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Zuckerberg Shares Facebook's Plan to Bring Community Together, Edits Out a Questionable Sentence Minutes Later (mashable.com) 104

Facebook CEO and founder Mark Zuckerberg wants to bring people closer together. He published a 6,000-word letter on his Facebook page Thursday to outline his vision for the kind of world he thinks Facebook can help create. The free-wielding note included few specifics, but offered a number of broad, ambitious goals for how the tech giant can contribute to a better understanding of everything from terrorism to fake news. Interestingly, minutes after the post was published, Zuckerberg edited out a sentence from the letter. Mashable adds: In the post, Zuckerberg briefly touches on how artificial intelligence can be used to detect terrorist propaganda. "Right now, we're starting to explore ways to use AI to tell the difference between news stories about terrorism and actual terrorist propaganda so we can quickly remove anyone trying to use our services to recruit for a terrorist organization," he wrote in the post published Thursday. That sounds like a straightforward enough application of AI -- one that's in line with what Zuckerberg and other executives have discussed in the past -- but it's different from what the CEO had originally written. In an earlier version of the missive, which was shared with a number of news outlets in advance of its publication on Facebook, Zuckerberg took the idea farther. The "long-term promise of AI," he wrote, is that it can be used used to "identify risks that nobody would have flagged at all, including terrorists planning attacks using private channels." Here's an expanded version of the quote from the Associated Press (emphasis ours). "The long term promise of AI is that in addition to identifying risks more quickly and accurately than would have already happened, it may also identify risks that nobody would have flagged at all "including terrorists planning attacks using private channels, people bullying someone too afraid to report it themselves, and other issues both local and global. It will take many years to develop these systems." That's different from what was described in the final version that was shared Thursday, which made no mention of private communication in relation to AI and terrorism.
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Zuckerberg Shares Facebook's Plan to Bring Community Together, Edits Out a Questionable Sentence Minutes Later

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  • That sounds grand! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by XxtraLarGe ( 551297 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:04AM (#53885685) Journal

    it may also identify risks that nobody would have flagged at all--including terrorists planning attacks using private channels, people bullying someone too afraid to report it themselves...

    And also, coming soon: PRECRIME!

  • Seriously (Score:5, Informative)

    by JustNiz ( 692889 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:09AM (#53885711)

    Anybody that uses Facebook as a news source is a complete idiot.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      >*Anybody* that uses Facebook is a complete idiot. FTFY

    • by gnick ( 1211984 )

      This quick link [journalism.org] breaks down news consumption by social media outlet. Unfortunately, a great many people fit your definition of "complete idiot." Fortunately, they check their news sources against what's trending, so what could go wrong?

      • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

        >> Unfortunately, a great many people fit your definition of "complete idiot."

        Yes that's something I've been aware of for a long time. I often question whether I'm perhaps being too harsh, but they continually find new ways to prove I'm actually not.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      The problem is not that people are seeking news through facebook; the problem is that they're seeing what other people post on facebook. That loosens the control of the media, which is a major problem, as they have lost control of the narrative. Scan the front page of the NY Times or CNN's webpage for a week and you'll realize that the narrative is 100% focused on destroying Trump's presidency. Facts be damned, though they'll be included if convenent. Facebook allowing people to post, and worse, to aggregat

    • That's right. The smart people use it as an advertising platform.

    • by bluefoxlucid ( 723572 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:10AM (#53886119) Journal
      My primary news source is The Onion.
    • Like anyone who lets themselves be influenced by commercials or product placement is a complete idiot?

      Shit affects you whether you realize it or not because all people, "idiots" or not, are irrational. You see a friend post "TRUMP IS ENDING THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND KILLING KIDS!" and you think "That's stupid," but you subconciously have a slightly more paranoid opinion of Trump.

      And obviously the reverse is true. At least I hope. Otherwise, my father and mother in law went from sane Navy veterans to vo
    • everyones business is everyones business. thats facebook. not that there is anything wrong with that.
  • First step: (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:10AM (#53885715)

    First step: everyone presto sign up for a FREE AWESOME facebook account!

    Then we will see...

    C'mon, Zuckie, little rich asshole. Your sense of entitlement is absolutely disgusting.

  • by Digital Avatar ( 752673 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:13AM (#53885741) Journal

    The Computer has identified this thread as containing FAKE NEWS and other ungoodthinkful Hatefacts. This thread is therefore terminated. All readers are ordered to report to Room 101 for re-education. Failure will reuslt in a declaration of being PROBLEMATIC and sentence to six months of hard nagging.

    REMEMBER: THE COMPUTER LOVES YOU.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Aehm, are these not called "ALTERNATE FACTS" now? Or is that only when they cam from the ruling Junta?

      • I gather you're too politically naive to understand the difference between the inept statements of an inexperienced administration and the threat of widespread, automated censorship?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Zuck2020 will be the first US presidential campaign run by VR. And it will be a bigger disaster than Trump2016 in the sense of getting the greater evil elected.

    And Zuck will probably run as a Republican.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The free-wielding note...

    Perhaps you meant "free-wheeling"? Maybe?

  • All these words (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nyri ( 132206 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:30AM (#53885861)

    Sound like high minded excuse to start use the platform for political purposes. All these words "bullying", "fake news", etc. are code words involved in liberal virtue signalling. "Fake news" is something that those evil right wingers do (especially it does not apply to New York Times, et al. or any garbage coming from BLM or other such outlets). "Bullying" is anything that makes a member of a designated minority group feel bad. Facebook is going the same way as Twitter.

    Given Facebooks enormous reach, I think we can say that rarely has world placed such a huge power in the hands of one individual. We are unfortunate that the individual in case is Mark Zuckenberg, a man so insecure that he needs constantly signal his virtue. I guess it was only a matter of time until he would succumb to this. This is going to be a slippery slope and is going to get worse. As it does, it will become harder and harder to call out liberal bullshit (Trevor Martin -type of misinformation) as contradictory views to orthodoxy is hidden deeper and deeper.

    People who are repelled by this (I think term "red pilled" is used) feel (with justification) that they get better information from such luminaries as infowars.com and breitbart.com. O tempora, o mores. Five years ago I didn't expect that I would seriously say that there are any sane reasons that one should pay any attention to infowars.com. (Just to make it clear: I am NOT endorsing infowars.com in any way possible. I'm just saying that due to general drop in quality in other news, it has become relatively better.)

    As a side note, this trend has pushed me back to the Slashdot. It seems that, one again, this is almost the only place where even some sane voices are heard. (Ten years ago it Slashdot was for the place to be for a different reason.) Reddit has become unreadable, twitter also, now facebook, and so on. Case in point, the coverage of PewDiePie -scandal in past day was covered best here on slashdot. Decent analysis, perspective, opposing views, etc. in comments that was not available anywhere else. Thanks folks, keep it up. You might be the last best hope for humanity until news media fixes it self.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      News media is valuable, just like the U.S. dollar--they're both only real in the eyes of the maggots in the cheese.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I mostly get my news from youtube channels now. It is a very strange place to be in were I clearly can see that I don't get the whole story from the old giants.
      I won't even bother to watch news channels anymore. .

      Regarding the pewdiepie thing. It so weird that if I want the level headed insight to that whole thing, I would go watch Philip DeFranco instead of WSJ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      What the fuck is going on?

      • Drudge's Fault (Score:1, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Actually its ABC's fault.

        Back when Clinton was president, the story about Monica was given to ABC 3 times over a 8 month period. They buried it every time they got it. There is no telling how many stories the "big 3" buried.

        Matt Drudge made a website and put the story up, he thought it was interesting. Here we are 20 years later and Drudge is still around. That is THE first time I know of a story buried by the "big 3" got national attention. They have been mad since then that they can't bury stories th

        • > Actually its ABC's fault.
          >
          > Back when Clinton was president, the story about Monica was given
          > to ABC 3 times over a 8 month period. They buried it every time they
          > got it. There is no telling how many stories the "big 3" buried.

          Add Newsweek to the list. http://australianpolitics.com/... [australianpolitics.com]

          > At the last minute, at 6 p.m. on Saturday evening, NEWSWEEK magazine killed a
          > story that was destined to shake official Washington to its foundation: A White
          > House intern carried on a sexual aff

      • by s.petry ( 762400 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @01:47PM (#53887259)

        Sargon of Akkad did a video explaining the Pewdiepie [youtube.com] situation very well. Sadly the only people who want to learn are people who don't know him (like me) or get information from the far left who started the petitions, threats, etc... Those people are stuck in confirmation bias, so will simply call Sargon a [insert_ism/obe]. People who knew him already knew this was coming so don't need the lesson.

        I "almost" agree that Youtube has become a better source of information than broadcast "news", but probably for different reasons. There are a few people I subscribe to and follow, but most of the time I use that information to find sources. It takes me 5 minutes to read a transcript versus 5 minutes to read someone's analysis of a transcript. When the majority of media ignores information that does not fit a narrative and cherry picks for an agenda, my time is better spent with the actual source making up my own mind.

    • All these words "bullying", "fake news", etc. are code words involved in liberal virtue signalling.

      Oh Golly Gosh, here they come with their code words to take away our liberties.

    • Re:All these words (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:50AM (#53886409)

      Sound like high minded excuse to start use the platform for political purposes. All these words "bullying", "fake news", etc. are code words involved in liberal virtue signalling. "Fake news" is something that those evil right wingers do (especially it does not apply to New York Times, et al. or any garbage coming from BLM or other such outlets).

      The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one......from Trump's very own press conference yesterday:"Russia is fake news....You know what they said, you saw it and the leaks are absolutely real. The news is fake because so much of the news is fake." So Trump is liberal now and CNN is right-wing?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The problem is that someone (I think intentionally) co-opted "fake news" to mean "biased reporting"- that's not originally what it meant at all and a lot of people are still using the term to mean something else. "Fake news" originally (as in a couple of months ago) meant completely fabricated stories. "Trump derives his power from secret Mayan ceremony" "Hillary feeds on the blood of wildebeasts" - that kind of crap that was going around Facebook at the time like it was legit. Now anything anyone doesn't l

      • The problem is that someone (I think intentionally) co-opted "fake news" to mean "biased reporting"- that's not originally what it meant at all and a lot of people are still using the term to mean something else. "Fake news" originally (as in a couple of months ago) meant completely fabricated stories.

        You gotta understand free expression of language these days -- I guess they're just "free wielding" the term.

        (Or, at least that's what I'm guessing these two words from TFS might mean when put in sequence. But from the summary, I still can't understand exactly what Zuckerberg's note was "wielding." Didn't know Slashdot was into actually spawning NEW eggcorns.)

    • by Anonymous Coward

      "Fake news" is something that those evil right wingers do

      No, "fake news" is something those evil right wingers believe.

    • the coverage of PewDiePie -scandal in past day was covered best here on slashdot.

      I think PewDiePie was a "don't care"

    • Re:All these words (Score:5, Interesting)

      by allquixotic ( 1659805 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @01:38PM (#53887181)

      Sound like high minded excuse to start use the platform for political purposes. All these words "bullying", "fake news", etc. are code words involved in liberal virtue signalling. "Fake news" is something that those evil right wingers do (especially it does not apply to New York Times, et al. or any garbage coming from BLM or other such outlets).

      Deception, coercion, half-truths and complete fabrication are not, and have never been, tools used exclusively by people with one particular political leaning or another. They're used by leftists, rightists, centrists, libertarians, conservatives, liberals, democrats, republicans, greens, independents, tea partiers, anarcho-communists, fascists, feminists, masculinists, and everyone in between or beyond.

      It might be the case that a certain number of news outlets could be liberally biased enough to use these tactics to undermine right-wing political viewpoints, but this in no way prevents or exonerates those outlets which are right-wing, from using the same tactics.

      If your complaint then becomes that there are too many liberal news sources and not enough mainstream conservative news sources, then you're basically saying that you want the news to present you with lies that agree with your personal political dogma, rather than lies that attack or offend your personal political dogma.

      If you think that a change of color or movement along a right/left spectrum will in any way affect the frequency and severity of lies, deception and coercion used by the mainstream media, you would be plain wrong in that belief. ANY politically motivated organization, regardless of what agenda they're pushing, is going to distribute deceptive and patently false information, also known as propaganda, that supports the agenda they are being paid to push.

      The only way to return news media to reporting on objective truths observable by scientifically rigorous methods, and away from speculation, hearsay, the passing of rumors and fabrications, and opinion-slinging (all of which are inherently biased toward some particular set of beliefs, and in the context of politics, toward some particular set of political beliefs), is to forcibly separate media from financial incentive. Capitalist media is always going to be propaganda for someone.

  • Obvously he's using vi..

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:37AM (#53885913)

    The ones "planning" terrorist attacks using a Facebook channel are called "pathetic losers without a clue". Chances are they only think about doing something terroristic because some FBI provocateur suggested it to them and will be providing fake explosives and the like.

  • Zuck off (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:37AM (#53885917) Homepage Journal

    Zuckerberg has some serious delusions of grandeur. He was in the right place at the right time to pinch someone else's idea. He was able to promote it and make a lot of money out of it.

    That doesn't mean he's an expert on everything under the sun. His opinion on most things is worth no more than the typical slashdotter's and he doesn't know more than the proverbial bloke at the pub.

    P.S. Hey manishs, you fucked up the quotes again.

  • by Eric T Duckman ( 4391433 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:08AM (#53886107)
    The Dickian "pre-crime" possibilities of knowing everything someone looks at or talks about on the net is so obvious that I assumed that everyone knew it was coming, so my only surprise in reading this story is that Zuckerberg slipped up, even momentarily, and admitted that's what he was working towards.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Speaking as a guy who uses Facebook entirely to push my novels, Facebook seems to be a major contributor in the breakdown of community. I've got hundreds of "friends," know next to nothing about them, have never met them, and have no plans to meet them. We're not building communities; we're building audiences for our inane momentary thoughts and pics of the really cool fish tacos we had last night. As a somewhat shy and asbergery child I had only a few, but really close, friends. My nephew, about as ner

  • by Elixon ( 832904 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:38AM (#53886315) Homepage Journal

    I bet that China LOVES this idea! No censors... just AI that will do the job in a way that it will censor unwanted content "nobody would have flagged at all". That is totalitarian dream! Great ways to put AI to use for the benefit of mankind. Mark, congratulations for your achievement.

    I am sure we will hear about this technology soon but we may not like the news.

  • ... and we may be there already, facebook is going to become such a systemic part of our world (not our "digital" world, just our world) that facebook can basically do anything they want with the privacy agreement and be met with minimal, if any, complaints.
  • Mark should be working on real stuff, like letting me paste shit to the comments section without it blowing up.
  • asked him to edit that out as soon as they saw it.
  • Missing the Point (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dave562 ( 969951 ) on Friday February 17, 2017 @12:58PM (#53886879) Journal

    Nobody seems to have keyed into the fact that the article implies Facebook is planning to run content analytics and conceptual clustering algorithms across all of their databases. Databases including "private" conversations.

    Having seen first hand what 5+ year old analytics tools can pull out of seeming disparate data sets, I find this both amazing and frightening.

    They key quote from the summary is this one...

    The "long-term promise of AI," he wrote, is that it can be used used to "identify risks that nobody would have flagged at all...

    When you let an "AI" build concept clusters based on linguistic analysis, and then pattern match to find similarities, you will open Pandora's box to all sorts of unexpected correlations.

  • Somebody has been watching a little to much "Person of Interest"...
  • BBC World's ticker just showed "Zuckerberg: My facebook manifesto to re-boot globalisation".

    He thinks he's Samuel P. Huntingdon, Thomas L. Friedman, John Locke & Adam Smith all rolled into one. What a pretentious cockwad.

  • What they're not saying is how increasingly connecting people who shares identical interests is actually hurting communication across groups of very different views, leading to increasing groupthink and extremism... (a general downside of the social media upside)

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