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Netflix Raises Prices As Password Boost Fades (bbc.com) 40

Netflix has begun raising prices in several countries, including Japan, parts of Europe, and Africa, as it seeks to sustain growth following its crackdown on password sharing. While its recent financial results show strong revenue growth, the company faces challenges in finding new subscribers and aims to boost future growth through advertising and fresh content. The BBC reports: In its latest results, Netflix announced that it had added 5.1 million subscribers between July and September - ahead of forecasts but the smallest gain in more than a year. The company is under pressure to show investors what will power growth in the years ahead, as its already massive reach makes finding new subscribers more difficult. The last time Netflix saw signs of slowdown, in 2022, it launched measures to stop password sharing and said it would offer a new streaming option with advertisements.

The crackdown unleashed a new wave of growth. The firm has added more than 45 million new members since last year and has 282 million subscribers globally. Analysts also expect advertisements to eventually become big business for Netflix. For now, however, Netflix has said it remains "early days" and warned it did not expect it to start driving growth until next year, despite many subscribers opting for the ad-supported plan. The plan, which is the company's least expensive option, accounted for 50% of new sign-ups in the places where it is offered in the most recent quarter, Netflix said. Even without a boost from advertising, Netflix said revenue in the July-September period was up 15% compared with the same period last year, to more than $9.8 billion. Profit also rose from $1.6 billion in the same period last year to $2.3 billion.

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Netflix Raises Prices As Password Boost Fades

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  • by turp182 ( 1020263 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:18PM (#64875717) Journal

    They are pricing for the "steamer hopping" crowd.

    Maybe they expect a subscriber for six months out of a year. Or three.

    There isn't an expectation of a constant subscription any longer, and the efforts to be unsubscribing easier will only contribute to this.

    Sports is what will tie people to a service (for part of the year). Sports is actually what drove me to use an over-the-air antenna for live TV (which took me back to the 1980s, having to fiddle with the antenna, no pause or recording, not even a VCR!).

    Prime is a completely different beast (their channel subscription is the envy of the industry no doubt, even Apple just "subscribed" to that). PlutoTV is the long tail (an idea I had a while back but no ability to realize).

    • by jhoegl ( 638955 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:25PM (#64875739)
      THe more these services force ads, the less Ill be inclined to use their services.
    • Your decree that "Sports is what will tie people to a service" is only partially true. I have no interest in sports. What ties me to a service is access to 2 specific shows: Jeopardy and Doctor Who. I can pirate the Doctor if I must, but Jeopardy is well nigh impossible to get, especially the live-stream. I'm sure other people have other shows they want. The trick for netflix and other services is predicting the audience well enough to guide the next few years' investments into shows and movie rights.
      • You might want to be careful about watching pirated shows on a copilot enabled Windows PC. It's only a matter of time until the Recall feature automatically reports screen captures from your desktop if one of your apps displays a Netflix movie frame.
        • Anything which blocks screen capture doesn't get captured. KeePassXC has this protection on by default, for example. Would be easy to add it to VLC with the justification of using it to have "invisible preview windows for livestreams" in the same way we use BitTorrent to download rare Linux ISOs
    • by leonbev ( 111395 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:45PM (#64875787) Journal

      The real problem is that there isn't enough new quality content every month to warrant keeping a subscription running year long.

      I haven't had a Netflix subscription for well over a year now, and I'd imagine that I could probably catch up on the shows I was interested in after just a week of binge watching.

      • The real problem is that there isn't enough new quality content every month to warrant keeping a subscription running year long.

        Ding ding ding! Winner winner chicken dinner!

        We kept Netflix around, year-round, for quite a few years. But they kept losing (intentionally or not) much of their worthwhile third-party content, and their own "Originals" were mostly uninteresting lowest-common-denominator pablum. AND their prices kept going up! So now they're just part of the churn - subscribe for a couple months, watch the new episodes of what few things they carry and we care about, then unsubscribe again.

      • The real problem is that there isn't enough new quality content every month to warrant keeping a subscription running year long.

        I haven't had a Netflix subscription for well over a year now, and I'd imagine that I could probably catch up on the shows I was interested in after just a week of binge watching.

        A market analyst at Citi stated on Yahoo Finance (on 18-Oct-2024 during a YF morning show) that Netflix has at least 4 issues that bother the larger investment community:

        - Large investment fund analysts see Netflix as a 2nd tier ("it sucks less than the rest of it's sector") alternative to the top tier Mag-7 stocks in the markets, yet Netflix financials ("the fundamentals") don't back up their stock performance.

        - Some "market makers" are now spouting price & earnings targets for Netflix that are way out

        • I've been watching a lot of Peacock material while I've been off the last couple of weeks. They want to charge $7.99/mo but blast into your programs with ads. Unfortunately the ads are repetitive and largely irrelevant. If I'm not going to buy Crest Whitening Strips after seeing their inane commercial once or twice, why the hell would I buy it when you saturate me with ads for it every damned commercial break for hours? That's more likely to get me NOT to buy it, much like the "Kars 4 Kids" commercials make

          • I don't know how the market can start to reduce the enshittification. I think we're all too far gone and are driving into the mouth of a bad dystopian novel.

            I think there are 3 problems to be addressed:

            - There are WAAY TOOO MANY streaming services out there, all competing for the same "eyeballs", content, and ad revenue.

            - Lack of Perceived Ad Value = Advertisers are questioning "the value proposition" of placing ads with all these different streaming services, so ad supply is artificially restricted by the ad suppliers and leads to duplicative ad 'hits' that you see.

            - Lack of Viewer Interest In Content Catalog = Many streaming services are no longer showing con

    • I have streamed all sports for free for over 10 years now from different internet sites. That broke me free from DishTV or any pay for provider ! I still subscribe to Netflix as I can find content I watch.
  • by ebunga ( 95613 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:21PM (#64875725)

    Once you hit that point, there is no more growth. You can do things that look like growth, such as buying another company, but that's still not real growth. You have reached maturity. Your growth phase is complete. Adjusting prices to maintain acceptable profitability is the way forward. I mean, I guess they could do things to encourage population growth, but that's a long term strategy and not something that's a good fit for quarterly jackpot-oriented investors.

    • Burn Netflix to the ground and sell the assets to three or four new startups that can actually grow for a few years, merge and consolidate, and then end up with one single The New AT&T, err Netflix. Wash, rinse, repeat in perpetuity.

      • When there are several separate streaming providers, they all have different content, so it is a big hassle of account-hopping to find what you want.

        When there is one big streaming provider, the price is way too high and the content providers get way too little of that money, as it all goes into the administration of the big streamer.

        If we want an actually good system, we are going to need a different model. Something where the available content is all the same regardless of what provider you use, so they

        • It seems the the current American way of thinking when it comes to business is rather broken, and it's obvious across a vast array of products and services. It's like nothing ever seems quite right and leaves a lot to be desired. This varies quite a bit between products/services but it's omnipresent.
          • That's because to an American, A business is their kingdom. It's the thing that makes them relevant to society, and gives them power over others. Often to the point of absolute power due to the lack of regulations and a willingness of the government to accept bribes. (Disney's contemplation over whether or not to allow the commoners to sue them for murder is just a recent example of their ridiculous power over the lives of Americans.)

            Like all despots, they'll do what ever it takes to maintain that relevan
    • by dvice ( 6309704 )

      Company could simply start selling something else to continue grow.

    • Exactly.

      Also, as Adam Conover (yeah, that Adam from "Adam Ruins Everything", he's also one of the WGA negotiators in that last strike) explains [slashdot.org], Netflix deliberately deliberately price dumped for years, telling investors that this was necessary to secure a monopoly on premium streaming, knowing fully well that it was not a viable long-term business model. The other major distributors followed the same business model to try and compete with Netflix and, as expected, failed because Netflix already had the fir

  • by HnT ( 306652 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:27PM (#64875747)

    You did not stop them when they broke their own promises for more profit, so now they will continue to squeeze until they have found the absolute breaking point. Until then it will just keep getting worse and worse.
    Just like Google cracking down on Adblock. The internet is slowly but surely becoming hostile towards the users and the platforms are throwing their weight around ruthlessly.

  • by locater16 ( 2326718 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:29PM (#64875749)
    Surely there's no mathematical limit to the rise over run that a given company can experience over a given time period, now make that damned price rise or we'll find someone who says they can!
  • I still do it but I don't use Netflix all that much. What they did was sort of clever they only did the crackdown on people who were heavy users presumably because they knew those folks wanted to keep Netflix enough that they would pay. Light users like myself Got a pass and we just have to occasionally put in a code. I have no doubt Netflix knows I'm sharing my password and are looking the other way because they figured out, rightly, that I will cancel it if they stop me from sharing it. It's just not a go
  • 2 months of binge watching a show equals to buying one season of the same show on a physical media you can watch anytime and nobody can take it away from you.

    Except nobody releases their shows on media any longer, for fears of piracy and loss of revenue, keeping audience hostage of their streaming services.

    Yes, mankind has become both lazy and stupid.

    • by Rinnon ( 1474161 )
      On the other hand, that is assuming that a person finds value in being able to re-watch a series. That might be true for some people, for some series, but I honestly can't recall the last time I re-watched a series or movie. I'm fine with renting access to them.
    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      Except nobody releases their shows on media any longer, for fears of piracy and loss of revenue...

      Nobody is avoiding physical media releases due to "fears of piracy". Shows can already be pirated off the original streaming platform, arguably easier since they are coming down in a codec and bitrate friendly to streaming devices and users with slower Internet connections compared to ripping a blu-ray disc. Not releasing on home video probably increases piracy. When you can't buy it to own people will do things to "insure" against them losing access if the original streaming platform ever decides to stop c

    • Re:Basic math (Score:4, Insightful)

      by cristiroma ( 606375 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @06:25PM (#64875887)

      You are not hostage. You have the choice to dump it.

      • Yeah, but he's "lazy and stupid". I'm so lazy I could never bother to sign up. On occasion there's a movie I might want to see, but I don't know how I'd verify it's on Netflix, and there are cheaper ways to rent one or two movies per month. But between work, exercising, books, games, music, going to the range, porn, food, and choice YouTube - I really don't have time for Netflix.

  • Growth (Score:4, Insightful)

    by redback ( 15527 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @05:38PM (#64875775)

    The problem is the constant need to show growth.

    Not every business can grow indefinitely. Not every business needs to.

    Can't we just have stable businesses that make a nice profit?

    • by Rinnon ( 1474161 )
      If only there was a way for this sudden outbreak of common sense to be transplanted where it is needed most.
    • by dvice ( 6309704 )

      Companies that don't grow will eventually lose their market share to companies that do grow. So answer to your question is no, with the current rules of the game.

    • nothing can grow indefinitely, specially not business, this always reminds me of the quote "Anyone who thinks that you can have infinite growth on a finite planet is either a madman or an economist."

  • by nehumanuscrede ( 624750 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @07:21PM (#64876011)

    It costs me nothing to cancel. . . .

    • It costs me nothing to cancel. . . .

      But will you... Based on the number of people who have said they would cancel their Netflix subscription with literally every Netflix story here on /. in the past decade I'm surprised that anyone at all still has Netflix on this site. Even better when you see repeat people saying they will cancel.

      They have the data, they are watching it. You're just a person, not significant in the scheme of the subscriber pool.

  • by antdude ( 79039 ) on Saturday October 19, 2024 @04:09AM (#64876729) Homepage Journal
  • by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Saturday October 19, 2024 @07:59AM (#64876989)
    ...by becoming more like the services they're replacing.

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