Google Cloud Worth $225 Billion, Deutsche Bank Says (bloomberg.com) 65
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Alphabet's cloud business alone is now worth $225 billion, Deutsche Bank analysts led by Lloyd Walmsley wrote in a note. The unit could report compound annual growth of 55% between 2018 and 2022, and reach annual sales of about $38 billion by 2025, the analysts wrote. The value ascribed by Deutsche Bank to Google Cloud is nearly twice the market value of IBM, which reported cloud revenue of $19.2 billion in 2018, at the close of trading on Wednesday, Bloomberg data show.
Deutsche Bank about to go bankrupt ... (Score:3)
... says me. ;)
All I see from them, is extreme cutbacks. Like they can barely make ends meet, and are scraping together their last cents. For one more bottle of booze.
Deservedly so, after being a major co-conspirator in one of the biggest financial manipulation scandal in history. (Libor scandal)
Not yelling "socialize our losses", err, "bailout" again yet though ...
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Oh don't worry, they have some investments in a major real estate tycoon in the US, who I'm sure will keep them afloat...
Exactly the reason they will go bankrupt.
A one trick pony.
Lets's see if it's as funny the 5th time.
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How long can a cancer grow at 55%/year? (Score:5, Insightful)
Compound growth is a really frightening thing. If that estimate is accurate and if the google is able to sustain that growth rate (and assuming that no other corporate cancer grows faster), then it won't take long for the google to swallow everything.
So what's that got to do with the price of tea in China?
Just the old bringing-it-back-to-earth joke. I'm not seeing the natural monopoly here. What I'm seeing is a broken economic system where insane growth is defined as "good". Convince me this is a sustainable model. Go ahead. I double dare 'ya.
Solution approach time. If you think freedom is good, then you should want (1) More choices, not one, and (2) Prefer smaller corporations (so, among other advantages, we can have smaller governments). My favorite approach would be to tax excessive bigness using a progressive tax on profits based on market share. Not a penalty for success, but rather an inducement to reproduce the good ideas in more companies while increasing retained earnings and producing higher shareholder value.
But I've said that before. I'm still waiting for (1) A better solution approach, (2) Constructive criticism, or (3) Evidence of comprehension. Ergo, I bid you ADSAuPR, atAJG.
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I hate typos, even in syntactic consistency.
s/Prefer smaller/Smaller/
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defined as "good". Convince me this is a sustainable model.
Why does something have to be sustainable to be good?
Especially growth.Track an infant's body mass gain. By age 20 he will weigh 10,000 lbs....this isn't sustainable we need to put this kid on a diet!
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That is not what I wrote. What part of sustained compound growth are you unable to understand?
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That is not what I wrote. What part of sustained compound growth are you unable to understand?
/quot /whispers you are replying to your own post. (x2)
I think it's bedtime.
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Huge scale has good aspects as well. It becomes standardized, making it easy and efficient to develop solutions (plus troubleshoot etc.). It enables things like massive elasticity.
The control imbalance is a downside. How much it's worth any extra regulation? I'm not sure myself.
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Easy to address the first part of your reply. Efficiency is less important than freedom. At least that's how I feel. However I think that a lot of the virtues of scale can be achieved through open standards even if the companies following those standards are competing quite viciously.
In this context, my suggestion might not yet put any pressure on any of the major players, as long as none of them are dominating the cloud market. However, the basic idea is to make sure there are at least 4 to 6 truly competi
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''Convince me this is a sustainable model. ''
I agree but the cyclicas are sure are helping. And as far as the cloud portion of Alphabet is concerned, they're basically the third place player in what is debatably a 5 player market. Considering that the second place player just inked up the largest contract the pentagon had ever awarded, I'd have to say that a rising tide lifts all boats. Likewise followed by low tide and an equal lowering of altitude.
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Two questions:
(1) What are cyclicas?
(2) I'm a little confused by your "I agree" in response to a quote that was actually a kind of rhetorical statement (even a question) eliciting for counter-evidence. The surface interpretation is the you agree with me that high compound growth rates are not sustainable in the long term.
As regards the body of your comment, the prevailing business philosophy of bigness uber alles is that you have to be #1 or #2 in the market, or you should get out. Which usually translates
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/grabs bill of /. hat and turns it to the back of head
Sounds like commie bullshit to me
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Sounds like you don't understand and lack the intellectual integrity to admit it, let alone ask a pertinent question. Please prove me wrong.
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There is no such thing as endless growth, even without competition. But Google has competition from Microsoft, Oracle, Amazon... It's not like Google is a yeast alone in a ocean of sugar water.
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There is no such thing as endless growth, even without competition. But Google has competition from Microsoft, Oracle, Amazon... It's not like Google is a yeast alone in a ocean of sugar water.
This was mostly addressed in some other branch of the thread, but to recap,
One of the profit-maximization principles of the "wining" CC (corporate cancer) is that if you can't be #1 or #2 in a particular niche, then you should get out of that niche. Usually that means that a "losing" CC sells that part of itself to the highest bidder, which is usually #1 (because #1 wants to get larger and consolidate its position), but sometimes to another player (who wants to gamble for a higher slot). The "losing" CC is
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Which explains why there are a scope of major automotive companies operating 110 years after the first mass produced automobile.
It hasn't been addressed. You've thrown an easily disprovable pet theory at it. One that is objectively disproven by reality.
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It's 2:19 pm in Japan, and Shannon Jacobs is ricocheting between sexually assaulting commenters day and night. And commenting about 10x more on Slashdot and Ars than he was just 6 months ago.
Retirement is going poorly for you, isn't it.
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It's 2:21 am in Japan, and Shannon Jacobs is back, sexually assaulting commenters day and night. And commenting about 10x more on Slashdot and Ars than he was just 6 months ago.
Retirement really is going poorly for you, isn't it.
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Re:Sexual assault by Shannon Jacobs (Score:2)
Japanese resident Shannon Jacobs up his game at 2:07 pm to now twice a day sexually assault those who have disagreed with his ramblings. And replies to every single comment. That's not a sign of anything...
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Japanese resident Shannon Jacobs up his game at 2:11 am to now twice a day sexually assault those who have disagreed with his ramblings. And replies to every single comment. Lets go for three times per day.
Dance for me, shanen.
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It's 2:10 am in Japan, and resident Shannon Jacobs is back, sexually assaulting commenters day and night
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Japanese resident Shannon Jacobs drops everything at 2:16 pm to now twice a day sexually assault those who have disagreed with his ramblings. And replies to every single comment. Lets go for three times per day.
Dance for me, shanen.
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Japanese resident Shannon Jacobs drops everything at 2:17 am to now twice a day sexually assault those who have disagreed with his ramblings. And replies to every single comment. Lets go for three times per day.
Dance for me, shanen.
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Japanese resident Shannon Jacobs drops everything at 2:08 pm to now twice a day sexually assault those who have disagreed with his ramblings. And replies to every single comment. Lets go for three times per day.
Dance for me, shanen.
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Japanese resident Shannon Jacobs drops everything at 2:21 am to now twice a day sexually assault those who have disagreed with his ramblings. And replies to every single comment. Lets go for three times per day.
Dance for me, shanen.
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Re:Sexual assault by Shannon Jacobs (Score:2)
You're slipping, Shannon Jacobs. Waiting until 2:25 pm to assault people on the Internet? Did your real-life assaults run long?
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You're slipping, Shannon Jacobs. Waiting until 2:39 pm to assault people on the Internet? Did your real-life assaults run long?
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At 2:09 pm, Shannon Jacobs regards his online sexual assault as concluded. Unless you reply, then it'll be concluded after he does it again. Unless you reply, then...
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At 2:12 pm, Shannon Jacobs regards his online sexual assault as concluded. Unless you reply, then it'll be concluded after he does it again. Unless you reply, then...
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At 4:20 am, Shannon Jacobs commits yet another online sexual assault, Wait, what? Late night of real life assaults? Did someone get away? The world wants answers.
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4:06 pm JST, and another mid-afternoon sexual assault by Shannon Jacobs. Keep creating that public record, Shannon.
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At 4:18 am, Shannon Jacobs dutifully commits another sexual assault. Late night, Shannon?
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At 4:08 am, Shannon Jacobs dutifully commits another sexual assault. Late night assaulting, Shannon?
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Amazon (Score:1)
Wonder what Amazon's Cloud is worth? No mention of it because it will probably make this story not sound exciting.
Is this a pump and dump article? (Score:3)
Because I didn't see Amazon mentioned anywhere in the comparison of Alphabet to the tier 3 cloud providers
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The article is confusing (Score:3)
They don't mention it, but current Google cloud annual revenue is about 8 billion.
“While Google Cloud has been lagging behind in the market and burning money historically, with increased confidence in the go-to-market and commercial traction under Mr. Kurian, we think it can grow market share,” they wrote."
"The unit could report compound annual growth of 55% between 2018 and 2022, and reach annual sales of about $38 billion by 2025, the analysts wrote."
"The value ascribed by Deutsche Bank to Google Cloud is nearly twice the market value of IBM, which reported cloud revenue of $19.2 billion in 2018, at the close of trading on Wednesday, Bloomberg data show."
So, the analyst is saying that if in 4 years Google cloud revenue is double what IBM's cloud revenue is today, the cloud business will be worth more than double the value of IBM today. It's kind of a silly comparison.
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So Google's revenue is about 25% of Amazon's cloud services? That sounds about right. In about 5 years, with massive projected growth, Google could... catch up to where AWS is today, at which time AWS, which is also growing at +40% would still be... much higher.
It is pretty suspicious that the article compares them to the "market value of selected peers" (Emphasis added), with no mention of AWS at all.
This is like writing an article about how Bing is really socking it to Yahoo in 2019, but not mentioning Google.
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Clouds (Score:2)
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere
I've looked at clouds that way
But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way
I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all
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Rows and floes of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere
I've looked at clouds that way
But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way
I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all
-Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now