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Walmart to Vendors: Get Off Amazon's Cloud (wsj.com) 173

Amazon vs. Walmart saga continues. It turns out, Walmart isn't thrilled about its partners using Amazon's cloud, and it's telling them to get off it (alternative source). From a report: Walmart is telling some technology companies that if they want its business, they can't run applications for the retailer on Amazon's leading cloud-computing service, Amazon Web Services, several tech companies say. [...] Walmart, loath to give any business to Amazon, said it keeps most of its data on its own servers and uses services from emerging AWS competitors, such as Microsoft's Azure.
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Walmart to Vendors: Get Off Amazon's Cloud

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  • Shock Horror! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hackel ( 10452 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @12:30PM (#54662485) Journal

    Huh, Walmart is being a complete monopolistic dick? Sure didn't see that one coming...

    • Re:Shock Horror! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by TWX ( 665546 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @12:50PM (#54662683)

      Before anyone starts ranting that Walmart is not a monopoly, there are two kinds of monopolies. Horizontal where the company controls a particular step of the process across the entire market, and vertical, where the company controls every aspect from beginning to end as much as possible and dictates all aspects of everything that the company deals with.

      Walmart would be an example of a vertically-integrated monopoly in this sense. Perhaps not as naturally-so as, say, a steelworks from the late 19th and early 20th century where the company owned everything from the mining-claim to the trucks delivering fabricated parts to customers, but Walmart dictates terms to manufacturers moreso than just about any retail middleman had before, and continues the monolithic control all of the way from the importation process up through the cash register.

      • Re:Shock Horror! (Score:5, Informative)

        by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @01:51PM (#54663285)

        vertical, where the company controls every aspect from beginning to end as much as possible and dictates all aspects of everything that the company deals with.

        No. Horizontal integration can make you a monopoly. Vertical integration does not, unless you horizontally dominate at least one of the layers. Having dominating power over suppliers is not a monopoly, it is a monopsony [wikipedia.org].

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by swillden ( 191260 )

        Before anyone starts ranting that Walmart is not a monopoly, there are two kinds of monopolies. Horizontal where the company controls a particular step of the process across the entire market, and vertical, where the company controls every aspect from beginning to end as much as possible and dictates all aspects of everything that the company deals with.

        Poppycock.

        The notion of a vertical monopoly does exist, but it's used to describe a monopoly (controller of nearly 100% of a market) that achieved its monopoly status through vertical integration. It is not the case that any vertically-integrated company is a monopoly, even if they have achieved total vertical integration. As long as there is still substantial competition at each level in the supply chain, it isn't a monopoly in any of them. If competition has effectively been eliminated at any level in t

      • Walmart dictates terms to manufacturers moreso than just about any retail middleman had before, and continues the monolithic control all of the way from the importation process up through the cash register.

        Walmart still pales in comparison to Sears at its peak. In 1960 one in three Americans had a Sears credit card. 1 in every 200 workers in the country worked for Sears. In 1974 they built the tallest building in the world at the time. They literally sold mail-order houses, and of course every single item that you could ever need to put inside that house, including the appliances themselves, which were manufactured under the brands Sears owned. Farmers could order parts for their tractors from Sears.

        Walmar

      • Before anyone starts ranting that Walmart is not a monopoly, there are two kinds of monopolies. Horizontal where the company controls a particular step of the process across the entire market, and vertical, where the company controls every aspect from beginning to end as much as possible and dictates all aspects of everything that the company deals with.

        The second definition here is correctly called "vertical integration," not "vertical monopoly."

    • Re:Shock Horror! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by FooAtWFU ( 699187 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @12:51PM (#54662703) Homepage

      No!!! This is not about it being a monopoly; if anything, this is about Wal-Mart as monopsony, a single buyer. It's different.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Walmart is a dinosaur. It is quickly going the way of the dinosaur in part because of the draconian nature of its power players, grappling with retaining their cash cow instead of doing what a REAL business - in a market economy - does...innovate. Those same, creativity stricken, power players would even be unable to work in a real 9-5 job. Sadly that is the case for most of that echelon.

      • Re: Shock Horror! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Steve Hulett ( 4726669 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @01:24PM (#54663025)
        Right on! Walmart is now the Kmart of this generation. Once a powerhouse, they refuse to change with the times and are going to be blown away by the competition that uses better ideas rather than monopolistic control. I watched Walmart overcome Kmart almost over nite because Kmart refused to change a thing about their business model when Walmart was better. This resulted in Walmart devastating Kmart. Amazon is now doing that to Walmart, and they are going to lose to the better idea.
        • Re: Shock Horror! (Score:5, Insightful)

          by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @02:01PM (#54663377)

          The history of how Walmart crushed Kmart and other competitors is interesting. Walmart was very innovative, and used technology to streamline their supply chain, cut shrinkage, avoid surplus inventory, etc. This let them cut prices below what their competitors could charge.

          They also used tech to forecast demand and improve sales-per-customer. Before Walmart, a department store would have a "men's accessories" section with ties, belts, socks, etc. But then Walmart scrutinized checkout data and make the SHOCKING discovery that people don't buy ties, belts, and socks together. They buy ties with shirts, belts with pants, and socks with shoes. Who would have guessed? So Walmart reconfigured their sales floors to put the belts next to the pants, the ties next to the dress shirts, and the socks near the shoes. The result? Increased sales.

          • by Quirkz ( 1206400 )

            Odd. I don't think ever in my life I've bought shoes at the same time as socks. For that matter, I almost never buy shoes from the same kind of store that I'd buy my socks from. And I pick up belts when they wear out, not when I get new pants. Maybe I'm weird?

            I could at least see matching a tie with a shirt.

            Of course I never buy shoes, belts, and a tie together, so there's definitely no value in lumping those three items. I just still have to question the value of this particular insight, particularly compa

          • by Jodka ( 520060 )

            The history of how Walmart crushed Kmart and other competitors is interesting....

            Well Sears was the largest retailer in the United States until October 1989 when it was surpassed [wikipedia.org] by Walmart. Amazon is now twice the size [cnn.com] of Walmart.

            It speaks to the powerful intransigence of entrenched management culture that companies worth hundreds of billions of dollars fail while others grow to replace them, as opposed to substituting in better executives with the same strategies as their winning competitors. The real infrastructure loss and financial loss to investors is enormous compared to the

        • Re: Shock Horror! (Score:4, Insightful)

          by 0100010001010011 ( 652467 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @03:35PM (#54664051)

          Walmart is on track to become Kmart but they're not there yet. If Walmart did the right things they could crush Amazon.

          They opensourced their cloud tools. They have a supply chain management that Amazon wishes it had.

    • Re:Shock Horror! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by voislav98 ( 1004117 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @01:23PM (#54662999)
      Amazon just bought Whole Foods, making it a direct competitor to Walmart. So, Walmart is being sensible. They are saying they don't want any of their data on a competitor's server. Using a car analogy, it's like Toyota saying to their suppliers they don't want their data stored in the GM Cloud Service. There are no guarantees that Amazon would not snoop on the data, no matter how walled off the service is from the rest of the company. This is quite common in the industry, the suppliers are still free to do whatever they want with their own data, but they must follow directions from the customer regarding customer data. So before crying monopoly, consider whether any company would freely hand over their data for storage to a competitor.
      • Sensible from a security standpoint, sure, but they are essentially limiting their pool of potential vendors. Walmart is no longer the beast it was, and Amazon is growing. If you were a vendor, which horse would you back? Choices: One that was strong, but is getting old and cranky, or the younger, fitter horse that's already working for you?
        • Except we're talking about cloud computing. If your services are limited to Amazon's cloud, that is a serious problem.
          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            by Anonymous Coward

            You know that Amazon has services in their offerings that their competitors don't, right?

            It's very possible for a manufacturer to have built something that is dependent on one of the AWS services that doesn't exist on Azure, and now that Walmart is throwing a hissy fit, they have to completely rearchitect an information system that may run perfectly, and may have been running for months / years?

            This is petty and petulant on the part of Walmart. This isn't about 'we don't want our competitor to have sensiti

            • by Cederic ( 9623 )

              It's petty by Walmart but that doesn't excuse designing a system that isn't transferable to other hosting services.

              Amazon do offer some great accelerators but you don't have to use them. I'd rather have the flexibility to shift to Azure or another cloud services provider, and use that flexibility to manage my own costs.

              It'd also make the Walmart conversation very easy. "Stop using AWS." "ok, done."

              Just switch back again afterwards, unless Walmart are going to dicate in their supplier contracts how supplier

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        • by mspohr ( 589790 )

          I wouldn't be caught dead at Walmart... or Whole Foods.
          They are both manipulative, corrupt retailers (each in their own way).

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        This is quite common in the industry, the suppliers are still free to do whatever they want with their own data, but they must follow directions from the customer regarding customer data.

        Strange. I'm a customer yet companies are allowed to do whatever they like (against my will) with MY DATA.

        • by b0bby ( 201198 )

          Strange. I'm a customer yet companies are allowed to do whatever they like (against my will) with MY DATA.

          If you were single handedly buying 75% of what they were selling, you could probably dictate the terms under which your data was to be used or stored.

  • Fuck Walmart (Score:2, Insightful)

    by drew_92123 ( 213321 )

    I avoid them if at all possible... Amazon gets a fair amount of my business as do local businesses, but Walmart can go fuck themselves...

    • i buy next to nothing from amazon and buy water and snacks and other household stuff from jet.com which is wal mart

      free shipping i don't have to pay $100 a year for

      • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

        Lead infused water by the sound of it.

        • better yet, it's my wife's snobby alkaline water that costs a lot more at whole foods and local stores. they even have some ridiculous dairy free chocolate spread she likes

      • by Desler ( 1608317 )

        free shipping i don't have to pay $100 a year for

        "Free" shipping? You're joking, right? The cost of shipping is baked into the price of what you're buying.

        • yeah, and it's still cheaper than Prime items on amazon, cheaper than paying amazon $99 a year for shipping and cheaper than the local stores

          • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

            The total cost is what matters in the end. Doesn't matter what that is.

            Although depending on the item, you can recover your "free shipping membership" on a single purchase alone.

            Amazon has merely eliminated the games most mail order retailers play with "shipping and handling".

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        • ... a Netflix style video service ...

          Not really.

          While I'm not a fan of the direction Netflix is going, they do offer their entire catalog to their customers for one flat fee. On the other hand Amazon, for many popular shows, offers a few episodes as "teasers" - and if you want to watch the rest of the series, you have to pay an extra fee per episode.

          This seems to be the overall Amazon business model - let you in cheap but then attempt to nickel and dime you to death.

      • Jet fails the Arizona test, just like every other online grocery vendor I've found.

        24 pack of 24oz cans, labeled .99 on the can- costs 26 bucks+tax

        I'll stick with supersaver.

      • by Trogre ( 513942 )

        Straying off-topic a bit, but:

        You pay for water?

        • by Cederic ( 9623 )

          No, I pay for potable water. It's approximately 95p per cubic metre plus £28 per year.

    • Washington state and home of Amazon

      We have to pay tax's using Amazon, so I don't mess with them.

      As for Walmart, I have three Walmart super stores within 8.5 miles of me :)

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Amazon has to charge tax on any purchase that occurs in a state they have a business presence in. Now that Amazon has gone full-out on same day deliveries they pretty much have a warehouse in every major city or region. Thus we're all paying taxes regardless. It's not like it was 5 years ago when Amazon just had a few major warehouses and you could evade sales tax coming out of state.

        • Amazon has to charge tax on any purchase that occurs in a state they have a business presence in. Now that Amazon has gone full-out on same day deliveries they pretty much have a warehouse in every major city or region. Thus we're all paying taxes regardless. It's not like it was 5 years ago when Amazon just had a few major warehouses and you could evade sales tax coming out of state.

          Actually it was my first visit that turned me off to Amazon. It was my first stop for on-line shopping.
          Checking out it said Washington state may charge tax soon and I would have to pay tax's on that item; and if Washington didn't they would just keep the extra.
          I've never been back

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Amazon isn't much different than walmart, for instance have you tried running Amazon Prime videos on a chromcast? Amazon views it as a competitor and so refuses to support it, and then even decided to pull it from their store. even though all their own products are Fire OS which is based on android. so it isn't because they don't know how to interface with Google's tech.

  • It is? Seriously? Which CxO thought up THAT braintrust idea?
    • by sl3xd ( 111641 )

      Let's not forget that Wal*Mart is the same group of geniuses that brought us the laughably insecure CurrentC/MCX - and after that folded, they doubled down, and deployed it anyway as "Wal*Mart Pay".

      And seriously? Complaining that your vendor uses AWS for their own business?!?

      What's next, saying they'll penalize companies that use Ford delivery trucks?

      • This is hilarious. It's anti-competitive and abuse of monopoly position.

        WalMart could potentially be taken to task for a lot of shit, but it never is. They don't allow CDs with explicit content, so their selection of music is all censored. This accounts for 2% of WalMart sales, but not 2% of WalMart revenue or profits; it accounts for over 10% of music industry CD sales, or at least it did back before digital streaming became big. That's basically WalMart leveraging its enormous monopoly power to con

        • You seem to misunderstand "free speech" completely, as is sadly typical, even though you do at least acknowledge the fact that it involves private enterprise. The guarantee of free speech is primarily a prohibition on the government's ability to suppress your individual right to express your opinions, not a guarantee that anyone must listen to you, nor a mandate for businesses on which products they choose to sell.

          I think perhaps you also misunderstand what a "monopoly" is. Even by your own admission, Wal

          • You seem to misunderstand "free speech" completely,

            Not really, no. We've actually had "freedom of speech" cases ruled against private enterprise for their effective ability to infringe on the rights of others. That's generally only happened when you could reasonably prove that private enterprises can do such a thing, which is exceedingly-rare.

            I think perhaps you also misunderstand what a "monopoly" is. Even by your own admission, WalMart only accounted for just over 10% of music sales in the past, and probably far less these days. Since when is 10% of a market a monopoly?

            Majority players with less than half of the market have been ruled against in monopoly-abuse cases. It's typically only doable when they're the only big player or one of very few (e.g. a duopoly two-plus market an

            • Not really, no. We've actually had "freedom of speech" cases ruled against private enterprise for their effective ability to infringe on the rights of others. That's generally only happened when you could reasonably prove that private enterprises can do such a thing, which is exceedingly-rare.

              My understanding is that such cases typically involve suppression of their own employees' free speech, such as attempts to quell discussion of forming a union, for instance. I'd be surprised if there were many cases involving consumers and product selection, but I admit I'm not exactly knowledgeable about such case histories.

              I actually agree with most of what you said, but don't quite see how it applies to the topic at hand, except through a rather tortuous leap of logic. You indicate that this topic may

    • Than AWS? It's not as crazy as it sounds...
    • by Zocalo ( 252965 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @12:53PM (#54662713) Homepage
      Azure isn't owned by a company that is in direct competition with some of Walmart's businesses. This has nothing to do with sane or cost effective business practices for their IT service vendors and everything to do with trying to leverage the fact that Walmart is the bigger player (than the vendors) to deny revenue for a competitor.

      Sadly, while some are already throwing words like "monopoly" around, I suspect this is perfectly above board - these are businesses looking to provide a service *for* Walmart, not sell their products *through* Walmart. As such Walmart is perfectly entitled to specify entirely arbitrary requirements for how Walmart's data and services are provisioned such as mandating a the use of one of their preferred suppliers. If Walmart wants to pay its IT service vendors more to use Azure, Google, or whoever instead of Amazon (assuming Amazon is actually the cheaper option) that's their business, dick move or not. It is, however, probably also going to impact on their bottom line, which might be something the shareholders might want to take note of.
      • Sadly, while some are already throwing words like "monopoly" around, I suspect this is perfectly above board -

        Not being a lawyer, I don't know if it is legal or not.

        It's a dick move either way.

        • by Zocalo ( 252965 )
          Not a lawyer either, but I do deal with tenders for contracts such as this and in general it's absolutely above board to specify a list of preferred suppliers as part of a tender, so unless the US has some specific exception this falls foul of I'm not aware of then Walmart is perfectly entitled to do this. Their systems/data, their rules. It's no different from someone insisting on a given vendor's hardware or software - e.g. Munich mandating that their application stack be open source, to give a more Sla
        • by Torodung ( 31985 )

          Maybe if we decided that companies running server farms must legally be separate entities from the businesses that they serve, but in this case, AWS is run by a major competitor in the retail sphere, and there are definitely security concerns for Wal-Mart because the compute services are being offered by the same company.

          Corporate espionage is a thing, and cloud services haven't been around long enough to be properly regulated. We're going to find out all sorts of shady stuff in the coming decades that is b

      • by rahvin112 ( 446269 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @02:47PM (#54663711)

        You've misunderstood what the article about.

        Walmart isn't requiring their Vendors to use Walmarts data and services, they are telling supplies (say of plastic bins) that they can't use Amazon's AWS services for anything including internal server backups or anything else. They are trying to leverage their massive purchasing power to use it against Amazon in another market.

        Even if Walmart isn't a monpoly they should not be legally able to require suppliers to avoid all Amazon services including those completely unrelated to retailing as they are using their massive purchasing power as a leverage in outside markets. This is the halmark of what the Sherman anti-trust law tried to prevent, companies with massive leverage using that leverage to displace rivals in unrelated markets. AWS is an unrelated market to Walmart, they do not offer services in the web services market.

        Contract terms requiring suppliers not use AWS for internal company services should be illegal as it's an attempt to leverage market share to harm a rival in an orthogonal market. These kind of actions dramatically harm the free market.

        • by Zocalo ( 252965 )
          Um, no - you need to read the quote in the summary more carefully. It's talking about technology companies that want to help run Walmart's IT services for them and, if they do, that "they can't run applications _for_ the retailer on Amazon's leading cloud-computing service". That's pretty clearly discussing managed IT services being provided to Walmart, not tangible products being sold through them. Other than the dick move nature of it to lock out a competitor rather than on technical grounds, it does a
  • Came on Walmart not the MS Cloud !!!
  • by Anonymous Coward

    there is absolutely no reason to use Walmart for a fucking thing unless there is an emergency. You get shit service, can't ever find anyone to help, Goddamn self checkout is always fucking closed (WHY!!!!!!) forcing you to go to the one fucking cashier sitting on register 15 out 30. The really good stores have two registers open. Fuck them and their shitty chinese products. However, to be fair , I have a long list of companies on my "fuck them" list.

  • by 3vi1 ( 544505 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @12:50PM (#54662679) Homepage Journal

    Some directors apparently slept through their college discussions on anti-trust and restrictive practices.

    • Wallmart isn't even close to having a monopoly on cloud services.

    • They're not saying anyone has to use Walmart's servers, only that they can't use Amazon's. But there's two problems with this story in the first place:

      Walmart doesn't have "partners". They have suppliers who have the hobnail boots on their throat to provide what Walmart wants.

      And both links are garbage click bait for WSJ (paywalled) and Fortune (nearly blank page.)

      • by thomst ( 1640045 )

        Obfuscant complained:

        And both links are garbage click bait for WSJ (paywalled) and Fortune (nearly blank page.)

        You have to enable scripts from fortune.com to see the article. I just have NoScript enable them temporarily, then close the window and revoke the authorization when I'm done reading.

        The WSJ link IS just a teaser, though. To read the whole article, you have to subscribe ...

        • The WSJ link IS just a teaser, though. To read the whole article, you have to subscribe ...

          That's what "paywall" means. And it wasn't a complaint, it was a statement of fact.

          • by thomst ( 1640045 )

            Obfuscant explained:

            The WSJ link IS just a teaser, though. To read the whole article, you have to subscribe ...

            That's what "paywall" means. And it wasn't a complaint, it was a statement of fact.

            I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was merely providing detail for everyone here who did not rtf - which is basically everyone here, as you know.

            Also, there is no conflict between complaining and stating a fact. It is entirely possible to do both. As you know ...

  • by williamyf ( 227051 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @01:10PM (#54662875)

    Get out of AWS and GoggleCloud ASAP!

    Go instead to either Asure, or to OpenStack...

    If you only use IaaS, this is not as critical, but if you use PaaS, SaaS, or are developing your own Cloud Software from scratch, this is critical.

    Amazon and Google have their own set of APIs and management interfaces. So, once in their clood, never back to on premises, or to another cloud from a different provider (there are some efforts to replicate some of Amazon's APIs, but those are Tepid and Incomplete).

    With Asure and OpenStack, the advantages are plenty. Want to go from on-Premises to Cloud? No problem, both are handled the same way. Want to have hibrid cloud with spillover? again, no problem, your Cloud Sw APIs and infrastructure work the same.

    Want competing providers? No problem, in OpenStack there are competitors aplenty, and with Asure, while the SW is ultimately developed by Microsoft alone, there are plenty of channel/partners to set up your public cloud or private one.

    Want your cloud no to be in the USoA under control of a USoA company, no problem with Asure or OpenStack.... with Amazon or Google: You are SooL.

    So, if you are a sysadmin in a Waltmart provider, use this golden opportunity to justify to the CxO Suite (and justify plenty of funding for) a project to migrate from AWS (or Google) to some OpenStack or Asure Provider...

    Best of luck and all the power to you!

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @01:21PM (#54662977)
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    • by Cyberax ( 705495 )
      Amazon absolutely does not spy on customers through AWS. Hell, AWS is approved for ITAR and government-related activities.
    • EXACTLY! Mod up.
    • The cloud provider has complete access to the hypervisor, and still could access the data in memory even if it is encrypted at-rest and in-flight. If their hardware platform uses Intel's AMT or the AMD's PSP, a third party could do the same remotely. Colocated VMs could also reach the data through either VM escape or cache-based jamming agreement.

      You are correct that the pain will be legal, even tho not for the cloud provider(s) but for their customers. I'm not sure about the regulation in the US, but in Europe I remain fully responsible for the confidentiality of my customer data even if I outsource the hosting to a cloud provider. And thanks to new regulation coming into force next year, my fines will be doubled if a leak happens through negligence... and deciding to host on a cloud with the issues of the previous paragraph can be construed as negligence.

      • Amazon is an analytics company. They don't need access to your data. They already have access to your metadata. If you use their internal DNS you leak information. If you route traffic (even encrypted traffic) via their network that is not routed elsewhere via tunnel, they know who you contact.

        Much like we discovered how many tanks Germany was making in WWII, Amazon can apply some advanced math at your encrypted traffic patterns and deduce many things about your business.

        • Talking from what I have seen when working in managed services and shared/cloud hosting environments... some admins have no qualms reading clients' mailboxes or snooping around clients' data when they're bored. Triply so if it's a follow-the-sun team, where only one localization is familiar with (or realistically gives a fuck about) European data privacy laws.

    • Homomorphic encryption [youtube.com] is well suited for this situation - you can even perform operations on the data stored in the cloud, and the cloud provider isn't able to eavesdrop on anything, because decryption isn't required.

      Even without homomorphic encryption, there are plenty of HSM (hardware security module) devices which are widely used to handle encryption in a way that the cloud provider doesn't have access to the encryption key, nor do they have the ability to decrypt data.

  • Picked up a rumor that CVS was planning to move to AWS, they decided not to go to AWS.
  • If there isn't a consortium of Walmart's vendors, there should be. That seems like a logical direction for our progression of absurdity. "Corporations are people". Powerful "people". Powerful enough to form a union with which Walmart would have no choice but to sign a fair contract.

  • Some of the stuff you can buy at Walmart will be from fairly large corporations having their brands as well as be Walmart banded stuff like soap and toothpaste from Procter and Gamble, Dickies from Dickies, and many more items. If any of these brands use AWS for some or all of their data handling how likely is it that they'll drop AWS just to get shelf space or product pages on Jet? If you want Crest toothpaste or Tide detergent and it's not at Walmart you have many other places to go, Including Amazon. Wil
    • >Walmart may be the loser when they won't sell these name brand, popular items.

      To avoid doing business with walmart is to invite death. To do business with walmart is to embrace death. P&G is not going to lose a multibillion dollar account because of AWS.

  • I seem to remember Walmart trying to do the Silicon Valley thing a couple of years ago, opening an office there (run by SV cultural standards, not Benton, Ark. standards) and making a bunch of noise about developing a cloud portability system that would let vendors easily move workloads (which I understood to be more like virtualization workloads than docker-type containers) between cloud providers.

    Whatever happened to this? Did OpenStack meet their needs and they gave up on the concept, or what? Maybe my

  • Several are commenting on if this makes Walmart a monopoly (or some permutation thereof)... and we're talking about the same laws that govern anti-trust violations and monopolies... but to me this sounds more like anti-trust style collusion. Multiple companies (Walmart and their suppliers) with some common interests organizing to give preferential or (in this case) discriminatory treatment to one or a small group of companies or individuals. Amazon is not hurting for customers, but this is hard to see as an

  • by Trogre ( 513942 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @07:41PM (#54665311) Homepage

    Or "Satya just gave me a very nice yacht".

  • Wal-Mart will tell a supplier what it is willing to pay for a item and then the supplier makes the item with materials that let the supplier still make a profit. And the supplier will sell at the price level set by Wal-Mart at least until the items built to sell in Wal-Mart start getting a degraded reputation. Amazon, does not care what the supplier charges as long as Amazon gets its cut. Amazon sells lots of stuff with a level of quality that leaves much to be desired. But, I think that most customers will
  • Why is this action surprising to anyone? If you were running a business, would you allow your direct competitor access to your (or your suppliers) pricing information? That would clearly give them the upper hand. Anyone who thinks that's a smart idea should be fired.

The unfacts, did we have them, are too imprecisely few to warrant our certitude.

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