In China's Booming Tech Scene, Women Battle Sexism and Conservative Values (reuters.com) 225
In recent years, even as China's tech industry has boomed, many women say they make far less than their male counterpart for the same job. An anonymous reader shares a report: Reuters spoke to more than a dozen women -- and some men -- in the sector, from entry-level employees to executives, who described an industry where female engineers and coders battle against ingrained biases favoring men. "The traditional view is simply to think that women aren't suitable to be programmers," said Chen Bin, a former Microsoft engineer and the Beijing-based founder of Teach Girls Coding, a campaign to get more women into the sector. "Things are better now than ten years ago, but overall the number of women getting into tech is really small," he said.
China is not the only country where the tech industry has faced heat over a lack of diversity in the workplace. But unlike U.S. peers that have faced legal action over discrimination, including Uber, Alphabet's Google and Microsoft, Chinese technology companies are relatively opaque about gender issues. Most give little data on hiring and none of the industry leaders share the diversity reports that are now customary in the United States, shedding doubt on whether women in Chinese firms hold a comparable number of technical or leadership roles.
China is not the only country where the tech industry has faced heat over a lack of diversity in the workplace. But unlike U.S. peers that have faced legal action over discrimination, including Uber, Alphabet's Google and Microsoft, Chinese technology companies are relatively opaque about gender issues. Most give little data on hiring and none of the industry leaders share the diversity reports that are now customary in the United States, shedding doubt on whether women in Chinese firms hold a comparable number of technical or leadership roles.
Oh f---ing jeez (Score:2, Interesting)
Had to hear it for years from this side of the pond, now I have to listen to these fake stories from the other side of the pond?
From my observation, 99% of the time it was due to innate gender differences (guys will geek out over shit much more easily and spend an inordinate amount of time on it while even Asperger girls are more social than their male counterparts). As well as genders valuing different things and taking different career paths and willing to make different sacrifices.
But whatever, I'm sure
evidence? (Score:4, Insightful)
So she is actually saying that women choose not to go into coding. There is no evidence that once they do, they are evaluated or treated unfairly.
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Their tears provide more proof than any evidence.
Re:evidence? (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually Gender equal nations see bigger STEM gender gaps [theatlantic.com] than sexist hellholes do.
e.g. in nations which don't provide many social avenues or financial support, such as *Algeria* you have near-equality in STEM graduates (41% female). That drops off a lot in nations with good social welfare systems. *Because* women have more choice. More women doing STEM classes isn't necessarily a sign that the society is providing well for women in general. Mainly because things like Engineering and Computer Science aren't just a course you do, they're a lifelong commitment to keeping your skills up to date. e.g. a Comp Sci person is going to be dedicating unpaid hours FOR LIFE to keep up. Women generally want more work/life balance than that allows. e.g. doing a job where you can't "clock out" and have to keep studying after-hours for your whole life, just to tread water, isn't a great idea if you plan to start a family later. Computer Science is the kind of thing that completely dominates your life if you choose it as a career path, you have to be 100% focused on that or you fall behind. e.g. you have to be near-autistic about it to even think about starting. Women are just more *balanced* than men and less of them are one-track obsessive idiots, so less women go into obsessive niche careers. That's not a "problem" for women.
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The paper that article is based on can be read for free here: http://journals.plos.org/ploso... [plos.org]
Note that it doesn't support the conclusion to draw.
Based on previous work they attribute lack of participation in STEM to be strongly related to anxiety over ability in maths. They note that despite girls often out-performing boys in maths at school, they experience a lot more anxiety. In more developed countries there is less economic motivation to overcome those worries.
The study concludes not that girls are in
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Also, mathematics is a broad subject and it turns out that men and women are better/worse at certain parts of it. Here's a pretty good paper that references the research in the area quite broadly [ed.gov].
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The study doesn't talk about biological differences being a factor. It looked specifically at anxiety over ability in maths and socio-economic reasons why boys have less of it.
Interestingly some of the countries where the participation in STEM is uneven are also the ones where girls tend to out-perform boys in maths. There is this disconnect between their actual ability and the amount they worry about not being good at it.
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If it's biological then why are girls at least equally good, if not better at maths? The anxiety isn't related to actual performance. It's a mistaken belief, a myth that can be addressed.
Re: evidence? (Score:1)
There may be hidden sexism in the statement that women "want to start a family" IF that kind of implies they would be doing more of the family-related stuff than their hypothetical future husbands, well other than bearing and breastfeeding obviously. If we want a true gender equality, perhaps a good look at traditional family roles is due. If said women could realistically expect they would be in a family with a man who would do their half willingly perhaps they would have made different life choices. Or ma
Re: evidence? (Score:2)
There are two sides of this story - hypothetical as in "how a hypothetical society would work if it was free of gender-related stereotypes and prejudices, including antifeminine (must be hearthkeepet) and antimasculine (must be breadwinner)", and pragmatic as in "how would the society that there is here today with all its legacy but slowly improving nevertheless react to these concrete people going against the abovementioned stereotypes". I, as a male, feel the onus is on me not to expect my wife to behave
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Stop posting this shit. (Score:3, Insightful)
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It's editor msmash. All this shit, all the time now.
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China will have a very long way on this matter... (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't wanna sound racist or anything, but unfortunately I think China will have a very long way 'till it gets even close to western countries on this matter, which is still not ideal.
Setting US aside, let's consider some european countries and whatnot. There are very few countries that are really getting there, but still not quite.
Currently, China as a society has evolved at unprecedented speeds in comparison to the history of evolution of other societies.
I still remember a time when China was mostly rural, exporting mostly primary resources, and didn't have much in the way of technology to talk about. This was the case not that long ago. If you are too young to remember this, probably your parents will know.
Over just a few decades, less than a lifetime, China went rushing through industrial revolution, raising extremely modern metropolis in cities formerly pretty run down and primitive, and now the country is activelly participating at the forefront of technology and research in some areas.
Some people might not realize this, but it's because lots of people don't really know China. There are cities there that are basically on par with Japan in terms of technology, public transportation, technology in common spaces and whatnot. There are research areas like biomedicine and genetics that China is arguably ahead. Read some of the recent news... China just launched a communication probe in space to aid a mission that will be launched still this year to explore the dark side of the moon.
It's crazy how fast it has evolved. It almost doesn't make sense when you think about the comparison on how technology evolves versus societies.
But all that has a huge side effect. China did not evolve uniformly, these transformations had and still has huge costs, and of course things are not that simple.
It became a country of enormous contrasts. You have cities that look like Tokyo or modern european capitals, while you have towns in the countryside with people starving and living a life of subsistence. You have billionaires and huge investment groups that are among the richest in the world while you have multitude of workers slaving away to a state they prefer suicide instead of living like that. Most of western societies also have huge wage gaps and inequalities, but it kinda pales in comparison to China when looking at extremes.
Sexism can't be seen and treated in isolation, and people should not have some fantasy that it's gonna be solved anytime soon there because there are major shifts yet to happen before it even starts being addressed.
Remember people, China is a country where not that long ago, baby boys were hugely favored over baby girls. And this is a cultural phenomena that endured over decades.
https://www.theguardian.com/wo... [theguardian.com]
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/0... [nytimes.com]
This is a huge problem that cannot be solved in few years time, and it has massive cultural effects. Because it effectively created an artificial distortion... there are way more men than women in China when compared to proportions of other countries.
It's not only China too, it's just something that happens a lot in poor countries or developing countries all over the world.
https://www.npr.org/sections/g... [npr.org]
http://www.ibtimes.com/deadly-... [ibtimes.com]
Even though some of these countries don't necessarily have a majority of people of faith in patriarcal religions and systems, it's just a matter of favoring boys because of base manual labor necessities and a prejudiced view that comes with it. The concept also became ingrained in culture, so up to this decade the tendency still remains.
Th
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it's just a matter of favoring boys because of base manual labor necessities
When I was in the Andes, all you saw plowing the fields were women (often with babies on their backs) while all the men were at the nearby bar...
Americans have a long way to go on their arrogance (Score:2)
As opposed to every western society that went from travel by horseback to landing on the moon in a single lifetime?
You mean like Appalachia today? Step outside your bourgeois bubble and visit the poor areas of your own country before t
Social Justice Evangelism (Score:1)
As usual, SJW-ism has an effect of demonetization and loss of trust from the normal majority consumers, leading to loss.
- FreeBSD suddenly forcibly coercing/demanding from users to become political "ambassadors" by a Code of Conduct copy pasted from some feminist wiki, completely unrelated to the object of the community or their initial interests in becoming part of it. Result? Skilled staff loss.
- SJW publications such as Salon forced into adwall.
- The GNOME Foundation running short on money because they w
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I welcome women to IT (Score:1)
However I think they have other more pressing priorities than coding. Last time I checked men can't have babies and for women who want to figure out if they want kids they have to have everything in place before they're 35 at the very latest before it becomes dangerous for them to give birth.
So I'm gonna suggest that maybe, at the time of peak neuroplasticity when men can take their time to master IT, women have to answer a fundamental question and factor if their career path is compatible with having ch
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What are you talking about? There are female road workers and landscapers and other shit job do-ers where I live. Where do YOU live that you don't see them?
I live on Earth and your statement is not reflected in the available data. [statista.com]
That's exactly what those "girls who code" initiatives are supposed to address and part of why the gender gap is a problem in the first place - if programming isn't cool to women, and there are women who would code if not for society telling them at a vulnerable age that they shouldn't code, don't you think that's a problem?
Where is the evidence for people telling girls they shouldn't code? What I am saying is there is more evidence available that women don't code because they have other priorities. If they are not interested in coding why should society try to mold them into something they just aren't interested in doing.
The entire rationale of this argument presumes some campaign to stop women coding when in reality anti-discrimination laws ha
What "conservative values" are they battling? (Score:2, Informative)
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Sexism isn't a conservative value you twat.
No, but sexism is generally associated with conservatives because they are less open-minded by definition of wanting to conserve the status quo and not being willing to experiment with change.
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She deserves it for lying and trying to cover up for the most corrupt administration in the history of this country. I'm surprised she has lasted as long as she has actually.
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She deserves it for lying and trying to cover up for the most corrupt administration in the history of this country.
How is this categorically different from "women who dress in a revealing way deserve it"?
Re:What "conservative values" are they battling? (Score:4, Informative)
In China the traditional gender roles are much stronger than they are in more progressive western countries. A lot of men in particular are very conservative about working with women who are their equals or superiors, and find it hard to get past the traditional ideas they were brought up with.
It's not just men either, a lot of women feel the same way. The younger ones are more progressive, as always.
That's classic conservatism, resistance to change and a preference for the existing way of doing things.
Re: What "conservative values" are they battling? (Score:2)
You also have way more opportunities what with that whole one-child policy thing and it's effect on urban demographics.
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Conservative literally means "adverse to change". In areas where the prevailing historic values were sexist (e.g., China), sexism is a conservative value.
In a lot of places mainstream "conservative values" are still deeply sexist: abortion should be illegal, women should bear the larger share of responsibility for childcare and homemaking, men should provide for their families and look after women, boys should do contact sports and metalworking whilst girls do non-contact sports and handicrafts, women weari
Meritocracy (Score:1)
Forcing Chinese tech companies to have more diversity would be great news for tech companies in Western countries.
Just like in Hollywood (Score:1)
Oh, wait !! Those guys are campaign sponsors of the Democrats !!
Whoops
was this 'news that matters'? (Score:2)
Seriously, the fact there are gender imbalances in employment in IT in every major industrialized country is old news. More interestingly the article seems to want us to unanimously agree that is a bad thing. I personally agree that it is , but I'm also smart enough to know that my belief that women should be treated with equal dignity to men is a direct result of my Judeo-christian value system and that such a system is far from universal.
So, the reason I claim women should be given equal dignity of treat
Aside from all the usual (Score:1)
Other article (Score:1)
And I believe this part was a comment rather than part of the article, but I remember it stating something about women pretending to be men to get IT jobs.
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" Remember #gamergate?"
Yes, and I remember it started with a woman who made a game sleeping around with game reviewers, and getting outed for it by none other than one of her exes.
Apparently, you failed to be present at the beginning of the whole thing, so you're brainwashed by the false narratives put forth by Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, and more.
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Everything you just wrote is a lie.
actually he nailed the whole thing square on the head
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Re:Why the comparison? (Score:5, Informative)
Comparing to America? Why? It is supremely idiotic to believe America is some shining beacon of women's rights.
Compared to China, it is. America has its "#metoo" movement, while China has its "#woyeshi" movement. But there is a big difference: The Chinese women that have outed sexual abusers in powerful positions have nearly all done it from OUTSIDE CHINA, where they feel safe from retaliation. It is only after they have permanent residency overseas that they finally feel free to speak out.
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I have lived and worked in China for a number of years, though I am not Chinese. At two large multi-nationals (who ought to know better) I saw numerous instances where positions earmarked for women were filled with young/single/attractive candidates rather than even take interviews from women who appeared to have the most relevant resumes. And that was trivial to pull off since most of the candidates (men and women) put their pictures, age, and marital status on their resume since that is the norm in Chin
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I put my photo on my resume.
Are you American? If so, at many companies your resume will be automatically discarded.
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I am, but I wouldn't even consider working at a Chinese company anyway.
No, I mean many American companies will auto-reject any resume with a photo. Hiring someone with a photo on their resume leaves them open to charges of bias.
Even NOT hiring someone with a photo is bad because the applicant can sue and claim bias, since you saw their race and age. But if you have an auto-reject policy, you avoid that trap.
If you are an American applying at American companies, including a photo on your resume is a bad idea.
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Word!!!
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:4, Interesting)
> "Online mobs regularly go after any woman who dares stand up for herself"
Online mobs regularly go after people who dare stand up for themselves.
FTFY.
Do you honestly believe no one attacks men on the internet? If you ignore attacks on men then, yes, women get attacked more, but why ignore attacks on men? Is it okay to attack men?
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Comparing to America? Why? It is supremely idiotic to believe America is some shining beacon of women's rights.
Have you been to the rest of the world?
Online mobs regularly go after any woman who dares stand up for herself. Hate speech and death threats are common. Remember #gamergate?
...apparently not.
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, damn that Gamergate crowd for demanding that games be reviewed on their merit and not on the basis of what sexual favours the developer has offered the reviewer.
And yes, you should be moderated to -1 for your comment that misrepresents Gamergate. You apparently don't even know what it was about and seem to believe it was about Anita Sarkeesian. It's clear that you have preconceived ideas about Gamergate and have decided that gamers are a bunch of misogynists without even investigating what happened.
Obviously you assume that, in any situation involving a woman, the woman is always innocent and the men are always guilty. It is you who is the sexist.
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I'd like to remind everyone that the claim about sexual favours in exchange for positive reviews or coverage is a long debunked lie.
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Not that you really need to debunk this. It's simply irrelevant. People like Sarkesian simply engage in selective outrage. They see women being treated the same as men and screech discrimination. Her own complaints of games are a classic example of this.
She reviews a murder simulator and screeches "women are being abused".
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If you thought she was "screeching" in her videos, you should check your equipment because it's fucked.
Anyway, her actual complaint about Hitman and other "murder simulators" like Far Cry wasn't really anything to do with women being abused. In fact both of those videos were about women being used as background decoration and for cheap thrills, not the actual violence.
She doesn't really mind the violence it seems. Some of the games she points to as examples of good female characters are violent, and I recal
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Anyway, her actual complaint...
The actual complaint was that gamers weren't willing to provide and support her SJW platform. Many, myself included, decided that her complaints have nothing to do with gaming, and we are here to just enjoy video games.
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Have you actually seen the videos? Nothing you say seems to have anything relating to her work.
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At this point it is clear that SJWs were less than zero effective with GG, not only did they not reach any of the stated goals, Sarkesian episode and GG trained gamers to widely distrust SJWs in any context. GG was Pyrrhic victory for SJW and likely marks beginning of the end. I am proud of my role in it, however small and insignificant it was.
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To general population, it is less shocking to find out that someone into BSM then into online gaming. The only reason you can even speak about gaming is because people think you play Candy Crush or Farmville, and that is gaming you are talking about.
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Yes, damn that Gamergate crowd for demanding that games be reviewed on their merit and not on the basis of what sexual favours the developer has offered the reviewer.
Wow the gamergate crowd is still sore. I guess that's why you have nothing to od but sit around in your mother's basements stewing over threads and spending all your modpoints shouting people down.
so tell me, Mr Ac and the cowardly mods who omdded this up where is the slightest shred of evidence that Anita Sareesian (who I singled out in my pos
On merit? What merit? (Score:2)
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There is gamergate related harassment today.
Check what happened to Vavra just because he was going to a game conference in Spain.
Harassment is pretty much alive.
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:5, Informative)
Erin Pizzey, the founder of the first shelter for the victims of domestic violence, had to run after getting death threats from the feminists for daring to state that violence is not a gender issue and more than 60% of women in her shelters where themselves violent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Now, applying "gamergate was about harassing some random people out there including those who have literally nothing to do with anything, bar being victims" logic, we can conclude, that feminist movement is about harassment.
I'm 6' and 220lbs (Score:2)
Now, if _I_ get violent the opposite is not true. Imagine living in a world where 50% of the population is significantly stronger than you and where a lot of them have de
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This is your answer to "violence being exclusively male problem is a lie", seriously, that you are not afraid of women half your size?
Most injured kids are injured by their mothers.
Men are much less likely to start a fight with women than vice versa.
Most fights ending up with women being injured by men, are started by women.
Male victims of domestic violence have higher chances to get arrested themselves, than the perpetrator. [telegraph.co.uk]
That's a very different perspective indeed. Wiki has good summary [wikipedia.org] on the subject.
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:4, Informative)
This is Anita Sarkeesian endorsing Alex Mandossian [youtube.com]. Alex Madnossian is basically a pick-up artist of Internet marketing. His attitude towards his victims is completely fucked up. He is a manipulative scammer and it is not hard to find the parallels in what Sarkeesian has been doing to get her position. That is a very manipulative and dishonest woman. It speaks volumes about you that you defend her.
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Why does their modding down have to be from gamergaters? I was going to mod the above post down despite having absolutly no love for those trolls as the post is just blatant flamebait or perhaps off topic. While there is still more to be done towards gender equality in the US, we're not that bad, especially when compared to the vast majority of Asian nations.
More importantly though, it just makes sense to compare the US and China on such things. China is the emerging super power and the US is the establishe
Re: Why the comparison? (Score:2)
How do you know you are better than Asia? Assumption? Based on what?
A data point to consider. The popular view in Europe, both among the popolous and the powers that be is that Eastern European contries are not as progressive as the West, including the whole sex equality thing....
It's not true thought. Yes you have my word for it, so whatever but think - people in Europe are that ignorant about their neighbors. Assumptions about Asia? Ha!
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"How do you know you are better than Asia?"
Because I looked it up rather than make an assumption as you're doing here.
https://www.undispatch.com/her... [undispatch.com]
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> Girlfriend, if you haven't seen the evidence, you've had your hands placed firmly over your eyes the entire time.
People that defy Sturgeon's law move up quickly and get paid well. It doesn't matter what they have between their legs. The professional offended class has just convinced one group of losers that they have something besides themselves to blame.
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:5, Informative)
Ever heard of false rape accusations where the female accusers almost never get punished?
This seems to be a common misconception.
In a rape case it is often very hard to prove what happened. There is often little or no evidence and witnesses. The standard for criminal convictions is "beyond a reasonable doubt" in most places and it can be quite hard to reach that bar.
But that also means that if the accused is found not guilty, it doesn't necessarily mean that the accuser lied, and even if they did it would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt for them to be punished. Since most of these cases are just two opposing accounts of events being tested through questioning, it is rare for there to be provable lies that cannot be accounted for as poor memory or stress under questioning.
So the very same rules that are there to protect the accused also protect the accuser, even if the allegation is false.
Prosecutions for fake allegations, "perverting the course of justice" as it is known in the UK, and purgery do happen. But the bar for conviction has to be high, and has to be the same for everyone. Ironically you seem to be feeling the same frustration that rape victims often do, i.e. that it is so hard to prove and get a conviction.
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:4, Informative)
Finland literally just had a case where man sat in prison for nine months for rape before his accuser according to the biggest newspaper in the country "found God and confessed to the police that she lied about it".
He's still fighting in court to get his criminal record expunged of this. She was just given a small fine, told to return some of the money he had to pay her for her suffering and a suspended sentence with some community service on top of it. She won't spend a day in jail over this.
https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-... [www.hs.fi]
Welcome to progressive concept of "equality" of sexes, where there's the arbeit macht frei men and ubermensch women.
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:4, Insightful)
According to your own link she had received a similar jail sentence to the accused, and much larger fines. Since the accused's conviction is still pending revocation then presumably this is not the end of the compensation he will receive (I don't know about Finland but in the UK there is compensation for wrongful imprisonment, loss of earnings, consequential losses etc. from the state).
Presumably there will also be a review to determine what went wrong and to prevent it happening again. Those involved may be sanctioned. This is far from over.
Look, mistakes are going to be made in any criminal justice system. It's impossible to have a 100% perfect system. A single anecdote is worthless though, what we need to see is data showing how often this happens. It's also important to look at how the situation is corrected, so it might be useful to know how quickly his conviction will be removed and what the total amount of compensation will be.
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:4, Informative)
Presumably there will also be a review to determine what went wrong and to prevent it happening again.
What is the point of pushing the narrative that is demonstrably false? Jesus:
The woman who made false rape allegations against a Texas DPS trooper will not face any additional charges. [fox4news.com]
Girl made false accusation of rape after her ex-boyfriend rejected her [telegraph.co.uk]
Woman Who Lied to Police About 3 Black Men Raping and Kidnapping Her Faces Zero Years in Prison [theroot.com]
Woman who made false rape complaint receives suspended sentence [ynetnews.com]
Re:Why the comparison? (Score:4, Informative)
None of these stories are about Finland, and all of them actually support my point!
Texas story: Allegation made, no actual complaint or charges, at most it's a civil matter (slander) so why would there be criminal charges? Sounds like you want them to criminalize speech!
Ex-boyfriend: She WAS charged and admitted it (i.e. convicted)! She admitted wasting police time. That's a criminal offence. In fact the last line of the article notes that she is awaiting sentencing for her crime. You are proving that the system works!
3 black guys: She took a plea deal. As the article notes she plead guilty to "two third-degree felony counts of tampering with physical evidence, a third-degree felony count of tampering with a government record and a state-jail felony count of tampering with a government record". As well as a criminal record, she got 8 years probation, $10,000 in fines and 160 hours community service. https://www.dallasnews.com/new... [dallasnews.com]
Israel: Again, suspended sentence.
What is your point here, that the punishment isn't harsh enough?
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Ironically you seem to be feeling the same frustration that rape victims often do, i.e. that it is so hard to prove and get a conviction.
Good observation.
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This seems to be a common misconception.
In a rape case it is often very hard to prove what happened. There is often little or no evidence and witnesses. The standard for criminal convictions is "beyond a reasonable doubt" in most places and it can be quite hard to reach that bar.
No, that's not the reason false rape accusers get away with it at all, as could be easily demonstrated:
Girl made false accusation of rape after her ex-boyfriend rejected her [telegraph.co.uk]
As far as punishment goes, there is a which is, of course, overlooked, [umich.edu] for reasons not that widely known and even contrary to the mainstream narrative. [wikipedia.org]
It's just not perceived as such a big problem (as made up statements about such false accusations "rarely happening" were repeated so many times, people started to believe it was true).
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In spite of all that you wrote, there are actual documented cases where rape accusations are determined to be 100% false, and yet the false accuser faces no charges.
Funny how you totally sidestepped that contingency.
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"Actual documented cases", it's just that you can't actually cite of any of them.
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Here's three off the top of my head:
Crystal Mangum [wikipedia.org]
Tawana Brawley [wikipedia.org]
Wanetta Gibson [wikipedia.org]
None of the women faced any criminal consequences for cases that could have or did send innocent men to prison. The only thing that happened to Gibson is she had to pay back a legal settlement to a school. And maybe if Mangum had gone to prison she wouldn't have stabbed a boyfriend to death a few years later.
So that's three examples of known liars ge
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In all those cases there was not enough evidence to prove that they lied beyond a reasonable doubt. What part of that don't you understand?
Also note how the accusers were sued in two of those cases and lost, owning hundreds of thousands of dollars. In the Duke case the accused each got $20M. It really doesn't sound like there were no consequences or reparations.
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You know, you could skip the gaslighting and go with "ok, false accusations are rare but those women lied and should serve just as much prison time as the innocent men faced". There was more than enough evidence to convict in every case I just mentioned if it went to trial. But prosecutors never take these cases to court, which is the problem. You're arguing like an Ob
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They hate Netanyahu and the former Sharon even more
And they hate YOU for electing people who do their bidding even more than that
Think you are in a war with Islam?
Alll 1.6 billion of them?
No. and pray to your invisible sky daddy that it never comes to that.
Re: Trend in China (Score:4, Interesting)
I was born and raised in USSR, well known for its research institutes. Roughly 50% of folks in science were female, partly because the Soviet government aimed to treat men and women equally, and there was absolutely zero bias again women in lab coats. Except in leadership positions obviously - these rightfully belong to the Party.
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I work in a field of science in which I often cite Russian researchers from the Soviet era. Of those Soviet researchers whose sex I know, exactly 100% are male.
My observation may differ from yours because if I'm citing someone 40+ years later, they're bound to be one of the stars in their field - whereas you may have encountered a more general cross-section of people working in science.
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I was born and raised in USSR, well known for its research institutes. Roughly 50% of folks in science were female, partly because the Soviet government aimed to treat men and women equally, and there was absolutely zero bias again women in lab coats. Except in leadership positions obviously - these rightfully belong to the Party.
Russia (and Europe in General) haven't had a systemic enforcement of gender roles for a long time now (that is a nice way of saying, "haven't had systemic sexism"). Even in more capitalist parts of Europe there are few, if any systemic barriers for women in science and tech. This isn't the case in most of Asia where traditional gender roles are still a thing.
I.E. having a female leader is seen as something very worrying to many Americans. For those of us in the UK, having Theresa May as PM is as normal
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I grew in USSR and women were not half of the scientists.
In math/physics fields they were in minority, somewhat less so in Chemistry.
USSR's Academy of Science was nearly completely male.
There were plenty of female engineers (about 60% if I recall it right), but it was also because that profession was paid poorly.
That's a completely different phenomena.
But good job twisting "oppression" in. Perhaps you could explain us this graph:
https://youtu.be/EqUtgFBWezE?t... [youtu.be]
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But studies show that on many occasions women don't know what they are talking about.
Should we consider the many men who say many thing that are nothing but bullshit?
And the bulls who say nothing but manshit.
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Where is the line between fabricated sexism and actual sexism?
Fabricated sexism: Women complaining about being paid less for 35 hours than men get paid for 48 hours.
Actual sexism: Paying men the same for 48 hours as women get paid for 35 hours.
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Also men make up 92% of workplace deaths. Let's pay equally when everyone dies equally.
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What rights? Last I checked getting a paycheck is not a right. You want equal pay? Ask or sue.
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My boss makes more than me, she thinks otherwise.
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Discrimination is indeed illegal, that does not mean you have the right to an equal paycheck though.
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