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Twitter Starts Sharing Ad Revenue With Verified Creators (techcrunch.com) 62

Twitter has started sending out the first payouts to creators on the platform who are part of the company's revenue sharing program. The largest payout reported thus far was to Billy Markus, the co-creator of the Dogecoin cryptocurrency, which amounted to a whopping $37,050. TechCrunch reports: Users who subscribe to Twitter Blue and have earned more than 5 million tweet impressions each month for the last 3 months are eligible to join. According to owner Elon Musk, the first round of creator payouts will total $5 million, and will be cumulative from the month of February onward. These payouts will be delivered via Stripe. [...] Twitter's payouts are determined by tweet impressions. Babylon Bee writer Ashley St. Clair (710,000 followers) said that she earned $7,153, and according to her "napkin math," she had around 840 million impressions from February through July. That would make her rate about $0.0085 CPM (cost per mille), or $8.52 per million impressions. It's not clear whether or not individual CPMs change from user to user.
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Twitter Starts Sharing Ad Revenue With Verified Creators

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  • Ok the debt Musk saddled them with, and that was before Facebook ate their lunch. How the heck are they gonna afford this?
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I like when people bet against Elon. Always fun to watch them get smoked.
      • Me too! :D

    • It is ad revenue sharing, so it reduces their profits but doesnâ(TM)t impact their debt, they are not paying creators out of pocket. It is a way of attracting creators away from the only other platform, YouTube which does ad revenue sharing, which if they successfully get people leaving YouTube because of their reduced ad sharing revenues, Twitter hopes will lead to overall better ad revenue.

      YouTube is the only profitable social media platform because of what used to be a generous revenue sharing model

      • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:39PM (#63684073)

        so it reduces their profits

        What profits? Twitter is still losing money. In fact, ad spending has plummeted 54% [thestreet.com] in the past year. Ex-employees have filed a lawsuit for $550 million [reuters.com] in severance they were promised. This is on top of the multiple lawsuits [cnbc.com] Twitter faces for not paying its bills [reuters.com].

        Still further, Twitter is now worth, maybe, one third [time.com] the $44 billion Musk paid for it.

        What are these "profits" you speak of?

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Musk is trying to turn this around by encouraging popular accounts to shitpost as much as possible, to increase engagement.

          Meanwhile people are auto-blocking such accounts with extensions like BlueBlocker, and advertisers won't be interested in clicks if they are appearing along side all the previously banned extremist accounts.

          • Twitter is still not allowing non-registered people to view posts, despite their claim. Those dozen accounts I visited to keep abreast of Ukraine still won't let me in.

            Either that or the Russian agent is deliberately blocking those accounts because I can see an individual post from other accounts, but I cannot see any responses.

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              It's the same for me from the UK. Can't view tweets without being logged in.

              Occasionally I follow a link and it works. Seems to depend on the link maybe.

        • >54%

          Where's the data? You've cited a headline, with an article that cites a link to a splash page for a payment automation company.
      • If the figures for CPM is somewhat correct it's a pittance compared to what you get on Youtube where the CPM starts at about $1. I doubt that kind of ad-share is going to drive creators from YT to Twitter in meaningful numbers but posting shit on Twitter is far easier and faster than producing videos for YT so a comparable CPM for Twitter is always going to be lower. Dunno what the conversion-factor is but I'm sure someone will come up with one shortly so a correct comparison can be done on the CPM.

        • How may Youtube creators publish several videos a day, though? It's quite different to pay someone for a paragraph than to pay them for a 15 minute edited video.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Conversion factor is what percentage of ads lead to a sale.

          The issue with Twitter is that to share YouTube content you really need to pay the $8 for Twitter Blue, otherwise the limit on video length is quite short.

          $8 might not sound like a lot, but aside from deterring casual/small posters, having that blue checkmark is likely to get you blocked by other users, or at least mocked. Blue checks are toxic.

    • by Reeses ( 5069 )

      Simple.

      Now that word that you can make money on Twitter is out, people are gonna flood the blue checks. Then the activity's going to explode. Then Twitter's going to take those numbers to the advertisers and a) tell them it's safe and b) hike rates, because traffic is high.

      And there you go. Of course, we won't talk about how all of this is going to pervert the quality of content on the site. But that's a conversation for a future day.

    • They cant afford it, they know it and they are not really going to do it.

      They will use this pretext to give money to the cronies of Musk. They are hoping more lunatic right will create super duper content and create enough of a splash for 2024 election.

      But, more established influencers are going to be pissed off. Left and center people will stop giving twitter clicks to deny ad stream for the fascists. So long before 2024 Twitter might just crash.

    • It looks like they only share revenue with select hand-picked influencers that generate revenue with them. Not all verified users. https://www.techdirt.com/2023/... [techdirt.com]
  • by nocoiner ( 7891194 ) on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:37PM (#63684069)

    With the way things are going with Twitter (can they even cover their interest payments??), it's likely to only go downhill from here.

  • A foolishly annoying person. Need I say more?

  • Elon is so generous he can't afford to pay his landlords, employees, ex-employees, or vendors.

    Perhaps instead of "Stripe" (not a real payment method in 2023) he'll just ship a bunch of pennies he's collected on the street in a large unmarked van.

    Down by the river.

  • Rent (Score:4, Funny)

    by kyoko21 ( 198413 ) on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:56PM (#63684117)

    Maybe Twitter ought to pay their rent and their various financial obligations first...

  • I suspect the main motive here is to pull back celebrities and reporters with the promise of some cash.

    Still, I wonder how many accounts actually achieve that threshold to start earning money.

    • They clearly prefer Twitter and have the followers. [twitter.com] Even without a blue check.

      Anas Haqqani
      @AnasHaqqani313
      Twitter has two important advantages over other social media platforms.
      The first privilege is the freedom of speech. The second privilege is the public nature & credibility of Twitter. Twitter doesn't have an intolerant policy like Meta. Other platforms cannot replace it.

      It's a win-win-win situation.
      AK-47S FOR EVERYONE!

  • Many other sites already offer some payback to creators, it's incredible to see Twitter making this happen. It's a big reason why YouTube was successful and this can only be good for Twitter and Twitter users.
  • by AlanObject ( 3603453 ) on Thursday July 13, 2023 @08:45PM (#63684243)

    I know the usual mode of "analysis" around here is to either idolize or vilify Elon Musk and then cherry-pick whatever facts that can be written up to support that worldview.

    Speaking as someone who appreciates his accomplishments I could never figure out from the get-go why he wanted to get involved with, much less buy, Twitter. To me it looked like that the employees at SpaceX and Tesla locked him out of the office so he was looking for something to do.

    Unlike must other people I never expected him to turn Twitter into some sort of glowing, instant success simply because of his wealth and Musk brilliance or whatever. It was a dumb toy site that started out as some sort of community SMS repeater and a very marginal business proposition. Anyone who thought he was going to just settle for little incremental changes here and there is simply not paying attention to his record.

    He doesn't give a damn about risk. He doesn't give a damn about how you think you would do it. He was going to disrupt. He was going to let a lot of rockets blow up before his team learned how to make one. And that is what he did with Twitter. All the derision and naysaying is something he has disregarded before and he is doing it again.

    What this news shows is that he has, at some point in the past, realized that in order to make Twitter a success you have to have attractive content. And to have attractive content you have to have paid content creators. To have paid content creators you have to pay them, regardless of whether you are making a profit at the moment or not. All the sneering about Twitter not making a profit at this point (as if it ever did) is irrelevant and off the mark. He is literally billions of times better off now than when he was trying to make the numbers with the Model 3 and he had no problem committing his last bit of wealth then. Now would be so much easier.

    Will it work? Maybe. Blowing up a lot of rockets seems to have worked for SpaceX. Regardless, no matter how he got here I don't see any other option going forward.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      As someone who thinks Elon is a fool. This is not a bad move. In fact this is a good move. It will encourage those creators to drive engagement on the platform which long run will boost twitters revenue. The problem is it is the first good move he has made. All of his other moves have devastated twitter as a platform. If he had opened up with this first he would be well on his way to building twitter into a profitable business. I think it's too late now.

      It also feels completely orthogonal to his goal of tu

    • by mobby_6kl ( 668092 ) on Friday July 14, 2023 @03:49AM (#63684843)

      Speaking as someone who appreciates his accomplishments I could never figure out from the get-go why he wanted to get involved with, much less buy, Twitter. To me it looked like that the employees at SpaceX and Tesla locked him out of the office so he was looking for something to do.

      He wanted to un-ban Babylon bee and libsoftiktok

    • Speaking as someone who appreciates his accomplishments I could never figure out from the get-go why he wanted to get involved with, much less buy, Twitter.

      He bought it because he's been trending alt-right for years, and for years Conservatives were complaining about censorship by the social media platforms.

      Musk was literally the only guy rich enough to independently buy Twitter, the cheapest social media platform.

      And he did it because he got caught up by the Conservative censorship narrative and wanted to play the hero.

      Unlike must other people I never expected him to turn Twitter into some sort of glowing, instant success simply because of his wealth and Musk brilliance or whatever. It was a dumb toy site that started out as some sort of community SMS repeater and a very marginal business proposition. Anyone who thought he was going to just settle for little incremental changes here and there is simply not paying attention to his record.

      I don't think he had a plan for significant changes other than this vague idea of a WeChat clone (be the everything app). The problem is that

      • Virtual upvote. All your points are spot on.

        And he did it because he got caught up by the Conservative censorship narrative and wanted to play the hero.

        I would really really like to get him a back room somewhere and tied to a chair and slap the truth out of him over that. I get that one of his strengths is his nearly invincible naïveté balanced against his ability to learn critical stuff. But that seems to extend only to engineering/business issues and nothing else. Does he really think that right-wing ideology is what the country or the world needs to be ascendant right now?

        There is simply no wa

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      Speaking as someone who appreciates his accomplishments I could never figure out from the get-go why he wanted to get involved with, much less buy, Twitter. To me it looked like that the employees at SpaceX and Tesla locked him out of the office so he was looking for something to do.

      Basically Musk is an idiot who's rich. He's neither skilled nor smart. He got lucky by getting in early on the digital payments game by creating Paypal knowing people being able to send money via credit cards was going to be bi

  • Elon knows a lot of people will copy stuff from other sources and put it on Twitter as their own due to this incentive.

  • On Youtube, I tend to make around $3-5 per thousand with no midrolls normally and with 1 midroll around Christmas closer to $10+ per thousand BUT it takes me 4 hours to a month to make 1 video.
  • by awwshit ( 6214476 ) on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:10AM (#63685413)

    Time to start buying users because the platform is dead without them.

  • Here's an interesting question.

    Is there any filtering of the paid users going on beyond Twitter Blue + impressions?

    Because if there isn't, then he's probably paying some terrorism promoters and the like (basically, people just on the right side of a ban).

    And if there is, then a rapist and human trafficker got himself on the white list [independent.co.uk].

    • And if there is, then a rapist and human trafficker got himself on the white list

      The last I heard, he hadn't been charged, let alone tried and convicted. At this point, it's wise to use the word "alleged" to avoid opening yourself up to a potential lawsuit for defamation.

      • And if there is, then a rapist and human trafficker got himself on the white list

        The last I heard, he hadn't been charged, let alone tried and convicted. At this point, it's wise to use the word "alleged" to avoid opening yourself up to a potential lawsuit for defamation.

        They were definitely indicted [ctvnews.ca].

        At this point I'll take my chances since they seem to be more occupied with suing their victims.

        In the broader picture, if they reviewed the list of creators getting money, then including Tate is a very strange choice.

        If they didn't then Twitter is probably sending cheques to terrorist recruiters for promoting terrorism.

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