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Bitcoin Tumbles Most in Two Weeks Amid South Korea Hack (bloomberg.com) 87

Bitcoin extended losses for a third day, tumbling as much as 6 percent Sunday as South Korean cryptocurrency exchange Coinrail said there was a "cyber intrusion" in its system. From a report: The largest cryptocurrency declined 4.6 percent to $7,277 as of 10 a.m. time, the biggest drop since May 23, according to data compiled by Bloomberg from Bitstamp pricing. That widens Bitcoin's losses for the year to 49 percent. Peer cryptocurrencies Ethereum and Ripple fell 5 percent and 6.6 percent, respectively.
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Bitcoin Tumbles Most in Two Weeks Amid South Korea Hack

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  • neck beards compare bitcoins to tulips.

    • Re:In before (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:40AM (#56760084)

      Forget claiming they are like tulips, cryptocurrencies are worse than tulips. You can plant a tulip and it can reproduce with no additional effort. Cryptocurrencies and their network have to be maintained with other resources. Not only that but 51% attacks actually happen [slashdot.org] so your cryptocurrency may just vanish one day.

      • Only PoW crypto is susceptible to 51% attacks. Ripple, for example, is not.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by LordKronos ( 470910 )

          Nope, Ripple is only susceptible to something MUCH stupider.

          The whole bitcoin craze was quite pointless IMHO, but at least they thought they were solving some problem...namely eliminating the need to trust in a government fiat currency and banking system and it's inherent downsides (inflation, stability, vulnerability to government confiscation, bank failure which is only partially mitigated by FDIC for people with large balances, etc).

          But now with Ripple, the whole design is founded on having trust in a "b

      • Looking at news over the last several years I think it is less likely that you'd lose your coins in some hacking event, and more likely though some sort of more fraud scheme. Either in some coin that is more less fake, or even in established coins where the brokerage/trading houses just embezzle it and vanish.

        A lot is made out of blockchain ledgers supplanting the need about placing your trust in corporate banks or nations, but they don't exactly have a monopoly on fraudulent activity.

        I think the time has c

    • Tulips? ;) [wikipedia.org]
  • Not news. (Score:4, Informative)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:28AM (#56760036)

    All widely traded cryptocurrencies have been trending downward since the crazy peak last December. There have been multiple larger events where values dropped precipitously without definable causes. Bitcoin and it's associated cryptocurrencies are a racket wherein people want to get rich by merely transferring money from others to themselves. There is no investment behind purchasing, it's all just taking.

    Tell me when it really crashes and who's left holding the bag. Until then, shut up with this crap.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      All widely traded cryptocurrencies have been trending downward since the crazy peak last December. There have been multiple larger events where values dropped precipitously without definable causes. Bitcoin and it's associated cryptocurrencies are a racket wherein people want to get rich by merely transferring money from others to themselves. There is no investment behind purchasing, it's all just taking.

      Tell me when it really crashes and who's left holding the bag. Until then, shut up with this crap.

      Replace Bitcoin with "Precious Metals (Bullion)". Investments are risky. Don't invest if you don't know how to. Don't invest what you can't afford to lose. People don't get rich without taking educated risks.

      • Re:Not news. (Score:4, Informative)

        by symes ( 835608 ) on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:42AM (#56760090) Journal

        Are you comparing rare elements dug out of the Earth with bitcoin? One has limited supply, the other is unlimited. When it gets too difficult to mine one coin, just go and invent a new one. When you've dug all the gold out of the Earth then that is that.

        • This is like saying that once all the gold and silver dries up, we can just switch to bottlecaps. It doesn't work this way. Something is only valuable if people give it value. Sure you can start a new coin, but if people don't give it value then it's worthless.

        • by mysidia ( 191772 )

          When it gets too difficult to mine one coin, just go and invent a new one

          No... there is a limited supply of Bitcoins which are secured by the high hashing power of the Bitcoin miners, and you can't just go out and "invent a new one" and have it be comparable to Bitcoin, because your new coin will have a very low hashrate, and thus it will be easy to target with a 51% attack, should your "new invented coin" ever become valuable enough to even be worth it to try attacking.

      • Replace Bitcoin with "Precious Metals (Bullion)".

        Wrong. Most precious metals are actually useful, so they have real value. Gold and silver are great conductors which copper can be used for a magnitude of things. Even platinum is useful because it's biocompatible. Matter is a real thing but numbers are conceptual.

      • None of what you describe are investments. You are talking about speculation.
        • None of what you describe are investments. You are talking about speculation.

          You are correct. The point I was trying to make is that we speculate on many things. Gold, natural gas, oil, etc. No one gets up in arms over speculation on those things (well some do, but you get the point).

        • by Khyber ( 864651 )

          Investing is speculating, or more appropriately hypothesizing since you're working with available evidence instead of just making a guess out of thin air.

      • Re:Not news. (Score:4, Informative)

        by rgmoore ( 133276 ) <glandauer@charter.net> on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:54AM (#56760124) Homepage

        The difference between precious metals and cryptocurrencies is that precious metals have some practical uses. Apart from their use in jewelry- which in many cases is ultimately a form of bullion- they have industrial uses. Admittedly, those uses alone would result in a lower price than the current one, but they do provide some kind of absolute price floor. In contrast, cryptocurrencies have no use except as a medium of exchange, and their price will fall to zero if people decide to stop using them that way.

        And yes, you can say something similar about any fiat currency, too; there's no inherent value to dollars, euros, or yen. The practical difference there is that governments demand you use their currencies to pay taxes, which provides a real world use for them that isn't going away any time soon.

      • So what do you keep your assets in that you won't lose them in? Banknotes are guaranteed to go to zero over time. Bank accounts and stocks have been wiped out many times over the US history. Even real estate has been demonstrated as a risk investment recently.

        Gold and silver on the other hand have as much buying power today as they did 100, 1000, and 5000 years ago. The thing you don't seem to get is that precious metals are not an "investment" to make a profit. They are a store of value designed to
    • by Khyber ( 864651 )

      "There have been multiple larger events where values dropped precipitously without definable causes."

      Anyone that actually watched the buy/sell/hold orders during those times knew exactly what was going on - pumping and dumping from China and South Korea.

    • Tell me when it really crashes and who's left holding the bag.

      "You are . . . Number 6 . . ."

      This will be just like the sub-prime mortgages bust:

      The folks who bought houses way beyond their means couldn't bail it out. They were flat broke.

      The rich banks and bankers couldn't bail it out. They were "Too Big To Fail". That would have expanded the financial crisis.

      So . . . I guess that left the taxpayers . . . who had nothing to do with the sub-prime loan shenanigans . . . to bail it out.

      So . . . who will bail out the mess left by a Bitcoin Bubble Burst . . . ?

      Th

      • don't talk to me about bailing out the Banks.

        The US Government is either maliciously corrupt or COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2008/0... [nytimes.com]

        Sweden bailed out their banks but ALSO gave them a set of ADAMANTIUM HANDCUFFS along with the bailout.

        Finland DID NOT bail out their banks, and sure it SUCKED BADLY for a few years, but their financial system is BETTER AND STRONGER as a result.

        Only USA threw billions of dollars into a blackhole and told the taxpayers "there is no other way".

        In what
    • Notice Bitcoin hasn't had any crazy jumps ever since Bitcoin futures started trading? Wall Street doing it's thing...
  • I just switched my Bitcoin investment into Tesla stock.
  • South Korea owns maybe 1%, probably 0.1% of bitcoins. China and the US own almost all of them. This is utterly ridiculous to have this much of an overreaction. This is like short selling Pepsi because one delivery truck burst into flames.
    • wait whut?

      You're ACTUALLY implying that THE MARKET (ie stock exechanges) is based on REAL value?

      When THE SAME BULLSHIT REPORT that gets dragged out EVERY YEAR saying words to the effect of "Apple has JUMPED THE SHARK and we're all gonna die !!!!!!" immediately talks Apple stock by "about twenty percent".

      AT LEAST ONCE EVERY YEAR.

      (and Apple is only one of HUNDREDS of examples)

      Seriously, have you NOT been paying attention? The Stock Market is all about PERCEIVED VALUE.

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