


Leaving Money on the Table (nber.org) 42
Abstract of a paper on NBER: There is much disagreement about the extent to which financial incentives motivate study participants. We elicit preferences for being paid for completing a survey, including a one-in-twenty chance of winning a $100 electronic gift card, a guaranteed electronic gift card with the same expected value, and an option to refuse payment. More than twice as many participants chose the lottery as chose the guaranteed payment. Given that most people are risk averse, this pattern suggests that factors beyond risk preferences -- such as hassle costs -- influenced their decision-making. Almost 20 percent of participants actively refused payment, demonstrating low monetary motivation. We find both systematic and unobserved heterogeneity in the characteristics of who turned down payment. The propensity to refuse payment is more than four times as large among individuals 50 and older compared to younger individuals, suggesting a tradeoff between financially motivating participants and obtaining a representative sample. Overall, our results suggest that modest electronic gift card payments violate key requirements of Vernon Smith's induced value theory.
Narcissists gonna Narcissist. (Score:2)
More than twice as many participants chose the lottery as chose the guaranteed payment.
Everyone wants to be seen as a “winner”, and will do a LOT in order to convey that.
The Instagram Generation doesn’t put in all that effort to bullshit the audience because society likes to see losers. Society doesn’t even want to acknowledge reality in social media anymore. Effort that comes with a reward is worth the effort to those who have shelves full of participation throphies.
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But humans also love gambling. "Risk averse" is just one part of the story.
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The idea that humans are risk averse is wrong. Yes, if they lose, that is emotionally painful and they take that into consideration. But humans also love gambling. "Risk averse" is just one part of the story.
Some smart people did an experiment and assessment a few years back to see why some people become gambling addicts, and others don't.
It turns out that almost winning gives addicts the same endorphin rush as winning does. Whereas with people such as myself, almost winning is worse than losing. So I've never been much for gambling beyond penny ante poker, which is more about sitting around with friends, and chatting while playing cards.
Re: Narcissists gonna Narcissist. (Score:3)
The dollar amount matters.
If you're given a choice of $2 vs a 1-in-100 chance of $100 (and attendant 99-in-100 chance of $0), you take lottery. Sure, it's half the expected value, but $2 is so close to $0 that it has negligible impact. Assuming you did the work before being given a choice, you may as well go for the chance at real money rather than the guaranteed pitance. Also, since there's no real risk, there's no risk avoidance.
Also, the more financially-secure (read: older) the less the pitance means.
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If the results are instantly deposited to my bank with no further action required I'll take the $2. The take-away I see is people don't have unlimited time and effort for the noise that gets offloaded onto plebs.
I'm not getting out of bed for a $5 gift card that only redeems through some phone app and/or requires creating an account.
Myself, I wouldn't bother with a $50 gift card that only redeems through some phone app and/or requires creating an account. I'd surely cave for $500. Or the five-dollar bill th
Meaningless (Score:2)
The guaranteed payout was less than the cost of a burger at a fast food joint.
Make it a guaranteed $20 payout and weâ(TM)d be talking.
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The guaranteed payout was $5.
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The guaranteed payout was $5, the expected value of a 1-in-20 chance of winning $100.
Unless I regularly went to wherever the gift card is for, I would be inclined to go for the $100 lottery over a guaranteed $5. The overhead to use a gift card factors into the expected return.
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The guaranteed payout was less than the cost of a burger at a fast food joint.
Make it a guaranteed $20 payout and weâ(TM)d be talking.
I suspect, since a $20 payout would require a chance to win $400, the results would be similar.
An interesting, but unavoidable issue (Score:2)
You're going to get people who will do it because they're bored / for the experience, and you're going to get people who do it because they want the reward. Very rarely will you get some individual motivated to do it purely to assist in the advancement of science.
Unless you're doing a study on financial motivation, selecting study participants based on those who are willing because you offered some kind of enticement isn't a big enough issue to worry about trying the likely-impossible task of working aroun
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At least for me there are other factors too.
I skimmed the paper and didn't see what questions they wanted to ask in the survey. For only $5 or the 1 in 20 chance of $100 I'd want to know what the questions are up front and what they will do with the answers and if they collect any personally identifiable information.
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Or you get most of the way through the survey, and then they ask for your cell number or your taxable income...
(and then just close the web page in disgust)
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^^^ THIS
Most of these "surveys" are scams. Or they have a pre-set agenda looking for confirmation. You can tell by the questions they ask, how they are asked, what they don't ask, and then the PII information they are desperate to collect.
I am fine participating in good surveys, but I haven't seen one for many years. Nothing is more frustrating than being required to answer a vague or broad question/statement with rigid set of answers that don't apply.
Reminds me of this famous joke survey question:
How di
Stats problem: Self selected population (Score:1)
Re: An interesting, but unavoidable issue (Score:2)
Did you just say people are not the Rational Agents, as Economics professors assume?
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They smell a rat, lol (Score:2)
The propensity to refuse payment is more than four times as large among individuals 50 and older compared to younger individuals
They've been around long enough to suspect some shenanigans ...
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The propensity to refuse payment is more than four times as large among individuals 50 and older compared to younger individuals
They've been around long enough to suspect some shenanigans ...
+5 insightful.
I wonder if they send a 1099-Misc with the money or winnings?
for non-Americans, if you win 25 dollars, or a guaranteed 5 dollars, that money is taxable. A 1099 is how it's kept track of. So right away, I suspect a trap.
Very unlikely now, but 25 dollars is not worth it to me to find out.
Newsflash: People don't understand expected value (Score:2)
Re: Newsflash: People don't understand expected va (Score:2)
And of the people who think they do...a large number actually don't understand Poisson statistics and how to handle small-number trials looking for rare events.
Keeps those of us who do employed cleaning up the messes of those who don't.
Re: Newsflash: People don't understand expected v (Score:2)
Who's cleaning up the Fedefal Reserve's messes since they set interest rates based on the idea that everyone is a rational, expected-value-maximizing calculating agent?
Electronic gift card (Score:2)
THERE's the problem.
I freaking HATE those things.
Give me actual physical cash, or at least an actual physical gift card/Visa card and the results will be different.
Re: Electronic gift card (Score:2)
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They are very easy to redeem. Go to the grocery store, spend money. It's fairly trivial.
'Gift cards' suck; news at 11. (Score:3)
The process would be more of a hassle; but I suspect you'd see at least some difference if you were using cash. There would still be the competing psychological effect of 'very mundane amount of money' vs. 'modest chance at enough to do something you hadn't planned to'; but $5 is actually worth $5; no paperwork, no tie to specific retailer, doesn't start charging you 25 cents a month after 3 months.
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Gift cards are the modern penny -they can be useful, but nobody wants them.
'chance of winning' (Score:3)
Re: My 2c (Score:2)
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Some people have jars with only a particular denomination. For example, quarters. In my case, I have an ammo can full of half dollars. I also have a bag of half dollars sitting in the garage somewhere. On my desk in my office, I have two different jars, one full of dimes, one full of nickels. I also have a drawer full of dollar coins.
It doesn't make much to get to $1000.
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Why are you using ChatGPT answer as proof of anything? Its fine as way to source other material that you can then confirm, but it also can make up complete nonsense and sound convincing.
For example I asked it the same question and it answers:
About 44 to 45 standard 16 oz mason jars would be needed to store $1,000 in a random assortment of US coins.
It also stated coin density studies used 32 ounce jars. When I asked what study it stated:
Great question! The estimate I gave earlier comes from a mix of anecdotal evidence, informal experiments, and practical case studies (not academic research per se, but still useful). Here's a quick rundown of the kinds of sources these coin volume/value figures are based on:
So that was deceptive because I would have assumed that there was actually someone that did a proper study, if that was actually the case. Is that actually true I don't know, unles
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Pennies made up about 57.5% produced.
Quarters made up about 29.9%.
Dimes made up about 9.9%.
Nickels made up about 2.0%.
Half Dollars made up about 0.7%.
Dollar coins made up about 0.04%.
Using that math it could have calculated a much larger nu
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A chance for a $100 gift card has an expected value of about $0.30, because (a) it might never be awarded at all (b) it might have too many restrictions to be useful, and (c,d,e,f) blah blah blah too much trouble.
I won a bicycle once in a raffle. Guess what? They never gave me the bicycle.
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Also a low value gift card is likely to cost you, if you actually spend it. What can you really buy for $5, you are much more likely to go out and buy something that you didn't really want and spend extra to get it.
Multiple problems (Score:2)
First, it's gambling
Second, it's gift cards
Third, it's a trivial amount of money
Few people know enough about statistics to accurately assess odds and some simply hate gambling
Gift cards suck and are associated with scams
Do it with meaningful amounts of cash
Re: Multiple problems (Score:2)
"Few people know enough about statistics to accurately assess odds and some simply hate gambling"
Why is our economic policy set assuming everyone is a rational calculating agent?
Anyone read this thing? (Score:2)
including a one-in-twenty chance of winning a $100 electronic gift card, a guaranteed electronic gift card with the same expected value
What does this mean? The same as what? People chose to maybe get a $100 prize as opposed to definitely getting a $100 prize? I don't get this.
Re: Anyone read this thing? (Score:2)
Why don't you always by those "buy five, get one free" deals at the supermarket like economists assume you should?
Pass (Score:2)