CNN Reports 'Unprecedented Heat, Hundreds Dead' as Climate Change Hits the Northern Hemisphere (cnn.com) 211
Canada's highest temperature ever recorded happened Tuesday, in the small British Columbia town of Lytton, reports CNN. But it's just part of "an unprecedented heat wave that has over a week killed hundreds of people and triggered more than 240 wildfires" across the Canadian province — "most of which are still burning."
Lytton hit 49.6 degrees Celsius (121.3 degrees Fahrenheit), astounding for the town of just 250 people nestled in the mountains, where June maximum temperatures are usually around 25 degrees Celsius (77 degrees Fahrenheit). This past week, however, its nights have been hotter than its days usually are, in a region where air conditioning is rare and homes are designed to retain heat. Now fires have turned much of Lytton to ash and forced its people, as well as hundreds around them, to flee.
Scientists have warned for decades that climate change will make heat waves more frequent and more intense. That is a reality now playing out in Canada, but also in many other parts of the northern hemisphere that are increasingly becoming uninhabitable. Roads melted this week in America's northwest, and residents in New York City were told not to use high-energy appliances, like washers and dryers — and painfully, even their air conditioners — for the sake of the power grid. In Russia, Moscow reported its highest-ever June temperature of 34.8 degrees Celsius (94 degrees Fahrenheit) on June 23, and Siberian farmers are scrambling to save their crops from dying in an ongoing heat wave. Even in the Arctic Circle, temperatures soared into the 30s [above 86 degrees Fahrenheit]. The World Meteorological Organization is seeking to verify the highest-ever temperature north of the Arctic Circle since records there began, after a weather station in Siberia's Verkhoyansk recorded a 38-degree day on June 20 [over 100 degrees Fahrenheit].
In India, tens of millions of people in the northwest were affected by heat waves... And in Iraq, authorities announced a public holiday across several provinces for Thursday, including the capital Baghdad, because it was simply too hot to work or study, after temperatures surpassed 50 degrees and its electricity system collapsed.
Scientists have warned for decades that climate change will make heat waves more frequent and more intense. That is a reality now playing out in Canada, but also in many other parts of the northern hemisphere that are increasingly becoming uninhabitable. Roads melted this week in America's northwest, and residents in New York City were told not to use high-energy appliances, like washers and dryers — and painfully, even their air conditioners — for the sake of the power grid. In Russia, Moscow reported its highest-ever June temperature of 34.8 degrees Celsius (94 degrees Fahrenheit) on June 23, and Siberian farmers are scrambling to save their crops from dying in an ongoing heat wave. Even in the Arctic Circle, temperatures soared into the 30s [above 86 degrees Fahrenheit]. The World Meteorological Organization is seeking to verify the highest-ever temperature north of the Arctic Circle since records there began, after a weather station in Siberia's Verkhoyansk recorded a 38-degree day on June 20 [over 100 degrees Fahrenheit].
In India, tens of millions of people in the northwest were affected by heat waves... And in Iraq, authorities announced a public holiday across several provinces for Thursday, including the capital Baghdad, because it was simply too hot to work or study, after temperatures surpassed 50 degrees and its electricity system collapsed.
keep listening to big oil (Score:3, Insightful)
Well keep listening to big oil see where we end up. I wish people like the Koch Brothers could be sued personally, but only their companies can.
In the 70s, even US President Carter knew about Climate change and installed Solar on the White House I think in 1978. But he was tossed out and then the idiot took over and we started doubling down on pumping CO2 into the atmosphere. The chickens have come home to roost and people are suffering. This suffering does not compare to what the young will suffer in 30 or 40 years.
If you are young, get out and vote and get your friends to do the same. Right now, looks like the small amount of forward motion the US made on Climate Change in the past 6 months will start to reverse next year unless young people get out in large numbers.
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Because solar technology in the 70s was more environmentally friendly than fossil fuels?
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It's no longer just big oil (Score:3, Informative)
Imagine how much money you could make if you control access to water....
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Money? Man if I control water, I control people. Screw money.
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Money? Man if I control water, I control people. Screw money.
And end up in the middle of the desert with a quart of motor oil in my stomach?
Doesn't really give me a measure of comfort [wikipedia.org], so no thanks.
Besides, water privatization [wikipedia.org] didn't actually go over that well in Bolivia...
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You can blame corporations, but I just burned several gallons of gas yesterday, and I'm going to burn more today. Sorry about that, but until technology gives me other options, I am not changing.
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Come on then, tell us the extreme requirements you have that absolutely could not be changed and that mandate the burning of gasoline.
For some reason the excuses seem to get ever more outlandish, as if no amount of range and no amount of high power charging will ever be enough for some people.
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Nah, I fully expect the next car I buy to be electric, just because the technology is improving so quickly.
My point wasn't about that. My point was that you can't just blame corporations and forget about the problem, we're all in this together.
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I stayed home today, no actually I had to drive a couple of miles to get water as my well has dried up 2 months early, but would have gone to town if gas wasn't C$1.76 a litre.
Also noticed all the trees are turning brown after last weeks 40C temperatures, which is scary.
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Re: keep listening to big oil (Score:3)
Jimmy Carter installed token solar cells on top of the White House to power, what, exactly? Amy's tropical fish tank? It was a token gesture taken down shortly after he left office.
George W Bush's private residence has been 'off the grid' for decades, but can't talk about that, cause, you know, he's not a democrat.
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"Get out and vote..." Meanwhile, China pollutes more than all other industrialized nations COMBINED. Appreciate the sentiment, but unless and until China curtails its own pollution, it's just pissing in the wind.
Also, where do you think those solar panels are made? China. So we should feed the polluting beast while ignoring our own natural resources, thereby hobbling our own economy. Right...
Queue the climate denialists (Score:2, Insightful)
It's Slashdot, so here comes the deluge of climate changing denialist set on destroying this planet to own the libs or something something. Don't worry, the planet will pick itself up by its bootstraps without us no doubt.
Re:Queue the climate denialists (Score:5, Insightful)
It's Slashdot, so here comes the deluge of climate changing denialist set on destroying this planet to own the libs or something something.
It's not primarily about owning the libs, that's just a means to an end. It's about older wealthy people with a vested interest in fossil fuel industry profits reaping as much as possible from the planet during their lifetimes to maximize their wealth at any cost to the planet and future generations. The "own the libs" culture war nonsense is just one of the tactics used to get voters to support this goal against their own self-interest.
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We have an unfortunate situation where a lot of people are reliant on screwing others to have a decent retirement. Property prices, oil investments, low wages, NIMBYs etc.
To make matters worse many boomers are not happy that it turns out the good times they enjoyed in their youth was all at the expense of the kids today. The climate, the economy, housing, education, national debt, they did well but screwed everyone who came after them. That's where a lot of this crap about avocados, iPhones and unrealistic
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I hope you're right about that, but I'm really afraid you're wrong. 20 years ago it might even have been mostly right. But today? Something like 20% of the population is emotionally invested in a mindset I can hardly begin to understand. It's a mix of evangelical Christianity, free market economics, bizarre conspiracy theories, and hatred of anything that could be possibly seen as liberal. With fanatical loyalty to a billionaire psychopath as their leader. Maybe it started with cynical corporations sp
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Any scientist will deny this single heat wave is "climate change" though; that's not what the phrase is referring to at all. Quit trying to pose as someone with correct view, you and those "educated" by the agenda driven hype monkeys at CNN are wrong and ignorant. This is weather, climate change is on graphs going for over a century.
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The scientists here are saying maybe, maybe not, with a good possibility of climate change making the heat worse.
Also according to the scientists, climate is closer to the last 30 years, not a hundred.
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Depends on whether the parent meant a line up or being about to speak. "Cue the climate deniers to start their rambling speech", "the queue to speak starts here"
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Climate change means more extreme weather events.
It cuts both ways (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyone claiming that they have a solution right now that isn't nuclear power, or that there is no solution, is just preying on emotion and selling you politics. The best time to build safe, reliable, and clean fission plants is 10 years ago. The next best time is today.
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I totally believe in climate change. But one thing's for sure: I won't take the climate change vaccine!
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And I bet you'd be very happy if they built it right in your back yard, to reduce the cost of transportation, right?
Re: It cuts both ways (Score:3)
I get that not everyone has a backyard that sucks and would stand to be improved w
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"Sustainable Energy Without Hot Air" (Score:3)
It's a book I recommend highly for being informative and objective.
The key takeaway from it is that energy consumption is enormous and there's no basket big enough to put all our eggs in.
I seem to remember the author found that there's not enough pressure vessel manufacturing capability to make the world's power grid as nuclearized as France's.
The closer we come to that the better, but we'll need other sources and efficiency gains too.
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But...but...Nuclear is our savior. It'll solve global warming, global cooling, and even male pattern baldness.
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Anyone claiming that they have a solution right now that isn't nuclear power
Nuclear power isn't a solution right now. If you get approval to build a plant today by the time it gets turned on the world will already be fucked. Any solution you propose that *starts* making a difference in 20 years after you've sunk $10-20bn is not a viable solution.
We absolutely should build nuclear power plants, but we also need to find a real solution to climate change in the interim.
Excep it's not Climate Change (Score:3, Informative)
"Climate Change Hits the Northern Hemisphere "
Cliff Mass is about as expert as they come in the subject of weather and climate in the pac no west:
https://cliffmass.blogspot.com... [blogspot.com]
"A number of media outlets and activists have claimed that global warming, forced by greenhouse gas emissions, is the central cause of this event.
Such claims are in contradiction to the best science, modeling, and observations. "
So shut the fuck up with CNN claiming this is climate change/global warming.
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I'd take his claims more seriously if he didn't force me to listen to his podcast.
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That's an interesting note. Did you listen to the podcast and have any details to share? Unfortunately it's hard to dig up details quickly in podcast format.
His blog notes that a special blog post will come out on Tuesday addressing this topic which will be more accessible than the podcast format.
The point is climate change (Score:2)
So technically yes, the cause of the heat wave isn't climate change. However the reason the heat wave is an emergency rather than a nuisance is very likely to be climate
It goes both ways (Score:2)
June 2020 was unusually cool and wet with snow at places like Pennask Summit in the hills west of Kelowna. That was just normal year-to-year variation, nothing out of the ordinary. Funny how that works.
The insane temperatures are over. Now we have forest fires to contend with. Nobody seems to have a clue how to handle them, either.
...laura
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Build more nuclear power plants (Score:2)
Just remember (Score:3)
there is no link between smoking cigarettes and cancer, a group of scientists agree! there is no link between fracking and earthquakes, a group of scientists agree! there is no link between fossil fuels and climate change, a group of scientists agree!
it's 120 in Vancouver, but sure, lets act like thats normal. I don't get conservatives, why are you so obsessed with defending billionaires to the point of absurdity? it won't matter how hard you pwned tha libz when we're all dead, stop pretending and grow up, help fix the problem.
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As I type this it is -3 degrees C outside (that's about 26 deg F for those living in lesser developed parts of the world).
Of course I am in New Zealand and it is now mid-winter but hey!
To be fair though, I was walking around in a teeshirt yesterday afternoon when it was unseasonably warm.
Yep, things are getting warmer for sure. The cause? Well that's likely to remain a subject of strong debate for some time to come I suspect.
Re: "The emergency " (Score:3)
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Re:"The emergency " (Score:5, Funny)
In the last 100 years we have seen higher highs not lower lows globally.
Except in Politics ...
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Potholer54 explains all this in detail with links to studies and hard data here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Spoilers: Stories of colder temperatures due to the grand solar minimum all lead back to National Enquirer level sources. It's not likely the grand solar minimum will lead to colder temperatures. Potholer54 tracks each of these stories back to their goofy sources.
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Simply not true. We are entering a solar minimum at the end of an interglacial period. Science says it will get much colder
I was told 10 years ago that this would have happened by now, but oddly it seems not to have done.
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We are entering a solar minimum at the end of an interglacial period
Interglacial periods are so long that you're guaranteed to enter many minima at the end of any of them, so your statement is trivial and uninformative. Furthermore they're so long that you can't predict when is one going to end. And even worse, in the Anthropocene, you can't even know if we haven't screwed it all up to the extent that there won't be an end to this interglacial.
Re: "The emergency " (Score:2)
In planetary terms, 100 years is a very brief period to examine.
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Weather is not climate because one is a short-term phenomenon and one is a long-term phenomenon.
So weather might not be climate, but it can become climate if it keeps happening. Extreme weather is not weather. Extreme weather happening over and over to greater measures is climate. Does that help your apparent confusion?
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It is annoying that if people question climate change when it's really cold it's "weather is not climate", but it doesn't work the other way around.
No, it's annoying when people say this when scientists are not saying this but instead drawing attention to the very clear trends.
Yes (Score:5, Insightful)
Just because we had a more pressing emergency doesn't mean the other one went away.
The entire American SW is about to run out of water you know. And we're doing fuck all about it. By the time anyone's ready to do something we'll have hundreds dying of thirst due to water rationing. Meanwhile wealthy plutocrats are buying up groundwater to sell it back to us at inflated prices while fighting against anything that might devalue that investment.
Re: Yes (Score:3, Interesting)
Child care is infrastructure and will be fully funded, it's a shame your water infrastructure issues didn't make the list...
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it's a shame your water infrastructure issues didn't make the list...
The Southwest's problems can't be fixed with infrastructure.
There just isn't enough water.
The solution is to end subsidies that encourage waste and price water properly so the market allocates it efficiently.
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As for solving the water crisis in the Southwest, do you soundization plans powered by nuclear power or massive solar arrays if you prefer. Dealing with a brine is a bit of a headache but it's not something impossible to do.
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Re:"The emergency " (Score:4, Insightful)
Now that covid is over, is this supposed to be the new emergency? The heat wave was only for a few days, and looking at temperatures, they've returned back to normal. If this heatwave was more than a few days, I would agree, but these articles are acting like the heatwave is still ongoing when it isn't.
Well the wildfires it caused are still burning and the people it killed are still dead, I'm not sure why you think we should be tossing it down the memory hole already?
Re:"The emergency " (Score:5, Insightful)
Easy, reality is currently in conflict with his political ideology, so reality must go.
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the population has finally outreached the availability of critical resources such as water. No amount of conservation or recycling will fix that fact.
They'll have to purify ocean water. If it's just for drinking, then that will be expensive but not a fundamental limitation.
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How hot for how long and how many have to die before we have to start taking it serious?
Because yes, it will happen. Just asking so I know when I should come back.
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ObXKCD: https://xkcd.com/2278/ [xkcd.com]
Re: "The emergency " (Score:3)
People have been dying in the heat in the thousands every year, for millennia, but now, while it is at its lowest point in centuries, now we have to "fix it" by "doing something".
This is not a new problem, and it is far from its historical high point.
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People have been dying in the heat in the thousands every year, for millennia, but now
People died of infectious diseases a lot in the past too, so I presume that fighting infectious diseases is not something we should continue with?
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It's a historical high point here, at that I don't think anyone has died of the heat here before, though I'm probably wrong. Close to 500 unexplained deaths over the weekend, about 3 times normal so over 300 lives lost due to the fucking heat that you shrug off.
This is a new problem here and a historical high point. Now I see the trees are dying, dead cedars, brown hemlocks, which I've never seen here where usually we get well over a hundred inches of rain a year and when and if they catch fire, there's goi
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Hey, I sure as all hell won't mind. I'll be dead before this planet is no longer inhabitable and I don't have kids.
Dunno how people who have kids justify it, but I'm doing allright.
Re:"The emergency " (Score:4, Interesting)
I think you underestimate the level of intentional control humans have over the weather. Worth a look: https://www.geoengineeringwatc... [geoengineeringwatch.org]
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The heat wave was only for a few days, and looking at temperatures, they've returned back to normal. If this heatwave was more than a few days, I would agree, but these articles are acting like the heatwave is still ongoing when it isn't.
*looks at calendar*
Yup. It's still summer season. While temperatures may be down from the recent peaks, it doesn't mean there can't or won't be more heatwaves.
Scientists have warned for decades that climate change will make heat waves more frequent and more intense.
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Re:"The emergency " (Score:5, Interesting)
700 people *died* during this heat wave (just so far). In addition, one entire BC town was burned to the ground.
and Covid is no where near over.
You know that condominium collapse everyone is so excited about? It's between 24 and 150 dead.
Over 300 people die from covid every day in the U.S.; over 53,000 died globally in the last week. The number of cases globaly increased by 3% over the last week. The number of cases in the U.S. increased by 7% over the last week.
It's like 2 to 10 condominium collapses every day. And in 3 weeks, based on the new cases today, deaths will start increasing again.
But death is just a small part. A University of Utah study showed that 30% of young athletes had developed permanent cellular heart damage after mild cases of covid19 and 15% more had developed myocarditis. The normal background rate for myocarditis in that age range is about 20/100,000 not 15,000/100,000.
And that doesn't go into the expensive hospital stays (even after a special bill to reduce hospital costs and insurance it can run to 5 or even 6 figures) which will block spending on other items (like TV's, cars, houses) for months to years. Nor the 25% of covid patients who develop long term symptoms. Those who develop diabetes. Those who have toes, fingers, feet, and legs amputated (woo hoo, they didn't die!)
The new delta variant is over 100% more infectious. In Australia, they have documented cases of people simply walking past each other in a hallway and infecting each other. It was less than 10 seconds exposure. They also think the delta variant is infectious enough to spread outdoors at ranges over 6'. It also lacks some of the easy to detect symptoms like anosmia that other variants have.
We are very far from "covid is over". More like the 6th inning. But this one may very well go into overtime. And if it becomes seasonal, contemplate a seasonal cold that dues more and more permanent damage to your heart every time you get it. Potentially taking about a month off your lifespan each time you catch it. It could both shorten your total life span by six months and also end your active lifespan (sports, physical activities) several years sooner.
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Now that covid is over, is this supposed to be the new emergency?
COVID isn't over. But maybe we can add a new emergency to the list: Lack of education leading to people only able to care about one thing at a time.
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Hey! The world deserves its very own Mississippi!
If we can't point to a fairly big country and say "well, at least we're not as bad as THEM!" we'd actually have to start improving ourselves.
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It's ok, God believes in science.
The problem with MTG is that she's too rich. Rich enough to buy a legislative seat in a district she doesn't even live in (remember when people bitched that Hillary shouldn't be considered a New Yorker?). And rich enough to get away with being an idiot because few people correct you when you have a lot of money and want to spend it. And followers who think "she's rich, that means she must be a great expert on the economy, and probably knows more than we do as well!"
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Margorie Taylor Green will dismiss it because she does not believe in Science but in God.
That's not entirely true; she believes in Jewish Space Lasers -- which is... science-y. :-) ...)
(The lasers are probably what's causing all the heat
Re: Meanwhile... (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember when everyone else was mocking Texas for not building its power grid to handle the once-a-century cold weather earlier this year? So question, "When will we mock NYC for not building its power grid to handle a little heat?"
residents in New York City were told not to use high-energy appliances, like washers and dryers â" and painfully, even their air conditioners â" for the sake of the power grid.
NYC has a history of blackouts during heatwaves -why do they refuse to build a proper power grid to handle the heat waves the city experiences?
Once in a century? (Score:5, Informative)
How about three times since 1989? You're so full of shit. https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
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NY's problem is they just closed a quarter of the state's energy supply [eia.gov], replacing a nuclear plant with fossil fuels for "environmental" reasons. Two months later, they couldn't even find enough fossil fuel capacity to operate the grid so they had to beg people to use less electricity...
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Remember when everyone else was mocking Texas for not building its power grid to handle the once-a-century cold weather earlier this year? So question, "When will we mock NYC for not building its power grid to handle a little heat?"
1) The differences are Texas has disconnected itself from the rest of the grid under the guise of free market "freedom" and was warned ten years earlier that a major winter storm would cripple their grid. And Texas did nothing.
2) You are aware that the Texas power outages are expected to summer [forbes.com] due to "a little heat"? Let me state that again: Texas power outages likely this summer due to heat. Heat in Texas is a common thing that should be expected every summer.
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They do. All they need is remote load control switches so that the washers and dryers can be turned off automatically when the morons decide to use them on the hottest days.
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Why is it wrong to tell NYC residents to not use high-energy appliances during a heat wave but okay to tell Texas residents to not use high energy appliances during a heat wave?
"As temperatures rise to unseasonably warm levels across Texas this week, its citizens are being asked to use less energy on basics like cooking and washing clothes to ease strain on the state’s power grid that is struggling to generate enough electricity to cope with the high temperatures."
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
Re: Meanwhile... (Score:5, Insightful)
If there is no God then there is no objective reality
That makes absolutely no sense.
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It does if you're some kind of sociopath held in check only by the belief of inescapable punishment.
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Re: Meanwhile... (Score:5, Insightful)
If you don't believe in God then how do you decide who is right or wrong? You need a "god", who has never been observed or witnessed telling anyone anything, to tell you right from wrong? Because you can't work that out for yourself? Sad.
Re: Meanwhile... (Score:4, Insightful)
If you do believe in God, then how do you know who is right or wrong? What God tells you? What if person A says person B is wrong because God said so, and person B says that person A is wrong, because God says so? This is not a hypothetical, this is how wars start. Many seem to think that God speaks to them directly, clearly, and unambiguously, but everyone else is mistaken when they say God speaks to them.
Instead what is happening is that if you think you hear a voice in your head that is what you are preconceived to believe is true, then it's easy to assume it must be God speaking. But if you hear a voice in your head that says something different (such as it is ok to vote for a liberal) then clearly it's from Satan. Confirmation bias. Really needs to have a still small voice that says "use your brain for once, you can figure out right and wrong by yourself."
Re: Meanwhile... (Score:5, Insightful)
With no God, what is the difference between right and wrong? Please tell us. With objective reality and no God, there is no rule book so anything goes and there right/wrong doesn't exist
So the only reason you don't do evil stuff is because it would disappoint your god?
Not just because you can see it's inherently wrong?
Without your faith, you'd be out there raping and pillaging. All manner of depravity. Murdering anyone who looked at you funny.
You'd probably stoop so low as to wearing wool and linen fabrics in the one garment.
Let's hope people like you keep their faith.
But for civilized people it's unnecessary.
Re:Manufactured Crises (Score:5, Insightful)
Wind farms alter air currents and shift weather systems.
Not in any meaningful way, no.
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Just because "Wind farms alter air currents and shift weather systems." is untrue (and stupid) doesn't mean they won't keep saying it, because as they've discovered, if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes accepted as fact.
Wikipedia explains pretty well how little respect their leaders have for them. [wikipedia.org]
Re:Manufactured Crises (Score:4, Interesting)
Windfarms are good at blowing alternative facts around.
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You claim to be a Canuck and can't correctly spell tyres?
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I remember when Algore, among others started all of this man made global warming crap
Who is Algore? Was he around in 1896?
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Of course. Exactly the sort of weather that would have been extraordinarily unlikely without climate change, and that scientists have been telling us for years would become more common with climate change.
On the other hand, increasing average global temperatures [nasa.gov] are climate, not weather. It's fine to say, "We should look at climate, not weather." But then you need to actually look at the climate.