 46% of the global total versus just 19% the same period in 2015. The U.S., meanwhile, sunk to 41% of the global total from 56% during the same period in 2015, putting it behind China.
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China Unseats US As Global Investment Leader In Financial Technology: Report

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  • Own goal! (Score:5, Informative)

    by mspohr ( 589790 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @03:28AM (#53726725)

    Trump kills TPP, giving China its first big win
    https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]

    "Economists have warned that many of Trump’s proposals — including suggestions that he would impose blanket double-digit tariffs on goods from Mexico and China — could backfire on the American economy by causing prices to rise or igniting a trade war,"

    A retreat from the TPP now gives Beijing, which has been negotiating its own trade blocs, a chance to fill a void. Since Trump's election, the Philippines, Singapore and Malaysia have shifted toward China's proposed Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, which would also reduce tariffs — without many of the standards put in place by Obama's plan — and redirect Asian trade China's way. Other nations in the region are likely to follow suit.

    • Re:Own goal! (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @03:48AM (#53726787)
      It's what slashdot overwhelming wanted and bitched about incessantly for the last 3 years or so.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        And the majority of us still do, apart from a few Soros-funded sockpuppet accounts. Fuck TPP, the entire world (except a few fat cats) is better off without it.

      • by mspohr ( 589790 )

        Yes.
        Now the US is shut out of the "benefits" of the TPP and China gains the leadership position.
        The TPP was deeply flawed but the flaws benefited the US greatly. Now they will benefit China.
        Trump's complete lack of understanding of geopolitics and economy has led him to this first (of many) stupid decisions... (how's the wall coming along, bozo)

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It's not a binary choice. TPP could be reworked into something good instead of abandoned.

        In any case, the other countries are now looking for someone to replace America, and the most likely candidate is China.

    • Re:Own goal! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Z80a ( 971949 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @04:25AM (#53726879)

      You know that TPP was not about america but the mega multinational corporations, right?
      It would contain the SOPA/PIPA shit, an shady tribunal that would allow the mega corporations to sue countries for "loss of potential profits" among other many, many fun things.

      • by mspohr ( 589790 )

        Yes.
        Now China gets to assume the leadership role benefiting China rather than the US.
        It was never about what is good for "the little people" but rather which a$$hole gets to be in charge and reaps the profits. China wins.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Why do you care so much about US megacorporations "winning" over China megacorporations? These megacorporations are multinational anyway. The TPP is bad.

        • by Z80a ( 971949 )

          US != Multinationals.

    • Re:Own goal! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jandersen ( 462034 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:03AM (#53726957)

      Exactly. China has spent the last several decades making friends in the developing countries in Asia, Africa and South America, before going on the charm offensive in particularly Europe. I work for a global organisation, and have colleagues from Pakistan, who can't stop heaping praise on China, and you can understand why. America, they say, comes in and behave like colonial masters, ordering them about, whereas China help them achieve things they need and which they take pride in - like a big highway from China to Pakistan, apparently, and a large seaport (if I remember correctly). Yes, everybody does understand that this also serves China's interests, but that is sort of obvious, isn't it?

      The point is - China are in a good position to take over from America, not just in APAC, but more or less globally; and probably in a much less threatening way than the US. A few years of Trump will help China enormously - when I talked to my Chinese acquaintances about Trump before the election, they all hoped that he would be elected - and it was not because they thought he will "make America great again". Brexit is another thing that they are quite happy about - it weakens both EU and UK, so they will be more open to making deals with China.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Yep, and what does the world see of the USA.... bombs being dropped on other countries, mass shootings, government officials telling us all how the USA has a big stick, how the various LEOs ignore the laws and spy on their own people, how the police seem to shoot and kill with impunity.

        America is looking more and more like a bully trying to force policies that are solely in favour of America on the rest of the world.

        And then you elect a pathological liar to lead your country making it look more and more tha

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by argStyopa ( 232550 )

        Except, it's a non-fungible choice.

        The US has led the free world for 70+ years, and is taken for granted by its allies and even the neutrals - the US military protects them, so they can spend $ on butter not guns (and then out-compete US industries). The US taxpayer's checkbook funds their social spending so they can complain freely about what a shithole America is.

        We're spending $billions on foreign aid...that we have to BORROW FROM CHINA. That's like taking out a mortgage so you can continue making dona

        • Re:Own goal! (Score:5, Insightful)

          by dunkelfalke ( 91624 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @12:58PM (#53729159)

          You're overwhelmed with troublesome refugees? Maybe a coast guard or even some semblance of border security is YOUR problem, we're not taking any of them.

          Now that really pisses me off. USA has destabilised the region in first place. You break it - you buy it. But instead you insist that they are not your problem.
          That is why I say "fuck you and the horse you rode on in".

          • Please let me know when the Middle East hasn't been an unstable, violent, shithole.

            Our first involvement with the region as a state was when Barbary Pirates captured and enslaved US sailors. One might say that everything after that is karma.

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      This is good in my book. It means that the Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia and so on will now get the absolute ass-reaming that the US would have gotten if they signed on with TPP. Any trade deal negotiated in secret from the people should be pissed on and burned at the first opportunity.

    • The TPP was that treaty that was such a Christmas tree of special corporate interests that it was kept secret until the last possible moment. The WaPo represents its big business backers in this issue, while all the major 2016 candidates opposed it.

    • I heard on the radio. He's theoretically he's going to get rid of TPP. - And he's theoretically going to replace it with something worse. ???
  • Tradewar (Score:5, Insightful)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @03:28AM (#53726727)

    We are going to put tariffs on imports? That will not help the economy. It won't help anyone.

    Products will get more expensive for people who have money and incomes today. If we forcefully bring manufacturing jobs back here, it means that workers and business owners have to pay extra for goods due to the salaries of the workers in those jobs.

    I mean, we have 90 million people not working today of which only about 20 million can probably work -- maybe even less. The rest are either too young, students, disabled, or old.

    So we are going to put that 20 million to work, by paying $10 for a screwdriver instead of $5? By paying $300 for a phone that may cost only $200 today?

    From the perspective of an income earner isn't that worse than being taxed and having a portion of the tax go towards welfare for the unemployed?

    The advantage of giving someone welfare over paying them to do unnecessary work is that the person on welfare would have time to learn new skills plus you lose the overhead costs. And yes if someone or something else can do my work more efficiently then my work is by definition unnecessary.

    • by thesupraman ( 179040 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @03:45AM (#53726775)

      Yes.. You are addicted to cheap consumer goods.
      Right now that means a proportion of the money you spend hours to China.. And a big lump goes to offshore tax havens for the corps.. But at least their domestic share price goes up..

      However.. Very soon those goods will be designed owned and build by purely Chinese companies. Then much more of what you spend will leave the country.. forever.

      So.. you can either give up on your cheap consumer goods of wave goodbye to your economy.

      It's really that simple. China is already out spending America on r&d. It's people are more success hungry. They have less invested in a nice safe middle class existence. They are going to innovate and produce you in to the dirt.
      In exactly the same way the us did to Europe back in the day.

      Your choices are few and difficult.

      • by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @04:02AM (#53726813)

        No, it won't leave America forever.

        First off, as an aside, we aren't giving the Chinese money for nothing. They are giving us product in return. We keep the benefit of that product forever. Even if it's a toy that helps in child development. The lower cost screwdriver may allow you to live in a better house.

        More importantly, the money isn't gone forever. You seem to believe that we will never be able to offer anything the Chinese would ever want. That's just basically false. They are buying stuff from us like airplanes, construction equipment, entertainment, and high tech stuff. Even though they have 1.3 billion people, they still cannot and never will be able to make *everything* they would ever want. It's basically defeatist to say the Chinese won't want anything we can make. How does Germany have a trade surplus with China? Germans buy nearly as much stuff per capita from China as Americans .. yet they are consistent with a trade surplus with China. That's because Germans have figured out what Chinese want to buy and they are selling to them. China gets a lot of its machinery from Germany. Germany doesn't have tariffs on China and it does robust trade two ways.

        • by thinkwaitfast ( 4150389 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @04:12AM (#53726837)

          We keep the benefit of that product forever.

          Not if it breaks after one use

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Yes, you get to keep all the pieces.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            So buy (and pay for) quality, no matter if the product comes from China. Not that it matters - China will be like Japan soon enough. First, lots of simple factories. Then the factories compete, and quality control begins. Build better or go bankrupt. In 30 years, "Chinese" might mean high quality.

        • More importantly, the money isn't gone forever.

          The US only needs to send goods and services back the other way to otherwise prevent a trade imbalance that would collapse the USD, making the country unable to afford more goods. But that hasn't happened because the Chinese do not allow their businesses to freely dispose of the USD they get for selling their goods. Instead the USD they hold gets stuck in US treasury bills, real estate and the stock market, which keeps the USD strong against the RMB and allows Chinese mercantilism to continue. Indeed, it is

        • They are buying our land. That is what they want from us.

        • They are giving us product in return. We keep the benefit of that product forever.

          At least until its lithium battery spontaneously explodes.
          Because nobody in the quickly formed assembly chain (including the uncle of the neighbour who previously did work on a vaccum cleaner assembly chain. He did a bit of soldering. He should be okay to work on this hoverboard, right ?) did think about putting a battery management chip, or even a simple fuse.
          ("But this hover board costs only 249$ ! The other used to cost 1199$ !!!")

          Even if it's a toy that helps in child development.

          Yup ! The child will be helped a lot ! Specially by the lead poisoning (a

        • More importantly, the money isn't gone forever. You seem to believe that we will never be able to offer anything the Chinese would ever want. That's just basically false. They are buying stuff from us like airplanes, construction equipment, entertainment, and high tech stuff.

          Actually, China has their own high tariffs on externally produced goods. The result is a near exclusive use of domestic goods and a much higher inflow of money than outflow from other countries.

        • by imidan ( 559239 )

          We keep the benefit of that product forever.

          What about products that have no benefit? I was standing in the supermarket checkout line last night, and there was a display of giant foam fingers (more elaborate and sculpted than the ones I've seen before--called Ultimate Hands, apparently). The whole lot of it is completely landfill-ready. There is no conceivable benefit to our society from this junk. How much money do we send to China (and other places) every year in exchange for plastic and other non-rec

          • I'm sure there are a lot of people who could would be entertained by Ultimate Hands. Entertainment increases one's ability to be creative and productive.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        There is another option. Don't compete on cheap consumer goods. Compete on expensive consumer goods and services.

        Services in particular are somewhat immune to being performed overseas. Aside from the language and timezone barriers, it's difficult for someone in India to serve you your morning coffee in New York.

        People don't like to change jobs or re-train in new skills, but it's necessary these days. The manufacturing jobs aren't coming back, certainly not at 1950s wage levels.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      We are going to put tariffs on imports? That will not help the economy. It won't help anyone.

      Products will get more expensive for people who have money and incomes today. If we forcefully bring manufacturing jobs back here, it means that workers and business owners have to pay extra for goods due to the salaries of the workers in those jobs.

      I mean, we have 90 million people not working today of which only about 20 million can probably work -- maybe even less. The rest are either too young, students, disabled, or old.

      So we are going to put that 20 million to work, by paying $10 for a screwdriver instead of $5? By paying $300 for a phone that may cost only $200 today?

      From the perspective of an income earner isn't that worse than being taxed and having a portion of the tax go towards welfare for the unemployed?

      The advantage of giving someone welfare over paying them to do unnecessary work is that the person on welfare would have time to learn new skills plus you lose the overhead costs. And yes if someone or something else can do my work more efficiently then my work is by definition unnecessary.

      Putting in place super tariffs will help Trump get elected again in 2020 because the damage will not have been full done by then. Even if his super tariffs and trade wars haven't improved things by the end of this term US voters will be wanting to 'give him a chance' by voting him into office again since he'll blame things on liberals sabotaging his efforts. US voters have always eaten up promises of lowering taxes and deregulation even though it mostly benefits the rich. You can now add blaming foreigners

    • The advantage of giving someone welfare over paying them to do unnecessary work is that the person on welfare would have time to learn new skills plus you lose the overhead costs

      Welfare: Give the person the money to live. Whether he takes the time to learn new skills is up to him.

      Subsidized labor: In order to get the money to live, the person is forced to learn new skills to work a job (or use skills s/he already knows).

      I'm actually pro-free trade and globalization. But it's been obvious for over a

    • If we forcefully bring manufacturing jobs back here, it means that workers and business owners have to pay extra for goods due to the salaries of the workers in those jobs.

      Unless those salaries come down, of course. If the choices are that you either accept lower pay or everybody lose their jobs, what do you do? How can you fight that? Maybe there will be more jobs, but there will be less for each worker.

  • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @09:35AM (#53727707)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... [huffingtonpost.com]

    One major emphasis of the TPP was expanding US copyright and patent "protection" internationally, provisions which large-corporate globalists desperately wanted. All sorts of copyright terms would be extended, generic drugs would be more expensive and harder to get. Go ahead and support Hollywood and Big Pharma now that Trump was the one to kill it. Had Clinton or Sanders been the newly elected president to kill it, we would be hearing from a different set of critics.

  • Realistically what is going on here is that china has started investing in this area, as it has massively behind - the US and Europe are miles ahead, and China aren't even on the radar. I'd suggest London is the centre for development, whilst the US provides the hardware expertise. I'm pretty certain i've not worked with any Chinese kit over the years in trading systems, and i'd be surprised if this became common for various reasons (and let's face it, security concerns would be on the list).

  • A big part of the cause of the 2007/2008 crash was too much financial innovation (mortgage-backed derivatives, specifically). This may make help China's economy seem to be growing well in the short-term, and will almost certainly make some people rich, but it's very likely to blow up in their faces.

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