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Credit Suisse, the Risk-Taking Swiss Banking Giant, Succumbs To Crisis (wsj.com) 59

Credit Suisse, the Swiss banking giant that liked to live dangerously, has run out of road. From a report: The bank struck a deal this weekend to be bought by rival UBS Group after an uncontrolled slide in its stock and bonds. The agreement marks the end of 167 years as an independent institution, a humbling comedown for a bank that once went toe-to-toe with U.S. giants on Wall Street and boasted a market value greater than that of Goldman Sachs Group. The bank's downfall has roots in the way it exited the last financial crisis flush with confidence.

When the financial system seized up in 2008, Credit Suisse emerged in better shape than many rivals. It was then slow to adjust to how the crisis changed banking. The lender relied on a freewheeling investment bank, dawdled in its pivot to more stable lines of business and above all failed to shake its predilection for risk. "They felt, 'We are the winner from the financial crisis, and everyone else is hurt,''' said Andreas Venditti, a banking analyst at Vontobel. "So they doubled down on these kinds of businesses and on investment-banking exposure in general." The result was 15 years of scandal, litigation and strategic zigzags while other major banks became more focused, more regulated and more free of drama. A spying imbroglio, a $5.5 billion loss on a single client, executive turnover, fines in connection with tax and sanctions evasion and a fraud settlement over Mozambican loan sales weakened the bank financially while eroding the confidence of investors.

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Credit Suisse, the Risk-Taking Swiss Banking Giant, Succumbs To Crisis

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  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:44AM (#63385117)

    Surely this is the last of one-off failures of banks! Nothing more can go wrong from this point on.

  • by Ed Tice ( 3732157 ) on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:48AM (#63385145)
    This is what happens when ownership and control are separated. You can be sure that shareholders would not have voted for many of the decisions that the bank made. But when an executive team is tasked with juicing the numbers they will take insane risks since they are thinking only about their personal well-being. Astonishingly many people see this as a positive part of the free market. Makes me shake my head.
    • I don't think that you're wrong about the executives not acting as they would have if they had more skin in the game, but it's worth pointing out that many of Credit Suisse's bondholders are being wiped out, while equity holders are at least getting $1/share. It boggles my mind why shareholders should receive compensation before debtholders. Shareholders should be ecstatic that they get anything at this point. UBS apparently insisted on the government taking responsibility for future litigation costs bec

    • the major shareholders know there's no risk to them. They'll either unload the bad assets onto public pensions or get a bail out because they're too big to fail. The smaller shareholders don't have the voting power to do anything about it.

      This isn't something you can solve with raw capitalism, it requires laws that stop banks & Wall Street (and the Swiss equivalent) from gambling with our lives.
      • We had such a thing up until 1999. Now, I wonder who it was that got rid of Glass-Stegal? I remember who it was, and the fallout, and why I consider that family to be commie traitors to this country.

        You keep haranguing about Frank-Dodd, but in retrospect, losing Glass-Steagal was the far worse damage.

        But do go ahead, blame everyone and anything except yourselves, for your continual collective insistence on voting in traitors into our government. Keep voting with bleeding heart instead of cold, hard thoug

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          We had such a thing up until 1999. Now, I wonder who it was that got rid of Glass-Stegal? I remember who it was, and the fallout, and why I consider that family to be commie traitors to this country.

          I guess you had to avoid naming that act. It is Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Named for its three Republican sponsors. It passed the senate with 92% of the votes. It passed the house with 86% of the votes. Yet, you blame Clinton for it. Insane.

          • Yeah. The democrats of 1999 were not nearly as left leaning as they are today. It was a dumb decision and everyone voting for it should be blamed. But you can't blame that on voting with feels, that was a vote on greed. And greed won.
        • Re:Wouldn't they? (Score:5, Informative)

          by Duhavid ( 677874 ) on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:34PM (#63385515)

          I am starting from the assumption that you are making an anti-Clinton, anti-Democrat post.
          Further, I am assuming you are referencing the "Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act".
          If I am wrong, please forgive me.

          The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act was indeed signed into law by President Clinton.
          So, you can be anti-Clinton, if you like. What I find funny is the reference to that family being "commie traitors".
          President Clinton made a number of decisions that appear to be to be pretty conservative.
          But perhaps you know something I dont.

          Moving on.

          The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act was introduced by
              Senator Phil Gramm, Republican of Texas
              Representative Jim Leach, Republican of Iowa
              Representative Thomas Bliley, Republican of Virginia

          Notably, Representative John Dingle, Democrat of Michigan, during debate on this act said that banks would become too big to fail.
          Initial voting in the House was "bipartisan" with Republicans splitting 205 to 16 against, Democrats splitting 138 to 69 against.
          Initial voting in the Senate was not bipartisan, all Republicans voted for it, along with 1 Democrat. The rest of the Democrats voted against.
          Reconciliation work purchased Democrat support by adding privacy and anti-red-lining provisions.

          So, I am not seeing the justification for a specifically anti-Democrat position.

          • by shmlco ( 594907 )

            Don't you understand? Facts have no part in the narrative.

            • by Duhavid ( 677874 )

              I guess I dont.

              Im not sure how Republicans went from "You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts" to Alternative Facts all the time, everywhere.

              I can see that they have, and I get why [ power, making liberals cry ].
              I guess I took them at their word that they stood for truth and honor.

        • Did Glass-Seagal regulate Swiss banks losing money on bad bets in Mozambique?

      • by ftobin ( 48814 )

        How are you accounting for the CS shareholders actually getting virtually wiped out? Small and large. CS management was definitely not happy with the buyout pricing.

      • Doesn't look like anyone is getting a bailout here. Credit Suisse is being bought out by a competitor at a discount.

    • by mbkennel ( 97636 )

      > This is what happens when ownership and control are separated.

      Until the 1990's, large investment banks were usually partnerships personally owned by the top executives and retired ones, sometimes with unlimited personal liability. And from 1933 to then, they did not blow up, and neither did the commercial banks, until 1980's deregulation.

    • If you really want to shake your head, look at the USA. Bank executives can take huge risks or just be incompetent, if they win, they get rewarded, if they miss, the government will come bail everyone out - a good recent example is Silicon Valley Bank.
    • "You can be sure that shareholders would not have voted for many of the decisions that the bank made."

      The holders of enough shares to make a difference *absolutely want those high risk decisions*. They are diversified against the losses, so they can tolerate greater risks in each individual investment as long as they are uncorrelated.

      This is why they give executives "golden parachutes": executives are NOT diversified in their employment, having only one job at a time, so they need to be incentivized the aga

      • I don't agree with you here. High-risk investments have their place. But those should be made with leveraged money. Shares in a large bank are used as a conservative investment.
  • Swiss here... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:51AM (#63385169) Homepage

    Lots of people here don't understand why the government got involved. It was the government that brokered a deal, because Credit Suisse was "too big to fail". So now we have one colossus bank - UBS - that represents a really dangerous single point of failure. One hopes that, after UBS has digested this minor little acquisition, the government will force them to divest. One hopes, but there is a saying in German that "hope is the last thing to die..."

    Credit Suisse was badly managed for a long time. They did dirty tax business. They pissed off lots of their local retail customers. They took unwarranted risks in their investment banking. They have been screwing up for years. Of course, the people really responsible - the board of directors and all of the previous and current C-Suite occupants - will still collect their money and bonuses, go quiet for a few months, then move on to some other bank. Business as usual.

    • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

      Also Swiss. Frankly I think what is happening would be propper comeuppenance if it weren't for the fact that the tax payers will get to foot the bill one way or another.

      I think they should have split the thing and gifted the parts to the canton banks.

  • by bubblyceiling ( 7940768 ) on Monday March 20, 2023 @12:21PM (#63385279)
    Investment banking should not be mixed in with retail banking. Glass Steagal should never have been repealed
    • Can we get an idiots guide to what "investment banking" is?

      • by mbkennel ( 97636 ) on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:06PM (#63385425)

        Investment bank:

        Underwriting stock and bond offerings to corporations. (meaning hiring the lawyers to write the lawyer stuff, and hawking the products)
        Mergers and Acquisitions.
        Market makers for bonds.
        Currency trading for speculation which goes along with bond trading (as FX rates highly depend on interest rate changes).
        Lending large amounts to corporations and governments.
        Sponsoring investment funds.
        Lending money to hedge funds, and supposedly margin calling them before they blow up.
        Direct bidding on government debt auctions.

        What commercial banks typically handle:

        Personal and smaller corporate cash management & payroll.
        Real estate mortgages
        Consumer lending
        FX exchange for actual foreign cash transactions

        What investment and commercial banks handle:
        Institutional real estate lending

        The largest bank is JP Morgan Chase. JP Morgan is the investment banking side, and Chase is the commercial banking side.

    • Uh, how would the US "Glass-Steagal" law apply to a SWISS bank?

      (I take no position on whether Glass-Steagal was A Good Thing or A Bad Thing. I just don't think it's binding on non-US firms, and how it would apply to multi-national banks that do business with a US subsidiary is unclear to me.)

      • Uh, how would the US "Glass-Steagal" law apply to a SWISS bank?

        Well, it was the repeal of Glass-Steagal that caused the 2008 crisis and literally birthed the concept of Too Big To Fail, which is now a term used in TFS describing exactly the copycat behavior of a multi-national bank.

        One would hope that bringing back common sense laws like Glass-Steagal would actually prevent anyone else (including multi-national banks) from abusing the "too big to fail" bullshit excuse ever again. Out of shame, legal repercussion, or both.

        • Obviously these bank execs have no shame. Glass-Steagal won't affect the new bloated UBS, HSBC, or their ilk.

      • by Corbets ( 169101 )

        You might be surprised at the extra-territorial elements of US law then (FATCA, anyone?).

        But nonetheless, since Credit Suisse merged with First Boston many years ago, a good chunk of the bank has been located in the US and subject to US law. Mostly investment banking.

  • Bad management wrecked the company, so they had to sell it to someone who had enough money to bail it out.
  • "When the financial system seized up in 2008, Credit Suisse emerged in better shape than many rivals. It was then slow to adjust to how the crisis changed banking..."

    It's now 2023. Banks are already failing and those that have failed have already been deemed Too Big To Fail. Many more are at risk of collapsing, which would likely create another "seized up" event.

    What exactly has "changed" in banking as we sit here watching the fucking sequel? Do tell.

    • I think you're getting ahead of things.

      If bad banks fail and are replaced by new ones that are better, and the fallout lands mostly on their investors, than that's good.

      If bad banks fail and are rolled into banks that are run somewhat better, that's moderately good, but if no new banks are founded in the next economic upswing, that means we're headed in a towards monopoly long-term which is bad. (And I think this is the situation).

      If enough banks fail to destabilize the whole system, that's very bad,

    • Credit Suisse wasn't subject to Frank-Dodd Act -- that's a US law. That law is a major change. Most people believe that if Dodd-Frank hadn't been removed from the mid-size banks in the USA, we wouldn't have the Silicon Valley failure. So, yes, there has been a major change, and the large US banks are deeply regulated and appear to be exactly as stable as we hope they would be. It would be nice if our European partners in the banking system followed suit. And perhaps Congress will restore Dodd-Frank to the m

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