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Oakland To Launch One of the Largest UBI Programs In the US, Giving Some Low-Income Residents $500 a Month With No Strings Attached 331

RoccamOccam shares a report from The New York Post: Some low-income families of color in Oakland will soon receive $500 a month in no-strings-attached cash as part of a privately funded program, Mayor Libby Schaaf said in a Tuesday announcement. The Oakland Resilient Families program has raised nearly $7 million dollars to help families of color with at least one minor child making less than $30,000 a year. Under the plan, participants will be randomly selected, and white people -- who earn three times as much as blacks on average in the city -- are not eligible. "We have designed this demonstration project to add to the body of evidence, and to begin this relentless campaign to adopt a guaranteed income federally," Schaaf said. The Oakland project is one of the largest in the US so far, targeting up to 600 families. The project is reminiscent of Andrew Yang's "freedom dividend" -- a universal basic income program promoted by the tech entrepreneur while running for president in 2018. The plan involved distributing funds to citizens via a tax on the "big four" tech companies.
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Oakland To Launch One of the Largest UBI Programs In the US, Giving Some Low-Income Residents $500 a Month With No Strings Attac

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  • Ensuring Equality? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Aoverify ( 566411 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:36PM (#61199842) Homepage

    By excluding whites because of their skin color? Way to go Oakland!

    • by quenda ( 644621 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:51PM (#61199870)

      How is such a racist policy even legal ?

      They are means-testing, so explicitly excluding poor whites based on skin colour? "You are white so you should be rich"?
      What next? Exempt convicted white criminals from prison time, because other whites commit less crime? Not just racist, it is bonkers.

      How do they even determine who is white? Seems it is only the "full-bloods" excluded, not all people with white ancestry, which is taking them down a very dark road of policing racial purity.

      • by kenh ( 9056 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:58PM (#61199884) Homepage Journal

        What happens in bi-racial families, or families where the parents are white, but their child is not (adopted)?

        Systemic Racisim, on display, in Oakland

      • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:48PM (#61200006)

        How is such a racist policy even legal ?

        It is privately funded. But the city is involved in running it. So the legality is ambiguous.

        Expect it to be challenged in the courts.

        By making the project openly racist, they are alienating many voters and making UBI look like part of the wacky-left agenda.

        • "It is privately funded."
          Not sure if you're serious or not?

          By that statement, you're suggesting that if someone set up, say, a private fund explicitly for whites only, it wouldn't be challenged as racist?

          Pretty sure a number of scholarship programs are routinely attacked for not giving enough to "diverse" (code word check: non white) recipients.

      • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @12:43AM (#61200090)
        I'm sure they just assumed white people wouldn't want it. Since they're always saying it's a bad idea.
        • by quenda ( 644621 )

          I'm sure they just assumed white people wouldn't want it. Since they're always saying it's a bad idea.

          That's kind of racist. Have you no shame?

        • I didn't think the "stimulus" payments in the form they took were a good idea.

          I took my family's anyway.

          We will have to pay the taxes that will fund them, and the higher prices that will result. We have no choice in that.

          But I will still advocate for fiscal responsibility every day, and twice on Sunday.

          It is not hypocrisy when you are robbed, but then, when offered back some part of what was stolen from you, you accept it.

          It *is* hypocrisy when you try rob, enslave and murder others who aren't like you, us

      • by Vintermann ( 400722 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @03:24AM (#61200354) Homepage

        And they have the gall to call it a test of universal basic income.

        The whole point of UBI is that it's universal. Not only on race (you'd think that would be uncontroversial) but on wealth and income too.

        The only thing this is testing about UBI, is how divide and conquer strategies might be employed to stop UBI from happening.

        • by quenda ( 644621 )

          The only thing this is testing about UBI, is how divide and conquer strategies might be employed to stop UBI from happening.

          That makes sense. Could there be people involved in this who actually want to sabotage the idea of UBI? I don't see the motive, but this would be a good way to go about it.

        • And they have the gall to call it a test of universal basic income.

          Where do they call it that?

      • It isn't. I fully expect a class-action lawsuit to hit at some point in the near future. Then, when the 'white' families get more money out of the settlement than they ever would have from the program itself, for that to be used as evidence of 'racism in our legal system'.
    • by kenh ( 9056 )

      Next they'll exclude Asian students from advanced classes because they are too smart.

      I didn't think I could think any less of Oakland, then they went and came up with this racist non-UBI program.

      Imagine another city implementing the same program, but excluding blacks - that would be racist, why isn't this racist?

      Answer: It IS racist!

      • by inhuman_4 ( 1294516 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:21PM (#61199950)

        Next they'll exclude Asian students from advanced classes because they are too smart.

        They already do. There was a huge case about it last year: [wikipedia.org]

        Arcidiacono suggested that the applicant's race plays a significant role in admissions decisions. According to his testimony, if an Asian-American applicant with certain characteristics (like scores, GPAs, and extracurricular activities, family background) would result in a 25% statistical likelihood of admission, the same applicant, if white, will have a 36% likelihood of admission. A Hispanic and black applicant with the same characteristics will have a 77% and 95% predicted chance of admission, respectively.

        Harvard itself found a statistically significant penalty against Asian-American applicants in an internal investigation in 2013, but had never made the findings public or acted on them. Plaintiffs and commentators have compared the treatment of Asians with the Jewish quota in place in the early 20th century, which used the allegedly “deficient” personalities of immigrant Jews as the reason for excluding non-legacy Jews in elite universities.

    • by quenda ( 644621 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:49PM (#61200012)

      Is there a typo here?
        "white people -- who earn three times as much as blacks on average in the city".

      How is that possible? As a foreigner, this is hard for me to believe.
        The median income for white households in the US is "only" about 50% higher than blacks (And Asian about double), partly due to there more commonly being two breadwinners.

      But how does Oakland get 200% more? That is a massive difference form the national data. I see on the map it is prime Bay-area real estate, so having high-income Whites is no surprise. But the "three times" says it is simultaneously having poorer than average blacks. How can that be?

          I'd have thought San Francisco land prices and rents would be pushing all poor people out to more distant and cheaper areas, but is this somehow only affecting whites and leaving poor blacks on prime land? Can anybody enlighten this confused foreigner?

      • Oakland is far from homogenous.

        Some areas, like the Macarthur District, are crime-infested SHs.

        Other areas are inhabited by prosperous commuters who take the trans-bay BART to work in SF.

        Figuring out which of these areas are black and which are white is left as an exercise for the reader.

        • by quenda ( 644621 )

          But how does this happen?
          I get that you have racial segregation, but why are the black areas not being gentrified too?
          Why the polarisation within one district?

          • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @03:21AM (#61200350)

            Gentrification is happening. In the 1980s, Oakland was a "chocolate city" (majority African-American). Today, it is about 25% A-A.

            But gentrification tends to spread outward from where it already exists rather than evenly throughout the city.

            As an area gentrifies, rents rise, low-income people are squeezed out, and crime falls. This causes the area to gentrify further.

            This is happening adjacent to Piedmont and the region close to Emeryville and downtown BART stations.

            It is happening less (so far) in Macarthur, but even there, rents are rising.

            • by quenda ( 644621 )

              None of this explains the extreme racial polarisation in Oakland. Much more than the state or national average.

              Maybe this is obvious to Americans, but can you explain for us please? Why are there no middle-class black people moving in?

              There must have once been poor white people in Oakland, so how is it that poor whites have left, while poor blacks have increased?
              In growing cities in other developed counties, inner suburbs are highly desirable and therefore expensive. Old houses get bulldozed and replac

              • Maybe Americans think that is just how big cities are, in which case you should travel more.

                They would not have to travel far. A 10-minute drive across the Bay Bridge is the city of San Francisco, which has no poor areas. A 40-minute drive to the south is the city of San Jose, which has more people than either Oakland or SF and also has no poor areas.

      • by jeff4747 ( 256583 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @12:54PM (#61201972)

        Disclaimer: This is going to be talking in broad generalizations. In reality, there are poor parts of each city, but addressing all the nuance is way too long for a Slashdot post.

        But how does Oakland get 200% more?

        We've got a long history of racial segregation. White people lived in San Francisco, and Redlining meant blacks couldn't buy houses there. The result is Oakland was much, much poorer than San Francisco. The low-wage workers for San Francisco would commute from Oakland, or work a low-wage job in Oakland.

        Time passes. San Francisco real estate gets more and more expensive, creating more and more capital for the whites. Oakland's real estate doesn't go up nearly as fast, because Redlining still exists and loans are very hard to get. The difference in capital means the mostly-white San Franciscans can make more money via tapping into that capital (eg. start a business, pay for kids to go to college, buy a rental property in Oakland using a loan on their SF house, etc).

        In addition, higher property values mean higher tax receipts. So San Francisco schools were much, much better funded than Oakland schools. The kids of the San Franciscans get better educations, and thus more income. Which then leads to more wealth, which creates more available capital, which then leads to more wealth.

        Some more time passes, and we create the "War on Drugs" because prohibition's ending and some powerful people need an excuse to maintain power. Police do a pretty good job of limiting major drug operations in San Francisco, but the Oakland PD is funded by Oakland. Less money -> less enforcement -> more drugs. Essentially Oakland becomes the wholesaler for the San Francisco's drug dealers.

        Some more time passes, and we ramp up the War on Drugs, because you're Nixon and it's a great way to "other" the people who won't vote for you. Now Oakland's PD is supplemented with state and federal money, and there's large crackdowns on the drug trade there. But the police don't back off when they catch a kingpin, like they did in wealthier cities because that sweet, sweet state and federal cash keeps coming in for the police. That means a lot of stupid teenager stuff that does not get caught in San Francisco does get caught in Oakland. Eg. dumb teen gets in a fight in SF, it's over and broken up before police arrive, so nothing happens on the legal front. Dumb teen gets in a fight in Oakland, greater police presence means police arrive before it's broken up and arrest the dumb teen.

        Once the kid is caught, we have to prove how "tough on crime" we are, so the kid gets the book thrown at them. Gets kicked out of high school and has to serve some token sentence for a misdemeanor. Doesn't have a HS degree and has a record, so it's much harder to get a good job. SF teen wasn't caught, got his HS degree, and went off to college with a story about how he was dumb once.

        Oakland former-teen can't make ends meet at minimum wage, part time job, and that's all the work he can get. So he starts doing small deliveries for a drug dealer to get by. Gets caught 'cause the police are still all over Oakland, gets a worse record, which makes it even harder to get a legal job. Since he still has to eat and nobody else will hire him, he has to go back to working for dealers. Gets caught 'cause the police are still all over Oakland, and repeat. Fox News laments he's an absent father, pretending that there was no difference in how the government handled these two teens and it's all the Oakland kid's fault.

        Yet more time passes. San Francisco starts approaching the utterly unaffordable housing costs that it experiences today. That causes some of the San Franciscans to look for a cheaper place to live. And hey, Oakland's cheap thanks to 4 generations or so of being left behind. So they start buying houses in areas of Oakland. Ta-da! Gentrification. Oh, they also start private schools for their kids, or pressure the city council to change school fundin

    • It seems utterly absurd to add this blatantly racist exception. Indeed, I doubt its legality.
      If the aim is to help people who are poor, why does it matter what colour they are? USA has lots of very poor white people too, indeed, some of said white folks are staggeringly poor.

      It amazes me, as a non-American (Australian, actually, and yes, I know we have our own problems), that such an approach is even considered. Obviously, if poor people are overwhelmingly black, then it's going to help mainly black people.

  • by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:38PM (#61199848) Homepage Journal

    to help families of color with at least one minor child making less than $30,000 a year.

    What if the minor child makes more than $30000, but the parents don't?

  • Welfare (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:53PM (#61199872)

    Giving only some people $500 a month isn't UBI, it's welfare. The first word of UBI is *universal*

    That being said, I'm all for replacing *all* government aid programs with simple cash remittances. Pour all the money wasted managing the programs back into the programs.

    • There's only $7 million in the kitty. They will run out of Other People's Money the first day.
    • Re:Welfare (Score:5, Informative)

      by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:21PM (#61199952) Journal

      $500 a month also isn't basic income in Oakland, it's supplemental income. If that's all you have in Oakland, you're homeless.

    • by narcc ( 412956 )

      Yes, "universal". Therefore, unless everyone in the universe is included, this experiment means nothing! There is absolutely no way that we could possibly learn anything by running this kind of experiment on a carefully selected population! /s

      Seriously, have none of the self-taught "science" experts on Slashdot learned about experimental methods or statistics?

      • OK mr statistics expert. Tell us how cash payments targeted on race, income AND social situation is a good way to test the effects of a UBI policy whose whole point is that it's not targeted on any of those categories.

        It looks to me that the people who paid for this, are more interested in how UBI can be undermined by divide and conquer tactics.

    • I'm honestly in the 'I don't know' if UBI will work camp.

      However, there are a lot of attempts throughout the world to 'prove' UBI works. We had one in Canada a few years back as well. I personally don't think any of these even begin to touch on the impact of UBI. Mainly because they've all basically operated on a small limited scope to try and show that poor people will use it effectively and it improves their lives.

      That to me isn't even part of the important questions. Let's assume the best possible UBI tr

  • by kenh ( 9056 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:56PM (#61199878) Homepage Journal

    This is what systemic racism looks like.

    They exclude poor white families that would otherwise meet the criteria of the program, except for their skin color.

    Don't kid yourself, this is racism, plain and simple.

    Why shouldn't a white family with at least one minor child and annual income under $30,000 be eligible for this program?

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Well no, that would be overt racism. Systemic racism is more subtle.

      It would be systemic if the programme were open to white people, but due to the way it was structured it was very difficult for white people to apply or be accepted. Like maybe it required a form of ID that few white people had, or the application forms were only available in Spanish.

  • Europa Europa (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:06PM (#61199912)

    Has a scene somewhere in the middle where the main character, a Jewish orphan born in Germany but fighting for the Soviet Army, defects back to Germany and is put through basic training and n@zi indoctrination.

    An SS man shows up to give the recruits a lesson on how to identify The Jew. He rummages through his bag of phrenology equipment, produces an absurd looking set if calipers, measures the cranium and nose of our nervous protagonist, and pronounces him a fine specimen of the Master Race.

    This scene always pops to my mind when I read about some clearly and transparently racist project undertaken by lefties in the service of "antiracism."

  • Poor white families are excluded from the boon.

  • by stikves ( 127823 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:11PM (#61199924) Homepage

    "Universal Basic Income" is the name, not "arbitrarily restricted private welfare".

    To iterate:
    Universal = Every member of the society, including poor and rich are eligible
    Basic = Should cover basic needs, i.e.: above poverty levels.
    Income = self explanatory

    The program is neither Universal nor Basic. It only covers a small portion of the population with restrictions based on race of all things. It is also not enough to cover basic needs, so that people can have sustenance on only this program.

    It might be a good program, or not. I don't know. But I know it is definitely not UBI.

    • by niftydude ( 1745144 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:53PM (#61200018)
      You are 100% correct. And yet they claim "We have designed this demonstration project to add to the body of evidence".

      This is not a study of UBI by any stretch of the imagination. It is essentially just a vote buying exercise.
    • by narcc ( 412956 )

      You can see no reason why you'd want to run this kind of experiment with a smaller amount on a very specific population?

      I'm glad you don't do science.

      • I hope you don't do science. Poorly designed experiments such as this one add nothing but junk data to the body of knowledge that people then need to actively ignore in order to make quality conclusions.
        • by narcc ( 412956 )

          Explain how it's poorly designed.

          Oh, wait, you can't.

          • by stikves ( 127823 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @01:51AM (#61200242) Homepage

            You don't test the original hypothesis.

            For example, the UBI theorizes giving money without any restrictions will help avoid "welfare cliffs". i.e.: you earn too much to lose benefits, so you stop working to avoid essentially 100% tax.

            Here the same exact thing happens. If you earn more than a certain amount, you lose the $500 monthly benefit. If you make $30,000 + $1, you lose $6,000 (or probably more depending on how this is taxed).

            That is not UBI, this is just another welfare. And calling this UBI is actually a disservice to those who want a proper UBI implemented.

  • UBI = Universal Black Income, at least in the city of Oakland.

    The whole idea of UBI was to distribute funds equally, not to this group or that group at the exclusion of others. This is Jim Crow laws turned on its head. How is this not racist when poor white families are specifically excluded?

    I used to love visiting California. This is just one more reason that I'll never set foot in that leftist cesspool ever again.

  • by BobC ( 101861 ) on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:56PM (#61200024)

    All the worst aspects of American history are present in the demographics of poverty. We can talk all we want about treaties and tribal land restoration, or slave reparations and civil rights, and still not resolve a damned thing. Let's start with replacing inefficient and ineffective aid programs with direct funding and choice, literally give folks the freedom to choose where each individual person needs that money to go to produce the most needed benefits.

    Do UBI across the board, at all levels, including billionaires. But count it as normal income, to be taxed accordingly. Those in poverty will not be taxed until they earn income, at which point I suspect paying taxes will be seen as a social good, to give the next person that funding and opportunity.

    That's the dream. But we need data to see if it is both realistic and achievable. So, no matter where you fall on the spectrum of approval or reproach, you must agree that UBI experiments must at least be attempted, if only, at least at first, to gain data.

  • I always thought that the expression "no strings attached" meant that whatever accompanied it and was being talked about had no preconditions.

    But there is quite plainly a precondition, mentioned right there in the same sentence. "Low income".

    Have I always just had a misunderstanding on the use of this phrase, or is it just being used incorrectly here?

    • by tgeek ( 941867 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @01:34AM (#61200220)
      Yes, I respectfully disagree with your understanding of "no strings attached". I've always interpreted that as having no POST-conditions.

      For example: I have an extra 5 bucks in my pocket and decide I'm going to give it to a homeless person "no strings attached". The pre-condition is the person is homeless -- I'm certainly not giving my 5 bucks to a well-dressed passerby on the street carrying a leather briefcase. But when I find a homeless person and hand him the 5 bucks I do NOT say something like "Don't buy cigarettes with this" or "Go get yourself a hot meal" - that is "no strings attached" - the person is free to do whatever they want with the 5 bucks.
  • Actually at least 3 strings. PoC. brat. low income. Funny definition of no strings.

    • by strings they mean control of how you spend. Welfare programs often limit and control that you spend it on basic stuff like food and bills. This will be just cash handouts, so you can as well spend it on booze or drugs.

    • yeh thye should be giving those millions to face book or zuck im sure he will help millions more.
      • A great deal of the money _will_ be going to cigarettes and scratch tickets.

        • Unfortunately society will always have losers and winners and aresholes. Of course. alot will be wasted, but a lot of innocent kids will be helped a bit. The money spent here is far cheaper than more jails.
  • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @12:51AM (#61200118)
    It feels like Oakland is just trolling Tucker Carlson at this point.
    • It feels like Oakland is just trolling Tucker Carlson at this point.

      Well, that is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself.

  • UBI is in no way shape or form sustainable and never will be. I don't know why anyone is wasting their time and taxpayer money on these pointless 'experiments'.
    Spend that money on better education, or at least something to encourage better job opportunities for people.

    Give someone a fish, they eat for a day.
    Teach someone to fish, they eat for for a lifetime

    • by PolygamousRanchKid ( 1290638 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @01:39AM (#61200232)

      Give someone a fish, they eat for a day. Teach someone to fish, they eat for for a lifetime

      Or, even better:

      Build someone a fire, they are warm for a night.

      Set someone on fire, they are warm for the rest of their life.

    • Give someone a fish, they eat for a day.
      Teach someone to fish, they eat for for a lifetime

      I'd love for you to teach me how to fish, but I don't have the time working multiple dead end minimum wage jobs just to be able to make rent.

      Maybe you privileged people can tell me your secret?

  • Most of western Europe and Au and Nz give far more to low income earners in a week....
  • by VAElynx ( 2001046 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @02:25AM (#61200292)
    Because of course, the political situation in the US isn't polarized enough, and the best thing to do here is to blatantly make it even more obvious that the current brand of US "leftist" is a) racist and b) it completely and utterly ditched any pre-Clinton policy of concerning themselves with workers and the unaffluent.

    Conditional welfare is almost never a good idea, because of overhead, because of producing perverse incentives, and because of increasing tensions between people who get it, and people in just as shit circumstances that the government doesn't give anything to. And this is a textbook example.
  • Almost 50 cents of every dollar spent on welfare is lost to administrative costs. The whole point of UBI is that its universal so the paperwork and administrative costs are minimal. The cost savings help to cover paying the UBI out to richer folks but the advantage is just like SS none oppose it as all get it. Once you start doing stupid experiments like means testing and race testing is stupid and against the very point off UBI.
  • This program is fully implemented and I'm a black person making $31k/year, living in Oakland, and raising a child. Should I go to my boss and demand a $1001/year pay cut?
  • ...you are not wrong here.

    I'm just pointing out one single fact that may make your argument rather moot.

    "as part of a privately funded program"

    If a private individual choose to provide funding for a program like this, could they not also dictate their specific funding rules? Certainly seems that way. In other words the only "racist" here, is the one paying for all this.

    Yes, a rather horrible decision, but sadly it's probably a perfectly legal one.

  • This slashdot community is more fucking poisonous than the comment section on YouTube.

  • by FeelGood314 ( 2516288 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:40AM (#61200730)
    Was the tunnel from Oakland to Alameda in 2004. The police on the Alameda side regularly would harassed a black coworker of mine so much that he pretty much had to change work locations. He would have to prove he had a good reason to be coming to the island and they often wouldn't believe he worked as a programmer or had a degree. That is the level of open racism in some parts of the USA. Worse than Georgia where bank tellers will ignore black students trying to open a bank account (Atlanta when I lived there in 1991). Maybe it's better now but being black in the USA was not being minorly disadvantaged. In places being black means being openly harassed and denied services.
  • Its not UBI unless it is (U)niversal. And its not an actual study unless there is some means to collect the funds paid from the recipients and then re-distributed. Money is not free.

    Yes, an increase in welfare to needy individuals does help them. There, study done. For the record, I'm totally for helping those in need ... but doing it under the guise of pushing a terrible idea like UBI is just a politician trying to buy your votes with your neighbor's money.

  • What about white folks making 30K? Or is it only for non-caucasians?
  • So it's not Universal Basic Income then.

  • by djp2204 ( 713741 ) on Friday March 26, 2021 @09:48AM (#61201224)

    Black people canâ(TM)t succeed because of a institutional racism.

    Black people who do succeed (Herman Cain, Ben Carson) are part of the racist culture of white supremacy.

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