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'We Must Take a Stand': Portland's Iconic Powell's Books Says It Won't Sell Books On Amazon Anymore (oregonlive.com) 116

Portland-based Powell's Books, the world's largest new and used bookstore, says it won't sell on Amazon anymore, "declaring that the online retail giant undermines communities by siphoning business from the real world and replacing it with internet commerce," reports Oregon Live. From the report: "For too long, we have watched the detrimental impact of Amazon's business on our communities and the independent bookselling world," CEO Emily Powell wrote in a note to customers Wednesday. "The vitality of our neighbors and neighborhoods depends on the ability of local businesses to thrive," Powell wrote. "We will not participate in undermining that vitality."

Portland-based Powell's is among the world's largest bookstores and is the city's signature retailer. But it's dwarfed by the inventory available through Amazon's website. So Powell's, like many other retailers, supplements its business by listing its products on Amazon's own site -- and giving Amazon a share of each sale. That puts smaller retailers at an obvious disadvantage, given that they're depending on a much larger competitor for an important share of their sales. But many feel they have no choice but to list on Amazon given that company's dominant market position online. The bookstore declined to elaborate on Wednesday's statement or say how much of its business flows through Amazon.
"We understand that in many communities, Amazon -- and big box retail chains -- have become the only option," Emily Powell wrote. "And yet when it comes to our local community and the community of independent bookstores around the U.S., we must take a stand."
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'We Must Take a Stand': Portland's Iconic Powell's Books Says It Won't Sell Books On Amazon Anymore

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  • A Cycle? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Jarwulf ( 530523 ) on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:36PM (#60447960)
    I wonder how many brick and mortars the Sears and Roebuck's Catalogue put of business. Its amazing they never seemed to seriously put much effort into reviving a modern day version of it with current trends. Maybe history will repeat itself and Amazon will give way to physical locations to some extent just like the catalogue did.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by fermion ( 181285 )
      Sears leveraged the railroad and huge subsidies by the USPS to put the general store out of business. This was legitimate innovation by a firm who understood the technology and had the skill to leverage it using catalogs and efficient logistics.

      Powell books, on the other hand, is run by a megalomaniacal family who through mind control and manipulation have convinced their cult members that Powell's is the source of their salvation. There is nothing special about Powells. It is not an independent book sto

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Have you been to a bookstore? Have you been to Powell's?

        Four whole stores does not make them the behemoth you seem to think they are, and you're simply on crack if you think they prioritize anything over their Portland customers. The only reason they began selling online in the first place was to do a better job for their local customers- if you're the last one to have read "On the Road" in Portland, they can't just buy it back from you to sit on the shelves forever, but they can absolutely sell it to so
        • by fermion ( 181285 )
          I have been to Powellâ(TM)s many times. I also have many independent stores in my city because we have nothing like Powellâ(TM)s to destroy them.

          My point is that Amazon allows independent, especially used books stores, from around the country to find customers looking for books. I have found many books, many out of print books I never thought I would find again, using the Amazon platform.

          Amazon has destroyed the commodity large bookstore that depends on premium prices. Powellâ(TM)s big co

        • Powell's has book buyers, meaning there's some curation in the very presence of a used book, which is something Amazon's model does not and will not ever have.

          Powell's has to be selective about what they by because it has to be physically handled (which costs money) and eventually shelved (and every linear inch of shelving has ongoing costs.) They have to be reasonably certain that investment of money will pay off.

          Amazon's new book department is similarly curated as handling and storage costs money - and a

      • by whitroth ( 9367 )

        This is the stupidest thing I've seen posted today. Oh, yeah, Powell's, with a few stores, competes with Amazon, which is worth a trillion dollars?

        But then, I doubt that fermion reads anything other than comic books.

        • This is the stupidest thing I've seen posted today. Oh, yeah, Powell's, with a few stores, competes with Amazon, which is worth a trillion dollars?

          But then, I doubt that fermion reads anything other than comic books.

          Locally, they do compete with Amazon. I don't think GP was suggesting they compete in all markets.

  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:46PM (#60448002)

    It really is.

  • siphoning business from the real world and replacing it with internet commerce

    Wait until they find out the internet is made out of bits of real world. (Well, except for the addresses that you have to access through the router at Miskatonic U.)

  • End of an era. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jma05 ( 897351 ) on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:57PM (#60448030)

    Powell's is a truly unique book store, it epitomizes the name.
    It is a local cultural landmark. People would spend an evening there, browsing. Authors would come to speak and you can chat with them.
    However, I don't see how they can survive anymore than Blockbuster. I am just surprised how long they lasted.

    • by DogDude ( 805747 )
      Plenty of us still buy books at real book stores. They'll be fine.
      • But do your children buy and read real books? Someday, you will die.
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          But do your children buy and read real books? Someday, you will die.

          Based on the continued devolution of humanity, I can only assume you're referring to not only the death of print, but the intellectual capability to interpret it.

          If you don't know what I'm talking about, Ask Siri. Your children certainly have to.

        • Re:End of an era. (Score:4, Interesting)

          by garett_spencley ( 193892 ) on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:03AM (#60449238) Journal

          But do your children buy and read real books?

          Yes. I can't speak for anyone else's children, but my 19 year-old daughter is a bookworm like her parents.

          I think there's going to be a downsizing of the physical book industry. Lots of people enjoy listening to audio books or using screen-readers, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I also hear a lot of anecdotal evidence that there are still a lot of people out there, including younger people, who prefer reading a physical book.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Plenty of people, probably. Enough people? And that number keeps decreasing every year.

      • by jma05 ( 897351 )

        Powell's isn't just another book store though.
        It is perhaps the last of its kind.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Osgeld ( 1900440 )

          might as well be, most of us never heard of it until just now

          • Re:End of an era. (Score:4, Interesting)

            by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday August 27, 2020 @08:29PM (#60448270)

            People in the Pacific Northwest know Portland's Powell's, just like they know Seattle's Elliott Bay Book Company. Many readers up here have basically made pilgrimages to Powell's. When I lived in Seattle, I loved visiting Elliott Bay, as well as all the other musty little bookshops which were everywhere in the 80s and 90s.

            But I have to admit... I swore up and down that I'd never want to read anything but physical books. But when I had shoulder surgery and was told to completely avoid using that arm for three months, I got a KIndle so I had something to do... and now I strongly prefer reading ebooks. Just being able to change the font size on a book is incredibly handy, plus I don't have to make a trip just to get my next read.

            It's not a perfect ecosystem. It certainly is annoying that I have to go to the trouble to break the DRM just to back up my books (I do try to shop at online sellers which don't use DRM whenever possible); and it's silly that I can't sell them to someone else (even though I never sold my physical books). But the advantages definitely outweigh the disadvantages.

            • by Osgeld ( 1900440 )

              so some insignificant portion of the population of the world go to this niche hobby store, and people are surprised no one knows who they are

              • by jma05 ( 897351 )

                You are confusing people and you.
                YOU don't know who they are.
                Its quite well known in the area (Pacific Northwest). People who don't read books much know of it.
                That is why I described it as a local landmark.

        • Was there ever another of its kind? I'd compare it to the Strand, maybe.
    • Powell's is a truly unique book store, it epitomizes the name. It is a local cultural landmark. People would spend an evening there, browsing. Authors would come to speak and you can chat with them. However, I don't see how they can survive anymore than Blockbuster. I am just surprised how long they lasted.

      We used to have a large local bookstore much like that around here. My wife and I would go there on date night; have a nice dinner and spend a couple hundred dollars at the bookstore. The owners sold out to Books-A-Million and they moved the store to a huge cavernous building in an outdoor mall. It ihas far fewer books and they're all of the "Books-A-Million" variety. They used to have an entire room of computer books and now they have six feet of shelving with zero programming books. It has at least 5

  • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:57PM (#60448032)
    I've been working for a retailer for about 20 years, and we were one of the first in our category that Amazon approached to sell through them. They were asking for 30% of the gross sales, including shipping. We would have lost money on every single order. We said "no", and that was the right decision. Not only did we maintain profitability (and thrive), but morally, it would be wrong to help out our biggest competition.

    I have no sympathy for anybody who sells anything through Amazon. Eventually, they'll run them out of business by undercutting them with similar products, or by charging so much that it's impossible to make a profit. Make a deal with the devil, and you get what you deserve.
  • Abebooks.com was a long time independent online e-commerce seller of physical books online that my own appreciation lasted for years.

    Powell’s may or may not have ran on Abenooks.com platform, but I still remember procurement online from them too.

    Amazon should have been prohibited from buying Abebooks.com and users of that platform has their data filched by the acquisition.

    Who thought it was going to make sense?

  • by HiThere ( 15173 ) <charleshixsn@ear ... .net minus punct> on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:32PM (#60448132)

    When I go to the Powell's web site, if I don't know ahead of time what book I want, I can't find it. Most books don't even have the blurb from the back cover.

    I would *REALLY* prefer to buy from Powel's, but it's usually impossible.

    • You could do to Amazon what people often do with their smartphones and the Amazon app at physical brick & mortar stores. Go to Amazon, get the info you need about the product, determine if you want to buy it, then head to Powell's site to make the actual purchase.

  • Powell's sucks; the cost of their used books is relatively high, and usually are only a dollar or two off of the cost of a new book. Their retail selection sucks too.

    That said, their stores are really nice. It'd be too bad if they folded, but I said the same thing about Borders back in the day.

    • I tried buying books at Borders. The largest section was "religion." Well, except for music CDs. I don't miss Borders at all; it was a total waste to begin with.

  • doesn't mean you can't like them but yea, here's a picture for ya, 99 cent goodwill outlet near my work had 10-12 gaylords of random books, pick 10 for 99 cents, and they had to recycle almost all of them when they shut down that location a few years later

  • by spaceyhackerlady ( 462530 ) on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:44PM (#60448160)

    Powell's has always been a major reason to go to Portland. The main bookstore is amazing, but I still miss the technical bookstore around the corner on Park. When you browse physical books you sometimes find things you had no idea you wanted.

    Their web site just doesn't capture the "browsing" experience. Web sites try: some of my most interesting on line purchases have been "People who bought x also bought y", others have been just plain fat fingers.

    ...laura

    • by jonwil ( 467024 )

      I get a lot of my reading material from a bi-annual charity book sale (or at least I would if this virus hadn't forced them to cancel the last one). I have ended up with books I hadn't even heard of until I saw them in the pile but which not only turned out to be great but lead me to seek out more books in the same series or by the same author.

      This isn't just some regular charity shop, they fill several expo halls in a convention centre with books and CDs and DVDs and records and video games and more, all d

  • For buying books online my favorite place is Better World Books (www.betterworldbooks.com). In addition to selling used & new books they also support literacy programs & libraries. Really great folks. Good prices on books, too.

  • 100 years ago... "declaring that the mail order retail giant [Sears] undermines communities by siphoning business from the real world and replacing it with postal commerce,"
    • I don't think anyone in the world wrote anything like that about Sears 100 years ago, nor did anyone feel that way. You basically made up a nonsense quote.
  • Things we buy online are in the real world. People must like buying things that way or they wouldn't. Silly bookstore people.
  • I have no idea who Powell Books is, but it's already way too late to take a stand against Amazon.
    For that matter, printed books are probably on their last legs anyway.

    So, good for them deciding to stand up for something they believe in. Sorry that it won't matter now though.

  • ... in its infancy, anyone?

  • Good. I promptly signed up at Powell's, created a wish list, and off I go. I never liked Amazon anyhow. Half.com was good until eBay snatched it up and screwed it up. Idiots.
  • The last time I went to a physical book store I spent maybe 20 minutes looking for the book I wanted. They didn't have it. I brought it from amazon cheaper and without having to do more than type the title in the search bar. I wasted maybe an hour and a half including travelling time.

    If physical book stores want to stay in business they need to offer things amazon can't. I can't think what those things would be.

    • by ledow ( 319597 )

      Besides that, even if they'd had it, immediately, you're then paying for that stock space, the retail fronting, heating, lighting, staffing, etc.

      They can't compete with an Internet-only retailer, they never will. They need to find a new USP. I highly doubt "local community" is going to be it, if my (now disappeared) "local" butcher, baker, grocer, bookseller, car parts manufacturer, furniture maker, phone shop etc. are anything to go by.

      It's 2020. We need to just admit that we live in the future. Things

    • They offer two things: the ability to browse, hence serendipity, and the ability to get recommendations from the staff, who might actually know your tastes or you might know theirs.

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