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In Paris, Terrorists Kill 2 More, Take At Least 7 Hostages 490

As reported by The Daily Beast, news on the ongoing terror attack (or attacks) in Paris. Chérif and Saïd Kouachi, who are accused of slaughtering 12 in an attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine, have been cornered by hundreds of security officials close to Charles de Gaulle Airport, north of Paris. Officials say they believe the heavily armed brothers are holding one hostage. Twenty miles south, in the east of the city, at least one gunman is believed to have taken six hostages at a Jewish store. Police suspect that the third gunman is the same man who shot and killed a policewoman on Thursday morning before escaping in a bulletproof vest. Update: 01/09 17:44 GMT by T : And now all three of the gunmen involved in today's hostage taking are dead. Watch this space for updates. Update: 01/09 17:15 GMT by T : CNN's story features a stream of updates (and an autoplaying video ad to beware), as does The Telegraph. Latest news is that brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi have been killed by police, but it's unclear whether the same is true of the third hostage-taker.
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In Paris, Terrorists Kill 2 More, Take At Least 7 Hostages

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    The moderate Muslims need to more loudly denouce this shit.

    Or the assumption will be they agree with the acts of barbarity done in the name of their god.

    • by Yunzil ( 181064 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @12:35PM (#48775471) Homepage

      They denounce it all the time. For some reason it almost never gets reported in the press.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        They denounce it all the time. For some reason it almost never gets reported in the press.


        Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam []

        Violence and murder in response to insults and slights against Islam is widely and strongly supported by Muslims.


      • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @01:03PM (#48775769) Homepage

        It's usually half-assed []. Like here's our local muslim leader

        The chairman of the Muslim community in Trondheim deplore terrorism in Paris, but calls while stricter rules for what the media can publish.
        Chilwan believes it is asking for trouble when the media continues to publish images that Charlie Hebdo does.
        - This has happened before in Denmark. We know that the consequences are dramatic. Why you should always pour fuel on the fire, ask Chilwan.
        Chilwan calls therefore stricter rules in the media for what can be published.
        - To adopt a law for this is too strong. But I think the ethical rules of the press must be defined in a better manner, where one agrees some ethical and moral values so that no one feels offended. It would be better for society, says Chilwan.

        Lots of victim-blaming for provoking muslims, clear references that terror should be expected, calls for self-censorship and so on. Fuck him. Fuck all muslims that think like him. And they're not extremists and outcasts in the muslim comunity, they're leaders of mainstream organizations. Journalists and most of society just refuses to acknowledge that the "moderate" muslims are actually fringe radicals that don't have much popular support.

      • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @01:23PM (#48775953) Homepage

        Norway's Christians didn't have to apologise for Anders Breivik, and it's the same for Muslims now.

        That's comparing apples and oranges, Breivik for the most part killed Norwegian Christians belonging to a political youth party that he felt was "selling out" the country. Of the list of his 77 victims there's 11 with names I'd generally consider foreign leaving 66 that probably were ethnically Norwegian, from statistics around 80% would be nominally Christians. I say nominally because many belong to the state church without being very religious at all, but they wouldn't have any other religious affiliation. His action was more like the Muslim-on-Muslim slaughter in Pakistan, killing our own "fallen" over ideology.

        • by meta-monkey ( 321000 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @04:04PM (#48777497) Journal

          Breivik was also arrested and prosecuted by Norwegian Christians, and anyone who would express sympathy or support for him would be denounced and shunned.

          Of course there are crazies in the western world as well. Christians who bomb abortion clinics. But these people are a much, much smaller percentage of the populace, and the vast, vast majority of the populace not only condemns their actions, but would speak out against anybody advocating for such violence, and would report to the authorities anyone they suspected of planning violence. And then western (amongst them Christian) authorities would arrest and prosecute them and western (amongst them Christian) juries would convict them.

          Islamic terrorism must be stopped. But we in the west can't do it. We're not in the mosques in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and wherever else the terrorists are indoctrinated and radicalized. We're not the terrorists' neighbors and family members. But the muslims who say "we don't support this!" are. It's going on in your mosques, it's going on in your families and your neighborhoods. It's not enough to say "we don't support it." You have to have a collective political will to ferret it out and put a stop to it.

          If somebody at my church were inciting people to violence, ya know what I'd do? I'd report it. And the media would shine a big light on the crazy things coming out of that church and people would talk about how awful what they were saying is, and if you were a member of that church people would think you were crazy and push you out of their lives. And if I thought somebody in my community was planning violence, you know what I'd do? I'd call the cops. They'd investigate and arrest the guy for attempted whatever. And we'd splash him on the news and everybody would say how great it was that I turned him in and what a great job the cops did stopping this guy. Because that's our culture.

          It isn't enough for the peaceful muslims to say "we don't support this." They need to work to change their culture to actively stop it.

    • by Trip Ericson ( 864747 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @01:13PM (#48775871) Homepage

      You mean like this? []

    • by dywolf ( 2673597 ) []

      For some reason after a Christian zealot beheaded his roommate in Stillwater, I never heard my pastor denouce that kind of violence perpeuated in Christianity's name.

      For some reason every time a Christian kills someone, not only do we not hear christians denouncing it, but we also never hear bigots like demanding that do so.

  • "Watch this space for updates."

    If only there were places on the web one could go to watch live streaming coverage of event such as this, or liveblogs. Or a service where small messages containing updates could be broadcast to other users, searchable by special keywords called "hashtags"....

  • by chthon ( 580889 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @12:41PM (#48775531) Homepage Journal

    Both brothers are dead and their hostage is freed

    • by T.E.D. ( 34228 )
      From what I'm gathering, it had a rather strong resemblance to the end of the Blues Brothers.
  • They're dead, Tim (Score:5, Informative)

    by MiniMike ( 234881 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @12:45PM (#48775581)

    Reported a few minutes ago, all three terrorists are dead. []

    • by Pieroxy ( 222434 )

      It is over. They launched an assault on both sites at once, killed all the terrorists and saved all the hostages. Two cops lightly injured, one more seriously. Given the circumstances, I'd say it's a pretty good job.

  • Those guys have knowledge we needed. Why were they not taken out with some kind of sleep darts instead of lead bullets? Now we'll never know what we could have learned.

    Not that they'd know all that much, if dumb enough to kill over a stupid cartoon.

    • Seems too risky. Non-lethal weapons aren't always reliable in these types of situations. []

      If you wanted to hit someone with a "sleep dart" over 100 yards away, such a weapon would most certainly be no different than a bullet at closer range, making it potentially lethal anyways.

      Not to mention that these guys were known to be heavily-armed, wore body armor, and had hostages. Better to take them out quickly than risk any more lives.

    • by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @01:41PM (#48776187)

      Why were they not taken out with some kind of sleep darts instead of lead bullets?

      Because "sleep darts" don't work in real life like they do in bad movies. These guys are holding hostages at gunpoint and swearing they're going to go down shooting. The cops didn't want another Sidney, where the crazy Islamist wackadoo had time (it only takes a moment, right?) to kill a hostage before being incapacitated.

    • I know! Aren't all cops anesthesiologists who know the exact amount of non-existent anesthetic to administer through their perfectly placed tranq darts such that it will instantly send the bad guys into sleepytimeland without killing them or merely making them drowsy yet obviously threatened and desperate to take action before they're unconscious?

    • Ok, so you're about to enter the room against 2 dudes that spent a while in Africa getting trained by battle hardened terrorists. They have body armor and 7.62×39mm rounds that easily pierce most body armor on the planet. Here's your dart gun... GO!

  • Swift Karma (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tolkienite ( 3922061 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @12:57PM (#48775695)
    I'm glad karma took the quick route for once. For islamic fundamentalists to die in a kosher store and in a printing press after attacking a magazine. Can't beat that.
    • I'm with you on the printing press. Kosher food rules are too close to halal food rules, though. If I'd been writing it, the lone loser would've landed in a (pork) barbecue pit, or sprawled under the spilled contents of an overturned hot-dog cart.

    • Brilliant observation.
  • As usual here, by the time they get a story up on the site; the news is over/changed/useless. Hostage takers are already dead. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Send a message to their 7th-century brethren:

    "You do this, you rot in hell for all eternity."

    Wanna be a murderous religious whack job? We'll use that against you.

    Maybe - just maybe - doing things like that will drag Islam into the 21st century.

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @02:07PM (#48776475)

    The LEAST I now expect is for the relevant Muslim leaders to condemn that shit. To declare a fatwa that such behavior is un-Islam and that it is against Islam teachings.

    Anything less is at the very least acceptance if not support for this behavior. And that should be enough to discuss forbidding a cult that accepts or supports what we in the western world consider the foundation of being able to live together.

    And when we're done with that, let's take a closer look at that Westboro Baptist Church and whether we can get rid of those loonies too while we're at it.

  • Know for years (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Lawrence_Bird ( 67278 ) on Friday January 09, 2015 @02:22PM (#48776645) Homepage

    isn't it hilarious how MI-5 says these attacks show why they need even more super powers... yet forget the fact they had these guys on watch lists for years. I mean, even Santa checks the list twice, right?

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