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Smartphone Lobby Wants Conference for 50,000 People in June (bloomberg.com) 42

The global wireless industry is planning to allow tens of thousands of international visitors to congregate for its flagship event in Barcelona in June, more than a year after it was axed due to the pandemic. From a report: The GSMA trade body said everyone present will have to show a negative Covid-19 result to access the Fira Gran Via venue and repeat the test every 72 hours. Rapid testing centers will be made available on site and organizers are considering using hotels for more. Additional measures being put in place for one of Europe's most important business gatherings include a new contact tracing mobile app, real-time occupancy monitoring, improved air conditioning at the venue, and an increased number of on-site medical staff. "We believe that we can have around 45,000 to 50,000 attendees, as of today," Stephanie Lynch-Habib, the GSMA's chief marketing officer, said in an interview on Monday, adding that visitor interest is expected to be strong.
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  • by blahbooboo ( 839709 ) on Monday March 08, 2021 @11:37AM (#61136394)
    Make more sense if they required proof of vaccination. But the rapid tests are not very accurate. I had a couple of friends test positive for covid using the rapid test (multiple times), and then they did the PCR which was negative for Covid.
    • This is the smartphone lobby. They think they can fix everything with location services and a contact tracing app.
    • My wife's nursing home was doing rapid tests daily pre shift own employees and came across that many times and then the infected person showed symptoms of covid. Honestly the rapid tests are accurate against more variants than the pcr. Some of the newer strains show negative PCR.

      We also got real world data on vaccinated 1 dose , vaccinated 2nd dose. And unvaccinated.

      The unvaccinated fared far worse.

      However they were testing at t start of every shift. So daily. And one day good next day positive and out wa

      • by k2r ( 255754 )

        > Some of the newer strains show negative PCR.

        Wow, that’s impressive! Even multiple strains! I’m curious, do you have a source for that?

        (And I don’t mean B117 showing a single dropout in Applied Biosystems TaqPath Combo, I mean a negative PCR test result. Name a strain.)

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          Wow, thatâ(TM)s impressive! Even multiple strains! Iâ(TM)m curious, do you have a source for that?

          (And I donâ(TM)t mean B117 showing a single dropout in Applied Biosystems TaqPath Combo, I mean a negative PCR test result. Name a strain.)

          PCR can fail if there is too little virus in the body. This is usually around 1-2 days after exposure and at the end of exposure.

          Generally speaking, after that PCR is highly effective, and will detect it before you show symptoms.

          The thing is, a negative PCR te

    • Make more sense if they required proof of vaccination.

      President Biden has said that any American who wants a vaccination will have one by the end of May. But most other developed countries are way behind. Only Israel, the UK, and the UAE will be done by June. Many developing countries haven't even started.

      If a vaccine is required, the June conference will have to be pushed back to late summer or autumn.

    • by dbialac ( 320955 )
      I've seen PCR tests fail as well. A friend's entire family got COVID. 2 tested positive, the other 3 tested negative. As far as proof of vaccination, I think that depends on how well vaccinated Spain is by then. If they're close to 100%, then I think that testing is sufficient, starting with a negative PCR 72 hours before arrival there. That said, the EU in general is doing poorly as far as vaccine rollout right now. It's pretty much a crap shoot if Spain will reach that point by then.
    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      In this situation false positives are fine. You just get kicked out. False negatives are a problem, and the PCR tests have them too.

      Take any reasonable false negative rate estimate, multiply by 50,000 and you'll get a number greater than 1.

  • by LenKagetsu ( 6196102 ) on Monday March 08, 2021 @11:41AM (#61136406)

    "Absolute dumbfucks put their profits over public safety as usual"

    • ...Resulting In A 50k+ Covid Cluster!

      Tech lobbies - worse for your health than Republicans!

      • As I was saying before some Republican/Tech lobbyist tried to bury the uncomfortable yet simple truth that he is an accomplice in a genocide...

        Not Smart Lobby Don't Conference Call... Resulting In A 50k+ Covid Cluster!

        Tech lobbies - worse for your health than Republicans!

    • "Absolute dumbfucks put their profits over public safety as usual"

      As of today, the US has vaccinated 90 million people [ourworldindata.org] total and are increasing by about 2.5 million per day.

      June is 3 months away, which is about 100 days, which is about 250 million more vaccinations at the time of the conference.

      The conclusion of absolute dumbfuckery isn't obvious to me.

      Can you explain it in more detail? Is there some *other* reason not to hold the conference?

      (Also of note: The 2.5 million per day figure seems to be going up, and deaths due to covid have fallen off of a cliff. At some poin

      • by pjt33 ( 739471 )

        90 million + 250 million = 340 million. The population of the USA is less than 330 million including children, it has a moderate number of anti-vaxxers, and I don't believe that the FDA has approved any vaccine for children yet. Your extrapolation makes slightly more sense than XKCD 605 [xkcd.com], but it's still not entirely sensible.

        And that's without even mentioning the elephant in the room that figures for the USA, while not completely irrelevant to an international conference held in Europe, fall a long way short

        • 90 million + 250 million = 340 million. The population of the USA is less than 330 million

          Most of these people will need a 2nd shot.

          The J&J vaccine is single-shot, but the mRNA vaccines need a 2nd booster.

          The 2.5M/day is for single shots. The number vaccinated is half that.

      • As of today, the US has vaccinated 90 million people total and are increasing by about 2.5 million per day.

        June is 3 months away, which is about 100 days, which is about 250 million more vaccinations at the time of the conference.

        The conclusion of absolute dumbfuckery isn't obvious to me.

        Can you explain it in more detail? Is there some *other* reason not to hold the conference?

        It's an international event held in Barcelona. Not all countries are vaccinating as quickly as the US, and the target audience for the conference wouldn't mostly be in one of prioritized groups. Getting all international mutations of coronavirus into one place at one time seems liek a great way to get some sort of super mutation once the UK and SA variants get it on :)

        • by larwe ( 858929 )
          Also, the vaccine is not some kind of +4 Eldritch God-Armor rendering the wearer immune to Covid attacks, with a bonus saving throw against cooties. The vaccine(s) [that I've read about - I know nothing of Russia's Sputnik nor the Chinese vaccine - only really read much about Pfizer, Moderna, J&J and AstraZeneca] seem to provide superbly good, close to perfect protection to the recipient _against getting hospitalized or deaded_. YAY! They seem to provide great, but not perfect protection against the rec
      • yes that matters, but only in as much as it a) reduces burdens on our healthcare system and b) reduces the spread.

        The issue is that vaccination doesn't guarantee you won't get the virus, it makes it less likely, and it makes it *much* less likely you'll end up in a hospital.

        But if we go back to allowing super spreader events before things are completely under control we risk a lot of people getting it, not getting sick, but eventually creating a mutation that *will* get people sick.

        That's what p
  • So they won't eat their own dogfood, and just use their fucking phones. Just goes to show... phones suck; the need for their conference clears negates any [real] need for their conference.

  • Spain had one of the strongest outbreaks of COVID in Europe and by extension enacted some of the strongest rules. I wish you the best of luck telling a government currently still fighting the virus, one of the few governments that has closed intra-EU borders, and one of the only governments to propose a mandatory vaccination program that you want to host 50000 foreigners just so you can show off shitty gadgets.

    • by larwe ( 858929 )
      Well, it's not exactly a mandatory vaccination program - it's "we will offer it to everyone, by name, one at a time, and keep a list of people who say no". https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]
      • Indeed. But zoom in on some of the sub regions in Spain and you start getting a different story than just taking names. They intend to kick arse too. I hesitate to provide a direct link though because it could quite as well be fake news considering I can't find reference to it from a news website I actually know, but then Google has blacklisted most Spanish papers due to their anti-google law.

        Take this with a grain of salt: http://www.surinenglish.com/na... [surinenglish.com] but there are plenty of sites saying that this law

        • by larwe ( 858929 )
          I can believe it. Here in the US it's probably between 12-24 months away before it will be legal for anyone to require vaccinations (employers are quite interested in this) - it's unlawful to order someone to take an unapproved drug and the vaccines will be in EUA until the 2-year trials are up. Interestingly, this even applies to the military, too - the military can't order its members to take these vaccines because of the same Federal law.

          In Europe it might be easier for them to mandate vaccines, even in

          • Here in the US it's probably between 12-24 months away before it will be legal for anyone to require vaccinations

            I sincerely doubt that. You couldn't even get people to wear masks :-)

            is going to be achieved not through government mandates, but through commercial inconvenience.

            Actually this is very likely. If I had to compare the USA to a European country I'd say the Netherlands. They also have a constitutional right to freedoms to the point where every time the government imposed a mask mandate some activist group took them to court. It took 6 months of legal wranglings to actually get to a point where the police could issue legally enforceable fines for not wearing a mask.

            However in this country there is curr

            • by larwe ( 858929 )

              Here in the US it's probably between 12-24 months away before it will be legal for anyone to require vaccinations

              I sincerely doubt that. You couldn't even get people to wear masks

              Oh, there will be no state or federal mandate for vaccinations (though I could see some hyper-liberal local municipalities in CA or NY for example maybe trying it). In this instance I'm talking very specifically about employers requiring vaccinations of their employees. For reasons of productivity and liability, this is definitely going to be A Thing as soon as it's legal (several small employers have already tried it, many larger employers have said they are looking at implementing it when lawful).

              I'm not one of those freedom loving flag waving nuts, but I do worry about the implications of a potential two tiered system. ...

              Withou

  • Somehow it seems to balance out.
  • Vaccines have been generally available for three months (two months for those over 65) in Moscow and its surrounds. Life is back to normal. Whomever has chosen not to get vaccinated, it's their fault.

  • Seems like a simple solution. Make them pay for insurance. An underwriter will be far more realistic about the risk than some corporate surrogates. If this conference is critical to their businesses, then they will have no problems ponying up the cash to pay for their superspreading.
  • FWIW, I know My Current Employer has banned corporate travel to any trade shows at least through 2Q without a C-level waiver.

    Maybe the organizers are in DGAF-mode expecting carriers & handset makers to beat down the doors for a chance to wheel & deal again, but I'm not seeing it.

  • should not need meatbag gatherings, which are obscenely wasteful of all kinds of resources.

    Technology should find more and better ways to reduce travel. Shipping ~50,000 humans to and from an event plus their support personnel, equipment and all that is required to make the gathering happen is waste. It is PROFITABLE waste which is why promoters want it to happen, but there is good beyond money. Not that I don't enjoy massive drunken junkets but call them what they are and understand there are alternative w

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