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George Soros, Rockefeller Take Their Marks Before Diving Into the Cryptocurrency Pool (businessinsider.com) 100

john of sparta shares a report from Business Insider (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source): Reports of a crackdown on cryptocurrency advertisements by tech giants such as Google and Facebook as well as regulatory uncertainty in Asia and the U.S. have weighed on the coin for much of March and April. The coin is down 50% since the beginning of the year. But investors appeared to be more bullish during Sunday's trade following reports that two Wall Street icons were looking to get into the market for cryptos. More notably, the investment fund founded by billionaire George Soros is preparing to dive into cryptocurrency trading, even though Soros himself previously described them as a "bubble." Adam Fisher, who oversees global macroeconomic investing for Soros Fund Management, has gained internal approval to invest in and trade cryptocurrencies, according to a Bloomberg News report. Also, Venrock -- a venture capital firm founded by descendants of famed capitalist John D. Rockefeller -- announced it was partnering with a cryptocurrency investment firm based in Brooklyn. Fortune first reported on the partnership.
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George Soros, Rockefeller Take Their Marks Before Diving Into the Cryptocurrency Pool

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  • Bubble (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:26AM (#56405251)

    though Soros himself previously described them as a "bubble."

    Getting involved with it does not necessarily prove it otherwise, he may just want to get his fair share of that bubble before it bursts for good.

    • by Zocalo ( 252965 )
      Or to somehow try to pop the crypto-currency bubble so that people get burnt and go back to investing their remaning funds (if any) in more traditional funds, such as those managed by Soros and his partners, e.g. by using his political leverage to get various legislations passed with the aim of driving the privacy and anti-regulation types into increasingly more niche and sketchy alt-coins, thus undermining a lot of the original support. Whether such a scheme would even work is another question entirely, b
    • by tomhath ( 637240 )

      Getting involved with it does not necessarily prove it otherwise

      Hedge funds are a bet that the market will move, you can bet on it moving either up or down. It's likely Soros was waiting until he could short the funds and profit from other people's losses.

      • Hedges aka options aka derivatives.

        Hedge funds are mutual funds for the rich and connected. High fees, high minimum deposit, but usually they've got returns to (sort of) justify the fees. Insider traders that will take the hit for their investors, what Madoff was pretending to be.

    • Soros isn't getting involved, a Fund he set up a long time ago is. I doubt he has $0.10 in that fund today.

    • Most likely already has a shitload of crypto, and saw what the news of the Bitcoin ETFs did to the price, and now lending their support to them will cause it to go back up so they can cash out the rest.

      You. Will. Be. The. Bagholder.

      Again.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:36AM (#56405287)

    "John Burbank, who shuttered his main fund last year, plans to raise $150 million for two funds investing in digital currencie"

    Please be clear. Burbank is taking US Dollars for a 'Fund'. Funds take money (real actual $$$ money) and buy something with it, and take a fee for managing that something. He is not investing in crypto, you are, he is taking fees as $$ for your investment in it. He is not the idiot making the bad pseudo investment, you are.

    "Soros has already been indirectly betting on crypto. The firm amassed a stake in Overstock.com in the fourth quarter, making it the third-biggest shareholder of the discount e-commerce company. In August 2017 it became the first major retailer to accept digital currencies. The company had also planned to start an exchange for cryptocurrencies as well as offer digital coins that could trade on the platform."

    Again, he is not investing his money in crypto, he bought Overstock.com who in turn were planning to setup an exchange TAKING MONEY FROM IDIOTS BUYING CRYPTO. A different thing.

    Don't be fooled.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      Isn't that the main use of cryptocurrencies though? The main industry that has popped up around and using the coins seems to be the 'exchanges' were various amature currency traders try to out-algorithm each other and profit off a steady flow of people trying to jump on the bandwagon.
      • As someone who is bearish on Bitcoin but bullish on blockchains, I would really like to know what portion of the transactions are really being used for the useful economic activities that can positively benefit from kind of system, e.g. sending money back to my parents in the old country.

        • Why are you bullish on blockchains?
        • by jythie ( 914043 )
          I would also be curious what the actual numbers look like. The system and its usage though suggests most of it is going to trading. The fees have been going going up, making small transactions less and less viable, and more and more of the traffic has been going to the exchanges. BTC isn't very good at anything other than large transactions that lock in quickly but can take time to process.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:19AM (#56405449)
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  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:49AM (#56405561)
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    • by Zocalo ( 252965 )
      Same way they do any other transaction that is subject to tax but might bypass channels they can readily track: require you to declare your profits (or losses) from the transaction (or "investment", if you prefer) coupled with some deterrance in the form of severe sanctions (fines, jail time, etc.) for anyone who thinks they can keep their profits hidden from "the man" but fails to do so. Typically, in nations that are implementing this, the approach seems to be to class it as a form of capital gains (e.g.
    • This, the goal is to avoid taxation, that's why the crypto disciples are called crypto-anarchists.
    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      It is only a way to avoid taxes or embezzle funds as pictured by people who do not know much about either and have only ever worked W2. They kinda hope that if enough people say 'no more taxes' and invest in their cryptothingie the various governments will just give up and stop collecting them or something.
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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Are (any) fiat-currency and (any) cryptocurrency really equivalent, as cryptocurrency fans claim?
    For example, US Dollar and Bitcoin are really equals?
    Value/validity/authorization of US dollar is provided/guaranteed by US Government (and in-turn whole US Public)!
    Also, not to mention, US Dollars in any US Bank is insured by US Government!
    What authorization/guarantee/insurance is behind Bitcoin? Nothing!
    Sorry but that is the end of discussion then!

    Why do you think Satoshi Nakamoto is really hiding his identity

  • Of the beast. Considering the two.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    When people like this "get into the market," it does not mean what most retail investors think it means. They may be long, short, selling derivatives, buying derivatives, or, most likely, all of the above. They are also looking at being middle-men, making a few (more) cents on every transaction, being money changers.

    Having people think it just means they are going long helps them by bringing in dumb money. Their job is to help that dumb money find its way home to where the smart money lives. "Price disc

  • About five hours ago (9 April 2018 10:14 UTC), bitcoin fell off a cliff. It dropped $268.36 in 18 minutes. How can anything be a currency for use in financial transactions if it is so volatile? How can you price goods and services with such volatility?

    • Because............blockchain!

  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:27AM (#56406769)

    Here's what I'm read from the article. The fund founded (not run by George Soros but his son) has approved trading in cryptocurrency.

    The Soros Fund Management venture internally approved the trading of virtual coins in the past few months. So far, no actual “big trades” have has been made, but that situation will come to change very soon.

    As for Rockefeller, this was the relevant passage:

    Also, Venrock — a venture capital firm founded by descendants of famed capitalist John D. Rockefeller — announced it was partnering with a cryptocurrency investment firm based in Brooklyn.

    The article makes clear that the fund not run by Soros himself has only approved trading not that it has traded in cryptocurrency. It doesn't necessarily say that the fund will invest in cryptocurrency as an asset; the fund could be shorting them. As for Venrock, there are no details on what and how much investment is being made. It could be a small amount.

  • How to make lots more money

    1) Buy up a lot of Bitcoin very quietly
    2) Announce that you are thinking about buying Bitcoin
    3) Sell all your Bitcoin
    4) Tell everyone Bitcoinis just a bubble
    5) Go back to step #1

  • I bet that if Soros infests in cryptomoney, it will not be in bitcoins. That specific bubble is already too much inflated.

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