TurboTax Started Charging the Disabled, Unemployed and Students To Make Up For Trump Tax Law (propublica.org) 279
The 2017 tax overhaul directly threatened the lucrative business of Intuit, the maker of TurboTax, so it pushed students, the disabled, and unemployed to a paid tier to make up for the lost profits. ProPublica reports: Although the company draws in customers with the promise of a "free" product, its fortunes depend on getting as many customers as possible to pay. It had been regularly charging $100 or more for returns that included itemized deductions for mortgage interest and charitable donations. Under the new law, many wealthier taxpayers would no longer be filing that form, qualifying them to use the company's free software. Intuit executives came up with a way to preserve the company's hefty profit margins: It began charging more low-income people. Which ones? Individuals with disabilities, the unemployed and people who owe money on student loans, all of whom use tax forms that TurboTax previously included for free. The shift was described to ProPublica by two people familiar with the process.
Because the new law almost doubled the standard deduction, Intuit faced a loss of users of its Deluxe edition. Most of the millions of Americans who would no longer be itemizing their deductions are relatively affluent -- making more than $75,000 a year -- but they would now potentially be eligible to use the Free Edition. In response, the company bumped a number of forms typically used by lower-income filers, which were previously available in the Free Edition, into paying editions. "They were always supposed to be customer focused, customer first," one former staffer said. But the income levels of the groups that were being driven to paid products "was never really considered." One of these forms was for a tax credit that goes exclusively to poor taxpayers who are elderly or get disability benefits. Another is used by low- to middle-income households that receive a credit for putting money in a retirement account. A third is used by taxpayers who collected unemployment benefits.
Because the new law almost doubled the standard deduction, Intuit faced a loss of users of its Deluxe edition. Most of the millions of Americans who would no longer be itemizing their deductions are relatively affluent -- making more than $75,000 a year -- but they would now potentially be eligible to use the Free Edition. In response, the company bumped a number of forms typically used by lower-income filers, which were previously available in the Free Edition, into paying editions. "They were always supposed to be customer focused, customer first," one former staffer said. But the income levels of the groups that were being driven to paid products "was never really considered." One of these forms was for a tax credit that goes exclusively to poor taxpayers who are elderly or get disability benefits. Another is used by low- to middle-income households that receive a credit for putting money in a retirement account. A third is used by taxpayers who collected unemployment benefits.
So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:5, Insightful)
And the parasite company got more parasitic to survive.
Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:3, Insightful)
Funny how this article tries to blame Trump for taxes being easier to fill out. So then a gigantic corporation that built itself off of Democrat tax laws decided to screw over the Democratic voting base to keep enriching executives. And now we should be angry at Trump because.... taxes should be harder to fill out?
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The fact that the tax code is so convoluted that the average American wants and/or needs a third party to help them file their taxes is the real crime. Turbo Tax (and other third parties) are necessary parasites because of the tax code. Simplifying the code is a good thing. That said, moving previously free forms that helped those most disadvantaged to the deluxe version is appalling. Raising the cost of the deluxe version would have been the morally correct choice. Now, is there a Congress critter (don't c
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a government run system which would be free to use that would be similar to the offerings of the various third parties?
Even better would be an Open Source app, managed by a non-profit, that anyone would be free to fork and extend.
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With an army of tax lawyers and accountants doing this for free, all year round?
Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:5, Interesting)
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Simpliying the code is a good thing.
Okay [nordicmodelusa.org].
Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:5, Insightful)
Funny how this article tries to blame Trump for taxes being easier to fill out. So then a gigantic corporation that built itself off of Democrat tax laws decided to screw over the Democratic voting base to keep enriching executives. And now we should be angry at Trump because.... taxes should be harder to fill out?
Check your biases. I read the article. Did you? It doesn't try to blame Trump for anything. It only mentions Trump a few time times:
"Trump’s Tax Law Threatened TurboTax’s Profits. So the Company Started Charging the Disabled, the Unemployed and Students."
Simple factual statement. Doesn't say Trumps change was good or bad. Just that it affected TurboTax, and they responded accordingly to protect their profits
The other references to Trump were even less interesting. The only real blaming the article does is blaming Intuit for advertising free filing and then trying to trick people into paying, and for failing to disclose what situations would incur additional charges this year.
So please feel free to point out where you think the article blames Trump or suggests we should be angry at Trump.
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Except taxes were not easier to fill out for many people. Even with the Trump changes, the itemized deductions are very likely to be much larger if the taxpayer has a mortgage, has a lot of charitable contributions, has large medical expenses, and so forth. The standard deduction is so small that it really does not take much work to exceed it by itemizing if the taxpayer is middle class and still working. Of course, the increase in the standard deduction is awesome if the taxpayer is lower middle class a
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... has a lot of charitable contributions ...
The UK has an interesting system. When you donate to a charity, you can tick a box that allows the charity to claim your tax deductions on your behalf, so they get more money, and you don't have to work.
Translated to US situation: Imagine you want to donate $100 to a charity, and have $20 tax savings, so it costs you $80 but you have the extra work. Instead you donate $80 and tick the checkbox, the charity gets an extra $20 from the tax office, it costs you $80 plus zero work.
Typically the big charit
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I'm not defending Turbo Tax, I stopped using them. But it is annoying that you have to pay to file; TurboTax and HR Block give you free federal filing but then it's $20 to e-file with the state which is absurd. So I print it out and pay a few dollars of postage so that someone has to waste time at the tax office scanning it back into a computer.
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Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:4, Interesting)
Pre-filled tax forms have been proposed many times in the USA. They are ALWAYS shot down by Intuit and other tax company lobbyists
You will notice, every time that politicians talk about "easier taxes", they are just hand-waving.
-Trump talked about reducing the number of tax brackets to make the FORMULA simpler, despite it being something anyone can do with a basic calculator
-Paul Ryan bragged about reducing the basic tax form (1040EZ) from 12 lines to 10 lines
None of these things actually make taxes easier. They are just lip-service.
The IRS has ALL of the data needed to perform pre-filled tax forms, but they won't do it.
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Mine would have been easier, but to get my state taxes right I had to fill out the federal itemization even though I was taking the new standard deduction.
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Re:Should non-taxpayers even have a say? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Should non-taxpayers even have a say? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Everyone pays taxes. Sales tax, gasoline and diesel tax, tolls, municipal taxes (either directly or through rent, part of which the landlord uses to pay his taxes), just to name a few. Even the dead pay taxes.
If I have to pay for TurboTax even when I'm dead I'm gonna be furious.
How about tax-payees? (Score:3)
Everyone pays taxes.
Actually, that's not true. My wife is a US citizen and we live in Canada. Not only does she not earn enough to pay tax (even to Canada) but now, due to changes in the US tax laws, the US actually pays her a refundable tax credit. Of course, if the US followed the example of every other country in the world and did not force non-resident citizens to file US tax returns then it would not be paying her. However, since you force her to fill out the forms each year we are forced to take the free money despite t
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Re:Should non-taxpayers even have a say? (Score:5, Insightful)
Bullshit, paying little to no income tax is not the same thing as paying no taxes. There are sales taxes, there is higher rent to cover real estate taxes, there is tax on gasoline, vehicle registration fees, paycheck withholding for social security and medicare, and so on. And many of these people with low to no taxes are not welfare recipients, so you can to stop your agonizing over the injustice of freeloaders getting by from the sweat of your brow. In my experience the poorer one is the harder the work becomes.
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Your argument is horse shit. I'm pushing a negative income tax, which means for some people we ultimately pay them.
There is a certain amount of income per capita--it's $63,000 now--and the poorest worker seems to get under 24% of that. Some people don't work: if you can't make revenue, you can't hire people; and if everyone in your area is poor, there's no revenue to make payroll, thus high unemployment with a bunch of people searching for jobs! Our society collapses without the burger flippers and gr
sure they should (Score:3)
it's not a conflict of interest that's of any weirdness or significance. you live with them. you might become one. that's what politics is about, taking care of common things that need to be taken care of - also every voter is in a conflict of interest you moron. that's why you have voting in the first place to settle things without clubbing each other to death about who is the top dog.
usa has enough ways already to lose your voting capability as it is, whilst still having to pay taxes. even russia with th
Re: Should non-taxpayers even have a say? (Score:5, Interesting)
Your vote should be weighted to match your taxes paid.
Leeches paying zero should have zero say.
More like the ratio of taxes paid. Like the other guy said a person who makes $3 and pays $1 is putting more in that the person who make $100 and puts in $2.
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Record high stock market.
Record low unemployment.
No new wars.
Democracy still the same as usual.
The only angry people ar eLazy Professional Victims, aka the Democrat voter base. Their handouts are threatened.
You can tell how full of shit they are by the way they pretend to be concerned about the deficit, but only when one of their own isn't in charge.
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Record high stock market.
Record low unemployment.
No new wars.
So you are a fan of Faustian bargains eh? It's all good as long as you get what you want? So many republicans are like this. They have principles, when having principles can be used as a reason to be outraged, and when they are inconvenient they vanish. I'm sure there are countless people who make up rationalizations every day why they continue to support evil. Perhaps it has Dental coverage?
Democracy still the same as usual.
The only angry people ar eLazy Professional Victims, aka the Democrat voter base. Their handouts are threatened.
You can tell how full of shit they are by the way they pretend to be concerned about the deficit, but only when one of their own isn't in charge.
How can one have a democracy when a deciding margin of voters base their decisions on propaganda and lies? A de
Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:2)
And not volunteering to forego their free shit so that money can be saved to avoid increasing federal debt.
Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:4, Insightful)
Ya right, people bitched about Hillary being yet another Clinton, and Jeb being yet another Bush, and there was so much outcry at such obvious dynasties. But now your favorite won and it's ok to have nepotism (or play golf while in office, or use teleprompters, or other double standards).
Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:2, Informative)
Just like it's suddenly not okay to lock immigrant children in cages, despite all of the photos being from 2014 and 2015?
Or did you think that you weren't a hypocritical, sniveling fucking moron?
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Yeah, if only someone made a big poster issue of it by blowing it up to epic levels and started demanding congress fix it permanently... it isn't like people would sympathize with congress asserting over and over that he has the "power to fix it right now" and pretend his fix would last longer than his term.
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But no, we don't want another dynasty, there are over 300 Million Americans, we can and should spread the presidenc
Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:2)
You are plenty eligible for a dictionary.
Re: So Trump took down a parasite company (Score:2)
You are not required to file if you make under a certain amount of money...which can be as much as $25k for married filing jointly.
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Yeah, but the ./ and the rest of the media outlets would blame him for job losses at Intuit, and depict him as a bone head who has no business making economic decisions.
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No. Sorry. The TCJA was good the US, and advanced the lives of the plurality of Americans. It has just the effect it was designed to. There are more jobs now, and real wages are increasing. Don't believe all the DNC rhetoric of "yeah I have to work two of those jobs".
People lost their tax refunds because they were paying less taxes each pay period as well, not because they were taxed more. Refunds are just interest free loans you make to the government for no reason. Keep your pay, pay down your credit card
This is completely wrong (Score:5, Insightful)
Finally the act put _far_ too much money into the hands of the rich. They have more than they could ever spend, so they're engaging in risky investments with it. Trump's administration (staffed by ex-Goldman Sach's folks who were behind the last crash) removed the last few regulations put in place post 2008. The result is an over-reved economy with little or no regulation. It will crash and crash hard.
Right now a combination of low gas prices and low interest rates are keeping it going, but if reelected after the 2020 election Trump will let it collapse and then leave the mess in the hands of the Democrats, just like Bush Jr did. Meanwhile our economy is in even weaker shape than last time, with Trump encouraging people to blame minorities and kick them out of the country. That will not end well.
Trump's presidency has been a disaster, but the US economy is so large it will take years for that to become apparent. The good news is we can stop it. Show up for the Democratic primary. Vote for Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders, whichever's ahead in the polls. Either one's got good, solid policies proven to work in numerous other first world nations. Then vote for them in the general and we can start to really fix things.
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FY 2019 - $3.44 trillion, estimated.
FY 2018 - $3.33 trillion.
FY 2017 - $3.32 trillion.
FY 2016 - $3.27 trillion.
FY 2015 - $3.25 trillion.
Doesn't appear that the tax cuts reduced U.S. Federal Tax Revenue.
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83% of the tax cuts went to the top 1%.
According to the Wikipedia article about TCJA [wikipedia.org], the standard deduction was doubled, and tax rates were lowered at every bracket level after the first one. (The first one used to be 10% and still is 10%. But every higher bracket got a cut.)
This means that every single person who makes over $9,525 of taxable income per year, and every married couple filing jointly who make over $19,050, is paying less taxes as a result of TCJA. It's money in their pockets.
The highest t
Sure (Score:4, Interesting)
The TL;DR is that the tax cuts were supposed to pay for themselves with growth. That didn't happen [nbcnews.com]. There's been widespread outsourcing & automation. The companies literally took the money and used it to eliminate jobs...
As for the economy, 78% of Americans live Paycheck to Paycheck [forbes.com]. 57 million Americans are temps or Uber drivers [forbes.com]. That's almost 1/3 or workers. There's over a trillion in student loan debt [wikipedia.org]. These are not the signs of a healthy economy.
You're only looking at the stock market, Most Americans don't own stock [chicagotribune.com].
We've been doing Supply Side economics, so the economy looks great if you're somebody who invests for a living instead of working for one. Thing is, for the working class Supply Side doesn't work. Businesses don't hire more people because they have more money, they hire more people because there's more demand. This is why we need things like Universal Healthcare, Tuition Free College and a $15/hr min wage. They put power in the demand side of the equation, and increased demand translates to increased jobs in a way that giving to the top never will.
And there's no secret I'm a lefty, and that lefties are in favor of progressive taxation. e.g. the more you benefit from society the more dues you pay. We left the development of civilization up to charity and the ruling class for centuries. Didn't turn out so well. It was called The Dark Ages.
Re: This is completely wrong (Score:2)
We are discussing taxes, not trade. Besides, China has pumped and dumped their currency so much to nullify the effect of the tariffs in a bid to maintain their manufacturing sector so much, that it has kept prices relatively even. China is now funding in effect us govt operations through subsidies and tariffs on the goods being shipped.
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citing the Whitehouse.gov site?
What else should I cite as an example of what President Trump is claiming about the economy? His Administration puts out press releases on the whitehouse.gov site, and he puts out comments on Twitter, so I cited those two. Is that really so difficult to understand?
the removal of the personal exemption
I missed that in the Wikipedia page. Thank you for the correction. Here's an article about that:
https://www.thebalance.com/personal-exemptions-3193153 [thebalance.com]
Quote from above article:
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Vote in your primary (Score:2)
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The good news is we can stop it. Show up for the Democratic primary.
I still can't figure out if you are young and naive or old and stupid. There is a third option, but I doubt that you fall into it: Malicious empowerment.
The democrats aren't going to do anything useful for the masses, just like the republicans won't, They do not live the lives of the masses; therefore, their values don't match the values of the masses. Mostly, this is a good thing, but it also ensures that the masses are going to be abused (intentionally and unintentionally) by both political parties.
I can'
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You lose lots of credibility with: >> Finally the act put _far_ too much money into the hands of the rich
It's such a superficial and meaningless thing, I hesitate to use the word "point" because that connotes that it's the building block of an argument. I can't help but recognize you're using generic language that sounds important but is just echoing propaganda and not reality, and arrogantly suggesting how people should vote.
--> What are the "solid policies" you're referring to related to Bernie S
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Nope, not as a % of their income, that's entirely bullshit. They pay the least per % of their income, which makes no sense.
Re: YOU ARE RETARDED, 1% TOADY. (Score:3)
Per dollar doesnâ(TM)t matter in the slightest.
If I pay $1M/year out of the $10M/year that I earn, and you pay $1000/year out of the $8000/year that you earn, that is my $10M against your $1K. It is pretty clear that you are the problem.
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In US, there's an agreement that in exchange for IRS not making their own software to make filing easy, these companies have to offer a free alternative to certain underprivileged groups.
So there is actually something that stops these companies from "charging a nominal fee for every service they provide". It's a contract with IRS, which stipulates that IRS will not simply annihilate their entire business model and go to the system similar to one used in most European states in exchange for some small conces
It's a private company, it can do what it wants (Score:2)
Don't like it, use a competitor or fill out all the shit yourself.
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IRS tried to get this going in the past, but complexity of the system created fairly large companies who's entire business model was predicated on US tax system being as complex and hard to file as possible. Income from solving this problem allowed these companies to corrupt lawmakers and bureaucrats to effectively force IRS into contract with companies that would prevent IRS from building a system similar to one being used in most European countries today.
TurboTax is scum and the IRS is complicit (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:TurboTax is scum and the IRS is complicit (Score:5, Interesting)
More like congress has been blocking the IRS - https://www.theverge.com/2019/... [theverge.com]
Plus tax lobby generally tries to block things that make taxes simpler because they want people to not like them - https://www.npr.org/sections/m... [npr.org]
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No, turbotax is doing everything it should as a private business.
The problem is squarely upon your shoulders and the people you elect to office. Neither of the parties gives a shit about you, maybe you will remember that next time you hit the poles.
And by you, I mean everyone! Nations get the governments they deserve. You want things to change... change how you vote.
If you continue doing the same thing while expecting different results then you are insane. Voting for either D or R is doing the same damn
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Tell me that when said companies aren't busy corrupting the politicians we try to elect.
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I wonder what that would look like. I suspect the media would be influenced to be dead set against such a person, possibly even spreading lies day and night about that person...
Thats not something we will see in our lifetime...
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yea, I saw that right after I posted. *derp*
Re:TurboTax is scum and the IRS is complicit (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, it is rigged, but it is not unbeatable. The reason it is difficult is because many have been able to make you buy that con and believe it in far more than you should.
The real problem is that the American people are corrupt and we need to get them to understand that first. Only corrupt people send corrupt politicians to represent them.
People seem to have no trouble when a politician does something that is corrupt that benefits them... they only bitch when a politician does something against their desires.
It has been happening with Presidents over-stepping their authority for years. Each side cheers when their own does something corrupt that gets them what they want but gets all pissy when the other side returns the favor.
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What's horseshit is the idea that sending a country any money is helping. And bitching about Americans being more or less corrupt than other is a strawman argument. I don't give a shit about the rest, I give a shit about the corrupt fuckers over here because the corrupt fuckers in my back yard is more important that a bunch of corrupt fuckers an ocean away.
But sure, go right on ahead and apologize away for why America is corrupt. Your argument it just like the Once-Ler in the lorax... if I am not cutting
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lol, yea I already said I saw that... but yea, maybe people would care a bit more if they did think about taxes before they get their various freaks on!
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But still very difficult to fill out unless one has very simple tax details. But once that itemized deduction is larger than the standard deduction, things get very complicated very fast, with very confusing instructions. And this does not affect only the wealthy, or even upper middle class. It does not take much at all to get to the point where itemization saves you money, even with the new larger standard deduction. Have medical bills exceeding your 2% AGI, have a home office, get a mortgage, live in a
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Odd, maybe it's California but my mortgage deduction by itself is larger than the standard deduction.
For home office, I did mean self employed people and that includes a lot of people you wouldn't classify as wealthy.
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Let's not forget (Score:5, Informative)
This:
https://www.propublica.org/art... [propublica.org]
And this:
https://news.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org]
Summary: Intuit suck
Hold up... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Hold up... (Score:5, Interesting)
That is the usual catch 22-logic many have.
Ignore anything good results that a political opponent creates while gravitating towards everything bad. It is very similar to the the "risk aversion paradox" or "Ellsberg Paradox".
People have a habit of sticking to the evil they know and this is an offshoot of that. In their minds even if something good is done, they think it can only be for the wrong reasons and still lambaste it.
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Big business is not a uniform, over-arching club. Some industries benefit. Some companies within those industries benefit. Any company can benefit from a number of different changes.
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For individuals: Trump's tax law eliminates a lot of deductions permanently, thereby increasing taxes, while increasing the standard deduction temporarily, thereby decreasing taxes. For some people this means paying less in the short term, for some people it means paying more. When the increase on the standard deduction runs out, everyone will be paying more.
For companies: Trump's tax law reduces corporat
Tax code (Score:4, Insightful)
We need to change the tax code so most people don't NEED to use greedy, third-party companies to prepare their taxes.
And when the tax code is changed ever so little, such that it actually DOES make it a little easier and faster (the first time I have ever seen that happen), the result is this kind of crap.
Sigh
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Well, they already don't NEED to use greedy, third-party companies to prepare their taxes. It just easier to do taxes with them.
But yea the government should require the IRS to file 100% of every citizens taxes and for them to send them out to be contested, corrected, or accepted. And if a citizen can prove that the IRS did not offer a correct return with the best possible amounts then uncle sam has to pay out an extra $1,000 smackers to them plus any court costs. Along with double the amount against bus
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Everyone here is dumb (Score:5, Informative)
There is literally zero reason why almost anyone here has to do out their own taxes at all. The IRS already has all of the information you have to report long before you type it in. That's the scandal.
Re:Everyone here is dumb (Score:5, Interesting)
More to the point, not only do they have all the information necessary, they actually do the calculations to check your work... just not immediately.
I found this out first-hand the first time I used tax-prep software instead of doing everything dead-tree. I made a mistake during my return... I missed a checkbox I should have clicked, which resulted in my receiving a return about $1100 larger than I should have. Three years later, I got a notice from the IRS pointing out the fact and inviting me to dispute it if I had records showing I was correct (I wasn't. It was a legit screwup on my part.). And, of course, they wanted their $1100 back. And I'm basically a nobody with an uncomplicated return that would not have set off any flags in whatever software they use to choose who to verify or audit.
So, likewise, it infuriates me that I have to file taxes at all. The IRS does have all the info themselves. The do all the calculations themselves. So why the hell do we have to go through the headache every year?
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I suggest that you live in a salary-heavy area instead of a wave-heavy area, that you yourself are on salary, such that you are ignorant of anything but a specific pre-set income value at the end of every year. The rest of the country outside of the valley you live in earns a wage. Instead of a pre-set value per year,
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Instead of a pre-set value per year, it is a pre-set value per hour, and if we work fewer or more hours this year than last year, then we change tax brackets.
Tax brackets are applied to income within a specific range (5% on the first $10k, 10% on the next $30k, 15% on the $50k after that). The marginal rate does not apply to your entire annual income, so you don't need to know how much you'll make in the future to know how much tax will be levied on income you're earning now—just how much income you've earned so far. If the tax is collected at multiple points (more than one employer, for example) they they would need to coordinate to correctly track cumula
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For most people in the USA filing a 1040 is completely optional.
If you choose not to file:
A: You will NOT receive any refund on the extra tax you paid. The IRS is just fine with that.
B: If the IRS decides you owed even a penny more then what was already withheld you will be subject to fines and interest. The IRS is just fine with that.
C: ???
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Be careful what you ask for (Score:2)
There is literally zero reason why almost anyone here has to do out their own taxes at all. The IRS already has all of the information you have to report long before you type it in. That's the scandal.
Fortunately that is not true except in the simplest cases. If you [Dallas May] thought about it a little bit, you would realize what a bad idea it would be to give them that much data. Take all the problems and abuses of the Google and Facebook and add the coercive powers of the government on top? No thank you.
For reference, in Japan the simplest case is handled by the employer. If your income comes from a single employer, then they prepare the tax return for you, after giving you an opportunity to report a
Re: Be careful what you ask for (Score:2)
That's because you are dumb.
I bet all of the information that you submit to the IRS was already submitted through other sources before you.
Public masturbation of 4891515 (Score:2)
Z^-1
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Unemployment is a fucking scam (Score:3)
The worst part by far though was how the taxes were managed for it. When I filed for unemployment, I checked the box to have taxes withheld from my unemployment check (just as one would do for regular income). When the check came, indeed taxes were withheld. But what happened with my next tax return (by which time I had a new full time position)?
When I put my unemployment benefits into turbotax it promptly told me I had to pay all of it back to New York. Every. Last. Cent. That was, to put it mildly, an unpleasant surprise. Apparently for some reason never explained to me, my unemployment benefits were not really a benefit at all but rather a zero-interest loan with extremely short payoff terms.
,bR> The next time some fucking blowhard on the radio is going on about how people "want to be on unemployment", try first actually talking with someone who has been there. I sure as hell didn't want to be on unemployment, and the fact that it screwed me on the way out makes me want to work even harder to avoid it in the future.
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If its the former, fuck you scumbag.
If its the later, you dont deserve that money, and it isnt "Every. Last. Cent."
So which is it? You say you had to pay back "Every. Last. Cent," so you are a fucking scumbag, yes?
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In other words you assume too much. Far, far, too much. But thanks for playing.
I had to pay back every last cent of unemployment that I received. It was not a pleasant surprise.
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Why does anybody use this stuff? (Score:2)
Intuit's programers suck (Score:2)
For a company that rakes in over 5 billion in revenue and has a market cap of 72 billion, you'd think they could afford to hire some competent programmers. Case in point, the current Mac version of Quicken sucks so I still use the 2007 version. But since the beginning of 2019, I haven't been able to import transactions from my credit card accounts. Aside from the fact that effing Chase charges you $9.95 to be able to download transactions from within Quicken, a task I could do myself for free, losing thi
I got a speeding ticket... (Score:2)
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They are breaking their agreements with the federal government. Under a bargain they made with the feds, Intuit are supposed to offer free tax filing to ALL American filers who make under $66,000 per year. Instead, they only offer that service to people who make less than $66,000 and have the simplest of the simple tax returns. They should return any inappropriately charged fees retroactive to when they made that deal in 2002.
Personally, I use an accountant. It costs me about $100 and I see him for abou
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